Here's my attempt at the speeder chase from AOTC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvBR0tcqBOI
Sorry, Bingowings, I tried making it Anakin that jumps out the window instead...but I just couln't do enough with the footage to make it work...maybe some day Adywan can pull it off... ;)
Thanks for the feedback guys...and thanks for the link to JasonN's edit, TV's Frink. Very helpful indeed.
I'll see if I can clarify:
At least for now, I'm not going to bother with TPM. I'm not saying I don't like the ideas presented by Bingowings, but I'm not ready to edit anything from TPM. lol Dooku has lost faith in the Jedi but still uses the force to his advantage. Dooku is honest. No more lies or creating mistrust. Instead it should be obvious what he wants. He knows about the Sith being involved but doesn't believe it will do any good to go after them-
...hmmm that sounds stupid. This is where it's getting frustrating. I don't know if I can really achieve this idea. If he actually does want to go after the Sith to destroy them...why doesn't he? Instead he kidnaps Palps. This isn't logical. But IF I simply cut the line about him wanting to destroy the Sith how will Dooku achieve his goals? And what exactly are his goals? Forgive me, Bingowings, if you've communicated Dookus goals already...it's a bit hard for me to wrap my mind around some of these ideas you've presented. :)
Thanks for reading...hopefully I don't sound too much like an idiot! ;)
Great stuff Bingowings! So do the seperatists actually want anything? What are their demands? "The republic will agree to any demands we make." - Dooku - AOTC
OK I'm really wanting to tackle the handful of scenes Dooku is in with AOTC and maybe ROTS. I really want to attempt having Dooku being a rogue Jedi.
So my big ideas (so far) are these:
- Make Dooku the leader of this whole thing. Have him be a disgruntled Jedi who wants to make peace for the republic. He thinks the Jedi are not really doing their job at keeping peace and wants to do it his own way.
- Don't have him involved with Sidious. That just confuses the audience and, since he won't be a Sith it would be pointless.
-No "...we will destroy the Sith!" line. Why? Well, if he is a rogue Jedi, we never see him go after any Sith.
- Nute came to him for help and that is what he thinks he is doing.
- He's not big on killing...but when obi-wan and anakin close in on him he's ready to fight.
Thoughts so far?
vaderios said:
sans_fi said:
That would mean changing many many many lights on couple of shots...
Also, that arrival serves to introduce the planet aswell. And this planet isnt really as recognisable as Hoth or Tatooine. Utapau is Utapau because of its colours. If you have it at night... well, when Obiwan arrives there you might need to introduce it again :D
The idea is to cut as much of the landing shots as possible.
So after that shot a good cut is to be when griev exits the elevator. I will bother make the backdrop with the ship with no sun.
And thats the point. Where grievous is going? its a mystery... We listen after that he is hidind in the utapau system..hmm lets investigate. so behind obi wan we see the planet :)
-Angel~8 days left~
Excellent points Angel. Agreed. ;)
Good stuff there Angel! I would still prefer it if you might be able to remove more than just the ships. ? The PT is just stuffed with millions of little things in every image...if you could find a way to tone it down...simplify it...that would be good...In my opinion, Utapau should be more desolate. It reminds me of tatooine. It's a sinkhole planet. It should give you the impression that not alot of beings live/survive here. It's a "remote sanctuary" if you will.
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That's a great idea, sans_fi!
Another idea is to have the conversation with Obiwan simply parked on the platform. Why should he take off yet? He doesn't know where to go. Then once Bail gives him the coordinates you could should Obiwan taking off from the platform (one of my favorite shots by-the-way)! ;)
mrbenja0618 said:
I use to be on board with the idea of Dooku just being a rogue Jedi... Well, I still love the idea...I even went as far as doing lightsaber tests. http://vimeo.com/7070492
But through my tinkering I decided there isn't enough to back that idea up. There should be a "Aha" moment where the Jedi realize Dooku was right all along, but there isn't... The only way this TRULY works is if this scene exists. And by forcing it like I was trying to do only makes the Jedi look even stupider that they NEVER acknowledge the truth about Dooku. Am I wrong?
Hmmm...Perhaps there might be a place in ROTS where we could peice together a line for Obi-wan: "Dooku was right all along." ?
OK, I've seen this done before in an edit or two but I thought I'd suggest it:
Dooku's line "I've been looking forward to this." should be moved up to right *before* they actually begin to battle. It doesn't make as much sense for him to say it during the battle. again my 2 cents...
brash_stryker said:
Taking your ideas on board :)
In regards to the goodmusician thread, I'm wondering 2 things:
1. If the arena music you use in your youtube clip is from AOTC, where did goodmusician get it? It's not on the soundtrack cd to my knowledge.
2. Is there any way of you getting them uploaded anywhere so that I may have them? :)
A couple of other things I'm wondering if you noticed about my clip:
1. Anakin now tames the beast with a mind trick (the force theme plays)
2. If you ignore the direction of the deflected bolts in a few frames (which I intend to change), Kit Fisto now plays tennis with another jedi, who then deflects it towards Gunray.
Thoughts?
I've since changed the clip in a few ways, but intend to implement your suggestions if I can.
You'll have to forgive my slow responses...I only have internet at work right now.
I'll see what I can do to upload them this week...
I didn't notice the deflecting of the bolt! very nice!
Another thought I've had about rearranging shots in the battle is this: since you intend to replace all of the sound effects in this scene you should take every oppertunity to rethink where every shot is placed within the battle. the original version is very chaotic. there's no real build up to the jedi being surrounded. there no real thought as to where the characters are or how the battle is progressing. an example i thought of is: obiwan killing the green monster thingy. he kills it towards the end of the battle. my thought is "wouldn't obiwan kill this monster sooner? it's just getting in the way." I mean, that's MY thought process...but you get the idea. another: "Would Nute Gunray be hanging around once the jedi arrive?" ;)
thanks fishmanlee for finding the "cue" ;)
brash_stryker said:
Also, is there a thread here about Goodmusician's tracks?
Yes! Well I was gonna post the link but I see you've found it! :D
Yeah, Dooku's a rogue Jedi. If you notice, I've put his unhappy reaction from Jango's beheading when Padme gets scratched by the Nexu.
I did indeed notice...that was why I asked. I thought if he was going to be a Sith than this inserted shot would really be out of place. But since he is a rogue Jedi this makes some sense.
Maybe I can cut it so that Anakin on the reek comes in the nick of time before the Nexu goes back up to finish her off.
Yeah that could work..hmm
the only other thing I might suggest is putting that geonosian cannon thingy further into the battle so it feels like the Jedi are getting wiped out towards the end of the battle...not the beginning. I know that kind of messes with the continuity of the pillars of smoke in the background...but IMO it will better help the battle build towards a climax. my 2 cents
I'll see if I can find that cue once I'm home...
About the arena cut:
-question: is dooku a sith? rouge jedi? I can't remember...
-Padme's swing down to the nexu is better...I still would personally cut it altogether...it's a little too...bad ass...? she's starting to look too Jedi-like in her abilites... but maybe that's just me...
-yeah definantly look at fixing padmes jump off
-new jedi reveal with new music works great!
-there's proabably not a great way around this but mace is all smoky! lol ;)
more too come...
vaderios said:
Just testing..
Removing as much of the yellow this battle has :)
Fancy that the only "masks" i used was for the SD engine.. :P
I Promised to SSWR that someday i will find a way work on those shots :)
-Angel
Nice! Now to make it feel more OT just remove about half of the ships and bring those stars out from the background! ;)
A few thoughts on the lastest video...
Space battle is great! I love the edits you here...it helps move everything along and is more focused.
I don't pick up on the colors as much as others do...but I can tell some of the blues are gone and it looks quite good.
No battle droid voices! yay! :D
I personally would cut Anakin's "I sense count dooku" line. Although it makes sense that they would sense him...it's a little more dramatic once dooku appears. Plus the first villian we actually see is GG...so it's a bit confusing. my 2 cents. ;)
No coughing GG! yay!
Heck, I don't know if GG's line about Dooku is needed either. It's just something I'm considering right now. maybe you could exchange it for another line...
If you could extend Dookus first shot (with him bringing down his lightsaber) by a few frames (at the end) I think it would look alot better. It's just a little too fast...I feel it doesn't quite have enough time for our eyes to register the whole shot. again my 2 cents...
The door looks great!
Looking great!
Sorry for the delay! Yes that very last bit is from ANH. I wish I could tell you where exactly...I've forgotten. :( And yes it was goodmusicans version he released a while back that I used.
Hey the arena is coming together quite nicely! I don't have time to go into specifics right now...but it looks good! I'm so glad Jango isn't there ;)
brash_stryker said:
You'll see what I mean when I post a clip. You'll also see that I've shamelessly stolen a lot of ideas from SSWR :P
Steal away! ;)
I actually had another idea for that scene:
To make Padme a little more human once the battle starts: cut her jumping on that animal and riding it with anakin in the drivers seat. instead, once the battle begins, show the cart falling over and Padme running to immediatly take cover in it. I know Lucas wanted to make her strong in battle...but really? she's just gonna shoot at anything and expect the Jedi to cover her? not very clear thinking. She should take cover wherever she can. You could then show anakin seeing her in the cart and he could then run over to protect her from there. make sense?
Yes...definantly no hologram! :D
Bingowings said:
The way I see Force precognition is it's a bit like having a library of every book you might want to read.
You have access to all the choices but you can only pick a few books at a time and while you might be able guarantee to chose something somewhat useful if you had to do it quickly you may not pick the best choice for that moment in time.
Only through meditating on the choices can you pick the best book for the task at hand.
If you are master librarian you could put your hands on the right book with great speed and may even have much of it's contents committed to memory.
I love this too ;)
zombie84 said:
I don't think Jedi precognition extends to such specific, instantaneous matters in the middle of an action scene. It's really like "I sense bad stuff will happen sometime soon." Not, "I will grab on to the droid and the droid will support my weight and when the assassin with the sniper rifle and perfect aim shoots she will shoot the droid and not my face and when I freefall 70 storys I will gently land in the passenger seat of Anakin's speeder." Otherwise Jedi would be pretty much invincible.
lol! I love that! :D
brash_stryker said:
Weird, I had an ex from the U.S and she thought me saying pavement was weird.
Anyway, I've just been wowed by SSWR's latest videos on youtube and it's making me want to get this done so I can move on to ROTS now :p
Absolutely excellent work.
Wow thanks! I hope at least some ideas are doable! :D
Monroville said:
No problemo, SSWR!
Regarding "the troopers versus Leia" scene (I may have mentioned this already), I don't know what you could do with it. Some ideas:
(1) just cut it out. I know it was supposed to be a flip on the EMPIRE scene, but it just comes across as a lazy flip on the EMPIRE scene. I would replace the "laser graze to the arm" with an actual explosion (a little more to the right of the screen) so Leia takes a schrapnel hit as opposed to a poorly aimed laser blast. Then it could just segway to the Scout Walker approaching them. That way you have R2 hit, Leia hit and now comes the SW for the kill; the dramatic tension could really work as opposed to having the "I wuv you; I know" bit let out the steam.
(2) if there was a way to alter the scene so instead of saying "freeze" and all that jive, have the troopers say something to the effect of: "It's the princess! She has a bounty on her head!" or "My brothers were on the last Death Star...I've been waiting for this for a long time." Leia:"Yes, I bet you have (which could be done by keeping the shot on the troopers, but adding an out-of-focus stand in for Carrie Fisher [as we are looking over her shoulder, so we'd see part of her head, say on the right side of the screen] and have someone who sounds like CF dub the line, so you don't see her face or mouth when the words are spoken)." followed with FISTFUL OF DOLLARS type shot where you can see the blaster in the foreground as she/it shoots both troopers, followed with Han's look (being that it would implicate that she now has a bit of the scoundrel in her now).
Hmmm...I really like idea #1. That could be doable...I think. ;)
Not as fond of idea #2...it just seems a little-...hard to say why...it seems too complicated to pull off...but hey! just about anything is better than what is there! ;P
Monroville said:
I like what you have there SSWR. I still wish that the Obi scene gets cut out altogether and this is where the "sister" reveal is. I would almost get rid of the Leia part where she says "I know.. somehow I've always known." I would rather see her stay a bit in silence to show how stunned she is rather than (shrugs shoulders) "yeah, I figured as much", as well as cut out the 2nd quick Han looking on. I think it would flow a lot nicer to show Luke and Leia in the far shot, Luke leave offscreen and then Han enters and says the "you love him, don't you?" line (seeing him the one time is enough to establish that he is, and has, been listening the whole time).
Well, I don't disagree that there is some stuff that could be edited here...but something I kept in the back of my mind was Adywan once said (if I'm remembering correctly) he wanted to keep this scene as is. So for the most part it is the same. I know this thread isn't just for Adywan but that has usually been my goal to incorperate any ideas Ady has thrown out there.
Overall, excellent concept.. though what would you do at the end (when Leia reveals the "but he's my brother" bit)?
Hadn't thought that far ahead ;) Maybe just cut all of their lines and just show them kissing.
UNFINISHED JEDI BITS:
Part 1: I really like the idea of actually using the rebel disguised as a Scout Trooper, though I would change the "reactor leak" line (which, forget about a nod to Han's bit in the detention block) is rather silly, as the reactor is BEHIND them in the bunker. Better to have a more angry, active voice say something like: "We've spotted the rebels! They're heading this way!"
Totally agree with you there. I didn't think through that line too much.
Part 2: could work, but I would probably put the droids even farther back, so it would be conceivable that the troops could be taken out without being noticed.
that could work too. hmm
Part 3: eh... I understand it's a quickie, but I still hate the "you're shooting to kill, but we're going to say "freeze"?!?" bits from the troopers.
Yes. Agreed. Plus the "any last words you rebel scum?" is kind of a lame line.
Overall, good stuff! If anything JEDI:R is going to be a LOOOOOT of work....
Also agreed! Thanks though! :D
Just in case you didn't see it yet I posted two more videos concerning my ROTJ Fan-O-Matic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QllfLjfRhAk&feature=PlayList&p=E688FB3C9E4D2FA3&playnext_from=PL&index=7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-gQxqrBSic&feature=PlayList&p=E688FB3C9E4D2FA3&playnext_from=PL&index=8
And for now that is all, my friends. Sorry to say that it ends with some lackluster scenes and clips. But I need a break from editing star wars...I'll still be around...but at least for now I won't be doing more mockups. :D
