Savage

Ady,

That is one helluva an offer.  I hope that drums up some additional funds to get the ball rolling again.  I also agree with adding the addendum that the person receiving the disc remains anonymous.  It would serve no point to advertise who has the disc.  Just my 2 bits.  Keep it up!

Sorry to hear about the back, Ady.  Will the medical-decision-making-powers-that-be in the UK finally decide they can get you the help you need now?  That system sounds like a nightmare to me.

Also glad you've made a return to ESB:R.  I'll have to look into your theatrical TPM, though that movie is indeed cringe-worthy to me at this point in my life.  10 years ago was another story....

Yeesh!  That's one ugly MF before your fix. ;)

oh_riginal said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IidT7qvG1Y

How about that?

I'm not suggesting it should be in ESB:R, but the mock up idea sounded too fun to not do!

That's actually pretty cool.  A necessary addition? No.  But cool to see the mock-up never-the-less.

Good work!

Going back to ESB:R Covers and Posters, here's the logo I created for the film (small, compressed, and blue):

If anyone wants to use this for their project, feel free.

You can get the full .psd file in white (600x488, 300 dpi) with a transparent background here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1QQSC2TS and it's only ~180k in size.

Enjoy!

Since we've digressed into prequel saber matching, I would suggest changing all the Jedi sabers to blue for the entirety of the prequels.  It makes Luke's green saber all the more distinguishing and could imply his lack of knowledge on lightsaber making in general, and the green hue is a result of his experimentation.  Sure, more colors are awfully pretty, but not necessary.

As a completely non-OT:R subject but related to Ady's mock-up, I would also suggest making Mace the only Jedi to confront Palpy.  This may be a nightmare to edit (both visually and auditory), but if pulled off would add a lot to Mason J. Windu's character.  Just something to file away until 2019....

Davnes007 said:

Okay...you asked for it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF76lk9yiyo

 

 

I suppose that works out okay until the probe droid pops his head out (that messes with continuity and Luke's line about a "meteor"), although when watching the probe coming closer to the planet I felt like yelling out "Holy shit!  Luke watch out!  That thing's gonna land on your head!  Look up, damnit!  Look up!!!" :)

sans_fi said:

First the probe aproaching, then Luke sees the probe crashing with his music and his dialogue, then the wampa arrives and knocks Luke, and then the probe Droid appears out of the crater...  I dont know, it still doesnt feel right, too many things happens between the droid crashing and the droid coming out.

Now that's sounding like the end of any of the prequels, especially TPM. :)

The sequence of events is fine as is.  At no time in the past or present did I have any trouble with the sequence.  Both "hits" are necessary to the film: The probe lands on Hoth after we see them being launched, then Luke sees it land and gives him the motivation to go check it out.  The probes are being launched throughout the system and although Hoth is probably a huge place, I don't see why the Empire would send two to the same planet when they are making a blanket search.

For those interested, full-res copies of my ANH:R (version 2) and new ESB:R covers are in my sig.

As long as we're previewing covers, here's my series.

Star Wars is just a minor tweak of my original cover on the ANH:R DVD with new logos and Adywan is now credited as "Adrian Sayce".  The Empire Strikes Back is in its final state, and Return of the Jedi is now in a holding pattern as I am in need of a few screenshots from Ady's final version in order to complete it (and that will be a long time from now, lol). :)

Ripplin said:

 

Aww, look at the little nub of a cockpit on the front.  It's so precious!

And what's with the Green Bay Packers logo on the side?  Chewie likes himself some pro football, I guess.

I believe more and more people are becoming aware of ANH:R, and I think awareness will spread like wildfire once ESB:R is out.

This thread is already over 10,000 posts with at least 7 months until release (or maybe significantly more).  The ANH:R thread is barely over 7000 posts and  the edit has been around for over a year.

I shudder to think of the magnitude of the ROTJ:R thread....

...or Snoop Dogg as 3P0: This is Madness! We'll be destroyed fo shizzle...

Beeahtch.

:)

Speaking of posters.... Here's the cover for my eventual DVD cover for ESB:R (actually, the entire cover is finished, but since this thing isn't coming out until next year, I guess there's no reason to put it out just yet).

The image is just the straight up alternate version A poster, featuring Bob A. Fett, Lando, Cloud City, and one of those Hoth radar dish guns in addition to the usual fare on the non-alternate v. A.  I always loved this image and wanted nothing more than to use it for this cover.  Of course, it has a custom Revisited logo and Adywan's name to match my prior cover (which is getting a new  Revisited logo treatment as well).

Certainly, a hack job, but there's no chance in hell I cuold ever paint something as good.  I'll leave that up to Ady next year. :)

The direct link: http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6409/esbrposter.jpg

And the image: (please don't quote the image if you feel the overwhelming need to reply, slower connections will thank you!)

005,

That shot should pretty much do it.  I would be surprised if Ady isn't using it....

ben_danger said:

just out of curiosity, would you be annoyed if lucasfilm just released your edits as their blu-ray versions?

I really do hope that the powers-that-be at Lucasfilm have been, and currently are, following this project.  A lot can be learned from the fan base here and Ady in particular on how to do a proper Special Edition of the films.  Plus, this is all non-profit and for a relatively small fraction of the already small super die-hard fans.  My dream is that GL and co. are watching and waiting to see what Ady comes up with, only to one up him on the official release. (no offense, Ady, you know I love what you're doing!) :) 

Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? No. I think GL is pretty happy with the movies half-assed as they are, but maybe one day he can prove me wrong....

Jedi Dark Knight said:

Savage, you got us all wrong, we were talking about resizing the MF because of its size comparisson to the SD makes it look smaller or the MF too big in that shot, so we came to the conclusion that if the MF is reduced to keep a correct size comparison it could affect the chance to spot it in the back of the SD, so the idea came out to put some "engine-powering-down-effect" to help spotting. Hope that helps to clarify

JDK,

I do understand the point that was being made, but in my post I was just trying to bring some levity to the situation.  Technically, yes, the Falcon is too small in the shot (or the SD too small).  Shrinking the Falcon would make it more difficult to see, and if this is done an engine glow would help make it more visible.  However, my point is that the shot is pretty damned good as is.  The proportions may be a little off, but this has never bothered me in the slightest, and a I said, the revelation of seeing the Falcon for the first time does have some impact. 

Adding the engine glow (whether the Falcon is shrunk or the same size) draws the viewer's gaze immediately to that spot and to me undermines the shot as is (Viewer sees SD in the distance...then the SD up close...scanning around...and oh! there's the MF!).  I'm as guilty of overthinking individual things in these movies as the next guy, and I think that this shot is one of those cases.

If the Falcon is shrunk is it technically better (from a size perspective)?  Yes.  Does the movie benefit from this fix?  I say no, and it may actually compromise the shot as it was originally composed.  I think the shot is perfectly fine (aside from colors and stars, that is)....

Again, just my 2¢ (or 2 pounds, as it were). ;)

I don't think the size of the Falcon needs to be changed.  It's large enough to be noticed, but not small enough to miss - post-RotJ dimensions be damned! :)

I also don't think it's necessary to add any 'engine glow' power down,etc. to tell the viewer "LOOK HERE!!!"  One of the nice things about the shot is that you don't necessarily see the Falcon right away.  When you finally notice it for the first time, you get that sense of "oh, there they are," and "I can see why the Empire wouldn't even notice them, since I didn't."  An engine glow would stick out and draw the viewer's attention to the Falcon too quickly.

Seriously, at this point in the discussion we're just grasping for additional things to change and/or kill some time to discuss them (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)  But, since these suggestions are coming so late to the party, they must not be all that necessary to fix in the first place.  Discuss at will, but keep the big picture in mind. It's easy to get bogged down in the minutia and the end product suffers from it, rather than benefitting.  I think Ady's covered all the minor annoyances, anyway! :)

Akwat Kbrana said:

Also, there are two or three frames in which the wampa that we do see, has a really distracting snowflake on his foot. Could this please be digitally erased? Thanks.

Finally someone pointed that out!  That bugs me everytime I watch the movie! ;)

I mean, the Chewbacca Flake is getting fixed, but the Wampa flake is worse!

Serji-X Arrogantus said:

I'd have thought that the Fine Molds Falcon was way too small to get any real good shots of, there are people out there building Studio Scale Replicas of the Star Wars vehicles that are far more accurate than the Fine Molds model in terms of the surface detail etc...  Is it not worth asking on Replica Prop forums for a UK based modeller who might already have a bigger version built that you could use, I know there's the transport depending on how far away etc... but it might be worth a try !

The Fine Molds Falcon has an insane amount of detail on it!  Check out the "tutorial" on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JR84jmxwL0

The base top and bottom are blank slates and all the little details need to be applied individually.  The model itself is about half the size of the shooting model.  Even though there are tons of details on the thing, flybys and in-motion shots won't matter too much.  Static shots may or may not be an issue depending on how close the camera is to the model itself.

I suppose if Ady could find a collector who owns the Master Replicas Falcon locally he may be able to arrange a day or two of shooting at the owner's house.  But, that thing is huge and not really an option to ship anywhere.  Plus, at 1800 USD, I don't suppose a lot of people own it.  200 USD for a build it yourself model is a little more cost effective.  And if you enjoy that sort of thing, building the model will make it all the more rewarding in the end!

I don't know much about scratch built models, so I don't know where to look into that.  But, you never know who's got something like that out there....

Monroville said:

Here is something to ponder (from the EMPIRE 4th draft):

183. EXT REBEL GUN EMPLACEMENT - HOTH

The icy wind picks up as the battle rages. Rebel and Imperial troops are firing at each other at point blank range.

184. EXT SNOW BY REBEL GUN EMPLACEMENT - HOTH

A walker steps on several rebel troops as they attempt to flee.

Don't know how you could add this (if its added) but some more suggestions none-the-less...

 

There's an excuse for another Ady cameo!

Or maybe Jar Jar. :)

corellian77 said:

LOL... I vote ady put Ric Olie into every scene of ESB:R from this point onward.

-- "That's Darth Vader, Luke's father... and look, he just lopped off his right hand."

I have never found myself laughing out loud while reading something on the internets.  Now I have! :)  Good stuff.

For me, I prefer the blue skies, even though I understand where you're coming from.  The blue skies over Cloud City just feel good to me (this is kind of difficult to explain).  It has that element of the familiar, while still being foreign and futuristic.  Changing all the shots from a blue sky to yellow or another shade doesn't give me this same feeling.  Cloud City has always been light and airy, and I think the bright white clouds and blue sky convey this feeling perfectly.  Changing to darker clouds and an alien looking sky throw that off for me.  The "city floating in clouds" is alien enough for me that changing the planet's atmosphere completely isn't necessary.

On the same note, I also prefer grey sunglasses to amber.  The extra yellow added to my field of view just doesn't feel right to me, while the darker grey or simple light reduction feels right.  Not the same thing as changing a shot in a movie, but maybe that helps you see where I'm coming from.

Just my two cents.

oh_riginal said:

So, apologies to everyone for my part in this. I just wanted to show what I imagined the monitor might be like.

I don't think you need to apologize whatsoever.  You came up with an idea, a mockup, and then presented it to the community.  The problem lies in when we (and I do include myslef in the group) run around in circles trying to catch our own tails on something that has been seen and considered, but ultimately rejected by Ady for his edit.  To then continue to argue the point is where it goes little too far.  That's when we get the Great Blue/Grey TIE Fighter Debate™ and people just want to move on.

I'm all for seeing other's ideas come to life.  As we just saw, Ady changed his mind and a completely finished shot based on an idea from one of the members here.  If you have any more mockups or ideas, please post them!

edit: Just saw your latest mockup:  That settles it!  I've done a 180 here.  Ady, please, put that in to ESB:R!  Now the shot is perfect! :)

adywan said:

please keep the suggestions, photo and video mock-ups coming. i'm not stubborn headed and do listen and look at ever one. for instance just recently it was suggested that when Luke approaches Bespin that it should be later in the day because the sun is setting shortly after. Now i had spent 5 days working on  the new moving  matte shot of Luke's approach and had just finished it and i loved it until i saw this suggestion.  i've now gone back and had to change most of the elements and start from scratch because i like this idea. luckily i could reuse all the tracking work i had originally done and have now completed it (minus the xwing which needs to have a new element added) but the finished shot is 1000% better than it originally was.

See?  Good things that improve the overall film can come out of the last 100 or so pages of this thread! :P

Rather than all the nit-picky, beat-a-dead horse B.S., that is.

Hey, any new ideas I've had have been long ago, I'm just jonesin' for the Trailer.  May 21 here we come!

So full of McQuarrie goodness!