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Phase3 said:

For anyone who is going to do their own fan edit, I’ve made a simple new opening crawl, which I have sent to Anjohan, who has said to me that it’ll be included as a separate file for anyone who wishes to use it. 😃

I have done 3x opening crawls, and each crawl has a different movie title:
1a Kenobi.
1b Kenobi A Star Wars Story.
1c Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Please note that I’ve done these in the same style as the main movies Episodes I-VI, and not in the style seen in ‘Rogue One’ or the Kenobi TV series.
There is also a camera pan down to Tatooine, plus a ‘fan edit’ information screen and opening fanfare & title cards etc.

Cheers!

Hmm, good to know! What’s the text of the crawl?

Looking foward to this. I don’t like Rebels and watched just the first episodes of the show, but recently I’ve wanted to watch an edit of it, since it kind of is a sequel to clone wars (I’m more interested in the ahsoka development, but if the rest is good, then I’ll give it a go).

For me it’s just so strange that we got the conclusion of the arcs of characters like Maul in a show like this, the clone wars characters looked so shoehorned in Rebels… But this is a discussion for another thread.

Hi Anjohan. I have a small suggestion to make, if possible. I don’t know if you already completed the score of your edit, but I found a cool re-score of the scene where Obi-Wan see a mirage of Anakin in the field, and I think it could be cool to add something like this in it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mA6gZq5u75A

Although, I think that the beginning of “Padmé’s Ruminations” theme would be even better in this scene. But in my opinion, both are good and could enhance the moment even more than what it is in the show.

I don’t know if you have the resources to do this, but I think that it’ll be better to make Anakin’s voice higher, because his voice in AOTC and in OWK are notably different. Maybe not in all the shots, but in the beginning of the flashback for example, his voice is clearly deeper, and this can contrast with the rest of his scenes in AOTC.

I found two videos that could help to enhance the opening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seJxxjyb2MY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYdTJhHepnU

I posted the second one because I think the Tantive IV explosion still looks dated, even in the remake of the scene in the first clip. So, if you can produce some explosion in the ship in some excerpt of the 2nd clip’s footage, from the 25sec-32sec, maybe you can archieve a more modern sequence.

Well, it’s stylistically designed to be that way and you can’t undo that. But we can diminish the effects of it.

Personally, for me, the show just gone too far in a few places.

revel911 said:

Anjohan, the movement and lighting in the new scene are both great. The issue with the Leia in your last scene is she just pops up. You are having a reverse perspective problem. Obiwan starts larger and gets smaller as he moves away. Leia pops up small and gets a little larger. I would match her to a relevant spot on Obi’s back so perspective stays more consistent. Otherwise, I am really being sold that she is with him which vastly helps the scene.

Yeah, it would be possible to make she appear a bit earlier in the scene in Obi’s back, instead of later? Maybe it will be better. To me it also kinda gives the impression that she’s popping up in the scene.

Oh yeah, I understand 100%!

By the way, the logo in the clip was very cool, nice work with that.

I’ll be sincere, I prefer the NFBisms version of the opening. Personally, I don’t have a problem with the fact that the NFBisms’ version doesn’t has music, after all it’s just the first five minutes of the movie and it has the sole purpose to summarizes Obi-Wan’s routine. Besides that, the absence of music makes the scene more impactful and helps to start the film really strong (and NFBisms edited it in a really unique way that just works really well). But that’s just my two cents.

I have an idea about the problem involving Vader letting Obi-Wan escape in their first duel.

When the robot rescues Obi-Wan, it could show Vader having a flashback of when he rescued Obi-Wan in the Invisible Hand. After the flashback, it shows Vader turning around, leaving Ben. The scene following this would be the one where Vader talks to the Emperor.

This would imply that Vader letting Kenobi go was because he still felt something about his master, even 10 years after the events of ROTS.

jrs81 said:

Anjohan said:

https://streamable.com/r4libo

• Prolonged Obi-Wan looking for the entrance with 1.5 seconds
  -> Reshaped some of the new soundmix
  -> Added a sewer pipe that Obi-Wan swims out of
  -> Added bubbles as if he just jumped down into the pipe of which he then proceeds out of
  -> Removed Haja’s “Call you in a bit” to see if it flows better - I have no preferance.

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@jrs81 Just read your post before render, so I removed that just for you. I felt different about it - like it “sealed the deal” of him and Haja speaking, but perhaps more people agree with you. Tell me

Better. would also move “if it’s the sewers you want” to start while he is walking and end it during the alien fish. LEAD us into the next scene. The dialogue, OB1 Walking, and alien fish are all transition to the next scene which is OB1 swimming. The swell in music while Ob1 is swimming is also too good to cover up with dialogue.

My 2 cents. But you really did make this idea work. Impressed 👍

UPDATE:. I would start the line when he stops walking and stands there a moment to think. He would be recalling what Haja told him. If it’s the sewers you want (Obi on screen) there is only one place to go (crowd/entrance on screen) be safe (alien fish on screen) music swells…

I totally agree.

Broom Kid said:

I was wondering - it’d probably necessitate some VFX work alongside some sound effects reconstruction and flipping some shots for continuity/180-degree rule - if there’s a way to reconstruct the duel so it ENDS with Ben getting buried, Vader walking off, and Ben escaping the hole and leaving the planet.

Basically, duel starts as normal, when we get to the part where Obi-Wan tries to topple a pillar and Vader catches it, throws it at him, cut to the 2nd half of the fight where Ben is out of the hole, they clash again, Obi-Wan throws him, then throws all the rocks at him and cuts his helmet half off. They talk, Obi-Wan says “Goodbye, Darth” and then after Vader screams “Obi-Wan” then have him slap the ground and send him into the hole?

It’d be tricky (aside from shaving some shots down carefully and re-using one or two from earlier in the duel - and might necessitate generating sparks from the helmet and/or some head replacement of cracked helmet Vader) but it honestly seems like that’s how the fight SHOULD go. Vader literally “leaves” Obi-Wan (When I left you…) and thinks he’s dead, and walks off. Obi-Wan escapes with nobody knowing he’s gone and heads back to Tatooine to watch over Luke (who is in that vision that inspires him to push all the rocks out of the way and jump out of the hole)

Once he’s out of the hole just cut to the ship leaving the planet.

Totally agree. I saw someone suggesting that online in another site another day, and also thought that this is what should have happened during the ending. After Obi-Wan escapes the planet, it could be cool too if Vader, already in his castle in Mustafar, senses Kenobi through the force and say just “Obi-Wan…” (or something like this, just to show that Vader sensed that Obi-Wan could still be alive, maybe even intercutting with the last scene of the flashback). I say this because in ANH Vader say clearly that Obi-Wan is in the Death Star, because he sensed it, so he must have at least a clue that Kenobi could still be alive.

NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

My god, this is really professional quality, seems exactly like the beginning of a movie. Well done!

Acbagel said:

Anjohan, in regards to the new rescue clips, the main thing that threw me off was the immediate transition to underwater, are there any other shots you could use to bridge the gap? Even something as simple as Obi walking down an alley or something that could make it seem like he is accessing the sewers

Agreed. I also think that this rescue sequence is much better than the rescue from episode 2 by a mile, and for me at least all the clothes changes is excusable, since it isn’t a big deal after all and it’s for the benefit of better scenes. And this could be nitpicking, but Leia is smiling in the shot right before the lights turn off (maybe another shot of her when she’s panicking could be more appropriate). Additionally, an youtuber fixed an “error” of the moment where Obi-Wan hides from the stormtroopers, maybe this could help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQzN0C21go

And jrs81 made an incredible color correction in his own edit of the show, his scenes of the final battle between Vader and Obi-Wan is much less dark, what I think helps A LOT to see clearer what is happening. Please consider doing something like this in your edit Anjohan!

I really liked the color correction you provided in the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, now I can see properly (finally)! But personally, I think the sequence was a bit confuse. I missed a few transitions between the fight, like Obi-Wan crushing Vader’s helmet, and if this is a mental battle, I think Vader’s ship shouldn’t appear.

lavoyd said:

I’m a little behind on this thread after this latest episode, so pardon me if this has been done or said already.

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this whole series and loved this episode as well for multiple reasons but the one thing I immediately thought of modifying while watching the episode that I believe would enhance the scene was adding a bit more of Vader’s voice to the mix in the post duel scene. Specifically when he says “I did…” to more thematically depict Vader as the one responsible for Anakin’s death. I tried to keep it fairly subtle but am open to critique if anyone has any suggestions or feedback.

I added a tad more to the following line “…the same way I will destroy you” as well but kept it much lower in the mix until ‘you’.

https://streamable.com/ephg22

Personally, I think it’s great!

Darth Raditz said:

Acbagel said:

This is the last thing that does bug me a bit. Here’s my suggestion… Save the end of Obi-Wan & Anakin’s fight from “AotC” for the end of the final fight between Obi-Wan & Vader in Episode 6. Instead of Obi-Wan saying “Then my friend is truly dead,” (this is the line that confuses me, because if that statement were true, then why would you not kill him here to protect Luke and Leia?) and instead have Obi-Wan complete his reflection on their duel as student & master. This way it comes across as trying to teach Vader the lesson he tried to teach Anakin long ago instead of a strange contradiction of his words and actions, and it brings a conclusion to the flashbacks we saw in the Episode 5 content. To compliment this change, also change the end of the Episode 3 duel by having Vader say his “The years have made you weak” line as Obi-Wan is rescued by the robot, further showing that Vader didn’t want to fight a weakling Obi-Wan.

Now, at the end of the series with these changes, Vader & Obi-Wan’s relationship has developed into something more complicated & co-dependent. Vader won’t kill Ben because he wants to fight him at his best, & Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

Hmm, now where have I seen that before…

Given your profile name, I know what you are referring to… 😄

revel911 said:

Just remember, this is your edit … make it how YOU want. We can give advice, but in the end it is just advice.

I completely agree. Anjohan, we all have different interpretations about what should have happen in the ending (and in the show in general), but I also think that you should do what you ultimately think it’s right. The same thing goes for the piano theme. Personally it doesn’t resonates with me, but the song is meaningful to you, so I strongly think that you should keep it, as well as the other changes that you think that fits better the tone of the movie.

And about the reason why Kenobi leaves Vader alive… In the end, it really is what it is. As Kaweebo said, it’s hard to think a way to edit that to make sense, even more because this is a conservative edit. I already thought about a way to make this work in a way thet differs from the tone of ROTS, but I don’t know if it would work and it would require a ton of editing, and too many changes would deviate from the intent of this edit. I commented about adding the Qui Gon voice saying that Anakin is the chosen one, but I also understand your point about the Qui Gon surprise at the end, that he can be shown to Ben because just now he overcome his struggles. It’s really subjective.

To be sincere, in the end, I’m just happy to have a good edit of the show available to the public. You made changes that I found excellent to make this show be more like a true star wars product, like the re-escore, the star wars fades around the film and cutting the bad production-wise stuff, so I’m really satisfied with just that 😄

smpearce1981 said:

Anyhow, here’s a knitpick:

IMO the only part of the duel footage that needs a change is the establishing shot at 1:01 -

(https://streamable.com/ebtorm)

As we no longer cut away, we no longer need an establishing shot.

I couldn’t help but feel that the slow panning, dark, wide shot is quite jarring especially when it’s so massively juxtaposed against the up-close, lightsaber lit, intimacy of the duel in peak flow as obi-wan lunges in the shot immediately before?

I think the duel would massively benefit from just cutting into another shot from the main choreography to keep the pace up.

I just don’t think that the overall environment is dramatic or ‘interesting’ enough that you would miss an unnecessary ‘eye candy’ shot that now would only exist to depict a sense of scale?

If the location had been really visually interesting or it’s features relevant to the progression of the battle, maybe it could be justified but such as it is, with no cutting back and forth between plot points/locations, it’s inclusion is now just superfluous and quite disruptive to the flow of the duel?

Anyhow, that was my only observation/feedback from your amazing work here. 😃

Personally I think the establishing shot is awesome. For me it serves precisely to help the duel feel more huge in scale, since as you said, the location is pretty pour and this should be a huge match. But, of course, this is just my interpretation of the scene itself.

Anjohan said:

https://streamable.com/ebtorm

https://streamable.com/enn3rl

https://streamable.com/3f4fw6

I’m not totally pleased as of yet and I will need to re-watch it when my brain has had a break, but take a look and give pro’s and con’s and feedback. Also I’m not sure how you guys feel about the Piano Theme getting a second chance, but I think it fits for the ending. I could also just leave the scene alone. I like the duel tho’.

Going to bed now. Nighty-nighty!

I liked the battle theme, helped to enhance the duel significantly. But the piano theme I really don’t know what to think of, sincerely.

Personally I think that it could be cool if Obi-Wan, after seeing Vader with the broken helmet, heards Qui Gon’s voice saying “He’s the chosen one”. To me this would make more sense to Ben choosing to leaving him alive, because even if he feels that he can’t kill Anakin because he still cares about him, it was a pretty dick move to not do so (after all, Ben knows that Vader is torturing a bunch of people through the galaxy). The only thing that I can think of to Ben not killing Vader is if his own master gives him guidance through the force saying this, because it would reinforce that even Anakin going to the dark side there’s still hope for him. After all, Ben is seeking for Qui Gon’s guidance the whole show, it would be natural if he manifests in a crucial moment of decision like this.

If this approach was chosen, I would suggest a more uplifting theme instead of the piano theme, like the theme of when Luke saw the twin suns outside of his house (or something like this). After all, ROTS ended in a pretty dark way, and this finale is almost THE SAME of ROTS (Obi-Wan abandoning Anakin because he thinks he have no salvation). I think it could be cool to see a more hopeful tone in the end for Anakin in this one, even to differentiate a bit from the tone of ROTS.

I envy you all for liking the episode, for real. For me episode 6 was really disappointing. This need to be the climax, but episode 5 had better moments than this. Vader vs Obi-Wan looks so much like a fan-film, even their fight in episode 3 was more emotional than this, and episode 4 had better sets than this one too. I’ll not even talk about Reva… My god.

croissant_lion said:

Finished Part 6. Imo it would benefit from a little more Qui-Gon.

The rumored plot leaks claimed that when Obi-Wan is about to lose his 2nd duel to Vader, he would suddenly hear Qui-Gon’s voice in his head, motivating and coaching him to defeat Vader. It would be a wonderful payoff to his prayers in Parts 1-3 and is just a cool idea in general. But it didn’t exactly turn out that way.

It’d be cool if in the scene where Obi-Wan is trapped under the rubble getting overwhelmed by the angry voice of Anakin/Vader…he’d suddenly hear the calm, encouraging voice of master Qui-Gon. And that could be one of the motivations for Obi-Wan finding his Force strength to defeat Vader (though the flashes of his remembering Leia/Luke don’t need to be deleted).

The rubble scene, Obi-Wan’s floating rocks scene, and Obi-Wan destroying Vader’s suit - all of those scenes could potentially benefit from inserting Liam Neeson’s voiceovers at the right moments as the ‘Force ghost in his head.’ But the dialogue would have to be recycled from TPM, TCW, and perhaps even other non-SW Neeson media. In Batman Begins, Neeson’s mentor character has a pretty appropriate quote for Part 6 where he says “You have learned to bury your guilt…confront it. Face the truth.”

WOW, totally agree!

My God, this is the worst episode for me. Worst then episode 4, I don’t know how. Really surprised to see people enjoying parts of it.

In the beginning, I think there’s too much talk. The passengers are about to be killed by the imperial ship, there’s no need to have so much discussion about that. Prolonging ths discussion just gave me a vibe that the peril wasn’t THAT real, and this is not good (after all, it’s a star destroyer they’re running from).

I also agree that the Reva segment of this episode doesn’t make any sense, I even know even now what is her purpose to kill Luke. For me at least, it should be completely cut (she dying in Jabiim is a good ending for her). I think her arc would be much better if she played a role similar to the command officers from ESB, with just a little more deph due to her past showed in the flaskback, but maybe this idea would be more appropriate for another edit.

Well, for me the Vader vs Obi-Wan fight is in desperate need of the Duel of Fates song to land, or Battle of the Heroes. If I could suggest a track, I think this remix is really good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sskr--f66ZI

Yeah, no problem. I understand.

Anjohan said:

Also, some of you might be happy to hear I’ve spread some Star Wars fades around the film 😉

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I really liked what I saw. The new shots seemed original, and not a compilation of pre-existing footage. I just missed a real explosion at the end, and in my opinion Vader’s new shot doesn’t look like it came from A New Hope. Looking forward to the finished scene!

CaptainFaraday said:

Master Lawdog said:

It’s too bad the extended talk about Dooku between Obi-Wan and Jocasta Nu didn’t have finished VFX, as you said in your commentary, Hal.

I wish someone would finish it. In the theatrical, we go from namedropping Dooku in the opening crawl, to radio silence, and then he shows up at the end with no real context to his character. That 30 seconds in the middle of the film are so important, and it got cut in favour of what - droid factory antics or something.

After you said this I searched in youtube for it, and I found someone who restored the scene. He skipped the part where Jocasta mentions that Dooku was a jedi, but maybe with a couple of edit, the line could be properly reintroduced in the shots he restored:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQTcvtHvhw

EDIT: He restored only a few parts, but as I said, through editing the most important bits of information that Jocasta and Obi-Wan said could be dropped in the edit, during the zoom in Dooku’s sculpted face. This video also restored the scene partially:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vPvyV7xznc