SilverWook

A split second crisis of conscience is out of character? We all think about doing things we never act upon. Luke is powerful, but he isn’t perfect.
There is a presumption Luke is the exact same person he was at the end of the OT. He isn’t. He’s had to bear the weight of the fate of the galaxy and trying to live up to being a legendary hero for three decades, and he choked at a crucial moment.

The Force seems kind of stingy about revealing specific details like that though. Luke could see his friends suffering at Cloud City, but even Yoda couldn’t say if they were going to die or not.

There is a fanedit over at FE that’s attempting to make something good out of it though.

As the government decided to contest the Time-Warner/AT&T deal again at the 11th hour, I’ll believe it when I see it. 😉

Only Leia isn’t flying. She doesn’t have to deal with gravity at all. Given what real astronauts can do in zero G, Leia wouldn’t have to exert Yoda levels of energy to get back to the ship.

Of course, the Superman films would never just toss out some random power we’ve never seen before out of the blue. 😛

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:

I was speaking more towards the people who think the human body blows up like a water balloon in space.

In a movie universe where spaceships and explosions can be heard in a vacuum, and often defy physics, giant slugs live inside an apparently airless asteroid, people with magical powers formally fight with improbable laser swords when a blaster would end things quicker, (see Obi-Wan vs. Grevious) and overgrown teddy bears kicked Imperial ass, Leia in space was the one bridge too far? I give up.

It wasn’t the improbability of Leia flying—we all know that films rely on suspending disbelief, and it was required many times in the OT, but it was more the TONE that struck me as so odd. The tone of the flying Leia scene was totally off, totally un-Star Wars-like, and I think that’s why so many people were like “WTF”?!

Besides, a bunch of overgrown teddy bears kicking Imperial ass is no more improbable than a bunch of under-equipped colonists beating the British Empire, no? 😉

Perhaps because it feels more like a scene from a hard Sci-fi film? The only other time someone gets sucked out into space was in Episode III, when General Grevious smashes a window on the bridge of his cruiser to escape and walks outside on the hull to reach the escape pods. With Grevious being a cyborg with a hacking cough, I have a few issues with that sequence. 😉

The latest bit of fansanity™ is a youtube video accusing Rian of plagiarizing John Carpenter’s Escape From L.A. I kid you not.

I also didn’t get the memo where EFLA is suddenly regarded as top tier Carpenter now.

I was speaking more towards the people who think the human body blows up like a water balloon in space.

In a movie universe where spaceships and explosions can be heard in a vacuum, and often defy physics, giant slugs live inside an apparently airless asteroid, people with magical powers formally fight with improbable laser swords when a blaster would end things quicker, (see Obi-Wan vs. Grevious) and overgrown teddy bears kicked Imperial ass, Leia in space was the one bridge too far? I give up.

Guess they didn’t see Guardians Of The Galaxy which did essentially the same thing, or 2001 for that matter. 😉

I’m not sure what the heck the ROTN mask is. Could be a cheapo Vader knockoff, or something they reworked to fit on the German biker style helmet?

I can’t imagine Lucas being okay with the line that opens every Star Wars film being used to promote an R rated sex comedy. This is the guy who tried to sue over the press using Star Wars to describe the Reagan-era Strategic Defense Initiative.

I guess the pee tape is for real after all. When Trumpy believes an ex-KGB thug over his own people what other explanation is left?

One of Enterprise’s saving graces was we got to see a lot of Andorians. (And Jeffrey Combs was awesome as Shran.) I think they are my second favorite Trek aliens now. Previous series (except for TAS) all but ignored them. Didn’t Rick Berman have issues with alien antennae or something?

There are no sharks in Star Wars! And nobody under 30 even knows the origin of that phrase anyway. 😛

Never forget!
https://youtu.be/WvGopsM1G9g

Also, only tv shows can jump the shark. Movies nuke the fridge. 😃

Arguably, a indie short that probably never was screened theatrically isn’t going to get the same level of scrutiny as a feature film made by 20th Century Fox. I hadn’t heard that ROTN couldn’t use a Vader mask. I guess Lucasfilm objected?

How Fox got away with this, I have no idea.
https://youtu.be/8CegGbscPn0
I thought it was sleazy of them to use Star Wars this way.

Something even Oliver Stone could not have dreamed up!
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/03/03/william-hootkins/

It was the ‘60’s, man. And that’s kind of TOS’ thing. Just like TNG’s was Data trying to be more human and the holodeck almost gets people killed on a regular basis. 😉

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

here’s the tweet btw, not a screenshot: https://twitter.com/DeeGoots/status/944080112869183489

Pretty easy to find her explanation of what it was all about if you’re looking through her timeline
https://twitter.com/DeeGoots/status/1017108818658930688?s=20

Don’t know why some fans are so desperate to cherrypick and take out of context and act like they’re being persecuted.

Sounds like a great way to get fired. Unless Lucasfilm and Disney just don’t care at this point? The closest Lucas ever got to trolling was wearing that Han Shot First t-shirt on set of Crystal Skull. Nice way to make a buck off a phrase unhappy fans coined.

Jay said:

SilverWook said:

There’s a big difference between merely saying This movie sucks! and taking it out on the people who made it. When Star Trek: The Motion Picture came out, Trekkers were not screaming for Robert Wise’s head. Even the late Harlan Ellison wrote a polite, but negative review in Starlog. And this is the guy who often took potshots at Gene Roddenberry the way Stephen King hates on Kubrick.

Social media is the big factor here. It’s possible rotten fans may have always been with us. I imagine there were letters even Cinefanstatique magazine declined to print back in the day. There was that one SW blogger fellow who’s been blocked by Dave Prowse and John Williams on twitter for their behavior. Seriously, what issues could anyone possibly have with them?

There are ridiculous trolls, of course. That’s not what I’m talking about here. There are legitimate criticisms being levied against TLJ that are being attributed to trolls in order to hand-wave them away.

Think about what you’re saying. “[T]hat one SW blogger fellow” isn’t representative of half the fanbase. The people who harassed Tran aren’t representative of half the fanbase. It’s become very easy to paint anyone dissatisfied with TLJ using that broad brush, though.

There are Lucasfilm employees on Twitter right now trolling Star Wars fans and comparing the situation to GamerGate. Just absurd. If Twitter had existed back when Lucas released the SEs and he posted his famous quote about the movies being his and not the fans’ (paraphrasing), what do you think the result would be? If the creators are going to participate in social media and actively berate their critics, the social media mob is going to descend upon them.

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

TFA receives an overwhelmingly positive response from fans and everything is cool.

Are you new here?

Are you new to the internet?

This forum doesn’t encompass the entirety of the conversation, nor is it even a microcosm representative of the entirety of Star Wars fandom. It’s a subset of a subset. The discussion here may have become contentious, but in the rest of the world, by and large, the response to TFA was overwhelmingly positive.

That blogger fellow got into the credentialed podcast area at Celebration, which indicates to me Lucasfilm doesn’t vet these people very well. I wasn’t aware of Lucasfilm employees trolling fans, or do you mean Rian Johnson?

There’s a big difference between merely saying This movie sucks! and taking it out on the people who made it. When Star Trek: The Motion Picture came out, Trekkers were not screaming for Robert Wise’s head. Even the late Harlan Ellison wrote a polite, but negative review in Starlog. And this is the guy who often took potshots at Gene Roddenberry the way Stephen King hates on Kubrick.

Social media is the big factor here. It’s possible rotten fans may have always been with us. I imagine there were letters even Cinefanstatique magazine declined to print back in the day. There was that one SW blogger fellow who’s been blocked by Dave Prowse and John Williams on twitter for their behavior. Seriously, what issues could anyone possibly have with them?

moviefreakedmind said:

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s fascinating and tragic how people have been victimized by the Star Wars fandom. Kelly Marie, Ahmed Best, and Jake Lloyd have all been crucified by obsessed and mean-spirited fans.

Rian Johnson too - similar abuse to what the above have endured - including death threats and announcements of his death too. JJ Abrams received a quite a bit of abuse too if I recall. Kathleen Kennedy as well.

That’s right, and hell, George has gotten a lot of horrible stuff like that too for longer than any of them have. The list goes on and on and I think the list will just keep getting longer, unfortunately.

Is there evidence Lucas was threatened publicly? The only specific creepy thing I remember was that one forum member a decade ago who was always going on about how he wanted to bury George with a shovel. That guy was disturbing as heck.

Wait, what?

Was easy to think back in 1999 that we would not be seeing Jar Jar in Episode 2. 😛

One of Disney’s best known live action films actually broke with that trope. Let’s hope Chewie doesn’t get Space Rabies from those damn Porgs. 😉

There was a website? Sounds like a knock off of all the Kill Barney! (the dinosaur) stuff in the late 90’s. Is it still around? I’m morbidly curious.