SilverWook

As I’m no Seth fan, I’m as confused as you are, believe me!

Moth3r has been absent over two months and nobody seems to notice. I’m worried about him!

Jay has a life and a job. That’s why we have moderators. I’m sorry you didn’t get the memo on our new employee, but the announcement was visible at the top of every sub forum.

Nobody can ban a member except Jay or a mod. Therefore, if someone tells you why they banned you, they’re probably a mod.

Was it just me or did the Klingons sound odd? Like their voices were processed in some way. They also came off a bit stiff, like actors speaking another language phonetically. Which they are of course, but Klingonese sounded more natural in the short bits we’ve had in previous series. As some people really hate subtitles, if they don’t start using the ol’ Universal Translator soon, such long stretches of Klingonese may get tedious.

I find the whole reverence for the dead body aspect odd since TNG era Klingons seem to have had little regard for what they considered empty husks.

chyron8472 said:

For me it’s the adventure. I like lighthearted adventure. And space. And interesting characters.

The humor is crass, but that’s… that’s Seth MacFarlane. I just really do hope it doesn’t devolve from crudely obnoxious into deliberately offensive like some of Seth’s other stuff has.

Seems pretty mild compared to his animated shows.

I did go into it with low expectations, thanks to misleading promos by FOX.

LOL! I want a cover that actually says Least Offensive Edition now! That could cover so many discs.

It looks wonderful!

The specs should probably mention original 16mm mono and Laserdisc Dolby Stereo.

The 2009 release is what you want. It’s bare bones and MPEG 2, but no DNR.

A more self contained pilot might have helped make a better first impression. Getting half a story on tv the other night felt like a ripoff. It certainly wasn’t enough to make me say “take my money!”

I’ve only seen two episodes of The Orville so far, yet those are the characters I’d like to hang out with.

https://youtu.be/k-ss24rMuO0

You’re forgetting J. Michael Straczynski had pitched B5 to Paramount before DS9 was conceived.

chyron8472 said:

Every Trek series has its haters. It’s just Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise get a lot more hate because.
Because? I dunno, because haters gonna hate.

Deep Space Nine got hate because 1) it was a Babylon 5 ripoff, and 2) the cast was stuck on the station and didn’t go anywhere (such people didn’t watch during the Defiant years).

Voyager got hate because 1) it was a TNG rehash, 2) the captain was female, 3) it didn’t challenge cultural norms. 4) have a major story arc with the renegade terrorists that are the Maquis, 5) it nerfed the Borg.

Enterprise got hate because 1) It was on UPN and not everyone had UPN; 2) it had several callbacks to the other series rather than standing as its own show.

Also, apparently plenty of people seem to think Rick Berman held the franchise back by not rocking the cultural boat.

They all did callbacks to other series, even the films. McCoy was in Encounter at Farpoint. Spock and Scotty showed up a few seasons later. DS9 revisited the Tribbles epsiode, brought back Kang, Koloth and Kor, (further highlighting the Klingon headridges issue) and Voyager revisited Captain Sulu.

Enterprise aired on UPN, Paramount’s now defunct attempt at a fifth broadcast network in the U.S. They didn’t have enough stations to begin with and didn’t have them in key cities that figure heavily into tv ratings. (The Nielsen ratings system was an inaccurate joke even when TOS was on NBC, but it’s what the industry swears by to estimate what people are watching.) I knew fans who were downloading the show as they had no other way to see it. Online viewing was not factored into viewership at the time.
UPN fell apart not long after Enterprise was cancelled at the end of season 4. More people probably saw it in reruns on the Sci Fi channel.

I was talking about Enterprise which is set a century before TOS.

chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

NeverarGreat said:

chyron8472 said:

NeverarGreat said:

Fun fact: I watched the pilot for Enterprise for the first time right before watching Discovery.

Both pilots left me with much the same feeling.

I love Enterprise. All of the senior staff are great. Archer, T’Pol, Trip, Reed, Hoshi, and Travis. They all are interesting characters in their own right. And Scott Bakula is a fantastic actor.

The main problem Enterprise has is actually addressed by Archer himself—they keep getting drawn in to the temporal cold war so much that Archer has to straight up tell Daniels to knock it off.

I haven’t seen more than the pilot for Enterprise, but save from the song choices it wasn’t bad. The actors are decent, but I’ve no desire to see the rest of the show. Same with Discovery. I enjoy Michelle Yeoh but the crew interaction doesn’t endear me to them at all.

You could just skip to season 3 and 4. 😉

What is wrong with the first two seasons?

Like TNG, it took them a while to find out what kind of Trek they wanted to be. The show just kind of meanders along aside from the Temporal Cold War arc. It’s Season 3 that ups the ante with a season long arc with a lot of cliffhangers, and 4 is where they really hit their stride and become the TOS prequel it should have been.
There are some good episodes in the first two seasons and some clunkers. Probably less than Voyager had.

NeverarGreat said:

chyron8472 said:

NeverarGreat said:

Fun fact: I watched the pilot for Enterprise for the first time right before watching Discovery.

Both pilots left me with much the same feeling.

I love Enterprise. All of the senior staff are great. Archer, T’Pol, Trip, Reed, Hoshi, and Travis. They all are interesting characters in their own right. And Scott Bakula is a fantastic actor.

The main problem Enterprise has is actually addressed by Archer himself—they keep getting drawn in to the temporal cold war so much that Archer has to straight up tell Daniels to knock it off.

I haven’t seen more than the pilot for Enterprise, but save from the song choices it wasn’t bad. The actors are decent, but I’ve no desire to see the rest of the show. Same with Discovery. I enjoy Michelle Yeoh but the crew interaction doesn’t endear me to them at all.

You could just skip to season 3 and 4. 😉

Most movies since then have been lousy conversions. It’s a pity the good stuff from the 50’s isn’t revived around Halloween so modern audiences can see what a good 3D film is actually like. Not like they have to make prints anymore.

Lord Tobias said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

YodaFan67 said:

I honestly don’t care if this is spoiled for me. Not sure why, but I don’t.

I don’t care either. The ST joins TCW in the realm of interesting but essentially inconsequential possible worlds which, to me, aren’t part of the “real” SW Universe.

I hope the next two sequels come out all right, but I have no real emotional investment in The Adventures of Rey Random to speak of, so I remain an apathetic sumbitch.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out

http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Updated-OTcom-Forum-Rules-and-Guidelines-Applies-to-all-forums-including-Off-Topic/id/52717

Yes, please show some restraint while he’s away.

Enterprise premiered just two weeks after 9/11, and I was so glad to have new Trek to watch. Even my dad who was never into Trek tuned in.

At least it didn’t leave us on cliffhanger with a sign that says Insert six bucks to continue. 😛

South Park pretty much nailed the plotline before anyone saw it.

chyron8472 said:

After watching the first part/episode, the crew apparently has several years of history together, and yet they often interact as though it’s the maiden voyage; The captain asks questions of the first officer in a manner that sometimes is unclear whether the captain is testing the first officer or is just legitimately uninformed; The first 12 minutes are extremely dialogue heavy with very little relevance to the story; and the first officer and science officer needlessly bicker. In previous Treks, while crewmates might disagree, there was a clear chain of command or at the very least respect, but this crew seems to lack that. At best, the first officer seems the captain’s pupil, and the crewmates bicker just because.

Oddly enough, the best part about the pilot is the Klingons, not the Starfleet crew.

And while yes, I agree that the title sequence feels like it could be in a medical drama, I didn’t think it was generally bad, just didn’t have the feeling of exploring “Space, the final frontier…”

The truth of the matter is, the Kelvin Timeline felt much more like Prime Universe Trek than this does.

Wait, this isn’t the Kelvin timeline? 😉

I’m liking The Orville more at this point, but I saw two episodes of that. Would be funny if a “feud” developed between the two shows the way there was friction between the DS9 and Babylon 5 camps for a time.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Wait, it’s a two-parter? And the second part won’t be available on regular TV?

Sometimes I think Paramount wants to fail.

CBS. You can only blame Paramount for the movies these days.