SilverWook

TheBoost said:

Possessed said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

still I think the big part of the problem is that Star Trek is competing with it's self so i think if they removed old Trek from home video and TV that would help a lot and make anew Trek film coming out more of an event that everyone would have to be there for.

 You say some really absurd things sometimes, but I guess we all do.  

 I totally agree. Look how Avengers flopped competing with itself and years worth of comics and cartoons. Lord of the Rings failed because they left the Bakshi film available. Luckily you can't get the original movie serial on BluRay or else both Captain America movies would have tanked.

 Let's not stir that back up already. Ten year old threads are bad enough.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Yeah since when did Picard shoot first and ask questions latter.  The situation in Insurrection is exactly the type of thing he would have talked his way out of on the show, why did it need to turn into a blood bath again.  Also once we get the plot twist that the Baku kicked the Sona off of the planet and now they are dying slowly and painfully there are no straight up good guys.  Now on the show Picard would have refused to take sides once he learned this and used it to force some sort of truce but in the movie he just uses it as another excuse to kill Sona.  The twist didn't change anything so what was the point and Picard is so out of character I don't even think of him as Picard.

I grew up with TNG and I hate the movies because of this, it's painful to admit but it is true. I can't stand the TNG movies.

 What stuck out for me in FC, was his almost casual writing off any crew member who had been assimilated. Never mind he's living proof you can be de-borgified, shoot to kill!

If he had ever met Seven of Nine, that would have been a really awkward conversation. ;)

skyjedi2005 said:

Star Wars changed how films were made and marketed and i love the movie to pieces but it not the most important American film ever made.

Hardly surprising it was supposedly so because Abc is owned by Disney.

No bias there.

 The AFI picked it to represent the entire 1970's in a retrospective of the 20th Century in cinema. Unfortunately, Lucasfilm prevented an OT print from being shown.

Because big screen tv's didn't exist in the 80's. ;)

And this isn't even the biggest one I ever saw. Mitsubishi had one that was the size of a small car!

I suppose, but DS9 had a more complex storyline than TNG or Voyager, and that's a harder sell to fickle studio executives who want a blockbuster movie they can easily promote to non fans.

A Voyager movie could be summed up as "We're lost! In Space! And there's Borg!" ;)

Perhaps because the end of DS9 really didn't leave too many doors open. The Dominion war was over, and Sisko was off hanging the wormhole aliens. Odo left commune with his people, possibly for a long time.

Worf was supposedly going to the Klingon homeworld, but somehow always ends up back on the good ship Enterprise. ;)

Wasn't O'Brien going back to Earth?

Garak was going to stay on Cardassia and help rebuild.

Rom was going to become Grand Nagus, with Leeta at his side, and Nog would likely go where Starfleet wanted to send him.

That just leaves Kira, Bashir, Jake, Quark, Ezri, and Morn, who should have finally spoke and uttered the last word of the series.

So many long ago threads being randomly bumped back to life. When did this board turn into The Walking Dead?

And incredibly, Frink isn't involved. ;)

Stumbled across these, and they are too hilarious not to share.

http://youtu.be/Zp73CJyCp5Q ;)

http://youtu.be/YBu41wFSCnI

I think the DVD's are worth keeping for all the extras the Blu Rays threw out the window, not to mention creepy puppet Yoda. ;)

There are a few early video transfers like that. The fringe benefit is you can unsqueeze them on a modern tv. I've done that with my old LD of The Black Hole. Still a bit cropped, but not pan and scanned either.

Very cool indeed!

Is there caffeine free sugary soda out there though?

What I can't figure out is why Root Beer tastes better from the tap. I can't find a bottled brand where I like the taste at all.

Going by the technical specs, it seems unlikely it was shot that way.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079501/technical?ref_=tt_ql_dt_7

Can you post screenshots?

I should be so lucky. ;)

Ronster said:

SilverWook said:

There is a grand tradition of deception and misdirection in the production of a Star Wars film. Dave Prowse was given phony dialog to say on ESB, and there were fake script pages on Return of the Jedi.

It's not a stretch to imagine J.J. doing this one better, and shoot fake scenes.

 Your saying the teaser trailer is fake? or some of it is fake?

 No. I'm saying it's easy to shoot a fake death scene. Remember when J.R. Ewing's shooter was revealed on Dallas? Most of the cast was filmed doing the deed to prevent the truth from leaking out before the episode aired.

The Simpsons went to the trouble of animating just about every character shooting Mr. Burns to keep everyone in the production pipeline in the dark.

Very few people outside J.J. and the actors know what actually happens in the movie.

http://www.neatorama.com/neatogeek/2015/02/13/The-Silly-Side-Of-Star-Wars-Cosplay/

Some of these are pretty funny, others are pure nightmare fuel...

ATMachine said:

Yeah, as Danfun pointed out, the Star Trek TOS Blu-Rays have both versions of each episode: the unremastered originals and the "improved" remastered editions.

Personally, I prefer the original effects--in the majority of cases. But it's really nice to have both available. Wish I could say the same for Star Wars.

Oh, and the Season 3 Blu-Ray has a special bonus: the original cut of the second pilot, "Where No Man Has Gone Before." This has several pieces of alternate narration from Kirk, and very retro "bumpers" to reintroduce the show on coming back from commercial breaks, at the beginning of each new "act."

This version was actually believed lost for years and years--because Gene Roddenberry donated his personal copy to the Smithsonian, which promptly let it languish in a vault. Some collector in Germany found another copy and let CBS-Paramount use it as a source for a new release.

 Now, that is interesting. Besides the Enterprise, there was another Trek exhibit I saw at the Air and Space Museum back in mid 70's. It was part of a larger display about Science Fiction and it's influence on real space travel. There was a 16mm film loop of the show playing, and it was the second pilot. (The loop was of the Enterprise entering the galaxy barrier.) I think a phaser was on display as well.

There was a similar installation nearby about the Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers serials.

The WNMHGB alternate cut is usually referred to as being Quinn/Martin Production style. Their shows popularized that format in the 60's and continued well into the 70's.

Blame the dentists. ;)

Seriously, I recall some health educational film where they immersed a tooth in sugary soda overnight, and it like it had been dipped in acid or something.

Must be a regional thing, because real sugar sodas easy to find in Southern California. I think it's imported from Mexico. In some smaller supermarkets, I've found brands of soda I didn't even know were still around!

DrCrowTStarwars said:

 

I think it just goes to prove you can't listen to fans because fans are really just a group of people routing for this thing to fail.  Even when you give them exactly what they ask for they will still attack you.  Back in the 80s no one tried harder to get Doctor Who pulled off of the air then the show's so called "fans".

 When was this? I recall quite the concerted effort to get the show back on the air during that forced year long hiatus in 1985. There was even a Band Aid style protest song.

http://youtu.be/d0Qsygogx8Y

If anybody had it in for the dear Doctor back then, it was the Marketing Division of The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation  BBC.

There is a grand tradition of deception and misdirection in the production of a Star Wars film. Dave Prowse was given phony dialog to say on ESB, and there were fake script pages on Return of the Jedi.

It's not a stretch to imagine J.J. doing this one better, and shoot fake scenes.

I believe 99% of the spoilers are crap. The Bovine Stuff ratio was pretty high when the prequels were being made. We will see which way the wind is blowing come April. :)

Danfun128 said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

...They only went the CGI route because the original negatives for the special effects shots were lost so those could not be restored and broadcast in HD like the rest of the content...

Explain the original shots being used in the blu-ray's then...

SilverWook said:

You can pick the the early two episode DVD releases pretty cheap on Ebay these days. Was watching a couple the other night, and they still look good, especially compared to what I saw on tv as a kid. :)

That's fine if you like old transfers. If you want a pre-cgi transfer that looks decent, look up either the japanese star trek laserdisc sets (Log 1, Log 2 and Log 3 for each season) or the 2007 european "Star Trek: The Original Series - The Collector's Edition" dvd set. Both use the same transfer, and before the post 2007 cgi releases were considered the best looking sources. Note that these transfers may or may not be more consistant than the blu-rays with "original shots" mode on. I heard that the ladder was done in a way similar to our communitys despecialized, mixing the post 2007 cgi transfer (used for most footage) with a new transfer of the original footage that may or may not be either HD or restored in any way (used only for the shots that had changes in the post 2007 cgi transfer). Can anybody correct me on that last point, if possible?

 I thought all new transfers were done for the first DVD releases? Presumably the same masters were used for the Sci Fi channel editions. Prior to that, everything was from video transfers done in the early 80's. Even DS9 had to get a new transfer of The Trouble With Tribbles done before they could have Sisko and company pay the 23rd century a visit.

If the Japanese LD's weren't so insanely expensive, I would have bought them by now. They do have some technical faults, and missing footage in an episode or two, but there are some tv specials that have never had a proper video release here. I'd love to see the Japanese title sequence myself.

I thought the TOS remastering crossed the line a tad when they erased a statue that was part of the set in Wink of an Eye. Redoing a matte shot is one thing...

It would be really funny if the original TOS FX raw footage turned up someday. There were so many FX and optical houses involved, it was probably scattered to the winds after the show ended. One of the FX guys later worked on the horror classic Phantasm, and reused the transporter effect for when the mortuary dissolves at the end.