Phil Tippett got to play with the toys first…
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This pic caused speculation over the years that there was a deleted scene featuring a Krayt dragon. It’s actually the Dragonslayer puppet.
Let’s play nice in the thread, kids.
I don’t even want to imagine the pro Maclunkey arguments now. 😉
I personally have a soft spot for the arguments supporting Luke’s scream in Cloud City. One of us! One of us!
Ruining a silent sacrifice befitting a Jedi aside, it’s that it’s so obviously not Mark screaming. What thought process ended with Hey, let’s use an Emperor’s scream outtake and take an early lunch. Nobody will know!
Seriously though, how hard would it have been to get Mark Hamill in front of a mic and yell?
And they took it out for the next version anyway, how do the Flannelheads™ rationalize that reversion?
Mildly reassuring that TP is slowly showing up on shelves again.
Lucas’ main inspiration, Flash Gordon had a lot of scantly clad damsels in distress and even Flash himself was bare chested almost as often as Captain Kirk. The 1930’s serials reflected this, (as much as the production code allowed at the time) and the 1980 movie made it more overt, as did the Filmation version. The animated Princess Aura was pretty smoking hot for Saturday morning tv!
I don’t know if Lucas was asking McQuarrie to draw Leia in skimpy outfits, but Carrie is on record that the infamous metal bikini in ROTJ was George’s idea.
I’ve been putting up with that mindset since at least the early 2000’s. Gave up on a Trek forum, (one with a general SF discussion board) and the Home Theater Forum because I was just plain weary of the Groundhog Day/temporal loop those discussions always seemed to end up in. Thank goodness I found OT, and for the life of me, I don’t even recall how I found it.
I don’t even want to imagine the pro Maclunkey arguments now. 😉
Note there is nothing good about Luke having to turn himself in to nullify detection. This makes him a liability - not an asset! What turned the tide of the battle was Chewbacca hijacking a Scout Walker, not the fact that Luke was in the throne room. The movie should be called Return Of The Wookiee.
I like the sound of that. 😄
Good luck with reopening your business. I’m curious how barbers and hairstylists are going to operate in the strange new world.
I haven’t had a haircut in two months and I’m already contemplating shaving my head, not that I can even buy clippers at this point. 😉
IIRC, Lucas is on record saying Yoda came about because someone had to train Luke.
I would think Obi Wan would have resumed training Luke and stay close to the Rebellion wherever they went. Leia and other surviving Rebel leaders would probably want General Kenobi’s counsel from time to time. Although had Obi Wan survived into ESB, he could have sacrificed himself in some way early on, (facing off with Vader again to buy the Rebels time to escape Hoth) and still have directed Luke to Dagobah.
Sir Alec was already dealing with fanboys at this point, and probably wouldn’t have minded being killed off in the second film.
Kind of surprised the Infinities comics didn’t toy with the Obi Wan lives scenario.
Trailers for 1.85 films were sometimes formatted to match the aspect ratio of the 2.35 films they were intended to be attached to. When they weren’t, a projectionist had to manually switch lenses on the projector before the main feature or else the image would be distorted. I would often see the lens switchover if the projectionist wasn’t fast enough. Digital projection and automatically controlled adjustable height screens has done away will all of this of course.
Since Spongebob was animated digitally, it’s possible they went back to the original files to make the trailer, the same way Pixar made a 1.33 version of A Bug’s Life. Some shots may have also been redone after the trailer was made. Note the slight background differences here.
Does the Hasslehoff live action shot have more picture info?
I was basing my statement on what the nice lady who cleans my teeth had to say about XP still being used in the dentist’s office. It seems weird that 7 would just be tossed under the bus when it’s younger than XP.
I’ve said this before but a simple dialogue tweak would fix this. If Luke had said to Leia “I have to turn myself in, I’m endangering the mission. The Sith can feel my presence and know that we’re here. I’ll allow myself to be captured - Vader will take me to the Emperor himself and I will make sure he’s on the Death Star when the attack is launched”.
That would just make Luke a “captain obvious” to those in the audience who cannot make 1+1=2 on their own. On the other hand, it would ruin things in-universe. Luke probably knew and accepted that it was a suicide mission and that he would most likely die if the Death Star was blown off (whether or not Vader was redeemed). Why the hell would he tell such a thing to Leia and make her upset before such a crucial mission she was about to undertake? The way he handled it was very wise; he did not lie but he did not tell her that he is going off on a suicide mission either.
I’m not sure telling her that the guy who tortured her and stood by while her homeworld was obliterated was a) her father and b) strangely worthy of a crack at ‘the good side’, was much better than Luke taking on a heavy mission.
I must be the audience who can’t add 1+1. Luke’s only stated mission is the redemption of Vader. While insane violence is occurring outside, Luke’s primary focus is not losing his cool and avoiding a confrontation with Vader. When he finally kicks Vader’s butt - rather than follow through by doing anything proactive in terms of the war - Luke throws his weapon aside and declares himself a Jedi. People are being incinerated by a super-laser by order of the man standing before him and Luke chooses to disarm himself and declare his own enlightenment. How is any of this remotely helpful to the thousands of sentient beings suffering at the hands of the Imperial juggernaut? What in all this makes anyone think that Jedi Knights are a good idea, especially in a war situation?
Indeed you are the audience member that can’t add 1+1. I’m pretty sure Leia knew that Tarkin and The Emperor had more to do with what happened to her and her homeworld than Vader did (acting within their orders, not questioning them due to extensive brainwashing/basically being their slave). Remember how Vader criticized the Death Star at the meeting? If he was calling the shots, Tarkin and The Emperor wouldn’t have their plaything.
Also, for the “Luke could save so many lives thing,” what’s to say that killing The Emperor will stop the battle? The Star Destroyers, Death Star personnel, and Endor ground troops will still act under their initial orders to fight. Whatever Luke does, many will die in the fight. What he will do really doesn’t impact the battle outside and that’s fine.
Again, I maintain that you’re engaging in bad-faith criticism that really misses the point of the movie and the series, so I respectfully disagree with you.
You seem to be forgetting - as does this movie - who Darth Vader is. This is a guy whose first act in ANH was to lift a man up by his neck and crush his larynx. Vader wasn’t some misunderstood kindly old man. He was a brute and a killer. Sure, he may have questioned the value of the Death Star, but he was by means just an unwilling spectator. Look at the way he murdered everyone who disagreed with him in TESB, or had Han screaming in genuine agony on a torture rack purely to get Luke’s attention.
I know, that’s the entire point. The message of the movie is that anyone can change, even the most feared person in the galaxy. His previous atrocities only reinforce how shocking it is that he was able to return from darkness. It’s very much a hopeful conclusion, not the messed up thing you’re painting it as.
So if you were in Luke’s situation you wouldn’t try to get the Emperor in a headlock and order him to call off the battle? I know I would. So would Han or Chewie or Wedge or Leia or just about anyone who isn’t hung up on space-Buddhism.
Once again, that’s the whole point. The Jedi aren’t like other people in the galaxy, they’re more selfless and nonviolent. Any normal person would just kill Palpatine, but Luke held out hope in Vader until the end, and it paid off. This reinforces Yoda’s teachings in ESB: “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.” It would be against the spirit of the OT for Luke to just kill Palpatine.
It’s not about what Luke could have done so much as what he should have intended. Again I return to my Ewok party scenario. Let’s say Wedge asks “hey Luke, what happened up there man?”. Luke says “well, I was in the throne room with Vader and the Emperor when Palpatine started blowing our ships up”. Wedge would be like “damn, so you kicked his ass right? 'cos I would’ve kicked his ass man!”. Luke would have to admit “uh, well no, 'cos as a Jedi I’m not really allowed to get angry. I mean I did lose my temper and bring Vader to his knees at one point…”. So Wedge would be like “oh cool, so then you stopped the bad guys right?”. Luke - “uh, not exactly 'cos Vader’s my dad and again, violence is just not in keeping with where I need to be spiritually, so I threw my lightsaber away.” Wedge looks dumbfounded. “But” Luke says “on the plus side this does make me a Jedi so…every cloud…”
Yeah, Luke having to explain all this to his friends would be awkward. But I think they would understand that Luke’s philosophy requires him to be nonviolent whenever possible, and they would take comfort in the fact that Vader and Palpatine are dead, no matter how they died. I certainly don’t think he would be branded a war criminal for it.
Yes, all of this (except like having to explain to his friends being awkward, as I explained in my post earlier).
I also forgot another point I meant to make regarding Luke throwing his lightsaber away. As I mentioned, it’s a way of him checking himself for being tempted to go down the dark path as well as an emotional Hail Mary to appeal to Vader. And it’s an extreme chance to take in his situation, but taking extreme chances is a major trait of the Jedi, OT, PT, and on. Just a few examples: Luke turning off his targeting computer, obi-wan and Yoda trusting Luke to defeat the empire, Luke’s force projection on Crait, Ohio-wan agreeing to train Anakin, etc etc. The Jedi take chances a LOT.
Ohio-Wan??
Arguably, Luke does distract Palpatine from micro managing the battle too closely, and Vader might have had an impact had he been outside in his TIE fighter.
As Vader never says Leia’s name out loud, does he only sense Luke has a sister, but not her actual identity?
Those are good points.
I would also bring up the question whether Luke even believed that rebels could actually defeat the imperial fleet and destroy the Death Star.
Luke didn’t make the Ewoks into allies just because they’re cute. 😉
There’s a conversation on the set in the Star Wars to Jedi doc where George is explaining to Mark how being kind to the rabbit on the side of the road helps the hero to slay the evil queen, or something to that effect.
It’s also worth asking exactly how much chance Luke has of killing the Emperor in a straight-up fight. Vader’s betrayal clearly took Palpatine by surprise. But if Luke just raised his lightsaber and tried to cut him down, I’m sure he had some Force lightning up his sleeve even if Vader was out of the picture.
Yoda’s warning to Luke to not underestimate the Emperor dovetails nicely with how he got his green butt kicked in ROTS.
Arguably, Luke does distract Palpatine from micro managing the battle too closely, and Vader might have had an impact had he been outside in his TIE fighter.
As Vader never says Leia’s name out loud, does he only sense Luke has a sister, but not her actual identity?
And professional versions of 7 will probably be supported for years. I was surprised to see my dentist still uses XP in their office. It’s the pro version. It’s us poor consumers who get these upgrades pushed on us.
My venerable Sony VAIO laptop is just a noisy fan, overheating, prematurely shutting down mess and can’t run 10 anyway. (In spite of Microsoft’s frequent attempts to install 10 behind my back.) It’s been a pain in the asteroid finding a new PC since everything that can be used for a home office is pretty much sold out now, and I can ill afford to drop 1K on a gaming laptop at the moment.
I have a less than three year old HP laptop I use for writing and light web use when traveling that can’t install the latest bloated 10 updates. A 32gb hard drive doesn’t cut it anymore and this model can’t be expanded.
I was able to get a Trekstor Primebook within my budget. While I’m not 100% thrilled with it, (minor flaw in the extreme upper corner edge of the LCD display and eccentric touchpad) it’s amazingly free of pre-installed crap I’ll never use. The other saving grace is an expansion port for another SSD as 10 gobbed up all but 30gb of a 64gb drive.
As said above, there are ways to make 10 a little bit like 7. This S mode crap might as well be ransomware though.
I didn’t mean to cause a big debate on the matter, but it definitely is pretty interesting to try and figure out the timeline of ideas and the motivations behind Kurtz departing Star Wars.
We’re all collectively climbing the walls these days, what else are we going to do? 😃
Another point, the Rebels didn’t even know Luke was on the Death Star. The only one he told was Leia.
Who’s he having to explain himself too?Surely, these guys asked where Luke got off to?
I dunno. I’ve never heard a grunt ask brass where a commander went. If they did, She could have told them he was on a secret mission or any such junk if she thought they’d get upset with the truth.
Which they wouldn’t & it continues to be a silly agrument.
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Another point, the Rebels didn’t even know Luke was on the Death Star. The only one he told was Leia.
Who’s he having to explain himself too?
Surely, these guys asked where Luke got off to?
After years of speculation on the subject, I’ve finally found proof 16mm prints were made, of the first film at least.
https://www.bd-cine.com/fiche.php?id=16318
Alas, it’s been sold. 😕
I would think Alderaan being blown up would have some unpleasant effects on their orbits, not to mention a increased threat of asteroids.
Han dying would have been a tremendous slap in the face.
We just spent a movie watching Han & Leia fall in love which ends tragically, but a glimmer of hope. That hope needs to pay off, not die off.
I think Hans character was underused & at times misunderstood in Jedi, but killing him isn’t the answer.Also, the “Leia becomes Queen” thing…
Queen of what? She was the princess of a planet that was destroyed years ago. When we first meet her, she’s mostly using the princess thing as a ruse, hiding the fact that she’s part of the Rebel military.
I wouldn’t put it past George, given the slaughter fest that is the first ten minutes of Battle For Endor. And I thought Alien 3 was a knee to the groin! 😉
I thought George’s beef was with the DGA and that didn’t happen until Empire was finished? The IMDB lists Kazanjian as an uncredited producer on ESB, but how much overlap was there between the end of Empire’s production and the beginning of pre-production on Raiders?
From what I’ve read about The Shining both ESB and Raiders were waiting for Kubrick to finish at Elstree so they could move into the soundstages. Howard would have been a very busy guy juggling two Lucasfilm productions at once.
The original making of ESB book, Once Upon a Galaxy has Kurtz around well into the post production period.
