Excellent! I love that Yoda actually takes a BITE of the food! :D
Is Frank Oz's head gone now? It's hard to tell from the video...
Very very cool!
One thing I loved about the saber fight from TPM that was completely lacking in AOTC and ROTS was Qui-Gon meditating. It looked as if Qui-Gon was calling on the force to help him which was great. But no one else does this in any of the other PT movies! I would think Yoda would've called on the force...I mean, Sidious just turned Anakin over to the dark side and personally killed Windu and those other Jedi with him...shouldn't Yoda be a little less cocky going in to this fight?
I actually like your line of thought here, Bingo....carry on... ;)
shanerjedi said:
well simple rotoscoping can be done. that is doable. but if were talking about creating new elements, that's something else entirely. That's the thing about many of these edits: enhancing things with roto and paint work is one thing, but creating new elements is much more difficult.
You are definantly correct on this. This is something that concerns me with what Adywan is doing for ESB:R. Believe me, I want the newly filmed elements to work-... probably more than anyone else...but getting it to look seemless...well, that's the trick. :D
shanerjedi said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Ghost said:
shanerjedi said:
*chants* video mock up video mock up video mock up
I'll second that.
lol you guys are funny...I'm a bit busy at the moment...i have several projects i'm jumping back and forth between now...including: pretty much the last have of ROTS (trying to figure out how everything should go down...i still think keeping Vader a secret is possible) and an entirely new scene for TPM! :D
I'm with you all the way on that point. I'm just not sure if it can be done with the available footage. I look forward to what you come up with.
Yep I hear you on that...I'm not sure yet either. ;) what I have now I *know* will have to be manipulated quite a bit...rotoscoping and such...but i do think it could work.
Ghost said:
shanerjedi said:
*chants* video mock up video mock up video mock up
I'll second that.
lol you guys are funny...I'm a bit busy at the moment...i have several projects i'm jumping back and forth between now...including: pretty much the last have of ROTS (trying to figure out how everything should go down...i still think keeping Vader a secret is possible) and an entirely new scene for TPM! :D
adywan said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Ok so I was watching the clip again....do my eyes deceive me? Are some of those last few shots trimmed a bit? Specifically the shot of Luke falling? If i'm right, it probably has to do with the new shots and getting it to sync with the music...?
Anyone care to put up a split screen video? :D
No, none of the last few shots have been trimmed. I just removed the shot of the Wampa in pain.
Ah! Thanks Ady.
I meant to say thank you for throwing us a few new bones recently! :D
Ok so I was watching the clip again....do my eyes deceive me? Are some of those last few shots trimmed a bit? Specifically the shot of Luke falling? If i'm right, it probably has to do with the new shots and getting it to sync with the music...?
Anyone care to put up a split screen video? :D
Bingowings said:
Do I detect a video mockup on the way SSWR?
No no. lol Just thought I'd throw my two cents in there.... ;)
I got the original download to work...hmm...weird
Well the video looks great! My guess is that this the new edit of the scene minus the new Wampa shots. So any time we get a shot of the SE wampa, it will be replaced by the new one...?
shanerjedi said:
I just don't think it would be clear enough to go in after the fact and add a shot or two of the moon graphic without a line or two of dialogue stating: "moving into firing position sir" or something like that.
Agreed. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtom9v3kL4
Yeah, I'm trying to remember how I did this! lol ...I think I simply took a movie clip...some sort of moving background video....maybe something a VJ might use...then I stretched and skewed it, and made it flicker on and off a bit...and there you have it! :D
Ric Olie said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
I mean, who *didn't* know that Palps was behind everything in the PT?
What?!?
Mr. Palpatine was my oldest and most trusted adviser. Heck, he used to babysit me.
That's not true! That's impossible!!!!
Noooooooooooo!
Whoops! Sorry there, Ric. It's kind of like the whole Santa thing-...uh oh! ;)
Bingowings said:
Apparently it was originally Sido Dyas (geddit?) Lucas claimed he's explain it later but in true Doctor Who fashion he never bothered.
Yes, that's what I remember too...I just thought it would've been someone else...I mean, who *didn't* know that Palps was behind everything in the PT? Lucas made that perfectly clear...so I assumed it would've been someone else who ordered the clones...like Windu or Qui-Gon...silly me! lol :D
mrbenja0618 said:
I was tinkering with this scene from AOTC.... This was inspired by an Angel mockup.
Definantly adds some great mood to the scene! :D
Ghost said:
The Sifo Dias mystery was something I didn't get until about my third time watching the movie. I first thought that Qui-Gon was Sifo Dias. I think Sifo Dias should of been Count Dooku. It would make it less confusing. It doesn't make sense because there is really no backstory to this Sifo Dias fellow. Why he would call for an army makes no sense.
Yeah, I STILL don't know where Lucas was going with that sub plot...? Was it Sidious who ordered them?
Davnes007 said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
OK, my take on Yoda and dagobah.
....I DO believe having Yoda and Bail hanging out there, then the twins being born there makes perfect sense...
...and don't forget MY epic length version. (...basically the same, but with lots of padding ;) ...)
Oh yes! Also a good one! complete with a new 3D model! :D
Thanks for replying, Trooperman! a few thoughts...
"Yes, that’s a major, major problem. It bothers me a great deal. I’m still considering how to fix it. It would be great if there was a long shot with all 3 of them, but of course there isn’t, because this scenario never even happened in AOTC. So I painted myself into a corner…"
-Hmmm...maybe you could talk to Angel about this...? Or Adywan? ;)
"People may think they don’t advance the plot…actually, they do. Without them, you don’t buy that they fall in love. They are necessary."
-After watching it again and reading your quote above...I'm starting to agree. :D
"Also, after they land on Naboo, if you notice, I reinstated the deleted parts of the scene and cut out most of the lines they used in AOTC, the supposedly “plot related” lines. Why? They’re falling in love. All I did in that particular scene, by the way, was kept the conversation on personal details, and cut out any time in which Padme berates Anakin like a little boy. Watch the scene in the original cut to see the difference."
-Actually, I noticed this right off the bat and loved it! The only deleted Naboo scene that I really felt didn't have to be there was Padmes bedroom scene. I personally don't care for all of the forshadowing Lucas did for Vader in the PT. Plus some of Padmes line delivery is terrible: "They were so full of life...they all were."
"Neither am I. I do like the droid factory. It went from looking really cheesy to looking really artistic and dangerous looking- almost like a painting sometimes. I think the music also helped there. Before, it was a mishmash featuring the love theme prominently (Oh, look! Padme’s in danger! Let’s play the love theme.). The approach I took, though, was that if this were in the OT, the effects and the “newness” of it all (all the machines and everything) would be such that the music would be emphasizing the adventure and the incredible nature of it all. That’s the thing. I think the prequels took too much for granted. Like that flying scene. The effects are so good now that we’ll just use this light, trivial, music. WRONG. Even with CG effects, we need this kind of, “What I’m seeing right now is incredible!” type of music to keep it fresh and innocent, and new. That’s what I did with the speeder chase in Coruscant. Watch the old one from AOTC to see what I’m saying. "
-Yes! Definantly. You accomplished this throughout the movie. There is now a feeling of adventure you get...which is pretty much lacking throughout the entire PT. You certainly know you're way around music! That is something lacking in most edits I've seen...including my own :P
skye1083 said:
Johnny Ringo said:
I can't remember who first mentioned it here but there was a suggestion of the Tantive IV [or whatever it was in rots] going to Dagobah and the Skywalker twins being born there.
I'd much rather have Yoda simply stay behind on the planet after this. I think it's simpler than having him travel there solo.
I like it too but I never saw a reason as to why they had to land there. Yoda going into hiding makes sense; Organa, Obiwan, and Yoda meeting together one last time makes sense. But why Dagobah? Just because Yoda is there in ESB? Seems rather circular.
Perhaps Yoda should just disappear? It's sadder and more appropriate to have him leave without a real plan, with just the force to guide him.
As it is now, the PT is using the OT as a way to pad out the story. It needs to be less of a grocery list and more of a mystery.
I do appreciate this point of view too. My main reason for suggesting Dagobah (as if you couldn't tell) is Luke's line in ESB. ;)
OK, my take on Yoda and dagobah.
I don't believe we ever need to show Yoda landing on dagobah. That way it is a mystery. I mean, at the end of ANH are we shown rebels arriving on Hoth? No. At the end of ESB are we shown Luke arriving on Tatooine? No. Why bother? Everything that needs explaining is explained it each movie. We need some mystery between each movie!
However, I DO believe having Yoda and Bail hanging out there, then the twins being born there makes perfect sense. Luke's line "There's something familar about this place" would finally make sense! And I feel it should go *something* like this:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SSWR1#p/u/18/1uk8pB0nnu0
After this scene we really don't have to explain where Yoda goes...nor Obi-Wan! :D
OK here we go...
SOTDS is alot of fun! There. That is all. I'm done.
Just kidding. ;)
OK, I'm gonna be kind of all over the place:
Editing: I personally think the first few scenes up until the Jedi council scene is the tightest as far as editing goes. Not to say it was terrible after that. But I was really invested up until that point. After the nightclub scene the characters wander around for a while before they start doing things again (the investigation and Anakin/Padme leave). I would think Padme's attempted assisination should put things into motion alot quicker...of course Lucas's version was even slower! lol :D
I should mention that the first few lines in Palps office really surprised me. I liked how you kept Padme out of the Dooku conversation. "I think Count Dooku was behind it." blech! ;) Although I don't care for the way the entire scene was flipped around horizonatlly. Everyone looks...off...for lack of a better word.
Use of deleted scenes: Hmm...well, the thing is...I just don't think they do much for the movie. The senate scene does help explain a bit more of what's going on. And of course the other scenes helps flesh out Padmes character a bit more. But they don't further the story. IMHO.
Yoda: I know what you were going for with the shots of Yoda where the frames per second were played with...but I would say get rid of it. If it can't be done for all of his shots...it just looks weird. Plus it looks more like stop motion than Oz performing him. Too bad though...I loved the idea...just not so much the execution.
The color "correction" (what is the correct word?) works in some of the scenes...I particularly liked the purple-ish look of the droid factory. But on the whole I'm not so sure...obviously *something* needs to be done to alot of the scenes within the film...then again I am no color expert... :)
Voices: Anakin's voice is not horrible...although I think I would try to find someone who has the Vader accent (is it british?). Lama Su is great. Jar Jar: I really like the idea...but the character mumbled a bit...I had a hard time understanding what he said. Marcus Fett...eh. Clone Troopers...I'll have to go back and watch it again but I liked them alright. I think you were right to redub these particular characters...but I think making it really work comes down to the sound mix.
I really loved all of the new character interaction you've added/changed in the film. Anakin now behaves more like a real person! Yay! Lama Su's new dialouge and interaction with Obi-Wan is wonderful...I'm amazed at how much you were able to change in those few scenes he was in...very much improved!
The sound mix: Yes, it needs the most work. When it's completed, it will work sooo much better. I thought that I should mention that whenever you rearranged any of the dialouge to different places within the film I couldn't hear any music bleed through the voices...how did you do that? Very nice! :D
The whole mother thing: I love how you explained WHY the Jedi haven't done anything to help Anakins mother. That was simply great!
Addition of other movie footage: When other movie clips would come onto the screen it felt like I was watching an animatic or a workprint. This not only includes the battle at the end but also the nightclub scene. It just doesn't match the look of the rest of the movie. It pulled me out of the movie...especially the ID4 footage. Which goes into my next thought:
After effects would be a VERY valuable thing for this edit. So many things in this edit come so so so very very close to working really really really well...but without some software like after effects...well, it does indeed feel like an animatic of workprint. And I'm not just talking about the battle footage where it would come in handy. Even some scenes where the dialouge has been moved around or added/changed. One scene that came to my mind was where Padme and Anakin are on that ship headed for Naboo. There is a shot where Padmes footage was reversed which I *think* could be smoothed out using after effects. And another shot of Padme with the back of Anakins head where he begins to speak but nothing comes out. Something like after effects would help becuase you could isolate his head and keep it stable...becuase it does distract the eye. There are a few instances like that through out the movie.
I really hope I don't sound too harsh...I mean, I myself am known for my rough videos...and I really did enjoy this movie...there are so many things to enjoy...the new dialouge that helps explain things that needed explaining...things are more simplfied...the plot is not so sloppy anymore...the characters are more defined, more believable, and likable...the music is moving...the editing is much tighter...great GREAT stuff here, folks!
I hope everyone gets to see this real soon!
I am gonna sit and watch this again soon so I might have a few more things to point out... :D
Trooperman, if there is anything you might like me to comment on spefically...like a certain scene you thought really worked well or didn't, I'll be glad to comment. Just let me know. I know what it's like to edit something and then have noone comment on that specific something.
Yep. I like it alot, Angel! :D
Ripplin said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
After the past couple of crazy days here on the forum I think we need something to laugh at...it's movie mashup time!
As I said at YT, that's one of the best videos I've watched in a long time, and I really mean it! Amazing work, fella! :D
I did a Star Wars/Napoleon Dynamite mash-up, too, but it pales in comparison to yours (but I still get a kick out of it):
I bet you could do a video version of it...WINK WINK! ;)
Nice! lol
Yeah it took me a while to figure out who would play who in the video...I had thought that Han would've been a good uncle rico...but it came down to Vader being Napoleon. so i just had to ask who Vader interacted with in the OT and went from there...
Thanks again! :D
After the past couple of crazy days here on the forum I think we need something to laugh at...it's movie mashup time!
Octorox said:
I have to disagree with everyone about the stormtrooper chatter. Even tho it wasnt the best technically it was one of my favorite changes. I did notice the music was mixed very low on a lot of parts tho. Also, I'd pitch up Anakin's VO. He sounds just a little too manly, I feel he should retain Luke's awkward man-boyishness. Also I noticed prevalent fade in fade outs, which goes against Star Wars editing conventions.
'Prevalent' is the correct word (it was only used, what, twice?). Because the fading out technique was used in ANH. As the droids follow Luke into the garage.
I got to watch it last night and really really enjoyed it! I thought i'd comment on the fades because that didn't actually bother me...it felt very natural...like out of the OT...i feel Lucas should have used it at times in the PT...not just limiting himself to wipes only. Also I would've like Lucas to use more hard cuts...why so many wipes?
I'm gonna write up a full review soon....just thought i'd throw that in there. ;)
