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Bingowings said:

It might be nice to see a revival and enhancement of the Star Destroyer gunner room from ANH in the space battle (where the officers contemplate shooting down the escape pod).

It could be used for showing Star Destroyers targeting fighter craft as the gun doesn't look big enough to do much damage to the capital ships.

 Yes! This would be great! Mock up anyone? When is Angel getting back?

adywan said:

doubleofive said:

oh_riginal said:

Is it just me, or does Luke's saber in the 2nd frame look too short, too skinny, and too bent?

No need to get bent out of shape, Luke!

Looks to me like every frame Ady posted has something wrong with it's lightsaber rotoscoping (no new ESBR screens indeed!).  Something we'll only see if we go through it frame by frame, but you know some of us will.

They're taken from my colour corrected AVCHD so still no new ESB:R shots :)

So far I've only finished the first lightsaber duel scene as far as rotoscoping the sabers goes.

Oh and to answer a previous question you asked 005 ( i think it was in the EPIV thread but couldn't find it today) the trade federation droids will talk in my PT:R trilogy and they won't be shut down in ROTS

 

Woah. This is interesting news! You probably won't divulge, but why won't they shut down? They are not in the OT:R....right?

mrbenja0618 said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I'm curious if there is anyone who can do a OT style Yoda voice with PT dialouge? That would be great! :D

 

I think that would be interesting.. Of course, granted it was the exact same dialogue an in sync with the on screen character.

 Right exactly. So you would still have the crappy line "Not if ever to say anything to say about it I have never not!"  j/k  ;)

I'm curious if there is anyone who can do a OT style Yoda voice with PT dialouge? That would be great! :D

ben_danger,

Nice videos!

I like your use of the opening/establishing shot...I noticed that you did the same on the last version...I don't remember why I didn't steal that idea! ;)

The colors are cool...yeah, I thought of LOTR too...kind of dream like...

Enjoyed the different pieces of music you used...especially when the monsters started attacking.

Why did you flip the "I have a bad feeling about this." shot? It should be fine the way it was as far as screen direction is concerned.

Godzilla...? Nice! ;)

And the lightsabers are cool...not sure how I feel about only blue but it's still fun to see!

Favorite edit in the saber video: I like using just the line "You call this a diplamatic solution?"...no response from Padme works much better.

Overall great stuff!

mrbenja0618 said:

SSWR:

I tried to search for the video... Did someone take it down?

 Sorry for the confusion. I was giving an example of what some one might say about a future edit. :-}

mrbenja0618 said:

Any takers yet? C'mon guys. Should we take this request to other boards?

 That's actually a great idea. I'm not sure which boards but I am sure there has to be some aspiring voices actors out there who would jump at a chance to put something like this on their resume. Ex: "Yeah, did you ever download AOTC:Revisted? I performed Jango Fetts new voice!"  ;)

RoccondilRinon said:

Brilliant work, SSWR. I'd reduce Padme's dialogue even further — none of the truly deeply stuff, it was badly delivered and I think just "I love you" does fine.

I missed Mace's "This party's over", but I think (short of inserting a "motherfucker" after it :-p) cutting it was the right decision.

I have to say, my favourite part was the music — you clearly know what you're doing, the main theme seems to have become Anakin's theme, and it and the fanfare theme is woefully underused in the PT.

 Thanks for the feedback!

I'll look at cutting the rest of Padmes dialogue. I'm not sure...I understand what you're saying...but something else I try to consider is the pacing of the edit...if I cut too much dialogue these scenes fly by so quickly and no one can follow it. :D

"This party's over." Pretty much always got on my nerves...I can see how some might feel that it's kind of OT sounding...but I just don't like Sam's delivery.

I agree on the music...why didn't Johny Williams use more of the original themes?

kenobeat, thanks for the links! I don't personally plan on using video game cut scenes for an edit...but for an animatic...that's not a terrible idea... :D

And dialogue....I like the idea...but, IMHO, that didn't sound much like Sam Jackson...of course, if I ever did a full blown edit I would replace Sams line with another voice actor entirely! ;)

ben_danger said:

hey SSWR!

 

great video, some fantastic bits there. i especially liked the ROTJ style entrance there too. some of the edits worked so well and subtley that i had to watch some of AOTC to figure them out! i like the idea of mace jumping from the crowd. i have barely begun my version by comparison, so i think i may have to borrow a few small elements.;)

Thanks man! Yes, feel free to use any ideas!

ben_danger said:

the only thing i was unsure of was having the goons enter whilst anakin and padme kiss. i think that scene of them needs to be kept seperate from the arena in order to still allow for the grand opening in contrast. perhaps they could enter first?

I see what you're saying. It was just an idea...not sure if it worked. I liked the idea of cutting back and forth to their future doom.

You might also notice they don't actually kiss. ;)

ben_danger said:

the jedi starfighters were neat, it must have taken ages! i think though ideally we would see hints of mysterious robed characters amongst a multi-racial crowd, as if the jedi were there all along, mace's head would throw off his cloak and jump in, and the surprise elemnt of 'oh, they were jedi' would be there perhaps?

It did take a while to put that shot together! :D

I like your idea of seeing the robed figures....hmmm...if I could figure out how to pull that off...  ;)

TMBTM said:

About the Arena youtube clip: VERY nice! I like how Padme do not just "Jump!" that high.

But I don't like the first facial shot of Mace once in the arena cause we see some Jedi fighting in the background before the actual fight happens. Anyway it's a major improvement over the original and with a few more work on it I think it could be on the level of a AOTC: revisited version.

Good job!

This is still a very rough version. I don't have software to allow me to erase those Jedi in the background. But that would be the plan.

Wow! Thanks guys for the great feedback! I'll see if I can address this stuff:

Bingowings said:

Mace looks great in his pilot's chair (sure it takes some surprise out of his turning up in time but we know he is on his way already anyway).

Perhaps it would work better if we saw the Jedi entering the system before the Arena battle began leaving the lead up free to follow with the anticipation building up in the background (keeping the audience thinking "Mace where are you?"). 

Yes, we do know he is on his way in the original edit. My thoughts on that would be to cut that sentence out entirely from the movie. That way right before the monsters attack our heros we have this WTF moment with the Jedi entering the system. We then have this hope of them getting there in time to save them. At least that is what I was originally thinking. I also would have liked to show a shot or two of the Jedi landing near the stadium and going in...

Bingowings said:

Rhikter said :

Agreed. I think that after 3PO get's his head knocked off we should not see him again until R2 his putting him back together.

I wouldn't even have that.

Either I'd remove Threepio altogether or I'd have him fall into the bowels of the droid factory and when R2 rescues him they find a means of alerting the Jedi to their position.

Wow. That's kind of cool idea...the droids being useful again! :D

Bingowings said:

Kind of missing the Jengo fight but it never made sense (like Boba, I never understood why a bounty hunter would act as a body guard. his role in life is to find people for money).

Agreed. Plus the whole Mace/Jango fight never made sense in any way. First, it should've been Obi-wan finishing him off. Second, Mace killing Jango with Dooku's reaction is editted so oddly that I remember thinking the first time I saw it, "There's some sort of subtext I'm missing here. There must be something here that will be addressed in the next movie." I thought Mace might turn to the darkside. I thought he might've teamed up with Dooku...I didn't know...but it seemed to have that sort of vibe.

Bingowings said:

It would be very difficult to do but it would be a much more dramatic entrance to have the Jedi land in the arena shoot up the intial threat of the destroyer droids on the way down and jump out of their fighters (like Anakin and Obi-Wan do in ROTS).

Also I cool idea...but I know *I* don't have a way to pull that off! ;)

Ripplin said:

I liked this edit. It did feel a bit odd with no dialogue for so long somehow.

 Ah yes! The same problem I ran into with the droid factory scene. Don't know what I can do...I certainly won't be adding the Mace/Dooku lines back in! ;)

Ripplin said:

I also mentioned the following: "I'm hoping someone ... can do something about the HORRIBLE warbling monster effects. Makes me want to punch my monitor. Even just stretch out the first sound and maybe raise and lower the pitch ever so slightly for natural intonation? I don't know how that would sound."

I know, the same old complaint... :p Maybe I'm just trying to find someone who agrees with me.

 I went looking for something to replace it a while ago. I just couldn't find anything. I didn't want to use any sounds from Jurassic Park. I can *always* pick those dino sounds out of any movie or tv show when they are used. ;)

fishmanlee said:

how about with yoda he's there but in his [own] meditation chamber shrouded in shadows?

"pay no attention to the green frog thing behind the curtain!"

You mean at the arena? Why would Yoda have his own meditation chamber there? huh?

Rhikter said:

Watched and rated

Overall I really liked it. For the first time I actually felt something in my heart when Padmé confesses her love to Anakin!

 That's a huge compliment! Thank you! :D

Rhikter said:
I was okay with the changes made to the Jedi's arrival up until the actual battle began. The transition into the battle feels clumsy, like it didn't deliver on all the anticipation that was building in me as I knew the Jedi were closing in. In order for those changes to feel natural there needs to be a better segue into the Jedi reveal at the coliseum.

I think I understand what you're saying. It sucks editing this way with no one there to see what you're doing and what you're up against with the footage available. I don't disagree with you. I'm just not sure what I can do...? Any ideas?

Rhikter said:

Can we get a smirk out of Nute Gunray? He's pleased by Padmés dilemma, but if it weren't for the chuckle I don't think we'd have any clue.

Agreed. Sadly I don't have Adywan's magical powers! ;)

Rhikter said:

Can there be a little bit of dialogue distributed throughout the battle with the droids, just to break up the action? Assuming there is any acceptable dialogue to draw from.

Also, can something be done about strange Jedi girl at 6:21 who doesn't look like she "really" swinging at anything?

Dialogue? From the battle droids? Really? ;)

Seriously, I know what you mean. Yes some dialouge from anyone would be great. Ideas?

And yes the Jedi girl at 6:21 is absolutely terrible. I just used it becuase I didn't want to loose more Jedi footage. You might notice I did cut her terrible "Haaa!" noise! :D

SilverKey said:

Nice edit, SSWR!

I liked how you tighterend up the battle between the Jedi and the droids. That, and the removal of the 3PI "comedy" makes the scene a lot more intense.

Thanks!

SilverKey said:

The scene where Obi-Wan, Anakin and Padme fight the monsters wasn't editted as good, in my opinion. You moved a lot of stuff around, and kept intercutting, making the scene feel longer than it is, and a little sluggish. There are some good finds in it though, and I liked how you tried to tighten it up. Overall, nice job!

 Hmmm...I'm not sure I agree...-Well, I'll say this: The only reason I restructured any of those shots was so I could get Padme off the pillar like a human. I never really had a problem with the monster battle as far as editing goes...at least no substantial problems. But I do appreciate your opinion! Would you happen to have any suggestions for that scene?

SilverKey said:

On the subject of sound effects, the feature Soundboards on StarWars.com has a lot of sound effects and dialogue samples without background sound or music. I don't know if he quality of the sounds is good enough for the fanedits going around here, and there aren't a lot of soundbites from the PT (yet), but they may be useful. You can find them here: http://starwars.com/games/playnow/soundboards/#

I would love to have these sounds! Has anyone found a way to download or record them yet?

Here's a great way to start off the weekend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdGOjH6xng

Thanks to bendanger for some ideas from his edit!...who else am I missing?
Major changes:
-Anakin/Padme love exchange is shorter...also no kiss! save it for the end of the movie!
-the monster scenes have been trimmed and re-edited
-padme doesn't simply jump (from 20 something feet) but actually starts to climb down like a human.
-jedi arrive on geonosis
-Mace and Dooku exchange is gone! why was it there in the first place?...they are coming to save Obi-wan...not talk trash to Dooku
-Mace/Jango fight is gone!
-Jango can be seen in the background but he might best be removed entirely...

forgive the sound mix...I wasn't about to go in and add saber and blaster sounds to every shot. :D  I simply removed alot of the mids.

Comments...?

Sluggo said:

zombie84 said:

There were a few prints of TPM that got out showing Maul falling in one piece. They were recalled after the first week or so. This was done as a PG-safe alternate.

 

 

 Ha! I've always heard about this but never saw a screen cap or video! Thanks! :D

I commented on 'Goodbye Ani...Hello Vader', davnes. I loved this video!

This is helping me get a grasp of a new timeline of events...which definantly needs to come together.

I know the Jar Jar thing was a joke (maybe not...?) but let me ask you a question: Do you think having Ani/Vader (either or) kill the children should be used? I personally am leaning against it...I know it's suppose to show how far Ani/Vader has gone and really strengthen the ending of ROTJ...but I don't think it needs to be there.

As we can hopefully pull off, Vader will be killing Jedi (maybe even seperatists...?) and is linked to the Sith so we, as the audience, know that he's bad. So killing children seems to be overkill and I know alot of people believe that that is not redeemable. Thoughts?

Also, if it's OK, might I have a go at my own version...?

Again, thanks for the credit!

ben_danger said:

Johnny Ringo said:

EyeShotFirst said:

When Anikan is burning in the fires of Mustafar

I really don't think this should be shown, or even needs to be shown. And if  keeping Vader's true identity a secret is the goal then keeping this simply makes the task harder.

I'd prefer an uncertain end to the duel - for obiwan and for the audience. If Anakin were to simply vanish over the lava fall with the collector arm it would mean we wouldn't have to suffer through the terrible dialogue of the rest of the fight and the truly horrifying scene of Obiwan standing there watching him burn. Cue sad music and move on.

And switching things around so the Jedi Temple raids [with a suited VADER] happen AFTER the big Mustafar duel might be a lot more interesting.

Oh, and regarding Palpatine on Mustafar - could it be implied that this is merely Darth Sidious - Presented thus far as a seperate entity to the good chancellor?

what if we could play on owens line 'he died about the same time as your father'

 

perhaps we never see either of them return from the fight. ben's reveal in ANH could allow the audience to begin questioning all the information that luke is told. perhaps even cutting his birth could allow us to question his relation to anakin until obi wan explains.

 

when do  we first hear the name 'skywalker', sounds silly, but how long could a really ignorant audience go on thinking he is luke *smith* until he announces he is infact a skywalker.

 

 Hmmm...I really like that idea...I don't know how doable it is simply because of all the other scenes that happen after the fight contain Obi-wan...BUT we ARE talking about radical edits here...  :D

Major resturcting would have to take place in the over all timeline...when is the Jedi temple raided? when does the mustafar duel take place? when do we see Vader? when are the baby/babies born?

EyeShotFirst said:

I would love to have the emperor be in his throne room on coruscant sometime in the film. Maybe to keep him turned around looking at coruscant and have vader looking upon him. Then he arrives on the death star. It would be neat to just see another environment in the film instead of sand,trees,and stars.

 I agree it would be great to see...I've thinking and thinking about how this could work...it would be great if one of the Vader/Emperor conversations could be used in this new location...

brash_stryker said:

Wait......does Obi Wan even say the name Anakin in ANH? I just skipped through the hut scene and didn't notice it mentioned.

I think I may be onto something :)

All that would need doing to the prequels that way is remove the name skywalker and remove the twins being named and delivered to Alderaan and Tatooine.

This could work!

 Obi-wan never says the name Anakin until ROTJ. So I think you ARE onto something :)

brash_stryker said:

As someone has already mentioned, the only way this could be fixed is by doing a radical edit of ANH (which I'm against as this would mean making the OT fit with the PT) or somehow giving Obi Wan another apprentice in the prequels - impossible.

Going back to my radical idea before (which was pretty much shot down by most people) the way to fix both in one fell swoop would be to not have Anakin appear in the prequels at all. Hayden is named something else. Let's just call him Puke Whinetalker. That way, in ANH, we think he is referring to Hayden's character when he says "a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" but then it turns out it's not that guy at all, and he was just saying it to spare Luke's feelings.

If Obi Wan never referred to Luke's father as "Anakin" in the hut scene in ANH, things would be a lot simpler. All that would need to be done is omit the name Skywalker from the prequels entirely. That way, we still have a hunch that Vader is Hayden, but no idea that he is Luke's father.

Hmmm....

Adywan, I know you're busy, but would you care to weigh in on this? I would love to hear your take on this Anakin/Vader thing. Please?

RoccondilRinon said:

I've already explained, not very many pages back, how this can't work without performing a similarly radical edit on ANH.

I'm sorry but I'm not totally convinced of that yet.

If an edit *can* seperate the Anakin character from the Vader character (which, by the way, will be no small feat) then when you come to ANH and Obi says "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the emperor hunt down and destroyed the Jedi knights...he betrayed and murdered your father." it simply sounds like Obi-wan is lying to Luke about his father. Luke doesn't know anything about the force, Jedi, Sith or Darth Vader so Obi-wan can get away with this "lie". And then once we get to ESB and ROTJ we learned that Obi-wan was telling Luke this from a certain point of view to protect Luke and to help him learn and grow up as well. At least that's how I see it.

The only thing that bothers me is why would Obi-wan say that Darth Vader was once a pupil of his? Unless....this could be addressed in the PT...? :D

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

Oh yes!

Let us know Big Shot! :)

-Angel

 

Ha! :D

Well, it'll still be a while til I get to that...I'm still working on the arena scene from AOTC...

SilverKey said:

How about we minimize seeing Palpatine with his lightsaber, but shifting the focus of that scene to Anakin? The scenes in Palpatine's office are a big turning point in his life, so why not stretch it out a little, and center it around him?

I'm just brainstorming aloud here, most of it probably wouldn't even be doable:

• Anakin mulls over Palpatine's words in the council chamber.
• Windu arrive at Palpatine's office. They exchange their dialogue. Palpatine activates his lightsaber. The music builds.
• Then cut to Anakin taking off from the Jedi Temple platform.
• Cut back to Palpatine's ante chamber. The bodies of Kolar, Fisto and Tiin are on the ground. In the distance we hear the sounds of the fight going on between Palpatine and Windu. Maybe we could add some screams, stuff breaking and other sound effects, to give the impression that there is really something big and epic is going on in that room.
• Cut back to Anakin arriving at the Senate building. It would be nice if in this scene, and in the other scenes with Anakin, we can cut in some close ups of him, to show that this scene is really about him.
• When Anakin arrives at the office, he hears the sounds of the battle going on (making him pause and adding in another close up might add to tension here, even Anakin is wondering what the hell is going on in there.
• Anakin enters the office, and we finally see the final stages of the fight. Maybe we can even add the suggestion here that Anakin never saw Palpatine with his saber at all, which could prove Palpatine's prediction that the Jedi are planning to betray him to Anakin.
• The rest of the scene plays as it normally does, and it would be great if we can add in Davnes' awesome idea of having Anakin and Mace's sabers clash in front of Palpatine's face.
• The music underneath this scene could be just the Emperor's Theme, adding to the mystery of the scene.

SilveryKey, I love your ideas! Less is more! :D

I may have to try this...

ben, I will respond to these radical (and very good) ideas soon...gotta work right now! :D

ben_danger said:

hey SSWR, commented a bit more on youtube, but awesome clip and ideas!

 

im wondering if it would be possible to push the snape/windu thing further so we may even believe HE is the dark lord? like the snape/quirrel thing in Harry Potter I perhaps?

 Woah!...hmm...could work...I'll have to give that some thought...

I also replied to your reply...

I'm not sure I dare post this VERY incomplete video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUu5GgEepU&feature=channel_page

As you can see, *lots* still need to be done to this video...but I've put it aside for now...I needed to free up some space on my hard drive...

Basic changes/ideas:

-Make Anakin a guy we can like and get behind

-Make Windu the only Jedi untrusting of Anakin

-*trying* to make dialouge slightly more natural

I know there is ALOT that I cut...for example: the Padme packing scene. I could not make that scene work at all! But I was able to use some of Anakins dialouge from that scene in the Palps office scene.

JasonN said:

So yeah, I'm still working on this one - I'll try to finish it, but it's getting a bit hard, because I'm kinda losing my interest: basically, for as much as I try to edit and cut Return of the Jedi, I still just really don't care for the story or characters very much (which makes things difficult when you're trying to re-edit the film).

I guess for myself, I've always felt that the "Star Wars" story ends best with the final shots of The Empire Strikes Back, with Luke, Leia, the droids, and Rebel Alliance drifting out into the stars.

 

You know, I'm always suprise that for as much criticism, anger, and utter hate that TPM recieved from audiences, those same people will give RotJ a free pass just because it's part of the "Original Trilogy" even though it's as equally flawed as TPM. (actually, I think it has even more flaws.... I mean, I am extremely satisfied with and do enjoy watching my Attack of the Federation edit, but I'm having a rather hard time trying to watch Last of the Jedi and care much for it)

 I think this is also why I haven't been on top of editing and showing more of my fan-o-matic clips...specifically when I got to the ewok village...I've cut and rearranged quite a bit of it but it's just not...star wars-y...ya know? I mean, I like ROTJ for what it is...but it lacks ALOT.