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Hey Bob, have you seen this edit before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhmdoI0wYC0&playnext_from=TL&videos=bNeuN48Eyc8

It's definantly interesting to see...I'm not sure how I feel about some of the cuts...but it feels a little more energetic. And some of the weird choreography is gone! :D

Another thought...are you looking at altering when Dooku flings Obi-wan into the railing? It's very um...CGI, ya know? not sure what would need to happen....it might look better if you could have Obiwan moving just a tad slower at first...then speed him up as he hits the railing? Also it might help to bring Obiwan slightly into the shadows as he passes right by the camera...I mean, that would most likely happen had they actually filmed it, right ;)

Question:

What do you guys think about adding General Grievous to Geonosis? He could actually be giving orders in the battle.

I guess I just don't like how he comes out of nowhere in ROTS...

Thoughts?

Sevb32 said:

Darth Cadavra said:

Dooku didn't want her dead for his own reasons.  Nute Gunray did - he made her death one of his conditions for joining the Separatists, and Dooku obliged.

 THIS

 This is still stupid because Gunray joins anyway without Padme being killed.  ???

This is just plain awesome!

One idea: Can you cut Sidious saying "I suggest..." Since when does the dark lord of the Sith SUGGEST anything? lol  Just have him say: "General Grievous...move the seperatists leaders to the..."

Bingowings said:

Lots to love in this SSWR.

I'm not sure if Obi-Wan would be so flippant about an unfortunate hot pursuit caused loss of life though. I was thinking more knocks and near misses than actual crashes...(the poor sods who die when the Anakin bashes into the control tower in ROTS might have been realistic but I'm sure that Anakin and Obi-Wan weren't cracking a joke about it).

Yes I think you're right about this. The last thing we need is for it to look like the Jedi don't care about others! ;)

Some of the music changes I like...not too keen on "Here They Come" being used in this context (I was a bit miffed when it was used so freely in the Jabba sail barge scene).

Yeah, when it comes to music i'm very impatient about picking out cues. I usually just slap it in there because I don't know what I'm doing! :P

The changeling face is something that should be removed all together (hasn't this been done in a fan edit already...or did I dream it?).

Yeah I think I've seen that somehwere. Totally agree. I just don't have a great way of pulling this off right now...

Nice to see a more sympathetic Anakin all by removing the second shouty line (he isn't a complete nut job here).

Yes I've seen this done before and I loved it. Had to cut it too! ;)

The bar isn't really missed (though it does add a bit of detail to city life it's not a location where anything pertinent to the story takes place) but we are still left with a Fett who needn't have been there (a bounty hunter hiring a bounty hunter seems a bit daft).

I can't see a way around that other than having Fett track Sam earlier and try to bump her off as a rival for the bounty.

Maybe he could fire and miss just before she makes her escape bid in her speeder.

Still great work and full of ideas.

 

 Hmm...that could work. As far as Zam dying it could be due to the car crash (or lightsaber wound)...

Thanks for the great feedback!

ben_danger said:

awesome video SSWR! love the reduction of the fall, and the music additions too. did i detect some recoloring?

 Ha! no recoloring...I tried in a couple of shots but it didn't work out very well...don't know what I'm doing there either! :P

brash_stryker said:

SSWR, I've been toying with this idea yesterday myself, almost frame for frame. How weird!

I'd previously cut it the same as the Phantom Editor (they just follow Zam to the club) but I've started thinking that excising ALL the action from that scene was a bad choice, so decided to keep Anakin jumping down (only making it a more plausible distance)

Great minds eh!

 Yeah I agree. There are some great pieces to keep there. Can't wait to see your version! :D

brash_stryker said:

I should probably clarify that the way I've cut it is almost the same as yours but the main difference is that it doesn't have anakin's head and the speeder in the foreground during Zam's speeder's flyby (which I'd considered doing, but didn't know how and had no idea it could possibly look as good as that!)

Where did you grab the foreground shot from? Was it composited/keyframed in with after effects?

 I did it all with photoshop and premiere. I think I just found the biggest peice of the speeder I could find (regardless of what angle) and used that! Thanks for the feedback on that particular shot...I wondered if I had pulled it off! :D

Thanks again guys!

vaderios said:

Well Obi is a wise jedi.. he could say"Oh dear" or "so uncivilized"..

Like that he sounded like an ass with no emotions for the two guys just died.

 

-Angel

 lol yeah I thought of that too...but I couldn't really find a good replacement line. "Oh dear" from ROTS would work well...but I think he should sort of be yelling the line...and he's not in ROTS.

vaderios said:

Master of of your kind SSWR!

I m really impressed how you manage you apply all the ideas so awesomely done! And how you change the mood of the poor editing to a masterpiece!

You are too kind, Angel! :)

I love the shot of the foreground head of anaking sees the spaceship from below. No Falling!! :D

Yeah, I was hoping that shot looked alright. I just wanted us to follow Anakins thinking a little more. And yes he still falls but it's just a few feet I guess. It's alot more believable fall now. I hope! :D

I love the no bar concept! really tights the things up.

This particular edit won't be for everybody. I do like how you can build some great tension in the nightclub...but it always seems to drag a bit.

Any change obi or anie actually runs away trying to catch jango? At least trying? :P

Hmm...nice idea...not sure how that would work-...although if you were thinking about cutting/rearranging all of the Kamino stuff...you could then have it start to rain on corucsant, Obiwan goes after Jango, and part of that fight takes place there instead of Kamino.  just a thought...

A question. Obi said: that was shoot? when the two cars colliding?(one more great idea :D)

He says "That was good!"  I took that line from when they went through the power coupling thingy and got electocuted.

Thanks again, Angel!

Here's my attempt at the speeder chase from AOTC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvBR0tcqBOI

Sorry, Bingowings, I tried making it Anakin that jumps out the window instead...but I just couln't do enough with the footage to make it work...maybe some day Adywan can pull it off... ;)

Thanks for the feedback guys...and thanks for the link to JasonN's edit, TV's Frink. Very helpful indeed.

I'll see if I can clarify:

At least for now, I'm not going to bother with TPM. I'm not saying I don't like the ideas presented by Bingowings, but I'm not ready to edit anything from TPM. lol Dooku has lost faith in the Jedi but still uses the force to his advantage. Dooku is honest. No more lies or creating mistrust. Instead it should be obvious what he wants. He knows about the Sith being involved but doesn't believe it will do any good to go after them-

...hmmm that sounds stupid. This is where it's getting frustrating. I don't know if I can really achieve this idea. If he actually does want to go after the Sith to destroy them...why doesn't he? Instead he kidnaps Palps. This isn't logical. But IF I simply cut the line about him wanting to destroy the Sith how will Dooku achieve his goals? And what exactly are his goals? Forgive me, Bingowings, if you've communicated Dookus goals already...it's a bit hard for me to wrap my mind around some of these ideas you've presented. :)

Thanks for reading...hopefully I don't sound too much like an idiot! ;)

Great stuff Bingowings! So do the seperatists actually want anything? What are their demands? "The republic will agree to any demands we make." - Dooku - AOTC

OK I'm really wanting to tackle the handful of scenes Dooku is in with AOTC and maybe ROTS. I really want to attempt having Dooku being a rogue Jedi.

So my big ideas (so far) are these:

- Make Dooku the leader of this whole thing. Have him be a disgruntled Jedi who wants to make peace for the republic. He thinks the Jedi are not really doing their job at keeping peace and wants to do it his own way.

- Don't have him involved with Sidious. That just confuses the audience and, since he won't be a Sith it would be pointless.

-No "...we will destroy the Sith!" line. Why? Well, if he is a rogue Jedi, we never see him go after any Sith.

- Nute came to him for help and that is what he thinks he is doing.

- He's not big on killing...but when obi-wan and anakin close in on him he's ready to fight.

Thoughts so far?

vaderios said:

sans_fi said:

That would mean changing many many many lights on couple of shots...

Also, that arrival serves to introduce the planet aswell. And this planet isnt really as recognisable as Hoth or Tatooine. Utapau is Utapau because of its colours. If you have it at night... well, when Obiwan arrives there you might need to introduce it again :D

The idea is to cut as much of the landing shots as possible.

So after that shot a good cut is to be when griev exits the elevator. I will bother make the backdrop with the ship with no sun.

And thats the point. Where grievous is going? its a mystery... We listen after that he is hidind in the utapau system..hmm lets investigate. so behind obi wan we see the planet :)

-Angel~8 days left~

 Excellent points Angel. Agreed.  ;)

Good stuff there Angel! I would still prefer it if you might be able to remove more than just the ships. ? The PT is just stuffed with millions of little things in every image...if you could find a way to tone it down...simplify it...that would be good...In my opinion, Utapau should be more desolate. It reminds me of tatooine. It's a sinkhole planet. It should give you the impression that not alot of beings live/survive here. It's a "remote sanctuary" if you will.

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That's a great idea, sans_fi!

Another idea is to have the conversation with Obiwan simply parked on the platform. Why should he take off yet? He doesn't know where to go. Then once Bail gives him the coordinates you could should Obiwan taking off from the platform (one of my favorite shots by-the-way)! ;)

mrbenja0618 said:

I use to be on board with the idea of Dooku just being a rogue Jedi... Well, I still love the idea...I even went as far as doing lightsaber tests. http://vimeo.com/7070492

But through my tinkering I decided there isn't enough to back that idea up. There should be a "Aha" moment where the Jedi realize Dooku was right all along, but there isn't... The only way this TRULY works is if this scene exists. And by forcing it like I was trying to do only makes the Jedi look even stupider that they NEVER acknowledge the truth about Dooku. Am I wrong?

 Hmmm...Perhaps there might be a place in ROTS where we could peice together a line for Obi-wan: "Dooku was right all along."   ?

OK, I've seen this done before in an edit or two but I thought I'd suggest it:

Dooku's line "I've been looking forward to this." should be moved up to right *before* they actually begin to battle. It doesn't make as much sense for him to say it during the battle. again my 2 cents...

brash_stryker said:

Taking your ideas on board :)

In regards to the goodmusician thread, I'm wondering 2 things:

1. If the arena music you use in your youtube clip is from AOTC, where did goodmusician get it? It's not on the soundtrack cd to my knowledge.

2. Is there any way of you getting them uploaded anywhere so that I may have them? :)

A couple of other things I'm wondering if you noticed about my clip: 

1. Anakin now tames the beast with a mind trick (the force theme plays)

2. If you ignore the direction of the deflected bolts in a few frames (which I intend to change), Kit Fisto now plays tennis with another jedi, who then deflects it towards Gunray.

Thoughts?

I've since changed the clip in a few ways, but intend to implement your suggestions if I can.

 You'll have to forgive my slow responses...I only have internet at work right now.

I'll see what I can do to upload them this week...

I didn't notice the deflecting of the bolt! very nice!

Another thought I've had about rearranging shots in the battle is this: since you intend to replace all of the sound effects in this scene you should take every oppertunity to rethink where every shot is placed within the battle. the original version is very chaotic. there's no real build up to the jedi being surrounded. there no real thought as to where the characters are or how the battle is progressing. an example i thought of is: obiwan killing the green monster thingy. he kills it towards the end of the battle. my thought is "wouldn't obiwan kill this monster sooner? it's just getting in the way." I mean, that's MY thought process...but you get the idea. another: "Would Nute Gunray be hanging around once the jedi arrive?" ;)

thanks fishmanlee for finding the "cue"  ;)

brash_stryker said:

 

Also, is there a thread here about Goodmusician's tracks?

Yes! Well I was gonna post the link but I see you've found it! :D

Yeah, Dooku's a rogue Jedi. If you notice, I've put his unhappy reaction from Jango's beheading when Padme gets scratched by the Nexu.

 I did indeed notice...that was why I asked. I thought if he was going to be a Sith than this inserted shot would really be out of place. But since he is a rogue Jedi this makes some sense.

Maybe I can cut it so that Anakin on the reek comes in the nick of time before the Nexu goes back up to finish her off.

Yeah that could work..hmm

the only other thing I might suggest is putting that geonosian cannon thingy further into the battle so it feels like the Jedi are getting wiped out towards the end of the battle...not the beginning. I know that kind of messes with the continuity of the pillars of smoke in the background...but IMO it will better help the battle build towards a climax. my 2 cents

I'll see if I can find that cue once I'm home...

About the arena cut:

-question: is dooku a sith? rouge jedi? I can't remember...

-Padme's swing down to the nexu is better...I still would personally cut it altogether...it's a little too...bad ass...? she's starting to look too Jedi-like in her abilites... but maybe that's just me...

-yeah definantly look at fixing padmes jump off

-new jedi reveal with new music works great!

-there's proabably not a great way around this but mace is all smoky! lol ;)

more too come...

vaderios said:

Just testing..

Removing as much of the yellow this battle has :)

Fancy that the only "masks" i used was for the SD engine.. :P

I Promised to SSWR that someday i will find a way work on those shots :)

 

-Angel

 Nice! Now to make it feel more OT just remove about half of the ships and bring those stars out from the background! ;)

A few thoughts on the lastest video...

Space battle is great! I love the edits you here...it helps move everything along and is more focused.

I don't pick up on the colors as much as others do...but I can tell some of the blues are gone and it looks quite good.

No battle droid voices! yay! :D

I personally would cut Anakin's "I sense count dooku" line. Although it makes sense that they would sense him...it's a little more dramatic once dooku appears. Plus the first villian we actually see is GG...so it's a bit confusing. my 2 cents. ;)

No coughing GG! yay!

Heck, I don't know if GG's line about Dooku is needed either. It's just something I'm considering right now. maybe you could exchange it for another line...

If you could extend Dookus first shot (with him bringing down his lightsaber) by a few frames (at the end) I think it would look alot better. It's just a little too fast...I feel it doesn't quite have enough time for our eyes to register the whole shot. again my 2 cents...

The door looks great!

Looking great!

Sorry for the delay! Yes that very last bit is from ANH. I wish I could tell you where exactly...I've forgotten.  :(  And yes it was goodmusicans version he released a while back that I used.

Hey the arena is coming together quite nicely! I don't have time to go into specifics right now...but it looks good! I'm so glad Jango isn't there  ;)

brash_stryker said:

You'll see what I mean when I post a clip. You'll also see that I've shamelessly stolen a lot of ideas from SSWR :P

 Steal away! ;)

I actually had another idea for that scene:

To make Padme a little more human once the battle starts: cut her jumping on that animal and riding it with anakin in the drivers seat. instead, once the battle begins, show the cart falling over and Padme running to immediatly take cover in it. I know Lucas wanted to make her strong in battle...but really? she's just gonna shoot at anything and expect the Jedi to cover her? not very clear thinking. She should take cover wherever she can. You could then show anakin seeing her in the cart and he could then run over to protect her from there. make sense?