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- Info: Condition of the 2011 Bluray deleted scenes... Quite rough.
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Can't wait to see what TMBTM does with these. ;)
Can't wait to see what TMBTM does with these. ;)
Old news, actually.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Darth-Lucas-Strikes-Again/topic/12989/
Ye gods! Frakenhooker!? Whoever named the distributor must have been a Laserdisc fan as well.
What's next? A Blu Ray of "Meet the Feebles" with a Peter Jackson commentary track? ;)
And Han and Chewie have to be female. ;)
Everything you ever wanted to know about 70mm and other cinema processes, but didn't know who to ask. :)
Jaitea said:
Right now....thats everybody settled again.....peace......
Why not update this thread to 'It's Star Wars....on Blu-Ray'
J
"Sagapocalypse Now" ;)
Tobar said:
SilverWook said:
The Brian Daley Han Solo trilogy, the Lando trilogy, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and the old Marvel comics are all the EU I require. ;)
Aww, no love for the strips? Most of them were written by Archie Goodwin the man responsible for almost half of the old Marvel comics.
My local newspaper didn't seem to carry the strips very long back then. I did buy the Dark Horse reprints though.
Didn't mean to leave those out of the love fest. ;)
And some of you take a deep breath, and count to ten, please? Infighting benefits no one...
R2D2 said:
adywan said:
...The old "making of.." docs are terrible quality. They are plagued with horrendous mpeg1/2 compression and other digital artefacts and then the interlacing issues turn the picture into a line-fest when there is the slightest motion. It looks like watching an old VCD but with slightly sharper picture.
As Adywan reported the vintage documentaries seems of bad quality.
How do they compare to the Laserdisc/VHS preservations that guys did from those Making Ofs?
Can somebody post screenshots?
Is William Conrad the narrator of the first Making Of?
Someone on the Blu Ray first impressions thread reported Conrad's narration is intact, but it appears old video masters were used. :/
I got the documentary disc on Ebay, and will hopefully receive it this weekend. More sellers will probably break the sets up there in the near future.
The Brian Daley Han Solo trilogy, the Lando trilogy, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and the old Marvel comics are all the EU I require. ;)
Angel said:
doubleofive said:
Have a (temp) comp!
Nice to see that shot is fixed. Seeing the wooden pylons under the sail barge set was out of place :)
I also noticed that they fixed a glitch in AOTC. After we see the shot when the two guys are talking to the queen in the ship, the following shot has a fly by in the clouds. The last frame of it had one fog layer off in the HDTVs.
Its pretty bad the the fake shaking camera effect glitch is still unfixed (why you took so long scene) You can see the black bars next to obi and anakin :/
-Angel
Funny how those "pylons" are on the minature too. ;)
klokwerk said:
The William Conrad narration is intact. However, a slim bar of discoloration on the lefthand side of the frame indicates that this vintage doc is from a video master and not a film transfer.
Thanks for the info!
If anybody else is looking for individual discs, here's another Ebay seller breaking up a set. Has 100% positive feedback too.
It came out yesterday. My local Fry's only had one copy, and they stuck it in the documentary section.
Definitely going to watch it to shake off the Blus this week. ;)
generalfrevious said:
Maybe not that extreme. But we'll never see the OUT in the quality it deserves. The damage has been done. They were already deteriorating when GL started making the SE, and 20 more years' worth of damage has been done to these movies. It pisses me off that of all the Blu-rays that will be released in the coming years, the OUT will never be there. We shouldn't resort to preserving these films ourselves, something every film studio has done to all movies that have survived to this day, but LFL ignores because they can't tell they are making a new movie every few years based on the OT, and telling people it is SW, and saying you can go fuck yourself if you don't agree with GL. It's like watching your children slowly die of cancer. I know some of you are going to be upset about that, but that is roughly what is happening to these movies. The quality of these Blu-rays is utter shit and no one can say that because LFL has a gun to their head and telling them to say only good things about this release. Did anyone expect this nightmare scenario 25 years ago? No. No one seems to understand this: I wouldn't be so upset here, on this website, if GL had done the proper work in the first place fuck up the OT with all these SE changes ... Deleted... And he continues to show no remorse.
Having lost a loved one to cancer, I can't help but find your analogy a little bit distasteful. There are better ways to make a point.
Mavimao said:
George Lucas has become Yogurt....
Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs-the T-shirt, Spaceballs-the Coloring Book, Spaceballs-the Lunch box, Spaceballs-the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs-the Flame Thrower. And last but not least, Spaceballs the doll, me. Adorable.
If only Mel Brooks made silly CGI changes to Spaceballs every couple of years to spoof what George is doing. ;)
LexX said:
So are all the old docs original or have they messed with them, too?
They have been messed with over the years already. "The Making of Star Wars" had William Conrad's original narration inexplicably replaced with the voice of Don LaFontaine for the mid 1990's VHS release. (Don also voiced all the '97 SE trailers and commercials.) I'm going to be really annoyed if Conrad's voice isn't on there.
"SPFX: The Empire Strike Back" had some Disney movie clips cut for all known past home video releases. (Presumably they couldn't be cleared for home video.) This also affected some of Mark Hamill's narration. A 1980's U.K. broadcast recording posted to youtube proves I didn't hallucinate them. ;)
"Classic Creatures: Return of the Jedi" has never been cut to the best of my knowledge. Hopefully, all the non SW clips have been cleared again.
The Blu Ray specs have these all in standard definition. With Lucasfilm's track record of rehashing really old video masters, that's probably what we're going to get. Classic Creatures may have been edited on broadcast video, but the all the others were done on film.
Why "Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga" was left out of the set is anyone's guess.
According to what I've read at the HTF, it was. With the sheer number of "Forrest Gump" shots they did to put Sisko and the gang into the original TOS footage, it would have cost a lost to recreate them in HD.
I still don't know how Paramount is ever going to be able to release the TMP "Director's Edition" in HD. The CGI house that did the new shots was shuttered several years ago. Very short sighted of Paramount not to pony up the cash for HD renders at the time.
No problem.
If you can rent them first, by all means do so. I'm amazed there are still two Blockbusters left in my town, although there are a couple mom & pop rental places that seem to be doing well even with all those rental machines around.
That's what I've read. Will be interesting if it's been remastered from the original film. Not crazy about the wallpaper on the sides though.
Aren't the movies and tv shows handled by different arms of the same corporate octopus though?
With a few exceptions, they shot real models for TNG. (A couple ILM stock shots of the Enterprise D were actually reused in Generations.) So if the film is in the vault they wouldn't have to CGI everything.
I had heard the upscaled DS9 Tribble episode on the TOS set didn't look very good.
I get lucky once in a while. ;)
I think the only bonus features on the movies are the DVD commentaries and the pieced together one using "archival" interviews. Turns out my best offer for ROTS actually was accepted, so I guess I'll find out.
There are three bonus discs. Disc 7 has the Lucas Archives and Prequel deleted scenes. I wasn't going to bother with it, but that's where they put the Boba Fett cartoon from the HS.
Disc 8 is the OT deleted scenes and other stuff.
Disc 9 has the OT making of docs, the spoofs, and the Trooper doc. Plus other stuff.
I got the bonus discs all by their lonesome, thanks to Ebay.
Will report on them soon as I receive them.
Paramount knows better than to piss off the fans. ;)
TNG is going to be a pain in the ass to rebuild all those episodes from scratch for HD though.
captainsolo said:
The LDs certainly destroy the GOUT. I can only speak from going between the Faces ROTJ and the GOUT. No comparison at all!
Moth3r said:
captainsolo said:
... LD is about 420i and VHS is about 240i IIRC. ...
Sounds like you are confusing video modes with analogue resolution.
Standard definition NTSC video is 480i - that includes VHS, LD and DVD. The video signal contains 480 horizontal lines of picture information (vertical resolution).
The ability of each of these lines to resolve fine detail is dependent on the analogue bandwidth - this can be measured in terms of horizontal resolution (vertical lines on the screen).
Roughly:
VHS = 3MHz, or 240 lines
Laserdisc = 5.5Mhz, 440 lines
DVD = 6.75MHz, 540 linesYou should never confuse this with digital resolution which is simply the number of discrete pixels, e.g. 720 x 480.
You're right. That's what I meant to say essentially. Somehow it got stuck in my head the other way.
SilverWook said:
If collecting LD's is a fetish, does that make one a pervert? ;)
Nope. ;)
I got my Pioneer 704 repaired and refurbished earlier this year by these guys...
http://www.laserdiscservice.com/
I had almost written off my player as scrap before I found them. I actually think it runs better now than when it was new! (The THX-1138 LD capture I sent to myscamore has benefited from it too.) They also sell refurbished machines. Well worth checking out.
Wow! An actual LD repair center! My player has a few hiccups here and there so I might send it in at some point. About how much do they charge to take a look?
This was almost a year ago, but IIRC, it only cost me shipping for them to check the player out. They identified what needed fixing, and gave me a quote. The turn mechanism on my player was busted, the rubber on the spindle was rotted, and the laser pickup had literally fallen off it's little track!
Total repair including return shipping to me in California was $201.50, a bargain in my book.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
What gets me are the people that will fork out $75 for deleted scenes. Is there any other movie in the history of moviedom for which people will spend that kind of money on low res versions of bits that were thrown out? I know we're star wars nerds and all, but geez in a normal world that stuff is worthy of being a free download.
If someone found the all the lost footage from the Wizard of Oz they might. ;)
We should be glad they didn't make them BD Live content. Disney has done this a couple times with extras that were on previously released DVD's and Laserdisc even.