SomethingStarWarsRelated

Just got mine in the mail! Hopefully I can watch this tonight or tomorrow...  :D  :D  :D

TheBoost said:

How about adding General Veers into the Endor battle somehow? I'd love to know that his smirking face is inside the AT ST that gets squished between two logs.

Anybody suppose that'd be possible?

 I kind of like that idea....

Trooperman said:

I'm really sorry. I know you guys are waiting for this. I bought a bunch of cases and DVD's and CD mailing envelopes, so I think I'll get them out by this Monday.

 Very exciting! Thanks for going to such great lengths, Trooperman!

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

are you going to attempt to add the shipyard/star destoryer stuff in the background?

Well here is the first try after a long time.

Nothing to fancy like Ryan church's concept but it holds i think.

 

-Angel

 Yeah yeah! I like this alot. It actually makes me think of when they mention a space station in ANH....I wonder why we never saw one in the PT....anyways....very good pic! Is that Coruscant? That would probably make sense...Keep up the good work! :D

Angel Blue01 said:

I love the SE ending to ROTJ, including the music (but I don't mind that Adywan is changing it). But this is an amazing mockup!

Lando's escape is even more dramatic, I actually wondered whether he was going to make it, great use of the "That was too close!" And I liked having the additional shot of Akbar relieved that the battle is won.

I would have preferred if the sending off was done by Mon Mothma, or Leia, Akbar there feels a little wierd.

Having the fleet breakup is a great idea, their missions is done, but I also think it went on too long.

I think the celebrations should have been used at the end, maybe inserting the Falcon flying overheard into the Coruscant celebration: now the people of the galaxy have heard the good news. It would be nice if we could get a shot of Leia in the Senate, but that might be a bit much.

The thing that bugs me the most is having Han's line be right before the credits. In the end of a Star Wars film the last minute or two is just music, no dialog, before we iris in to the credits.

Another idea building on this: the last shots are of the Coruscant celebration, but seen by Luke and Leia from a balcony on Coruscant, then the Jedi ghosts (rather than earlier on Endor), Leia smiles, Luke joins her, we see the ghosts one final time and iris in.

One small thing, maybe for the wishlist, I always thought Niem Numb was hobbit sized, but anyway seeing him be human-sized really ruins the illusion that he's an alien. Would it be possible to resize him in the Endor celebration?

 Thanks for the great words, Angel Blue01!

Yeah I also liked the Ackbar relieved shot :D

The only reason I picked Ackbar to say the lines is because it seemed more possible to actually achieve...I mean, who *wouldn't* want Liea saying something like that? But *how* could we actually do this?

Yes, I also understand about Han's lines inserted right there at the end...yes normally it's just music...but I thought *if* something like this could be achieved (and everyone went for it) it would be worth it to change things up a bit...afterall it's the final movie of the saga!

Yeah, I'm still thinking about the celebrations at the end...I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around what should be done that is not only tasteful but also achievable.

I don't really like the Jedi ghosts on Coruscant idea...mainly because Liea is still in her Ewok clothes...but that's just me.

Thanks again!

vaderios said:

Sorry for the delayed Feedback for your video but here it is.

First I like a lot that you change the angles when the ships comes out. Very sublte but it adds extreme feelings :D.

I LOVE the hold your breath moment before we see lando again (that was too close).

Remembering that ady said about a secret ending in ROTJ:R that we see why the planets celebrate so quickly after the empire's fall. Well Your idea with the rebel fleet goes here and there and alert the planets is a fantastic idea.

I really didnt expect to see a so good ending despite the fact i use to see ewoks and a party at the end :D

Bingo's ideas about Coruscant and Senate can be in too. This will tie things more to PT ;)

You manage to make me cant watch ROTJ anymore because of the all child shit and begging for an edit og yours as well :D

Great job once again :)

 

-Angel

 Well thank you, Angel! Very high compliments there!

Yeah, I think the Coruscant and senate thing could work too...I'm just out of ideas as to how that might work/look...

Again a VERY cool teaser poster! :D

Sweet pic, Angel! (yes I'll try and get to you soon...real life in the way lol)

RoccondilRinon said:

Brilliant work, SSWR. I can see Ady doing something along those lines for ROTJ:R.

 Thanks! :D

DuTwan said:

Really loved the video, apart from few minor things like reused clips but apart from that I loved Han being concerned for Luke, shows he has grown as a character. I think what Ackbar said about the rebels have won needs somekind of different dialogue, like the emporer has been defeated, not the empire. Wouldnt mention that the rebels had won because we had just seen that and Ric Olie has an excuse to be in ROTJ wouldnt ya Ric?

5 out of 5 Stars sswr!

 Thanks! And yes I totally agree with you on what Ackbar is saying. Actually I don't know if I'd have him say anything about the emperor...actually I don't know if I'd have him say anything! lol I typed this up back when there was discussion about redubbing Ackbar (forgot why...). I decided to leave in everything I originally typed.

JasonN said:

Where'd you get the C-3PO dialogue, about "completing his mission" and "giving R2 the credit"?
(that's something I might want to use in my RotJ fanedit as well)

 ROTJ radio drama

shanerjedi said:

Dude, you are awesome.

 

SSWR, if you really wanted to play with things, have that rebel fleet shot approaching Coruscant and then fade to credits. hehe.

 I *had* thought about something like that! lol :D

Another video...this time testing out a totally different ending for ROTJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUJL7c3-yro

I started this before Adywan had ever mentioned ROTJ:R...actually I got alot of the ideas from the Starkiller Ranch thread...back when it was still alive...*sniff*  ;)
I started this video about two years ago and continued to add and change things as i went along.
Some ideas I first started off with don't seem near as fesible now (new 3PO dialouge)...plus some ideas seem a bit...fan boy-ish.
But there are some ideas I do like...that being the main reason I decided to finally post it now. I want it to be floating around for a while so people can watch and comment on what they like and don't like...maybe this will help Adywan with some ideas...we'll have to wait and see!

Oh! And I'd better comment now that I *don't* want Hayden in this version...I simply don't have a good copy of the GOUT to use. :D

Great new pic! Yeah I think the planet looks great...way better than in the original...which I thought was too colorful...not enough atmosphere in front of it...but yours looks very nice! :D

I think you guys know how I feel on this subect of the Vader/Palps phone call:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WoYpSueUs&feature=channel_page

Darth Venal said:

 

It's not just change for change sake, it's change to make the story make more sense.

 

That part of the story makes perfect sense. Jedi has many issues, but a slightly exposition-heavy scene isn't one of them. In 26 years I never heard a single complaint about the Dagobah scenes.

Anyway, I thought we were agreeing to disagree :-)

 It's not that it doesn't work the way it is in the film now. BUT if the restructuing of scenes does indeed happen (Luke on dagobah first)...then the film seems to slow way down before anything interesting happens...I tried it along time ago and it felt really slow.

Preach it, Bingowings!  ;)

As you can tell, I'm all for the change...although I'm still not sure Ben's hut is doable...I *do* think being outside in the tatooine night skies *do* work.

Wow thanks again for the feedback, guys!

Monroville said:

Some good work there, SSWR!

I like how you got Yoda to do the coughing.  As a suggestion, could you make an alternate edit?

Personally, I could see the beginning with Vader removed entirely and just start on Dagobah.  In fact, I would not show the X-wing or R2 and just show Luke (recoloring his EMPIRE outfit to black) running through the forest and CGI Yoda off his back (since he would be back in the hut, with Luke doing his final training on his own) and maybe his green lightsabre on (or it could be kept off to save it for the barge fight reveal).  I would never show Luke's face, so when he reveals himself before Jabba, it is the first time we see him completely.

What kind of programs do you use for your editing?

 Well, I like the sound of that too...If I tried that it would be even more rough...I can't erase Yoda very well with what I use (adobe premiere and photoshop elements)...I don't know...I might attempt something like this eventually...

Bingowings said:

There's a lot to love about SSWR's last lesson mockup.

To those who think it spoils the reveal at Jabba's Palace as I said before the reveal is already broken in the theatrical cut where the mysterious powerful looking Jedi falls down the first trapdoor.

To build a more interesting last lesson it may be fun to mirror the very first lesson.

Remember Luke deflecting remote blasts with his sabre?

If Vader can deflect Han's bolts with the Force alone it would prove that Luke has stepped up a notch if he learned to do it too (totally useless against the power of Palpatine's Force Lightning but he did say they were feeble skills).

Here's how I see it.

Sinister music (something like The Magic Tree from ESB).

A mysterious hooded figure approaches Yoda's house.

A couple of remotes activate and he effortlessly deflects their blasts against them using only the Force (no saber yet).

Is Yoda safe? Who is this sinister chap?

He lifts his hood to reveal Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight.

Yoda sitting on a log congratulates him and then coughs, Luke looks concerned.

Then the scene inside.

That way you can start the film (from Luke's end) on Dagobah and still have the mysterious intro, a final lesson that mirrors the first and sets up a scene at the end.

Is it doable?

"I'm just making this up as I go along"

 I agree about the 'ruining Luke's entrance' thing. Although I have a slightly different view of this: I've never really thought Luke looked like a 'bad ass' in this movie...yeah kind of when he enters Jabbas palace...but the rest of the movie? nah...yeah, he is more wise than ESB...but to me he's still learning quite a bit...which is great! we can still relate with him becuase we are still on this journey with him. does that make sense? so to me losing that entrance at jabbas doesn't really bother me....but again that's *my* line of thought.

And Bingo, I like your thought on this scene too...I'm not sure how i feel about the remotes...i like the fact that on dagobah it's all organic lifeforms...no technology anywhere (other than what Luke brought...which maybe you could argue he brought the remotes...). But I like the idea of mirroring the first and last training scene...very cool...

Thanks again! :D

Darth Solo said:

What, no matant trees though?

 Ha! I think they are waaaay off in the background... :D

Darth Venal said:

doubleofive:

 

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Well here's that 'Luke training on Dagobah' idea we were talking about the other day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFBmHpcX4eA
This is how it would fit in with the fan-o-matic edit. Needs some more tweaking...ideas? Is this scene too early to show Lukes new saber?

You know what? That's pretty neat! I think it might work for some editor, definitely for the Fan-O-Matic. Nice reuse of the turn, he even looks concerned for the coughing (which I found both clever and hilarious). Great job man!

Obviously that's a crude edit but you can definitely see how it works. I approve. A bit of awkward rotoscoping on Luke's turn, maybe a long shot of new footage for him training in the swamp, and I really think that could work.

Well done.

 Thanks guys! Yeah, you'll notice all of my stuff is awkard and crude and will need alot of messaging...but it gets the idea across.

doubleofive said:

"Hey Adywan, what do you think of this idea?"

*SILENCE*

"Hey Ady, you going to do that?"

*SILENCE*

"That pit looks like its underwater."

*RANDOM PICTURE*

You crack me up man.

 Hee hee! so true!  :D

Well here's that 'Luke training on Dagobah' idea we were talking about the other day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFBmHpcX4eA

This is how it would fit in with the fan-o-matic edit. Needs some more tweaking...ideas? Is this scene too early to show Lukes new saber?

Adywan, have you considered the shot of the falcon taking off from the rebel base on Hoth?

I was watching that scene the other day and noticed that *before* takeoff the falcon is parked facing screen right...but once it takes off it apparently has turned 180 degrees (like it does from docking bay 94 in ANH) and started going towards screen left. Have you considered making or extending the shot of the falcon actually turning around (with your new falcon model)?

And on another note: just wondering if you've experimented with the new camera yet? Will any new footage you film match up with the original footage? Just wondering... :D

Talk at you guys later! Gotta go! :D

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

 Well, there could be *some* shots that could have set extensions made...instead of cropping...but I know you know this, Angel. ;)

Yes i do! :D

-Angel

 I love the sand being disturbed underneath the sail barge!

What do you guys think about having the sand being disturbed the whole time...to kind of achieve a hovering effect? or is that too much?

Darth Venal said:

I agree, SSWR (sorry, your name is so long!). Introducing Luke in such a mundane way is going to undermine the pacing and structure of the movie, and totally ruin what is a pretty decent entrance at Jabba's Palace.

And usually when movie is edited about, you can see it a mile away.

 lol I know I know my name is way too long...I regreted it the moment I made my first post! :D

*Hopefully* we can find a way to make this resctructuring work to where it seems like it was meant to be this way...and if making a new entrance for Luke on Dagobah doesn't work...well...I'll probably be fine with the original way...even though it's certainly flawed! :D

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Very nice, Angel....I wondered if you might come back with an extended shot! ;)

I think that's gonna have to happen alot more in ROTJ:R. Some shots are just plain ugly from a composition stand point...especially when compared to ESB. And Adywan is gonna be using the HD version right? So he won't be able to crop any of the images...is that correct?

Thanks matey.

Well i suppose and want a 720p ROTJ, that supports cropping.

Any new Clips there SWWR? :D:D

 

-Angel

 Last night I got inspired and I started working on the Luke training on Dagobah at the beginning of ROTJ idea. I'll post whatever I come up with...who knows if it will work. I *am* thinking that something like this is needed *if* we start Luke with on Dagobah. It seems a little odd starting with Luke  and Yoda inside sitting around...hmmm....not sure yet. We need to show Luke off a little more...since he *is* a main character he needs a decent entrance to the film (if we're not going with Luke entering Jabbas palace).

Well, that's why I asked...I wasn't sure...

He didn't use the HD version for ANH:R...correct? Except for a few select shots which he did indeed crop...right? (Example: Wedge flying around from ROTJ)

I just thought that if he'll be using the HD version for the *entire* film and then cropped some of those HD shots it would be noticable...but I could be wrong...I don't know enough about this stuff. :D

Edited: Thanks for the info guys! Good to know he can crop!

Very nice, Angel....I wondered if you might come back with an extended shot! ;)

I think that's gonna have to happen alot more in ROTJ:R. Some shots are just plain ugly from a composition stand point...especially when compared to ESB. And Adywan is gonna be using the HD version right? So he won't be able to crop any of the images...is that correct?