It’s going to take a lot to make Kylo Ren deserving of redemption in my eyes after what he’s done.
I doubt it will ever happen, but Chewie ought to be the one to kill him.
The rebel pilot helmet that Rey put on while she was eating- I’m pretty sure it had the red rebel insignia that was on Luke’s helmet, but I don’t remember any other details. Do you think it’s supposed to be Luke’s, or just a generic rebel helmet?
I wondered that too! There was a crashed X-Wing near the Star Destroyer wreck though.
Max_Rebo said:
The falcon leaves Jakku and is immediately picked up by Solo, so either he was in the area or he was somehow able to detect it and instantly arrive via hyperspace, he said it was easy to track, but tracking ships from a long distance isn’t really a thing that can be done in the Star Wars universe (I can’t think of other examples from the films), but maybe he had previously installed a homing beacon.A homing beacon was mentioned. And the bad guys on the Death Star did track the Falcon to the secret rebel base on Yavin, if you remember.
I don’t remember a homing beacon being mentioned, must have missed it, but it was still damn quick from the falcon entering space to Solo arriving, even if the beacon activated when the ship first powered up.
The falcon was tracked to Yavin because of a homing beacon, without that it would not have been possible, which was my point.
There may have been cuts that compressed the amount of time they were drifting making repairs. The homing beacon could have come on the moment the ship was powered up on Jakku, (it was said it had not flown in years) and Han set course in that direction soon as he detected it.
So as it turns out, it was Ewan McGregor who voiced Obi Wan’s one line in the ‘vision’ sequence:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens
Never suspected that, it sounded like the same Guiness-soundalike from the Rouge One teaser. Or maybe that was also Ewan? In either case he’s certainly did a very good impression.
If you missed it, the line was “Rey! These are your first steps.” Which implies that Obi-Wan spoke to Rey in the past, to the contrary of her memory. So maybe Obi did train Rey a little? And that’s why she’s so strong in the force all at once? Sounds about right.
More likely Luke trained her a bit before she was left on Jakku, but she has little memory of it. The stress of her situation and having touched the lightsaber brings some of it back.
Well, Darth Vader used to murder generals for making fairly small mistakes (in the grander scope anyway). That could hardly have been beneficial for the Empire.
Haha, well I actually agree with you and Silver on this, I’m just trolling you a little bit.
But in the new film, they don’t punish Finn or kill him or anything. Phasma says he didn’t have any problems before so they didn’t discipline him. That’s not a sadistic life and death workplace environment like it seemed to be for officers within Vader’s reach. Seemed like another expedient cop-out to justify a narrative that was fundamentally flawed from the start.
There was only a suspicion of not following orders. Had Finn hung around, there might have been action taken to punish him, (the degree of which can be only speculated) or maybe he would be demoted or sent back for more training.
Did you miss the part where Finn needed someone to fly the Tie Fighter? (Not having flight training is a good way to prevent defections.) And I doubt the New Order bothers treating troops who go mental in the hopes they return to duty. They probably just shoot them.
If he did so well in training that he was placed immediately into an elite unit (with no prior experience), would they really be so quick to kill such a valuable commodity? 😉
You’re the one who brought up that Finn should fake having mental problems. 😉
For me Force Awakens was initially OK, but the more I think about it the worse it gets.
The new characters:
Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo, BB8, were all good. I have very few complaints about any of them. Most of the minor characters were OK, except Snoke was a bit pointless and looked bad.
The returning characters:
Han was good, Leia passable, Chewie acted like chewie (but didn’t quite look like chewie, much better than the ROTS costume, but still wrong).
Was initially annoyed by Luke’s complete absence but I can see why they did it.
C-3PO - There was something really off about the delivery of all the lines, seemed more like a poor impersonation than the original character, really bugged me that he addressed Han as “Han Solo” rather than Captain Solo or General Solo. Also there was something off about the costume, it seemed less shiny, but that may have been for practical reasons to avoid camera reflections etc.
See Return of The Jedi again. He’s not shiny there for much of the film.
The nonsense plot:
Luke goes to find an old jedi temple and leaves a map to his location, when does he do this? before he leaves? or he leaves, finds the temple then makes the map and gives a bit to Max von Sydow, then goes back to the temple? and the rest of the map was somehow in the Imperial archives…
What did he tell Max von Sydow to do with the map? “here’s a secret map, just give it to the first person who comes asking for it”, what if Sydow had died and no one ever found the map would Luke have just stayed on the island till he died?
One of my biggest problems is several populated worlds are destroyed, Leia feels it through the force, so you’ve got to assume Luke felt it, yet he does nothing, just stays on his island waiting for someone to solve his map puzzle. I would hope that might bring him to his senses and make him take action, but maybe he was too far away to feel it through the force?
Luke may have marooned himself, sunk his ship in the ocean to avoid detection, or it’s no longer flyable. Never leave home without your R2 unit!
The starkiller base exhausted the sun it was orbiting in two charges, what was the plan after that? can they move the whole planet to orbit a new sun? or dismantle the whole operation and rebuild it on a new planet? or was the plan to only ever fire two shots, one at the Republic capital, one at the resistance base? That’s a reasonable plan, but someone probably should have said that in the film.
The falcon leaves Jakku and is immediately picked up by Solo, so either he was in the area or he was somehow able to detect it and instantly arrive via hyperspace, he said it was easy to track, but tracking ships from a long distance isn’t really a thing that can be done in the Star Wars universe (I can’t think of other examples from the films), but maybe he had previously installed a homing beacon.
A homing beacon was mentioned. And the bad guys on the Death Star did track the Falcon to the secret rebel base on Yavin, if you remember.
What happened to the poison gas? I may have missed it but I don’t remember anyone re-fixing the poison gas leak.
Han fiddled with a control panel soon after boarding. He probably shut it off.
Hyperdrive now seems to be instantaneous to get anywhere, or maybe they just didn’t travel very far, there were no travelling scenes, just felt wrong. But it’s hard to know how far they travelled as we are never told where Jakku is in relation to anything else.
Star Trek 2009 seemed to have the same issue. Hyperdrive is probably faster now. And the Falcon’s drive could have been upgraded before it was stolen or by any of the people who later had it.
The gun on the falcon jams in position and Finn doesn’t just climb the ladder to use the other one? Not a massive problem but could have made for a fun scene, and they could have saved the trick with the jammed gun for later in the film. Also why didn’t he go to the upper gun and start shooting when the ship was still on the ground?
A line that the upper gun wasn’t working might have helped, unless something was cut?
Why did Captain Phasma have authority to drop the shields for the whole planet, and why did nobody notice that it had happened?
Might as well ask why nobody on the Death Star noticed the tractor beam was turned off. 😉
Did you miss the part where Finn needed someone to fly the Tie Fighter? (Not having flight training is a good way to prevent defections.) And I doubt the New Order bothers treating troops who go mental in the hopes they return to duty. They probably just shoot them.
It appeared that Kylo sensed something wrong with him during and after the battle? He maybe did some quick intel on that trooper upon their return?
I don’t get this either. Ren obviously senses something is off with this dude. Wouldn’t someone like Ren immediately place him in custody and have him interrogated?
Finn’s ability with a lightsaber also might be a massive hint about something. 😉
This is a spoiler-laden thread. You’re free to expound upon your theories 😃
I don’t think every potential Jedi is born with Force abilities fully “switched on”. Ren is sensing something from Finn, but he’s too pissed off and distracted by not getting the map to really ponder if it’s more than fear.
So, you’re saying they’re surrounded by assholes? 😉
Finn’s ability with a lightsaber also might be a massive hint about something. 😉
I thought he said he started out in sanitation?
And someone can do lots of training simulations, pass with flying colors, and still choke when confronted with the real deal. Remember Lt. Gorman in Aliens?
As they have begun production, we will probably have something to discuss before too long.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wars-episode-8/cast-plot-rumours-spoilers/
Now they’re using old fan edit tricks? Awesome!
Silver, I think there’s a lot of prequel-type apologia going on with this movie right now. Once again I don’t mean that as a put down or attack, I just think some of you are wanting to make more out of this movie than it is, tirelessly attempting to explain away such clear and obvious flaws. YMMV though.
No, it’s people simply trying to making sense of what they just saw. (We discuss the OT too.) Some people here did miss bits of the plot, like the discussion of Finn’s defection explaining the stormtroopers are indoctrinated as children. Before the internet, we had discussions at school, or we wrote letters to Starlog magazine.
However, if Bad Robot and Disney want to bribe me to defend the film, my house needs a new furnace. 😉
Where was the montage in Empire?
One thing I still am not to fond of is the pull out of light speed behind their shields in order to bypass them… not only did it feel incredibly rushed but it seems like the Star Wars equivalent of Treknobabble, and if it was that easy why bother disabling the shields at all? Couldn’t the X-Wing squadron have just done the same thing to lead into their attack?
Perhaps because it’s an old smugglers trick, requiring an incredible amount of timing and luck, and they almost slammed the Falcon into the planet attempting it?
It’s entirely possible Rey had a bit of training before she was sent away, and it kicked in while in the middle of a really bad situation.
Star Wars without a big ball of death, is like Flash Gordon without Ming trying to destroy the Earth. 😉
I think the tension and worry for those of us who couldn’t take a vacation from the forums, and avoid spoilers completely was a unique situation. I will probably be more relaxed going into my second viewing in a week or two.
The Resistance base looked far too much like a set than a real world location, especially compared to Hoth or Yavin.
You do know they used a real RAF military base for that, right?
There’s a definite lack of older people in the New Order. I can’t recall seeing anyone that could have been an adult when the Empire fell. And the young can be duped into thinking the Empire was a noble institution cruelly snuffed out.
Beware, there are jerks spoiling TFA in the comments there!
Alas, dollars is what the studios care about. Still, it’s nice that the movie is breaking some records?
Wasn’t Kenny Baker going to be in the movie too? Not that Artoo had much to do.
I wonder where Warwick Davis appears?
By late 1977, every kid knew Vader was a Lord of The Sith, even though none of us knew what the heck it meant. 😉
The fourth disc of the 2004 DVD set has them, woven into the doc Empire of Dreams.