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vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

just a few ideas for TPM when Padme meets Anakin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pRGItz8vE

Does it matter?

I really cant wait to see a final edit of yours! I really really really love what you did there. Its amazing how awesome can some re arangements can do so big impact!

Great work again as always :D

 

-Angel

 Ha! Well thanks Angel. I don't think I'll ever get around to doing a full blown edit...but thank you!

Nicholas J. Michalak said:

Here's my opening for TPM.  Should prove interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWio0Bbu5lE

-NJM

 I really like this! Yes the smoke from the explosion works extremely well. I do wonder if any of the lines from our Jedi are missed...hmm...It would be cool if you could show the Jedi having their conversation as they are getting ready to exit the ship. But that could prove difficult.  ;)

brash_stryker said:

I'm aware that there's a problem with the multiple lightsaber ignitions accompanying Jackson's line in the centre channel

 I think that would be the biggest issue...i wonder if they'll ever get around to windu on the soundboards....hmmm....

just a few ideas for TPM when Padme meets Anakin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pRGItz8vE

I'm a bit on the fence on this as well. I always thought it was just for Maul til ROTS came around.

It does add a little more emotion...you get the sense of what is happening inside Anakin...which helps because Anakin always looks pissed off anyway.  ;)

But it still sort of seems like a gimick...I don't know...lol

Posted on youtube by me:

Yes! I'm really digging the colors here! Indeed it does feel a bit more OT...and it also has that "bad guys in ugly places" vibe you're going for!  ;)

Another thought: What do you think about getting rid of R2 having that spasm of his? I guess it's suppose to be a distraction...but aren't the Jedi fast enough to get the sabers back anyway?

Bingowings said:

The only possible use I can see for those scenes would be in a redub.

Nute could make a last ditch attempt to beg for mercy from the new Emperor or still threaten to expose the truth in vain.

Palpatine could then assure the Viceroy that he will be 'taken care of'.

 Hmmm....I hate just cutting a scene out....this could work well...  ;)

But still, Nute is talking it up with Sidious like old friends by hologram in ROTS: "The plan has gone as you had promised, my lord." or something like that...  WTH? I guess you could remove that too...?

Another question that comes up in ROTS is when did Nute start listening to and obeying Sidious again? Or was that another lie from Dooku?

"But he was betrayed ten years ago by the dark lord. He came to me for help. He told me everything."

If so, that line will have to be removed or reworked somehow...so frustrating...

I vote white also!  :D

And the red sabers are interesting indeed. I like loosing that dead Jedi saber concept that didn't do much for me...

Although, I thought I'd throw another idea out there for you to consider...I came up with this a while ago...the basic idea is that GG is indeed a coward and runs from the Jedi as often as he can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIaygRjw7l4

bobgarcia74 said:

First thing, thanks for the kind words.

The reason for the switch in the lines was because originaly the conversation starts on a high note, goes bad in the middle , and finishes on a typical high note while they hug. The way it is originaly, nothing other than the fact that Padme's pregnant comes from this conversation. We already know they have a forbidden love thing going on. So originaly this scene is a big waste of time.

The way I edited it, It starts on a bad note. (Anakins reaction to the baby). So now the high note in the middle doesn't seem so high at all. (Them discussing what there gonna do, and Anakin tossing all there worries aside.) And then the whole scene ends on a real bad note, (Anakin letting his lust get the best of him, even after all they just talked about. And Padme having to back him off of her.) Better for this conversation to end bad, leaving questions about these two.

So the way its edited now gives us more insite to the fact that Anakin is slowly gaining more Dark Side thoughts after his ordeal on  the Invisible Hand. Selfishness, lust. He hears what he wants, and blocks out the bad.

More character development the way I did it. Least thats what I think. 8)

 And btw snicket, I love the flares, looking good.

 Thanks so much for your take on this scene! :D

After reading your thoughts and rewatching the scene I think I agree with you on this move. (not that you need my approval  lol)

I think my original concern was that the baby gets lost in the converstaion...but I don't know if it's really a bad thing...it's not like we as the audience forget about the baby!  ;)

One of the reasons I've brought these series of subjects up is that I recently realized that there is a great opportunity in AOTC to add some compassion and more clarity on the role of the Jedi. Once the Jedi are surrounded in the arena the dialogue exchange between Dooku and Windu could be reworked if, once again, Windu is redubbed.

It could go something like:

-Jedi are surrounded

-Dooku stops the droids

Mace: Dooku! I know we haven't seen eye to eye in the past. However, you know we only want peace and justice in this situation! The senate is preparing an army even as we speak. Can't we work out a solution?

Dooku: I'm sorry old friend.

-Before anyone can act, republic ships fly down and start shooting

So I don't know...something like that....thoughts?

Thanks for the ideas guys.   ...hmmm...

Well, I can see both TheoOdo and Bingowings ideas working.

TheoOdo, I remember a while back when you posted that idea along with the opening scene from TPM with new lines for the Neimodians. I still love this and I might even get around to trying a version of it some day. It set up the Jedi really really well.

Bingowings, I could get behind this idea too. We would just need to figure out new/altered dialouge for Dooku and Friends.

Well...I'll sit on it for a while...  ;)

OK, so I'm still thinking about AOTC and here's my question:

What do the seperatists want?!! Dooku says: "The republic will agree to any demands we make." Are they just gonna sit around and come up with random demands?  "I demand that...um...Palpatine...should...dance a jig on top of the Senate building...holding...a...duck!"

That was my attempt at some humor. I'm sorry.

But seriously, I'm trying to make Dooku a rogue Jedi here and I need to be able to explain his (and the seperatists) motivations. Maybe we could add a line or two by Nute in the meeting Obi-wan overhears...we've already talked about redubbing him anyway.

Thoughts?

Octorox said:

Why is everyone so against dream sequences :/ its a lot more efficient than having Anakin explain everything he's feeling to Padme. I'd keep the dream sequence but after Anakin wakes up I'd have him leave the room, Padme notices and looks worried, and then wipe to the next scene in the jedi temple, cutting out the balcony convo. That way it's ambiguous where he's going. He could be going to Palpatine for all we know.

Actually he could go straight to Yoda. That would make sense. He needs answers about his dream so he quickly goes to Yoda...although I DO hate alot of the dialogue in that scene... lol

brash_stryker said:

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm certainly going to try. And I do actually have a few ideas ;)

And if I'm going to be redubbing this part, it's only natural I take full advantage and insert new dialogue into the previous Lama Su scene (seeing as I'm cutting all the Sifo Dyas bollocks)

 Sounds good!

vaderios said:

I meant to ask:

Any ideas how the opera CG fest can be toned down or being replaced with some retro ways?

References and ideas would be welcome :)

 

-Angel

 I thought this is what YOU were here for, Angel!  ;)

brash_stryker said:

Nicholas J. Michalak said:

Replacing some of the Kamino Prime Minister's dialogue in the cloning facilities can be easy enough if you can keep that dialogue in cutaways to the clones.  If you don't see him on the screen, you needn't worry about matching his lip movements.  It comes down to the voice matching consistently.  It might be necessary to replace all his dialogue to achieve this if it is that crucial to your edit.

-NJM

It's not the redubbing itself that's problematic, but finding suitable responses from Obi Wan that make sense in regard to what he's being told. Even if I did cobble together responses from Ewan Mcgregor's body of work, there are limited cutaways to work with. Plus the fact we need to cut back to him speaking the original dialogue at least at some point, which makes creating new responses even more problematic as they have to be incorporated between some of his existing responses too and therefore must make sense and flow from one to the other.

Any new dialogue for Lama Su would have to be reverse engineered based on what Ewan Dialogue we'd have to work with, if that makes any sense. And even then, you're extremely limited by the cutaways and have to take the original dialogue into account when choosing obi lines......which in turn affects the lama su lines. Yeah, it's pretty confusing.

 Yes, what little I have tried of this can prove very difficult to pull off. But I will say it's not impossible. Brash, I might suggest you just start writing something regardless of how you will pull it off. Just start writing. Then, go threw Obi's lines and reaction shots and see if it's possible. If you get stuck I might be able to give you somr suggestions.... what do you think? :)

Darth Cadavra said:

This is still stupid because Gunray joins anyway without Padme being killed.  ???

Maybe he wasn't expecting the Republic to come to Geonosis, and figured that once the war broke out and they found out about his presence there, he was already in too deep to back out?

 Yeah I had sort of thought of that after I typed it up...but still it would've helped for him to have some sort of line that expressed that, ya know?

Hey Bob, have you seen this edit before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhmdoI0wYC0&playnext_from=TL&videos=bNeuN48Eyc8

It's definantly interesting to see...I'm not sure how I feel about some of the cuts...but it feels a little more energetic. And some of the weird choreography is gone! :D

Another thought...are you looking at altering when Dooku flings Obi-wan into the railing? It's very um...CGI, ya know? not sure what would need to happen....it might look better if you could have Obiwan moving just a tad slower at first...then speed him up as he hits the railing? Also it might help to bring Obiwan slightly into the shadows as he passes right by the camera...I mean, that would most likely happen had they actually filmed it, right ;)

Question:

What do you guys think about adding General Grievous to Geonosis? He could actually be giving orders in the battle.

I guess I just don't like how he comes out of nowhere in ROTS...

Thoughts?

Sevb32 said:

Darth Cadavra said:

Dooku didn't want her dead for his own reasons.  Nute Gunray did - he made her death one of his conditions for joining the Separatists, and Dooku obliged.

 THIS

 This is still stupid because Gunray joins anyway without Padme being killed.  ???

This is just plain awesome!

One idea: Can you cut Sidious saying "I suggest..." Since when does the dark lord of the Sith SUGGEST anything? lol  Just have him say: "General Grievous...move the seperatists leaders to the..."

Bingowings said:

Lots to love in this SSWR.

I'm not sure if Obi-Wan would be so flippant about an unfortunate hot pursuit caused loss of life though. I was thinking more knocks and near misses than actual crashes...(the poor sods who die when the Anakin bashes into the control tower in ROTS might have been realistic but I'm sure that Anakin and Obi-Wan weren't cracking a joke about it).

Yes I think you're right about this. The last thing we need is for it to look like the Jedi don't care about others! ;)

Some of the music changes I like...not too keen on "Here They Come" being used in this context (I was a bit miffed when it was used so freely in the Jabba sail barge scene).

Yeah, when it comes to music i'm very impatient about picking out cues. I usually just slap it in there because I don't know what I'm doing! :P

The changeling face is something that should be removed all together (hasn't this been done in a fan edit already...or did I dream it?).

Yeah I think I've seen that somehwere. Totally agree. I just don't have a great way of pulling this off right now...

Nice to see a more sympathetic Anakin all by removing the second shouty line (he isn't a complete nut job here).

Yes I've seen this done before and I loved it. Had to cut it too! ;)

The bar isn't really missed (though it does add a bit of detail to city life it's not a location where anything pertinent to the story takes place) but we are still left with a Fett who needn't have been there (a bounty hunter hiring a bounty hunter seems a bit daft).

I can't see a way around that other than having Fett track Sam earlier and try to bump her off as a rival for the bounty.

Maybe he could fire and miss just before she makes her escape bid in her speeder.

Still great work and full of ideas.

 

 Hmm...that could work. As far as Zam dying it could be due to the car crash (or lightsaber wound)...

Thanks for the great feedback!

ben_danger said:

awesome video SSWR! love the reduction of the fall, and the music additions too. did i detect some recoloring?

 Ha! no recoloring...I tried in a couple of shots but it didn't work out very well...don't know what I'm doing there either! :P

brash_stryker said:

SSWR, I've been toying with this idea yesterday myself, almost frame for frame. How weird!

I'd previously cut it the same as the Phantom Editor (they just follow Zam to the club) but I've started thinking that excising ALL the action from that scene was a bad choice, so decided to keep Anakin jumping down (only making it a more plausible distance)

Great minds eh!

 Yeah I agree. There are some great pieces to keep there. Can't wait to see your version! :D

brash_stryker said:

I should probably clarify that the way I've cut it is almost the same as yours but the main difference is that it doesn't have anakin's head and the speeder in the foreground during Zam's speeder's flyby (which I'd considered doing, but didn't know how and had no idea it could possibly look as good as that!)

Where did you grab the foreground shot from? Was it composited/keyframed in with after effects?

 I did it all with photoshop and premiere. I think I just found the biggest peice of the speeder I could find (regardless of what angle) and used that! Thanks for the feedback on that particular shot...I wondered if I had pulled it off! :D

Thanks again guys!

vaderios said:

Well Obi is a wise jedi.. he could say"Oh dear" or "so uncivilized"..

Like that he sounded like an ass with no emotions for the two guys just died.

 

-Angel

 lol yeah I thought of that too...but I couldn't really find a good replacement line. "Oh dear" from ROTS would work well...but I think he should sort of be yelling the line...and he's not in ROTS.

vaderios said:

Master of of your kind SSWR!

I m really impressed how you manage you apply all the ideas so awesomely done! And how you change the mood of the poor editing to a masterpiece!

You are too kind, Angel! :)

I love the shot of the foreground head of anaking sees the spaceship from below. No Falling!! :D

Yeah, I was hoping that shot looked alright. I just wanted us to follow Anakins thinking a little more. And yes he still falls but it's just a few feet I guess. It's alot more believable fall now. I hope! :D

I love the no bar concept! really tights the things up.

This particular edit won't be for everybody. I do like how you can build some great tension in the nightclub...but it always seems to drag a bit.

Any change obi or anie actually runs away trying to catch jango? At least trying? :P

Hmm...nice idea...not sure how that would work-...although if you were thinking about cutting/rearranging all of the Kamino stuff...you could then have it start to rain on corucsant, Obiwan goes after Jango, and part of that fight takes place there instead of Kamino.  just a thought...

A question. Obi said: that was shoot? when the two cars colliding?(one more great idea :D)

He says "That was good!"  I took that line from when they went through the power coupling thingy and got electocuted.

Thanks again, Angel!