- Post
- #377357
- Topic
- Star Tours II: New Footage released
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/377357/action/topic#377357
- Time
2011? That's a long way off for this to be the final rendered footage.
2011? That's a long way off for this to be the final rendered footage.
My earliest U.S. LD copy dates from 1983. Pan and scan, and time compressed.
Unless you lived in a large city at the time, it was less likely you had a 70mm theatre nearby. Installing Dolby stereo gear for 35mm was probably an expensive proposition for small theatre chains, and they wouldn't jump in unless they thought it would pull in more crowds. Just like now we are starting to see IMAX, 3D, and digital projection in smaller towns.
The overwhelming reason at the time to do the mono mix is, nobody was sure Dolby Stereo was going to catch on. (Just like some early widescreen movies were shot twice to have a version able to be projected on older screens.) It's hard to believe these days, where even the dollar theater has Dolby Digital, but there were a couple other sound systems tried out that never made beyond use in one movie or two.
Seen any movies in Sound 360 or Megasound lately? ;)
All three SW sound mixes are valid, the mono just had the benefit of being tweaked a bit more.
The 80's saw a lot of mono films "electronically re-channeled for stereo" on home video. Even early stereo tv broadcasting put a fake stereo effect on older shows and even some then current ones.
Who says it's supposed to be the same trooper saying both lines? There are about six of them chasing Han and Chewie.
Also, "Close the blast doors!" is the setup to the punchline that is "Open the blast doors!". It got a laugh from the audience that I can remember. It was in the "Story of Star Wars" record too, so it's burned into the brains of us old coots. ;)
I personally believe the 44 magnum blaster is the actual blanks being fired on set. They simply goofed, and forgot to put a regular blaster sound in the mono mix.
The story I read ages ago was Lucas went out to eat while working on one of the foreign dubs, when he saw the line around the block at Grauman's Chinese and wondered what movie it was.
I personally own a Japanese LD from 1983 with the original stereo mix. Non time compressed. Curiously, it has subtitles for lines only present in the mono mix. I verified this with a fellow board member who could read Japanese a few years back.
Six track was for the 70mm venues. (Where Star Wars was released first.) Then they needed the stereo mix for 35mm theaters as it opened on more screens, and then the mono because Dolby couldn't play properly on old mono gear at the time.
This was also in the days before audio mixers could "remember" all the settings, so other differences could happen in later remixing sessions.
It's a safe bet all the pre-1985 Laserdiscs have the 35mm stereo mix.
Aside from IMAX, I don't think there have been 70mm engagements of any feature film since Titanic, and allegedly Cameron had to throw his weight around to get prints made for those.
Sad to say, a lot of theaters built since the 90's don't have 70mm gear, and a lot of older screens that did are shuttered or gone now. :(
Didn't you guys ever watch the Godfather movies? All gangsters have some legitimate business ventures masking the illegal ones. Even real life ones could give to a charity money that was probably dirty, but it improved their standing with the populace.
Heck, Greedo's widow probably got a nice little pension. ;)
How is Rikter these days? His profiles says he hasn't logged on here in over two years!
I kind of like this one as it matches the look of the film. :)
I've got a textless version of it on my HD somewhere...
The U.S. Laserdisc has digital sound, as does the PAL version.
They were not thinking about music clearances for home video in 1978, any more than the producers of Heavy Metal were in 1981. That film took 15 years to come out on video.
And even the Making of Star Wars has been altered. William Conrad's narration was inexplicably replaced on the 90's VHS.
What's really troubling about THX-1138, is the changes are never talked about on the DVD. There aren't even restoration credits like the SE's all have.
You'd think all those ILM guys would want a screen credit for the new shots. Unless the people who animated that sex machine in THX's apartment are too ashamed! ;)
In the documentary, Lucas talks about filming in various locations around San Francisco to create his underground world, while a shot of a CGI cityscape is shown. That baked my noodle!
Isn't one of the fan made DVD's allegedly sourced from a broadcast master found in the basement at a CBS affiliate?
Lucasfilm does not pretend the HS doesn't exist. The characters have listings on the official site, and Hasbro released a Boba Fett based on the cartoo segement.
If they finally decided to officially release it, there might be music rights to sort out with Jefferson Starship, etc. Nobody was thinking of a video release back in 1978.
TCM has shown THX a couple times, and it's the new version. Not a good sign.
doubleofive said:Why would they do trailers on 16mm? I thought theaters wouldn't use that film. Heck, I'm not sure why (most of) ANH is on 16mm, just that you did a project with it!
Still, if it doesn't go higher $30 is worth it, I would think. Its like a mystery box!
Some college campus theaters have used 16mm for years. Tv stations used the format before video tape took over. There has also been a collector's market for 16mm movies for ages. (Both legally made and otherwise.)
...who also knew how to do the Time Warp!
http://blog.allanellenberger.com/book-flm-news/sadie-corre-obituary/
The IMDB lists her as playing an Ewok, not to mention the evil ventriloquist dummy Hugo in "Devil Doll", which is one of the more awful films MST3K did.
It's too bad they couldn't include some screen shots.
I think it's a safe bet all of the known SW trailers have been long since been out on Laserdisc and DVD though.
I'd be curious if there were overseas trailers done in a different style from what we saw here.
adywan said:SilverWook said:Anybody got $20K to spare for this beast? ;)
http://cgi.ebay.com/URSA-DIAMOND-TELECINE_W0QQitemZ310162023416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item483718e3f8&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
Cintel's URSA DIAMOND TELECINE machine is only SD. Their C-Reality version is capable of HD.
There isn't any way to strip it down and modify it then?
Anybody got $20K to spare for this beast? ;)
There are good quality prints out there. The AFI, BFI, and Library of Congress all have them. Lucas is the 800 pound gorilla that does not want them to be shown.
I wish the BFI or LOC would just have a free screening and "accidentally" show the originals. ;)
Sounds like the author of the book got really, really, confused. ;)
I have yet to hear a coherent explanation as to why Lucas couldn't get the Greedo shot he allegedly wanted in 1976. ;)
Han, in his infinite wisdom, didn't even believe Leia when she said they were being tracked.
"Not this ship, sister."
The promise of a nice chunk of change for rescuing Leia was probably looming larger in his mind than the peril of heading for the secret base. He did owe Jabba a lot of money.
cap said:SilverWook said:Of course, none of this explains away making an even bigger design flaw than the original. Exhaust ports big enough to fly into! ;)
They didn’t see that as a design flaw because those exhaust ports were protected by a shield they believed to be invulnerable.
As long as we’re on the “Why didn’t they...” theme, I don’t see why the Rebels decided to let everything depend on a ground assault force defeating the (assumed, for no good reason, to be small) Imperial force protecting the shield generator and placing explosives. The Alliance may not have had the power to destroy a planet, but they certainly had enough firepower to blast a sizable crater in one. Why not take out the shield generator by nuking the entire site from orbit? (In the words of Ellen Ripley, “It’s the only way to be sure.”) Is there any reason given why this wouldn’t work?
Noted author Norman Spinrad asked the nuke question in a controversial review that ran in Starlog back in the day. It generated a lot of angry letters, IIRC. And a cartoon depicting Spinrad in carbonite. ;)
Either nobody really wants to use nukes, or they don't exist as weapons in the galaxy. At least among the advanced cultures.
cap said:JarHead413 said:
I don't know how much time the DS needs between shots. Might be a day to recharge that thingThat certainly was not the case in ROTJ, but who knows, maybe technology advanced in four years from “takes a day to recharge” to “takes moments to recharge even when the darn thing is only halfway built.” True, this is a universe that had no significant technological development for thousands of years, but you never know.
I think it's been established the DSII was deliberately made to look incomplete, so as to make it a more tempting target. It can also be argued the superlaser was not firing at full strength when taking out Rebel fleet ships, so faster recharge time.
Of course, none of this explains away making an even bigger design flaw than the original. Exhaust ports big enough to fly into! ;)
A friend of mine used to wonder why they just didn't email the darn plans. ;)
The Falcon was "on the lam" after blasting out of Mos Eisely, so perhaps a spaceport free of an Imperial presence was too far away at the time. We also don't know if the Death Star moved on during the time our heroes were aboard.
Leia just saw her whole planet wiped out, so she was probably hell bent on getting the DS plans to the Rebels ASAP, before another heavily populated world was next.
She could also have had doubts about whether she really spilled everything under the mind probe.
Maybe they were betting on the DS coming in without any Imperial Navy support?
I think maybe the Rebels decided to make a "last stand"? It's not very clear how much time passes from when our heroes arrive on Yavin 4, and when the Death Star shows up. Possibly just enough time to study the plans, form an attack plan, and brief the pilots.
In Empire, it seems to take at least a day to pack up and prepare to flee Hoth. You don't want to leave stuff behind you're going to need later.
Also, it's clear from Jedi the entire Rebel fleet is not on Yavin 4. They may have wanted to make the Empire think all the eggs were all in one easily to blow up basket.
Yavin is like Jupiter. It's huge, mostly gaseous, and potentially combustable. Blowing us a gas giant you're in orbit around is probably a bad idea. See the end of 2010, for reference. ;)
Alderaan was used as an "effective demonstration" already.