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#323932
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/323932/action/topic#323932
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HotRod said:

What you talking about Savage man? The kenner figures are cannon.. Final.. Nuff said.  How dare you!!

Joking of course.

I know, they are Lucas approved after all.  After all, I try to live my life the Kenner way.  I haven't bent my elbows or knees since 1978! :)

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#323919
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/323919/action/topic#323919
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I don't think we can base the color of the jacket off a 1980 Kenner action figure (or modern Hasbro ones for that matter). :)

However, the jacket was most definitely brown for filming.  However (again), I always think of the jacket as blue and have always thought of it as blue throughout the course of all iterations of the film.  Whether it appears that way due to lighting, film stock, color correction or whatever, the jacket looks blue on screen.  Of course, some shots make it look brown as it should.  Ah who knows.  We'll see what Ady's corrections make it look like in the end...

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#323874
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Wookie Groomer's 1080p Star Wars Saga project (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/323874/action/topic#323874
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Thanks for getting the full 13gb versions of the prequels up!  I've been waiting for months to get my hands on those.

lithiumus,

I also like the fact that you're upping blu-ray compatible versions, that is much appreciated.  I'm in the middle of getting TESB right now.  Any e.t.a. on ROTJ and are you planning on doing the same for I, II, and III?

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#323653
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/323653/action/topic#323653
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A little OT:

With all the talk of Magnoliafan's Balance of the Force, Clone War, and Phantom Re-Edit 1.2, I went searching my collection for these edits as I thought I surely had them.  Apparently, I don't.  They also appear to be gone from the newsgroups as well as torrents.  They still pull up on a seach at myspleen but with no seeders.  If anyone would be willing to help me get  copies of these three edits, please pm me.  However, if they are painfully outdated and not worth my time watching them, I'd love a heads up, too! :)

Back to the topic at hand:

I'm amazed that you've caught up to where you left off pre-quad.  I tip my hat to you, sir.  Would you be willing to share the ideas you've got cooking for the generator?

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#322098
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/322098/action/topic#322098
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I won't be adding any form of PT vehicles to the Hoth battle. Also we don't need to see any drop ships. Thats a bit too close to the type of thing that GL would do

Agreed.  Dropships and prequel ships need not be in ESBR.  As my disdain for the prequels grows over time, these additions would sour my take on ESB.

RE: More walkers/AT-STs.  I'm all for a few more walkers here and there, but please no new shots (it'll mess up the battle music and interupt the flow).

As I, and others, have said in the past, ESB is pretty close to a perfect movie.  Correcting glaring mistakes is great, but going overboard and adding in SFX just for the sake of adding them has Lucas written all over it.  I again want to put my opinion in that ESB needs only a clean up and one doesn't need to go all out adding new shots all over the place.

As an aside to my point and a personal preference, I would, however, be interested in seeing how a few more TIEs fit into the asteroid field chase scene as is.  It may not work (again, the music ties perfectly into the action we see), but it would be neat to see a few more TIEs getting smashed or crashing into each other.  But hey, if it detracts or changes the flow, the additions aren't needed.

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#321372
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/321372/action/topic#321372
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Here's my thoughts on TIEs and such at Cloud City:

So Vader and a garrison of troops under the help of Boba Fett land on Cloud City intent on capturing Han Solo and setting a trap for Luke Skywalker. Cloud City is essentially a peaceful mining facility with no real military or advanced police force. They have some firepower, but not enough to stave off a full-fledged attack. Vader and company know this and don't bring down a full invasion force to keep their presence hidden. Most likely, Vader and troops depart at their destination and then have Vader's shuttle (and any remaining ships - if they even brought more than the one) fly off to the other side of Cloud City or some other hidden area close by (not all the way back to the Executor (which may not even be at Cloud City, since Han and crew don't seem to detect its presence on arrival. The Executor could be some light years away awaiting a signal to return - who knows?)). And they wait.

The trap is sprung, Han is captured, Vader decides to keep Leia and Chewbacca, and Vader battles with Luke. At this time, everything is going exactly to plan. Most of the heroes are under wraps, the populace is unaware of the Empire's presence, and Vader has Luke exactly where he wants him. More ships/troops are still not needed. Eventually, Vader fails to turn/capture Luke and believes Luke to either be dead or at the very least unreachable. Time to leave, and still no need for more troops.

Here's where the troops are required: Having lost Luke, Vader needs Leia and Chewbacca more than ever. However, with the help of Lando, they escape their guard and alert the populace to the Empire's presence. The trap has failed and the city knows the Empire is there. There is no longer a need for subterfuge and Vader calls for his shuttle and apparently more TIE fighters.

As Vader awaits his shuttle and reinforcements, Lando and company are making their escape along with the rest of the city. Vader leaves the city, the Executor makes its reappearance from wherever it was and TIEs are launched to ensnare any escaping ships. One could assume their orders are to disable any ships and not destroy as they're after Leia and Chewbacca. Vader assumes if they are to escape somehow, they would certainly go for the Millennium Falcon (disabling of the hyperdrive and all) but can't be sure. He doesn't need some Imperial pilot blowing away his only link to Luke. The TIEs don't see the Falcon until it's already getting out of Dodge and then pursue.

Essentially, I think no TIEs should appear until the Falcon is already blasting out of Cloud City. There should be massive air traffic from the evacuation as the heroes try to make it to the Falcon, but no pursuing TIEs. From Vader's plan, there was no need for TIEs on hand in or around Cloud City in order to maintain the element of surprise. Once the plan falls to pieces, then the fighters are recalled. There simply wouldn't be enough time to have them flying around destroying ships (nor would Vader want them to do this) immediately after the Vader/Luke fight.

As the Falcon is escaping, that's when we could see a squadron of TIEs flying towards Cloud City and hence Lando's "What about those fighters?" line.
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#320564
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/320564/action/topic#320564
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Altering the order of shots will really mess up the soundtrack, and finding a cue from other areas in the score is not a good idea for ESB, imo. I do prefer the way it plays out as we are used to. Darth Stewie's re-arrangement results in too much cutting back and forth and could be disorienting. Just my opinion, though.

The snow seems almost too gray to my eyes, but if it matches closer to GOUT, then it's fine by me. How 'bout a third version of this sequence with a three-way split amongst Revisited/2004/GOUT?

Anyhow, looking great as usual, Ady!
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#320498
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/320498/action/topic#320498
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doubleofive said:

I love that "a few months off" turned into "let me do the first color correction pass real quick" to "it took me 3 days, 9 layers and 123 masks to do this one Yoda scene" to "I'm just going to start to matte the transparency issues" to "here's the first two minutes."

I freaking love it.


Amen!
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#320076
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/320076/action/topic#320076
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Sevb32 said:

Sky traffic to Cloud City should especially be added after Lando's evacuation announcement. When the falcon flies off there is little sky traffic at all, I think there should be a lot due to the evacuation announcement.


I like this idea. If it's doable, it would be nice to see a few other ships getting the hell out of Dodge as the Millennium Falcon is jetting off itself.
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#320056
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/320056/action/topic#320056
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DGC General X said:

Lowry's restoration washed them out a little bit.


Re: Lowry's restoration (and fine, fine Season Salt, btw). I was under the impression that Lowry Digital did the clean up work on the films and once done, Lucasfilm added the blue overlay to most shots to "give it a more modern look." Was it the folks at Lowry or the folks at Lucasfilm who tampered with the color balance?
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#319371
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/319371/action/topic#319371
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Josh said:

I always thought luke saw a vision or something!


My thoughts exactly as stated above. I don't really think Ben on Hoth needs to look exactly like Ben's ghost on Dagobah. Luke was pretty out of it during that scene and I believe it was a vision (not unlike Luke's visions of his friends in peril on Bespin - we just didn't get to see what he 'saw' at that time). Ben on Dagobah is a manifestation designed to walk and talk with Luke.
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#319308
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/319308/action/topic#319308
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topdawg,

Welcome to the fold. As time goes by, you'll find that the debates amongst us concerning fixes/changes can get pretty heated at times, but eventually cooler heads prevail.

I do like the idea of unifying the Obi-Wan ghost visual on the Dagobah/Endor scenes. Sometimes he looks just too real.

When Obi-Wan appears to Luke on Hoth, I interpret it more as a vision than an actual physical manifestation. Han practically runs through Obi-Wan and never comments about seeing anything. Therefore, I don't think this particular visual effect needs to be changed. I wholeheartedly agree with you on unifying the other instances of his ghost appearing.

Ady,

Dagobah's looking good!
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#319306
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/319306/action/topic#319306
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To be fair on all levels, I've maxed out my connection via newsgroups, rapidshare, as well as torrents. For the most part, newsgroups and rapidshare are the fastest of the three for me, but occasionally I'll get a good connection within a torrent and max my connection, though it doesn't happen much.

See? Different results for different people. Can't we all just get along? :)
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#319266
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/319266/action/topic#319266
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I've never noticed the ramp jerking as it lowers in the cave, but will probably from now on. :) From a character perspective, the ramp's hydraulics jerking as it lowers fits in with the finicky personality of the Falcon. Not everything always works on the ship and that could just be another system acting wonky.
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#319190
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/319190/action/topic#319190
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negative1 said:

but all the new effects/scenes/and changes jumped out pretty heavily
to me in adywans cut of ANH (and i'm still pretty much in the purist camp)..

so, i'm not sure where you're coming from...maybe that's why people
are debating additions etc..


-1,

I think you misunderstood me.

Looking at the film as a whole (ANH), the GOUT version looks consistent throughout. Nothing jumps out as odd since this is the original cut and what people are used to.

Looking at ANH-SE, the added Jabba scene as well as additions of robots and CGI characters where there were none before jump out and scream "This is new! Check me out!" It's especially noticeable to fans, but even casual observers would notice the changes.

Onto ANHR, any additional FX work will jump out as new and different to fans who have seen the film numerous times. Casual observers would most likely not notice anything that seems out of place. As a whole, the new edit flows and blends seamlessly between the original work and the enhancements. With all the garbage mattes phased out, new additions don't look like they don't belong. There's a certain polish to the whole product that makes it look like all elements are from the same time period. This can't be said of the official SE's as so many little things were left alone and broken to an extent, causing the new, pristine FX work to stick out.

What I'm talking about are all the little things that were added/corrected. New displays, repainted lasers/lightsabers, repaired jump cuts, better planet images, etc. These all add up and enhance what is already there and when taken in together, make the entire film feel modern while maintaining the spirit of the original. Sure, as a fan, I know when major things have been altered but that's just in the nature of knowing these films inside and out.

When friends and family saw the SE's they commented on what they perceived as new effects. With ANHR, they enjoyed it thoroughly, and weren't even aware of the sheer magnitude of what changed. I think that's the best compliment out there on Ady's work. Everything gels so completely that a casual fan can enjoy the film and not necessarily know that hundred of shots were changed.

When I talk of doing the FX the 'wrong way', I'm referring to sticking some CGI in a scene that had none and doing nothing the surrounding frame. To me, that sticks out and is just distracting. Subtle (and not so subtle) changes in context will be perceived, but if done 'right' won't detract from the viewing experience. This is what Ady has accomplished with ANHR and will most likely achieve with ESBR.
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#319144
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/319144/action/topic#319144
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vbangle said:

...the apparent lack of trust or faith in Adywan that you guys have....


I don't think there's a lack of trust in the OT populace over the project, I think that different fans have different opinions on what they would or would not like done with the film and sometimes these opinions can result in...forceful...exchanges. I'm on the side that just wants everything cleaned up, with a few minor enhancements here and there. The there are those who would rather have a restoration of the film only. Finally, there are those out there who want to add in new scenes and give the film a new look.

It's all about taste and no matter what you do, you can't please everyone. If Ady wanted to go about his project on his own, he wouldn't post here and would release it when he was done. However, I believe he realizes that there are differing views out there and he posts here for suggestions/critiques. In the end, the final result will be all the better for it.
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#319132
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/319132/action/topic#319132
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adywan said:

I'm pretty sick about talking about it all the time when i should be concentrating on doing this edit.


Amen, brother! If given the time and venue, I could talk for hours about PT vs. OT and the merits/disadvantages of both (I did in fact love the PT the first few times around, but since ROTS ended, my opinions have sharply changed), but you're right, the ESBR thread is probably not the place. But back to business:

Empire is one of the few movies out there I consider to be a nearly 'perfect' movie. This, of course is a matter of opinion, but is what I believe. Pre-SE, everything about the film worked. The pacing, music, acting, direction, cinematography, all combined to make for one of the most enjoyable cinematic experiences I have ever had. And what sets the great movies apart from the good movies is the test of time. ESB is as enjoyable to me today as it was in 1980.

Step forward from 1980 to 1997 (and then to 2004) and some of the mystery of the movie was taken away with the extra Wampa footage, but these scenes certainly did not break the film. The new Vader/Emperor dialogue was poorly delivered and the new footage of Ian McDiarmid seemed 'off,' although it was a welcome addition to the movie for continuity's sake. The new Vader leaving Bespin sequence is not a bad sequence at all, but the problem is that it breaks up the flow of events. John Williams' great score gets hacked with the newly inserted scenes and breaks that part of the movie.

With my love of Ady's ANHR, I am obviously not a GOUT-only fan. I like to see new effects in addition to pristine color timing and properly leveled sound fields, but only if they're done the right way. I believe Ady is one of the few talented enough who 'get it' and can pull this off.

I would like to see ESBR presented just that way. Clean up the effects, bring back the true (or more realistic) color, devolve some of the 1997/2004 enhancements, and package it all with a great, enveloping sound field. I hope that FX work is not done just for the sake of doing it. I personally wouldn't mind a bigger Hoth battle, but I don't need to see the Walkers landing on the planet (and if they do, certainly not before their reveal to the rebels on the ground). You know my position of the Death Star being in ESBR (nay, I say!). I'm sure the new Vader/Emperor scene will be fantastic, especially if we can find a decent "Luke" for the big guy to say.

Re-inserting the original Boba Fett dialogue as well as the original "Bring my shuttle" and "You're lucky you don't taste very good" lines will be very welcome indeed.

What we're seeing currently is a movie produced in 1980 and it won't necessarily look like a film made today. That's the big challenge with FX work on an older film. One could go down two routes: have the FX scream out "Look at me!!!" as Lucasfilm did in 1997, or have everything blend seamlessly as Ady did in 2008 with ANHR (and to a degree with Paramount's work on the DVD release of Star Trek: The Motion Picture - they even managed to match the film grain with the new CGI).

It sounds like the major issue right now is getting the color right. Once that's done, I have full faith that Ady will craft some new visual effects that will blend in extremely well with the existing footage and enhance a great film to levels unseen.

Oh, and I'd really like to see an Ewok as one of the bounty hunters. That'd be sweet! :)
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#318764
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/318764/action/topic#318764
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While looking through that ancient thread, I came across a suggestion I made way back and would certainly like to see it incorporated here:

One thing I'd like to see corrected is the explosion of the final two TIE fighters in the asteroid trench as the Millenium Falcon escapes them. It's always appeared to me as a badly composited explosion effect. The 'fireballs' (or whatever you want to call them) seem very floaty and don't seem to match well with the camera movement. This may be a hard thing to fix, but would make the explosions seem more real.

DE was doing some great things with his edit. I highly recommend taking a look through his thread again, it may spark some more suggestions and debate.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Darth-Editous-Episode-V-DVD-Info-and-Feedback-Thread-a-work-in-progress/topic/5182/