Siliconmaster482

Hmm. Seems like the best, if maybe impossible, thing to do would be to get a better looking wampa in those shots. Best of both worlds.

ladyferry said:

Why is everyone so anti SE wampa?

Indeed. After seeing the old versions, I actually like the SE additions. I admit that the continuity is off, but the "sliding arm" isn't exactly ominous. At all. :P

doubleofive said:

*woosh*

That's the sound of this whole thing going over my head.

Same here. I usually try to understand everything, but this particular discussion has me ready to just give up and wait to see what the final product looks like. :P

cafevincent said:

I have the NTSC DVD9 and I love it but for maximum quality (and speed boost) I would like to have the PAL DVD9. Does it exist anywhere anymore? Linktalk and P2P (torrent/ed2k) don't seem to have it.

Interesting- I love the pacing of the original NTSC, and would never watch it in PAL. :P

Those screenshots are consistent with that I would imagine the viewing angle would have to be for one to see the hull out the windows. From the usual "back of the room forward" view, we would only see the area above the hull, not the hull itself. Since in the OT there were never (as far as I remember) many shots on a SD or SSD bridge closer to the windows, the hull does not need to be added in, as cool as it would be.

steamboy said:

If that guy is normal, it's pretty clear why they lost Hoth to the Empire ; ) Well, I dont mind him being a normal guy, but his reaction (reading the line) should sound more like "What the fuck!?" instead of "Yeah the Empire...  but has anyone seen my stapler?".

Hahaha. You definitely have a good point there. Ok, you've convinced me. :)

We always noticed that line too, but it never occured to me that it would be worth changing. I agree with the "normal guy" stance. I wouldn't mind if Ady changed it, but I don't mind it the way it is either.

Ziz said:

Before he can do either, he needs a shot to pull elements from (or matte elements to) that doesn't jump around from one frame to the next.  It's not a matter of if he wants to fix it, but of doing the necessary prep work to be able to fix it properly.

IOW, he has to fix the base shot before he can fix the details within it.

Ah. Thanks for the explanation. : )

ben_danger said:

the whole MIA thing scares me. i know its off topic and a bit morbid, but if any of us just died noone would know, its not like we have family to inform forums, or we even use accurate names half the time.:P i mean, does anyone know what happened to the phantom editor?

Yeah, that had also occurred to me, but there's not a whole lot one can do about that, is there? Just hope sobody you know will inform the online community.

I assume then that the decision is to get rid of the window completely, not to try to add it into the later shots? I'm fine with either, but I'm always one for open areas.

rcb said:

like the music, bad for the trailer.

Ditto. Most horribly overused music for trailers, especially the youtube variety. I agree that some lower-key, unfamiliar music may work, maybe transitioning into the familiar themes of Star Wars farther into the trailer. So far I love the trailers that Adywam puts out- they have enough of a nostalgic mystique to them that they serve both the purpose of an actual trailer for each episode as well as a "hey look, this is awesome" Revisited aspect. Those elements on the scale of the SE trailer would be great.

Ziz said:

Maybe when ROTJ:R is far enough along, Ady could make a side trip to re-do that trailer with his own clips.  :-)

Now there's a really cool idea. Wait until you have footage from all 3, then do a full "Original Trilogy Revisited" trailer. Maybe even throw in some of that great cg work to update the already semi-outdated looking trailer effects. That would be a fine trailer indeed.

Yeah, sorry. I did mean to add something on-topic to my previous post, but seem to have forgotten.

I am definitely looking forward to the new trailer. Sometimes trailers are better than the final movie- I know that both the trailer and the final product will be fantastic. :D

vbangle said:

You couldn't be more wrong. Hayden can't act to save his life. Does he even know what method acting is? I doubt it.

The stiff has one look on his face for every emotion....is his character mad? Que the "Hayden Stare". Is his character happy? Que the "Hayden Stare".

I've seen no name off brodway actors with way more talent than Mr. Woodie.

You want to know the mark of a good actor? No matter how crappy the script, a good actor can pull it off, Hayden can't.

As much as I don't like his acting in the prequels, see "My life as a house". He actually does a great job as a teenager in that movie. Which is exactly why he shouldn't have been cast in the prequels- he's a good actor in certain roles, which nobody seems to have figured out, so they keep putting him in bad ones.

As for acting vs dialogue, take a look at Natalie Portman- she's a great actor, but can you tell from the prequels? No. Liam Neeson did a good job with what he had, as did Ewan McGregor, but when you have dialogue as horrendous as those in the love scenes, it's hard to do anything good with them. Even so, Hayden shouldn't have been Anakin.

^ lol. Welcome to the forums. :)

Ripplin said:

Best not to tempt fate by shouting our love for the Revisited edits from the rooftops, so to speak.

Well, it's a little late on my end. :P My distribution/ranting quotia of IV is now up to 6 copies in 2 weeks, not including a LOT of showing around those Bespin comparison stills. Everyone is blown away when they see them. I think as long as we keep it grassroots, and avoid full-scale publicity, letting people know about it is a good thing.

Ouch- never thought of that. A cease-and-desist would be a disaster for this project. D:

I agree. We need to start waving the banners. :D Let the world know that Lucas does not have a monopoly on Star Wars! [/irony] :P

adywan said:

i do want to try and use the Bespin menu scene but not the others. The Hoth one has the AT-AT's at 2 different scales as it pans and doesn't look right, plus the one AT-AT has the guns from the shot it was taken from of the closer AT-AT still present.

That was my thought when I took a look at the youtube video (dang slow internet- took that long to load). The Dagobah sequence seems too fast, and there are already shots covering Luke's landing in the movie. With the Bespin sequence, there's that great long shot of the Falcon and the escorts, which could definitely be used as there was never a shot like that in the original.

And the fact that this discussion even exists is sad. ;)

I actually like the new layer break, since the old one resulted in complete silence while the disk switched layers, then a huge ZHWOOOO as the Falcon shot overhead in Hyperspace. It always made us jump, but the new one doesn't have that issue. In its place, the new (NTSC) break seems to be a split second into the shot, instead of between the two, resulting in an odd pause as opposed to the usual scene gap. :P Eh, what can you do.

IIRC, the "Terminate her immediately" layer break was the way the 2004 dvd did it, and right after there is the shot of the Falcon in hyperspace. When I was messing with the layer break settings, it gave me two options for where to place the break- I ignored them both and used the file defaults, but the two options were the two layer breaks being discussed. It is possible that though the default is the Vader/Falcon break, some people's settings resulted in the break being the Tarkin one. Does that all make sense? Or am I reaching a wrong conclusion?

The layer break on mine is a split second into the shot of Vader walking toward the Falcon. I don't have time to pull out the dvd and check, but it may be right after the scene you mentioned, and therefore in the same place.

o_o When reading through the thread, there are times when I am totally blown away. One of them was about 30 seconds ago. Going from the wistful discussion about redoing those shots to seeing what at first I assumed to be a beautiful mockup of them was remarkable enough, When I realized Ady had posted them, it stunned me. Those shots look absolutely gorgeous. Amazing job. I can't believe the 2004 dvds looked so bad.

Bingowings said:

This is all being covered on the Radical Prequel Redux Ideas Thread (just trying to atone for the few times I wander off topic elsewhere).

Understood. :)

Oleo said:

My gratitude also goes out to Siliconmaster for the assist.  I'm going to be sending this out to a few friends as soon as I can get my hands on a DVD drive that will burn DL.

Glad you enjoyed it. Out of pure chance and my eagerness to show everyone Revisited, I've probably distributed 6 copies of it in the past 3 weeks alone. :D I love this movie.

I'm in the "lungs were burned badly" crowd. I never had a problem understanding the life support suit. As previously stated, the issue does come up of why Anakin and Obi-Wan weren't completely fried shortly into the battle, but all Lucasisms aside, I can actually buy that they were using the force to protect themselves, along with the shields on the miner droid/platform. Anakin gets 3 limbs cut off, goes into shock, his focus drops, and he goes up in flames. Seems pretty straightforward to me. It would be fun to see more of Vader being badass, instead of mopey and depressed. He should use his anger for his own power, not stand there and cry in despair. Lucas may have had the general right idea, but somewhere between his mind and the screen things got more than a little muddled.

When we watched V (2004 Edition) only a few hours ago, I did still notice some slight transparency. It wasn't nearly as bad as it seemed to be pre-SE though.