Oh my, if Vader says something along these lines in the final episode, the show will be even better to me. This is a huge plothole that George Lucas created, unfortunately
I don’t understand why people make such a big deal out of that line. It’s obviously a lie to motivate Luke to want to use it.
We could imagine that Anakin told Obi-Wan that, if one day he have a child, he would want it to have his lightsaber.
I found a good concept video showing the destruction of Alderaan in a more detailed way. I know that you don’t plan to reuse Rogue One footage, but that shot showing a landscape of Alderaan and the one showing Bail in the moment of the explosion are good ones from the games. You plan to make something like that in your edit?
Everyone wants to see Luke being a badass in the sequel trilogy, everyone wanted to see Vader in action in the prequels (not 5 min), everyone wanted to see Anakin and Obi-Wan being really good friends in the prequels, etc. (And they get none of this)
They should just stop making Star Wars stuff, there’s enough already
Or they could come up with new ideas.
Even Disney new ideas are now being recycled like crazy (Baby Yoda / Lil Leia / Omega, or Rey the scavanger / Ben the hobo butcher, Reva / Finn even share lots of similar ideas). They even have already did TWICE the Imperial redhead guy switching side… (never trust gingers, remember Cartman warned us about them 😄).
Maybe they could just do less but better, quality vs quantity. But when I read some comments here, I have the feeling casual fans just want to be plugged to neverending Star Wars feed with a mind elastic enough to accept basically anything (it still is incredibly laughable to consider the number of comments defending a rematch set between Mustafar and the Death Star events as “adding more depth and layers”… well, we’ve seen the quality of those layers, right…).
I totally agree with you, but I also understand why people react like this. Every time LucasFilm release something new, seems like a lot of missed opportunities occur, and this kind of frustration by the fans fuels their need to see a new content that brings what the older one didn’t for them. Prequels and Sequels, if done right, wouldn’t release this huge necessity to see more things about the so called “skywalker saga”. At least, this is my interpretation of why people demand so many materials about this era.
The New Prequels:
Episode 3: Obi-Wan Movie Edit
Episode 2: Revenge of the Sith
Episode 1: TPM and Attack of the Clones
Personally, I think this is the best approach.
You could remove most of episode 2 and 3 and have the kidnappers take Leia straight to the Spanish Inquisition. Cut the Vader vs Kenobi bit because the suit doesn’t fit and it looks like a fan film. Cut a lot of the in fighting with the Spanish Inquisition. I know the Empire like pitting the military against each other but these guys answer to a very difficult boss and it gets repetitive.
And then I don’t know what to do with the escape in Ep. 4. So comical and I don’t think it was intended. The trench coat reminded me of The Little Rascals short where the kids were stacked in a coat pretending to be an adult. So awful.
Add an AI line from Kenobi saying “That’s never gonna work”, right after showing him with the “disguise”. This will make he admits that even he doesn’t think this is a good idea, but due to the situation, it’s what he comes up to escape.
Anjohan, I have an idea about solving the problem of Reva putting the tracker in Lola, in the case of you cutting episode 4. It isn’t a perfect solution, but maybe it can work. You can switch the scenes of Vect Nokru with Leia in Daiyu by the scene of Reva interrogating her in Nur. This way, we can assume that Leia and Reva were in a clandestine imperial base in Daiyu. When Obi-Wan rescues Leia in Nur, it was dark and we can’t see he with his new clothes, so that could work. The only problem would be the few scenes after they escape, where Obi-Wan talks with Leia and both are with different clothes (you could paste the conversation that they have there in another scene, if you fell it necessary).
Then, later, instead of the scene between the inquisitors discussing that they have found Obi-Wan, you could put in it’s place the scene of Vader choking Reva.
I think you could also include the scene of Obi-Wan trying to move the object right after the scene of Vader where he promote Reva to the rank of Grand Inquisitor. This scene shows Obi-Wan reconnecting a bit more with the force and it’s a sweet scene between he and Tala, also giving her one more scene at least (this of course in the case you decide to cut the plot of episode 4 in your edit). EDIT: Forget, it wouldn’t make sense Tala being with her imperial uniform at this point.
I’m really happy with the scene and how it served the main story, but I do wish there had been another flashback in Part III as well. Call me greedy but it does feel a bit strange to suddenly drop this on us when the show’s about to wrap up.
I agree. Thinking of it, maybe could be interesting to see in the show that deleted scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan saw Grievous killing Shaak Ti (of course, cutting Shaak Ti and the bad segments out of the footage), splitting it in parts during Ben’s fight against Vader in episode 3. I say this because in the ending of this scene, Obi-Wan says that Anakin still have so much to learn, and after Anakin’s idea got right, Obi-Wan corrects himself saying that he is the one that still have so much to learn, then framing the fact that Ben lost the fight against Vader. It could be cool to see a scene like this first because it would show Vader’s perspective that Obi-wan still have so much to learn (and because of this that Vader won), and then latter in the show we would see Obi-Wan’s perspective of Anakin in the actual flashback, where Anakin’s arrogance that still make him be a learner.
Part IV has to be cut. Episode 5 was decent enough. Gotta trim stuff for sure. A lot of things looked like a B movie, and there were some deliveries that were off.
The flashback with Anakin will probably be included when he’s in the Bacta Tank. I’ll also have to take a look at deepfaking his face. Or perhaps someone on YouTube will do it for me/for us.
This was episode 5, and the narrative overall has been very underwhelming thus far. Although the episode on its own was okay, the pay-off for FOUR episodes of literally two plot lines is just… pathetic?
I find a pretty decent deepfake of Hayden’s face on youtube. Of course there are a ton of deepfakes of it already, and possibly can surface more with a better quality, but this is a good start:
Another one made adjustments to the voices of Ewan and Hayden, and although I don’t think that it solves the problem of their tone completely, it’s something to think of too:
And I agree with Axios about the color grading. Hayden looks a bit pale compared to his younger-self in the flashback. This youtuber changed the tone of the color in the scene, and for me it’s really better in comparison to the actual scene:
Yeah, I understand. It’s just that we have never seen Luke jedi master in live action being really badass, or even his relationship with Anakin force ghost. But I agree with you, the time for that was in the sequel trilogy, and this is what it is, unfortunately. It’s really time to move on.
Mark Hamill looks fantastic at age 70. He really should get his own Luke show, not deepfake. video game Luke leaves me cold but Mark in the behind the scenes makes me a fan again.
Also agreed. They made a show about Cassian Andor who is already dead, I don’t see a reason to not do a show or even a movie about Luke. They could even put Hayden in it… And even Billy Dee Williams, and make an adaptation about that book, perhaps. I don’t know. Just make justice to Mark Hamill, he and the fans deserve it.
What I hated about this is some of the campy dialogue/situations. I get that Return of the Jedi had the most of it, even Empire when Luke met Yoda for the first time, but would you do that for a suited Vader series? Probably not.
It’s Boba Fett, the guy should have never removed his helmet after leaving the Tusken Raiders. Once he got his uniform back, no one never sees him, EVER! I understand he’s a different person and on a spiritual awakening, but the story was weak.
I would have had Fett chase the villain that killed his new family across the galaxy wearing his new Boba Fett uniform. He eventually tracks down the one that killed his family, and it’s Cad Bane, but there’s a bigger villain that ordered it, as he faces this new threat it ends there for season 1.
Agreed, a story like that would make much more sense. I think that we all can agree that F&F doesn’t had a clue to what to do with Boba, let’s be honest. That rumor that Pedro Pascal wanted to abandon the Mandalorian show and that the showrunners thought to switch him for Morrison looks more true every day.
Hi, Anjohan. I don’t know if your son already saw Rogue One, but lantern51 released an ANH edit that put the hallway scene of Vader in the beginning of the movie. It fits surprisingly well with ANH, and really make the movie feel more modern (it also can help into gather the attention of a younger audience). In his edit he included sc38 too, and it flowed really well with the rest of the film. If you have interest:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/A-New-Hope-Vader-edition-Released/id/67644
I think that the music used in both scenes is great, and the “Obi-Wan” line certainly sounds more natural now.
Video Update
Tell me if you think this works. I did some re-editing to make the droid save Obi-Wan quicker, as suggested by Acbagel, and then re-structured the line (that i actually had removed from earlier) “The years have made you weak” with a slowed-down and disappoined “Obi-Wan” at the end of it. The purpose is to almost make Vader give up an immediate hunt because he is disappointed - but without it feeling to on the nose with something like “Escape. I will find you” or some clichè line you’ve heard in countless films and series.
I like this but I think you should cut the “obi-wan” out of Vader’s final words there simply ending on “weak”
The Obi-Wan on the end makes it feel very stitched together.
Agreed, that “Obi-Wan” line sounds a bit strange to me. But the scene now works really, really well, much better than the actual scene of the show. This, along with the cut off of Vader talking to Reva in episode 4, certainly will made Vader competent again.
They’re clearly saving Reva’s backstory for a later confrontation with Kenobi.
The kid playing Leia did a great job in this episode.
The change of heart about helping Ben was a little too quick, but Wade’s death was not about the audience caring about Wade as a character (we don’t, and that’s fine), it was about his death’s effect on the characters, some of whom are now seeing just how much their personal involvement in the Path can cost, others feeling unworthy of having had someone give up their life to save them.
Vader’s confrontation with Reva, at least in the closeups, was definitely Hayden in the suit. Something about the body language was very PT-Ani.
Wade certainly will become a meme, that’s for sure.
I don’t understand why Disney, with all the resources they have, does this to the fans. Instead of exploring Anakin struggles with the Emperor, his remorse in losing Padmé and his attempts to resurrect her, his dark force powers promised by Palpatine, his relationship with Obi-Wan, clone wars flashbacks… All story beats that continues the plot of ROTS… They gave us weak storylines and Reva. They are really disconnected with what the fans wants.
Anjohan, you plan to cut the Vader/Reva scene of episode 4? Because Vader calmly accepting Obi-Wan escaping in episode 3, and then Vader clearly pissed off that Obi-Wan escaped in episode 4 is too strange, at least for me. Two completely different reactions to the same fact, one hours after the other.
That scene with Vader about to kill Reva was freakin’ awesome. Scared the shit out of me. And it screams classic Vader.
Except when he didn’t kill her hah. He ends up being soo impressed that she is tracking them that it seems in the last episode that Vader actually couldn’t get to Obi-Wan through the flames. Everyone was saying “he meant to let him leave, he’s got something smart up his sleeve”. Turns out Vader failed just to force grab weak Ben one more time and drag him over again. But Reva is the super “clever” one…even Vader is just relying on these bumbling Inquisitors to do what he should be dealing with on a very personal basis.
Sorry I don’t like what they are doing with any character in this thing.
Totally agree. Now the scene of Vader letting Obi-Wan get away in episode 3 doesn’t make any sense, mostly because of his reaction in today’s episode, when he’s pissed off after thinking that Reva let Obi-Wan escape. If Vader was so concerned of getting Obi-Wan, why he didn’t in episode 3?
I just think that the show is being a bit bland. They are wasting too much time about this Leia rescue problem (Obi rescued her twice in the show already), when they could show more interesting things. The state of mind of Anakin post-ROTS, Luke’s life in Tatooine, the state of the galaxy with the empire… These points could be explored so much more.
I agree with Anjohan about the production value of episode 4. This episode is really what we should have received in place of episode 2 (that was too weird for me, personally). Episode 4 have way more emotion, better acting, scenarios and action indeed, and the outline is basically the same of episode 2.
That being said, I agree with the others that after episode 2, this episode smells strongly as filler, unfortunately. And given the intricacies of the story, it’s really hard to connect episode 1 to 4, then episode 3,5 and 6, picking key elements of episode 2 for the transitions. After all, Obi-Wan meets Tala in episode 3, Obi-Wan changes his clothes in episode 4… It would be really contrived to make this show to work in the 1,4,3,5,6 order.
I thought the duel in the new episode was pretty awful… If by the end of the series we are able to remove the duel or Ep3 all together, I think this may be a cool way to retool the scenes.
This is just a quick mockup… and would require a ton more work to pull off that good “dream” feel… But since I’m not planning on doing an edit myself, figured I’d share the idea at least!
You really think that way? After watching episode 3, I felt it was the best episode for now, story-wise. Of course it’s not perfect and have bad scenes, but I think it contains solid material here for the edit (this show will never reach the level of production of the movies, anyway).
I’m against inserting John Williams music in one scene in particular: when Obi-Wan & Vader first meet at night. I’d say the music does a good job at selling how unsettling this reunion is, with Vader randomly killing people (including snapping a child’s neck) in a wordless attempt to bait Obi-Wan out of hiding.
It’s a great psychological attack, & if you insert the Imperial March over it, that dread & terror is going to be lost & might give off the impression of Vader being “cool” when it should read as horrifying.
Totally agree. The music works in this moment, it’s really a sentiment of dread when we see Vader walking while he’s killing the people.
Softened Leia Introduction
Leia Kidnapping:
The Leia kidnapping is great. Really better than the actual scene.