Angel I LOVE those pics...I would love to see this done in an edit...but I think I might like the "dracula acid planet" concept alot more...at least I'd like to see more! ;)
RoccondilRinon said:
Well, that's the idea, Handzzz; it's just a mockup.
Yes indeed. Thanks RR! :)
DuTwan said:
Hey loved the sequence, just few things i think might be better perhaps?
first being, "what is thy bidding my master?" bit should be the last bit of the scene, makes it more powerful i feel, i don't think sidious laughing is needed. Not so keen on the bit after too. Second point, Obi steals luke!?! :O haha
Thanks for the feedback! The scene with Palps and Vader is...well...I don't necessarily like what I have...I'm not particularly good with writting new dialouge- woah I sounded like Lucas! ;)
Hmm...I didn't think about it looking like Obiwan stole Luke...just a lack of footage. Any suggestions?
Octorox said:
Sorry :( some cool ideas but overall you're changes in pacing have ruined the best part of the PT for me. The montage ending of Ep3 is one of my favorite moments in SW. I DO like how you managed to preserve the secret of Leia however.
Well, I don't pretend to have it all figured out here...but the more I watched the original montage...the more I hated it. All of our main characters story threads get put into their same exact location for the next movie...which takes place twenty years later! If we are gonna go down that route then in ANH Luke and the rebels should land on Hoth. Or in ROTJ Luke and company should land on Tatooine to safe Han. I'm not attacking you...I'm just trying to understand why "everyone" likes the original ending so much.
Alright part 3 (and final) of the "ROTS new timeline" videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsr59ZpcPEc
I tried explaining everything I did in the description box...but ran out of room! So many changes! ;)
I like the clip of the cough-less Grievous. It looks like he has a bit of a spasm which is really quite fun. :)
savmagoett said:
this is reeeeeally good, I mean compare to the original. Some very good ideas are putted here, Han's akward kiss back to leia removal, R2 & 3PO comment, the fleet going away in space (with more shots of Akbar, we all love that lobster man :) ), I know it repeating ESB but I just love that Falcon/Luke's x-wing flying apart shot and the hyperspace closing.
I like "the adventure continues" spirit of it, it fits well with the serial aspect of the saga. Overall it's simply "more Star Wars" great job!I can think of some improvements though:
-keep the SE celebration around the galaxy shots, as it links the two trilogy
-shorten the Ewok celebration or enhance it with dialogs and chattering
-get Sebastian Shaw back of course
-Akbar's dialog is not great IMHO, change it to something else, like dialog with the heroes for example
-get rid of Han's "Yaooooh" at the end, it doesn't work with his previous state of mind, and it's silly
-beware of the "neverending ending" effect (à la Lord Of the Ring), try to make it not too long ;)anyway great ideas here SSWR1…
Thanks for the feedback guys! I would agree with all of your improvement ideas...except maybe adding back the SE celebration around the galaxy shots. I don't hate the shots really...and I agree that it helps link the saga together visually...I don't know...it all happens so quickly...although that could probably be smoothed out with some editting. Thanks! :)
I forgot to comment on these awesome pics! Even if they were not used as an incomplete death star....you could put it elsewhere in the PT and call it a space station (Han ANH)...or is that what you were thinking to begin with? :D
DuTwan said:
Just to bring this up. been watchin the force unleashed 2 trailer and cant help but think what if geonosis battle was done at night. Would that feel more like star wars?
I don't know if it would feel more like star wars...but it sounds cool... ;)
This was awesome!
Bingowings said:
You could move Kid Fett into ROTS so he is Obi-Wan's un-named but gitty looking new Padwan in key scenes (turning Jango, if you need him into Boba keeping one mysterious Fett in the series).
Holy crap that's a great idea! :D
vaderios said:
I didnt mind yoda look like weak.. In fact he is strong but stylistic speaking dark side is at its best.. so a deeper meaning is behind that..
Agreed. ;)
SilverKey said:
SSWR, I was just thinking of this: I like Anaking going over the lava-fall because it leaves us in the dark about his fate and it adds some mystery to Darth Vader's identity. How are you going to edit the movies to make it all work? Because as much as I love your ending for Anakin, it still won't be a surprise when Vader reveals himself to Luke in ESB: we met Anakin in the PT, know he was Obi-Wan's only apprentice, and we've seen him fall to the Dark Side over the course of the trilogy. What are your ideas to keep the mystery?
Well, the only real problem is knowing Anakin is Obi wans only apprentice. I don't have a good answer for this. But I'm not giving up hope yet... ideas? anyone? ;)
Bingowings said:
This might sound daft but what if you just had the truncated battle in the senate incorporating his entrance into the room which I've always loved and left it with Yoda apparently falling to his death (Yoda could plausible seem to have died then).
After that you could have the scene of Yoda making his escape with Bail.
This could work...
ben_danger said:
hey SSWR, loved the two new videos, i like the new anakin death, although it does feel slightly anticlimatic, is there likely to be a part 3? im wondering if obi wan perhaps departs thinkng its over, then anakin shows up again for the final confrontation, where he is diced. id love for his defeat to somehow be anecdotal of obi wans triumph earlier with grevious.
Hey ben good to hear from you! :) There will indeed be a part 3 and 4...and...well...I guess you'll have to...um...tune in next time to find out! ;)
SilverKey said:
SSWR, your new ending for ROTS is fantastisc! I'm sure it's just a mock-up as it is now, but there are some great ideas in there. The way you short-cut the Yoda vs Palpatine duel, for example, but I especially love how Anakin went down with that crane over the lava-fall. If you'd leave it at that, Darth Vader's identity could still be a mystery throughout the OT. I hope there's more to come!
Yeah leaving Darth Vaders indentity is defiantly a goal of mine. Thanks for the kind words :)
Rogue Leader said:
LOL! Yeah, Yoda is very weak for a Jedi Grand Master... I do like the new ending and the cutting back of Anakin's whiny @ss angsty dialog especially removing "You under estimate my power" and then having nearly all his limbs cut off like a chump. lol
However, how does Anakin's lightsaber get to Obi Wan to pass on to Luke then? Or was it previously established earlier that he was fighting with a red Sith lightsaber and Anakin left his Jedi blue lightsaber behind or something? I personally did not like Anakin was using a blue lightsaber against Obi's blue. Harder to track the fight and it just looked weird.
Yeah the whole lightsaber issue....I don't have a good answer. I agree that I would rather have a red vs blue battle...but I don't know how Obi would end up with Anakins blue saber to pass on to Luke...
Thanks again guys! :D
Wow! thanks for the feedback peoples! :D
Rhikter said:
Wonderful! I think all the ideas you you've presented here would work perfectly if you can find a way to more seamlessly integrate them. 5 stars
(NOTE: I've rated this higher than many other vids I've commented on. Those who would protest, keep in mind I am judging this for what it is. An idea; a concept; a mock-up.)
Yes indeed I wish I had a way to make it more seamless...alas right now I do not :( :P
Rogue Leader said:
Very nice... I like although Yoda being knocked out that long makes him look really weak. =( It would then bring up the question of why doesn't Sideous just finish him while he's down?
Well, my intention was to make it look like Palps killed Yoda. Thus his line: "At last the Jedi are no more!"
For me, it is perfectly fine to have Yoda look weak. He comes in being to cocky for my taste anyways (I tried to dial that down too)...Yoda should be knocked down a peg or two. ;)
Bingowings said:
Yoda on the floor is a problem with the theatrical cut too.
It does need a bit more brainstorming to get the general idea to work.
It does cut out a ton of BS though.
Vader does choke Padme at a funny time too, I know he is fired up on hubris but to have him do that with very little provocation seems a bit odd and there are still some of the wonkiest lines in there.
Once again though it's certainly snappier.
It's a bit late here but I try and think of something tomorrow.
Oh I agree about Anakin and pretty much anything he has to say in this scene is terrible. I didn't attempt it in this edit but I personally think he should be redubbed just like in SOTDS.
Bring on the ideas Bingowings! :D
Octorox said:
Usually a fan of your edits but can't stand this one. Yoda goes out like a punk (plus if he was knocked out why wouldn't Sidious kill him?) and Anakin's convo turns even more stilted and awkward than it already was, he chokes Padme before he even gets angry or sees Obi-Wan, really?
Again, I tried (but appearently didn't succeed) in making it look like Palps thought he had killed Yoda.
Everyone has their own tastes and I agree it could defianantly be better. I'm trying to understand these characters and make it flow better...and at the same time I'm very limited with what footage I'm given.
But thanks for the feedback :)
BarBar Jinkx said:
SSWR what can I say except WOW
You made it bearable to watch LOL
had a though while watching it though
would it be possible to have Anakin Start to choke Pandamay or panda bear or what ever the hell her name is as he says "Obi wan turned you against me" to me it would make him seem more impulsive and irrational!
Wait does he say "Obi wan turned you against me" ? That could work alot better. Thanks! :)
vaderios said:
Damn i missed that video of yours SSWR :D
I loved the dialogue you cutted there :D
I agree with octorox that anapimp should not talk after he chokes padme but go straight to kill obi whiner.
Cant wait to see part 2 :D
-Angel
Thanks Angel! And you're wish is my command...
PART TWO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poBUYSFmiCE
P.S. If you guys don't like Yoda looking weak...well...you won't like part two! ;)
vaderios said:
-Angel
Love it! :D
Davnes007 said:
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
OK, so I've been playing around with the last few scenes from ROTS for a while now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4gcsOsw6N4
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I really like how you streamlined the Ani/Padme conversation.
Cool thanks! I tried to make it sound a little more like a real conversation, ya know? And I tried to make Anakin sound a little more insane with less of his rationalizing...I personally believe he should be too far gone at this point in the movie...IMHO ;)
OK, so I've been playing around with the last few scenes from ROTS for a while now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4gcsOsw6N4
It's funny that I've titled this ROTS_newtimeline because I don't think this particular video shuffles any of the original scenes around drastically...but don't worry...there's more to come. ;)
This video would've been longer but for some reason I was having issues uploading a 9 minute version...so I'll be uploading the other part soon.
P.S. Welcome, VideInfra78! :D
doubleofive said:
It's easier to add shots like this to the OT than take away shots like this in the prequels?
Actually, I'm not quite conviced of this. This is a really quick and kind of crude way to do it but: depending on the shot you chose you could simply select and freeze frame a background, then roto in a ship flying past.
And again, sometimes I think they are a very appropriate type of shot to use.
doubleofive said:
I know what you're saying SSWR, but I love flybys.
One of my favorites is from ROTS right after Obi's line: "Another happy landing!" A really nice flyby shot! :D
doubleofive said:
And it doesn't stand out like the ones ILM did in the SEs. I think its short and subtle.
Again to be clear, Adywans new shot is wonderful. And my guess is it will look great with the rest of the movie.
doubleofive said:
Now, if Ady redid EVERY shot like this, I'd have a problem...
Yeah, I probably wouldn't like that either...but it is his baby! ;)
Rogue Leader said:
doubleofive said:
Let's break up all the fly by shots in the PT Revisited then. ;)
Yes! Or at least most of them! ;)
Ric Olie said:
But do you have any idea how hard they are to pull off convincingly? I'm not talking about creating the shot - I'm talking about the actual flying. Forget space camera placement and all that jazz, 'cause the real skill is in piloting that ship as close as you can to the camera without taking out either the camera itself or the crew.
Trust me on this, when you've done one successful flyby, you'll want to do 'em over and over again.
Ric, I would love to see you with a video blog of some kind! ;)
I will say that as much as I am impressed with and love the new shot...there is a part of me that likes the simple hard cuts of the original.
The PT is full of flyby shots just like this. In fact, I believe there are no flyby shots that are made up of two different shots (one shot with a ship coming up towards the camera and the next shot with the ship moving away).
I'm not saying I don't like the new type of shot. I'm not saying the shot can't be effective. In fact, there are some I really like in the PT...it's just something I noticed and I thought it was over used in the PT, IMHO.
Again, I love what Ady did with the shot. Not trying to start anything. :D
Love the new shot, Adywan! :D
vaderios said:
Nice yoda^
A bit here from me to be more close to quarrie's painting mood
-Angel
Angel, want to tackle a few more?
Looks like you could try the TF ship from TPM...or...
Not the best concept pic of Coruscant...there are better ones in color...just couldn't find any.
vaderios said:
Nice yoda^
A bit here from me to be more close to quarrie's painting mood
-Angel
Now THAT is what I'm talking about! Angel, that is now one of my favorites! It's capturing the spirit of the OT! More! ;)
Bingowings said:
It might work better if the viewscreen showed what they are aiming at rather than what they are aiming with.
In ANH the command centre showed a view of Alderaan so perhaps this time it should show the Rebel fleet (or at least their first catch of the day).
Dang you're probably right about this, Bingo. :P
Angel, I think my favorite is the 4th (with Endor). I don't think the 3rd will work because of the angle they are at...unless they are on a star destoryer...? :P you might want to add a few ships! :D
Bingowings said:
The direction of the shot should be sorted without resorting to flipping.
Either film new elements or turn as much of the existing element so the inconsistency isn't so obvious.
I certainly agree there. I think Adywan did that with a few shots in ANH and ESB already...didn't he?
Timstuff said:
The term we learned in film school is "crossing the axis," which is when the audience's eyes are moving in one direction, when suddenly they are forced to move in another. It's something that we should try to avoid, which is why sometimes a director will opt to flip a shot even if it means inconsistencies. An error like a strap on the wrong side of a character is a minor nuisance compared to how badly crossing the axis takes the viewer out of the experience.
What he said! :P Yeah, I should probably read up more on my film terminology! :D
Thanks for the feedback on the video guys! Even though it would still need more sound work, I love that the music is now very clear and not so muddy like it originally was. :P
