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SilverKey said:

Nicholas J. Michalak said:

I removed Clieg's lines mainly because he's essentially a character I'm indifferent to.  He has all of two or three scenes in all of the saga, and is never mentioned again.  While I get that, yeah, it's a more touching eulogy for Shmi, we forget anything about this guy by the next scene.  He really has little to no emotional impact on the story.

The mass murder confession is gone because it's insulting to Padmé's character.  She is a person dedicated to peaceful, diplomatic, non-violent solutions.  At every turn throughout the prequels, she strongly seeks diplomatic solutions to everything up until there is absolutely no other option available.  So, I cannot accept that she would choose to marry a guy who confesses to murdering men, women, and children out of blind rage and vengeance.  Plus, in ROTS, she is shocked at the thought that Anakin would kill younglings despite knowing that he has already killed men, women, and children in cold blood, previously.  These events make her appear to be moronic, in the least.  I also think, as another fan editor did (don't recall which), that it's perhaps more telling that Anakin would trust this secret with Palpatine more than his own wife (as he mentions it in ROTS after Dooku's death).

The wipe from Anakin bringing his deceased mother home to the funeral was in contention with me.  It does appear odd, but I don't know how well a straight cut would work.  Might just have to cut out earlier.  I'll work in those ideas for removing 3PO's lines.  After hearing Adywan's old radio interview, I think distancing Anakin from C-3PO's origins is a truly intelligent idea.  The big problem is I have no idea how to remove CPO from the final shots of the film.  I do intend to start my own thread, shortly.  Just keep revising my excessively long post covering all three films (which I am editing simultaneously along with a few other films).  Likely, the thread will debut this weekend, if not later tonight.

-NJM

Fair enough about Cliegg's lines. I'd keep them, but this is your edit after all :)

I get your point about Anakin's confession, and I agree completely. What I was saying with my post was that I think it's necessary the scene is kept, just remove him confessing the actual murder. I think we need this scene because Anakin just did something terrible and this scene goes a little deeper into it. It shows Anakin showing remorse for what he did, which is important because without it, it would be even harder to relate to him. Also, this scene brings Anakin and Padme a little closer to each other.

How I would fix this scene is when Padme asks him what is wrong, Anakin could answer with "nothing", taken from one of their ROTS conversations, but underscored with some foreboding music. It might give the scene some subtext.

Concerning the transition between Anakin's arrival at the farm and the funeral: maybe it might work nicely if you pan up to the sky after the arrival, hold it right there for a few seconds, and then pan down again to the funeral. The shots seem pretty much the same, so it might work smoothly.

 Hmmm...I'm having to rethink my position on this. Indeed it would help us relate to anakin more if you used this scene-...obviously re-editted to remove anakin confessing to padme. Still there is some really terrible dialogue in this scene. I'm not sure what could be saved. Maybe a dissolve from anakin taking dead moma into the house to Padme holding Anakin on the floor to another dissolve back outside at the funeral. hmm

Nicholas J. Michalak just posted a clip from his AOTC edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6evtInZvVUg&feature=sub

I thought I'd post a few thoughts on it here:

I'm not a big fan of Anakins lines at the funeral. However, if they are going to say in the movie it would make more sense to switch the lines around:

Anakin (standing): I miss you...so much.

Anakin (falls to his knees): I wasn't strong enough to save you mom...

And continue the scene. The reason the switch would be that the emphasis should be on Anakin "not failing again". Not "I miss you".

I would cut 3POs lines too:

Padme: R2? What are you doing here?

R2: Beep boop whatever...

-Anakin stands next to Padme with interests peaked

-Wipe to next scene

We know R2 has the message. 3PO doesn't have to explain it. I feel like it was written simply for it to be a wink and a nod to ANH.

I like how the other scenes were combind together. The plot still seems to be the crap old plot from the original...so I don't know how much it's going to help.  ;)

I also like how the droids are left behind! :D  Wait. Should R2 be left behind?

Overall great stuff!

vaderios said:

You are master on that, y ' know that?

:D:D:D

 

-Angel

 You are too kind, Angel! :D

Actually, to add a shot like that you could use the one or two close up shots of Palps swinging his lightsaber at Yoda. You could use one of those shots and then cut to one of the Jedi being cut down.

another thought: I don't know how you'll be handling Palps face transformation but with the lights out you could have a few shots where Palps saber passes in front of his "emperor face". the audience would kind of do a double take "what did I just see?"  just a thought...   ;)

Yes the flickering lights are working very well!

And I can't wait to see the updated version...definantly play with drawing out the tension!  ;)

brash_stryker said:

I think it's important to get a reaction shot of sorts from the Jedi to the lights flickering/dimming.

 To brash you listen!  ;)

This is gonna work great! It's gonna make it seem a LOT more plossible that Palps can take on all of these Jedi.

I think you could really have some fun and stretch out the time between when the lights go out to when Palps attacks.

Oooh...You could show Palps shadow sloooowly moving closer to the Jedi...

You could even use that shot of Mace putting his saber up over his head and now he would be using it kind of like a flashlight.

Oh! This would be a great time for Palps to use his lightning! He could kill off the other Jedi that way. But you wouldn't quite know where or whats happening...I'm drooling at the possibilities!  :D

Watching it again I have a thought about reordering:

-Are you threatening me, master jedi?

-Not yet.

-It's treason then.

-lights suddenly go out

-omit closeup of saber coming out of Palps sleeve...because it's dark! :P

-red saber lights up

Nicholas, you should start you're own thread for your edit...I'd love to know more  :D

Nicholas J. Michalak said:

The revised edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uad9i3Hu4k

Did a lot of footage manipulation with split screens and time remapping to achieve what I did here.  Also, it seems no matter what I do in ripping footage from the TPM DVD, there are artifacts and glitches in the video quality.  You can see it as early as the STAR WARS logo receeding if you look carefully.  I did not have this issue with either AOTC or ROTS.

-NJM

 Ah! I like the additional lines inserted here...good stuff.

I liked the original shot you had of Nute saying "Jedi ambasitors?" (sp?)

I'm also wondering: I really really hate the shot of the droids reacting to the ship landing. The animation is awful. They move as if they are almost weightless. Could you look at finding a replacement shot? I've thought about using the shot of the droids at the control panel as Anakin zips by from the end battle.

This is really shaping up well! :D

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

just a few ideas for TPM when Padme meets Anakin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pRGItz8vE

Does it matter?

I really cant wait to see a final edit of yours! I really really really love what you did there. Its amazing how awesome can some re arangements can do so big impact!

Great work again as always :D

 

-Angel

 Ha! Well thanks Angel. I don't think I'll ever get around to doing a full blown edit...but thank you!

Nicholas J. Michalak said:

Here's my opening for TPM.  Should prove interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWio0Bbu5lE

-NJM

 I really like this! Yes the smoke from the explosion works extremely well. I do wonder if any of the lines from our Jedi are missed...hmm...It would be cool if you could show the Jedi having their conversation as they are getting ready to exit the ship. But that could prove difficult.  ;)

brash_stryker said:

I'm aware that there's a problem with the multiple lightsaber ignitions accompanying Jackson's line in the centre channel

 I think that would be the biggest issue...i wonder if they'll ever get around to windu on the soundboards....hmmm....

just a few ideas for TPM when Padme meets Anakin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pRGItz8vE

I'm a bit on the fence on this as well. I always thought it was just for Maul til ROTS came around.

It does add a little more emotion...you get the sense of what is happening inside Anakin...which helps because Anakin always looks pissed off anyway.  ;)

But it still sort of seems like a gimick...I don't know...lol

Posted on youtube by me:

Yes! I'm really digging the colors here! Indeed it does feel a bit more OT...and it also has that "bad guys in ugly places" vibe you're going for!  ;)

Another thought: What do you think about getting rid of R2 having that spasm of his? I guess it's suppose to be a distraction...but aren't the Jedi fast enough to get the sabers back anyway?

Bingowings said:

The only possible use I can see for those scenes would be in a redub.

Nute could make a last ditch attempt to beg for mercy from the new Emperor or still threaten to expose the truth in vain.

Palpatine could then assure the Viceroy that he will be 'taken care of'.

 Hmmm....I hate just cutting a scene out....this could work well...  ;)

But still, Nute is talking it up with Sidious like old friends by hologram in ROTS: "The plan has gone as you had promised, my lord." or something like that...  WTH? I guess you could remove that too...?

Another question that comes up in ROTS is when did Nute start listening to and obeying Sidious again? Or was that another lie from Dooku?

"But he was betrayed ten years ago by the dark lord. He came to me for help. He told me everything."

If so, that line will have to be removed or reworked somehow...so frustrating...

I vote white also!  :D

And the red sabers are interesting indeed. I like loosing that dead Jedi saber concept that didn't do much for me...

Although, I thought I'd throw another idea out there for you to consider...I came up with this a while ago...the basic idea is that GG is indeed a coward and runs from the Jedi as often as he can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIaygRjw7l4

bobgarcia74 said:

First thing, thanks for the kind words.

The reason for the switch in the lines was because originaly the conversation starts on a high note, goes bad in the middle , and finishes on a typical high note while they hug. The way it is originaly, nothing other than the fact that Padme's pregnant comes from this conversation. We already know they have a forbidden love thing going on. So originaly this scene is a big waste of time.

The way I edited it, It starts on a bad note. (Anakins reaction to the baby). So now the high note in the middle doesn't seem so high at all. (Them discussing what there gonna do, and Anakin tossing all there worries aside.) And then the whole scene ends on a real bad note, (Anakin letting his lust get the best of him, even after all they just talked about. And Padme having to back him off of her.) Better for this conversation to end bad, leaving questions about these two.

So the way its edited now gives us more insite to the fact that Anakin is slowly gaining more Dark Side thoughts after his ordeal on  the Invisible Hand. Selfishness, lust. He hears what he wants, and blocks out the bad.

More character development the way I did it. Least thats what I think. 8)

 And btw snicket, I love the flares, looking good.

 Thanks so much for your take on this scene! :D

After reading your thoughts and rewatching the scene I think I agree with you on this move. (not that you need my approval  lol)

I think my original concern was that the baby gets lost in the converstaion...but I don't know if it's really a bad thing...it's not like we as the audience forget about the baby!  ;)

One of the reasons I've brought these series of subjects up is that I recently realized that there is a great opportunity in AOTC to add some compassion and more clarity on the role of the Jedi. Once the Jedi are surrounded in the arena the dialogue exchange between Dooku and Windu could be reworked if, once again, Windu is redubbed.

It could go something like:

-Jedi are surrounded

-Dooku stops the droids

Mace: Dooku! I know we haven't seen eye to eye in the past. However, you know we only want peace and justice in this situation! The senate is preparing an army even as we speak. Can't we work out a solution?

Dooku: I'm sorry old friend.

-Before anyone can act, republic ships fly down and start shooting

So I don't know...something like that....thoughts?

Thanks for the ideas guys.   ...hmmm...

Well, I can see both TheoOdo and Bingowings ideas working.

TheoOdo, I remember a while back when you posted that idea along with the opening scene from TPM with new lines for the Neimodians. I still love this and I might even get around to trying a version of it some day. It set up the Jedi really really well.

Bingowings, I could get behind this idea too. We would just need to figure out new/altered dialouge for Dooku and Friends.

Well...I'll sit on it for a while...  ;)

OK, so I'm still thinking about AOTC and here's my question:

What do the seperatists want?!! Dooku says: "The republic will agree to any demands we make." Are they just gonna sit around and come up with random demands?  "I demand that...um...Palpatine...should...dance a jig on top of the Senate building...holding...a...duck!"

That was my attempt at some humor. I'm sorry.

But seriously, I'm trying to make Dooku a rogue Jedi here and I need to be able to explain his (and the seperatists) motivations. Maybe we could add a line or two by Nute in the meeting Obi-wan overhears...we've already talked about redubbing him anyway.

Thoughts?

Octorox said:

Why is everyone so against dream sequences :/ its a lot more efficient than having Anakin explain everything he's feeling to Padme. I'd keep the dream sequence but after Anakin wakes up I'd have him leave the room, Padme notices and looks worried, and then wipe to the next scene in the jedi temple, cutting out the balcony convo. That way it's ambiguous where he's going. He could be going to Palpatine for all we know.

Actually he could go straight to Yoda. That would make sense. He needs answers about his dream so he quickly goes to Yoda...although I DO hate alot of the dialogue in that scene... lol

brash_stryker said:

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm certainly going to try. And I do actually have a few ideas ;)

And if I'm going to be redubbing this part, it's only natural I take full advantage and insert new dialogue into the previous Lama Su scene (seeing as I'm cutting all the Sifo Dyas bollocks)

 Sounds good!

vaderios said:

I meant to ask:

Any ideas how the opera CG fest can be toned down or being replaced with some retro ways?

References and ideas would be welcome :)

 

-Angel

 I thought this is what YOU were here for, Angel!  ;)