SilverWook

moviefreakedmind said:

ZigZig said:

SilverWook said:

As for any ethical issue, Cushing’s estate gave it’s blessing.

OK, so there is no legal issue. But I am not sure that an estate’s blessing is enough to eliminate any ethical issue.

I think this is important because Peter Cushing definitely did not agree to star in a film made decades after his death, regardless of however much money his estate was given. I also am curious how you all would feel when and if they do CGI Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, Alec Guinness, and whoever else they want to recreate. I think it sets a very creepy precedent.

Dead celebrities have been pitching products for years they never signed up to do. The Audrey Hepburn commercial a few years back being a prime example. Recreating a character is less creepy than a dead actor shilling for a candy company.
I don’t see this being an issue for Star Wars as there’s only so many side stories they could do in the OT era where running into the original characters would be anything more than a stunt and more universe shrinkage. Rogue One would have been weird without Tarkin.

And I’ll still take CGI Tarkin over this guy.

moviefreakedmind said:

SilverWook said:

Not everyone is as sophisticated as we are, mentally dissecting every aspect of a film as we watch.

This does not describe me. I am not sophisticated, and I do not mentally dissect every aspect of films that I watch. I’m extremely forgiving of a lot of things, including the ending to The Stand. I don’t think my complaints about Tarkin are nitpicks.

You’re an OT.com member. Noticing CGI things is a prerequisite. 😉

They might care that their new boss could not kill the legendary Luke Skywalker. Is he even fit to lead them now?

That’s George’s secretary as Greedo for the Cantina insert shots they did back in the states.

So, everybody has forgotten or didn’t see the blink and you’ll miss it shot of those ancient Jedi books stashed away on the Falcon? Rey may not have a living trainer, but she’s got the instruction manuals.

A lot of FO guys witnessed what Luke did. (More than the troopers who saw Obi Wan vanish, but those guys all got shot.) Gossip spreads pretty fast. The FO will find that a lot harder to spin doctor than rumors of a lone defector.

Yes. Most of the people involved have other things taking priority at the moment.

It’s a safe bet Luke is going to regularly appear hovering over Kylo’s bed at night just to make his life miserable. 😉

She does have that set of Encyclopedia Jedi that found their way into a bin on the Falcon. 😉

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.

And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.

According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.

But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?

The thing is, who else was there to witness Jake’s actions? No one except the FO and the remaining 20 or so reliance / rebel fighters left at the end. Who is going to listen to and believe them when no one took heed in TFA when they were thousands strong and trying to warn of an imminent threat to the entire New Republic who were only there in the first place because of the efforts of Leia, Han, Luke and the rebellion? If no one came to their aid then or after the destruction of those 5 planets OR after they broadcast a call for help near the end of TLJ in the aftermath of what the FO clearly represent for the future of the Galaxy, who the hell are going to help them in IX when they are a handful of rugged people on a single small ship?

.Val

The scuttlebutt about what Luke did is going to spread through the ranks of the FO like wildfire.
Jake who? 😉

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m going to be completely honest, and it’ll make me sound conspiratorial and a little crazy, but I actually don’t believe anyone that says they “completely” bought the CGI Tarkin. I’ll buy that they didn’t think it was CGI since the idea of using computer animation to insert a deceased actor into a film and give the model a prominent role is still pretty insane to most people, but there’s no way that they didn’t have a thought in the back of their head along the lines of, “This looks weird.”

Not everyone is as sophisticated as we are, mentally dissecting every aspect of a film as we watch. My companions are not horror film fans and were not even aware Peter Cushing was no longer among the living until I brought it up.
Also, I saw R1 in 70mm IMAX twice, not digital. Tarkin held up pretty well, only one or two shots seemed off to me, but I was scrutinizing it more.

As for any ethical issue, Cushing’s estate gave it’s blessing.

Ok. I thought we discussed the CGI Tarkin issue at length in the year since R1 came out though.

Why did this need it’s own thread again?

It’s only CGI if you know it’s CGI. The people I saw R1 with who were not familiar with Peter Cushing bought it completely.

DrDre said:

NFBisms said:

Even then, it’s clearly not an end-of-war victory; the goal was to get what’s left of the Resistance the hell away from the FO safely, and Luke accomplished it.

No war in the history of the world was won by killing every single enemy soldier. What happened at the end of TLJ wasn’t a victory for the Resistancs in any shape or form. The Resistance lost, but a few survived, as in any lost war. The Resistance has no allies. Everyone has turned their backs to them. If for the sake of argument the FO creates a benevolent dictatorship or perhaps even some form of democracy, the Resistance have zero change of ever rising again. So, the few Resistance members still alive have their fate lying completely in the FO’s hands. The Resistance cannot win, the only thing that can happen is for the FO to screw up. It’s quite ironic really.

Those allies who didn’t answer the distress call might still factor into the next film. How they will be convinced to join the fight is anyone’s guess.

Liam Neeson beats people up is it’s own genre now. 😉

Mike O said:

I have the first ever TCM airing of this on SP VHS apparently, according to Osborne in the intro. Maybe I do have the theatrical cut. Any scenes which would immediately stick out? I’ve never seen the film before.

If the Albino lizard doesn’t have wings and antennae, it’s theatrical.

TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

How are people ignoring TFA to love TLJ exactly?

VI is ROTJ, Frink.

Shut up no one asked you.

Mind your manners.

Come on Wook it was a joke. He corrected me, I told him to shut up, then I followed up immediately by fixing the question - admitting he was right without actually admitting it.

Sorry it wasn’t more obvious.

Ok. Long day and eyestrain to boot.

A mind boggling article on recovering a lost tv program from a 16mm reel that’s turned into a mass of goo, and can’t be unspooled.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2017-12-morecambe-wise-video-film-archive-restoration

Handman said:

The site’s been around for nearly 15 years now. Lots have come and gone. It’s hard to imagine now, but the amount of time before Frink (and most other regulars I see besides Warbler and the mods) joined this forum is a little bit longer than the time he’s been here.

It’s scary sometimes that I’ve been hanging around this joint this long. 13 years as of last month. When some ancient thread gets exhumed, I look at old names and wonder if they’re alive and well.

Sounds like we need a I didn’t know that thing was still a thing thread.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

How are people ignoring TFA to love TLJ exactly?

VI is ROTJ, Frink.

Shut up no one asked you.

Mind your manners.

AveKender said:

Personally I think all of the storytelling problems in the ST come from the First Order. The enemy should have been a legion of extragalactic invaders.

The old Marvel comic actually resorted to that in the lean post ROTJ years. The Rebellion and the remnants of the Empire had to join forces to save the Galaxy.

It’s been unusually quiet in my neighborhood today. People must really be hung over. 😛

http://myfox8.com/2018/01/01/time-travel-flight-takes-off-in-2018-lands-in-2017/