I am also very interested in the edit. I would love a PM. I had an idea awhile back of somehow creating a narrative using footage from Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker and Killing joke.
I wanted to have it as an epilogue to the series as an end for both Tim and Barbara. Joker would survive though.
So overall, from a technical point of view, Ivan Ortega’s reedit is a clear disappointment. But from a storytelling perspective, it’s a huge improvement and I think it is why so many people seem to be pleased with it.
“Every word of what you just said, was wrong.”
-Luke (Not Jake) Skywalker
Well at least you’re right about it being a clear disappointment. I’m sorry but a years worth of work and stealing peoples money? What a joke!
Can somebody tell me why we haven’t banned this Ivan guy from the site? Wtf guys.
To be honest I think the lack of games and the way it looks so generic are part of the same problem; nobody at EA wants to produce anything but safe bets. So it looks like bland Uncharted style platforming and whatever action combos are common now. Not that Lucasarts did a particularly great job near the end either I suppose… The Force Unleashed comes to mind.
I wholeheartedly agree here. I’m definitely not one to jump on the hatebandwagon, but god I cannot believe EA. While BF2 (2017) has recently gotten better, what has happened as a whole is just mind bogglingly below average…
I can’t believe I’m saying this but wow that gameplay reveal was bad. I really don’t like what I’m seeing here. There is zero chance that this is open world.
This looks like a boring version of force unleashed with less creativity. The story might be interesting but I don’t think the gameplay looks exciting at all I’m really sorry.
Just wow, EA is such trash. After cancelling that open world game headed by Amy Henning shows just how much EA has mishandled the franchise.
I’m usually not one to trash everything new especially with Star Wars but the LucasArts videogames used to be incredible. Each was so unique and expanded so much of Star Wars. There was such a push for ingenuity back then. Look back at KOTOR, Republic Commando, Jedi Outcast, Rogue Squadron, Galaxies, I mean the list goes on. People who have played these games know that I’m not putting on rose tinted glasses here.
This looks like the most generic Star Wars game I’ve ever seen, but I’m still giving it a chance.
TPM: Qui-Gon’s Funeral or Anakin Leaving his mother.
AOTC: Anakin finding his mom in the Tusken Raider Hut.
ROTS: Anakin and Padme force bond, Immolation Scene
ANH: “Use the force Luke”, Binary Sunset
ESB: Yoda lifting the X-Wing
ROTJ: Sarlaac Scene or “I am a Jedi”
TFA: Han/Chewie/Finn on Starkiller
TLJ: Luke & Leia/ Force Connection
There’s a little tidbit in the interview about Tim’s decision in ROTJ for Ackbar to slouch in his chair once the Alliance wins the day. The choice regarding the slouch was a character decision Tim made. He stood up to Richard Marquand and defended his portrayal of Ackbar and the decision he made. He wanted him to stand and cheer, but Tim’s personal stance on war influenced the choice that this wouldn’t be such a joyous moment for Ackbar. It’s great stuff and I had no idea this happened BTS. The saddest thing is that his choice in ROTJ fits in with one of the main themes of TLJ, that war and the decsions we make aren’t always so clear cut. Maybe if Tim had this same conversation with Rian, things could’ve been different. I don’t know. RIP Fishface
Arguably, he’s more beloved than Mr. Binks. Why would he be a gag character? He’s not there for any cheap jokes, nor is he a subject of ridicule.
Yes I agree. The interview is actually very sad. The man had to excuse himself from the room sobbing because of the joke about “It’s a wrap” they made him do. While I’m one of the few who enjoyed the Last Jedi, Ackbar is still a fan favorite. His death certainly didn’t help the hate train, but it also just really sucks what Tim went through.
Although it is tempting to show the story from Luke’s point of view, it’s impossible to do this for the prequels. Therefore, I propose making Yoda the true viewpoint in the story with Luke as the student he views from afar:
Open with Luke seeing a battle in the sky. He goes to see his friends and talk with Biggs, then returns home. The footage begins blurry and indistinct, almost dreamlike, but gets sharper and clearer as the scene progresses. The next day, a sandcrawler arrives with two droids. Luke cleans them and discovers a mysterious transmission. He tells his uncle about it, saying that it might belong to Old Ben, but his uncle dismisses it. Luke goes to contemplate his choices at the sunset.
Two Jedi stare out at the city at sunset. Inside the temple, the Jedi council tests Anakin on his abilities and feelings. Yoda explains that he senses much fear in Anakin, stemming from his fear of losing his mother. Transition to the Naboo palace at sunset, which has been made to look like another part of the Jedi temple, and Yoda declares that Obi-wan is a Jedi Knight and that Anakin will be one as well.
That night, Luke finds R2 has left and can do nothing else until morning.
Cut to the homestead in the daytime. Owen and Beru greet Anakin, and Clieg Lars informs him of his mother’s disappearance. Anakin kisses Padme goodbye and speeds off in search of her.
Cut to Luke searching the desert for R2. He finds the droid and Ben, who tells him all about the Jedi.
Obi-wan voices his concern to Mace and Yoda about Anakin’s abilities, and his emotional connection with Padme. They urge him to trust the boy.
Luke sees the wreckage of the sandcrawler and the burning homestead.
Yoda senses Anakin’s pain, and we see Anakin returning to the homestead with his mother, who is then buried.
Luke makes his decision to become a Jedi like his father.
Amid Anakin’s desolation, R2 arrives with the distress call. Anakin and Padme decide to rescue Obi-wan, the person Anakin considers to be like his father. The ship leaves Tatooine
The Falcon blasts off from Tatooine into Hyperspace.
Anakin and Padme confess their love, are brought into the arena, and Obi-wan jokes about the rescue attempt. The Jedi intervene in the games and Yoda arrives with the clones. Dooku reveals the existence of the Death Star.
Obi-wan senses a disturbance in the Force, Luke takes his first step into a larger world.
Obi-wan remarks on the victory of the clones, but Yoda says otherwise. The Senators watch the ships depart, the beginning of the Empire. Anakin and Padme are married.
In space, Imperial ships gather. Vader is summoned, and sees the rebel base on Hoth.
Luke collapses in the snow, and sees a vision of Obi-wan telling him to go to Yoda.
He leaves immediately and finds Yoda, but in the meantime his friends must flee Hoth.
Luke senses that his friends are in danger, but can do nothing.
Anakin has a dream of Padme dying in childbirth.
Luke faces the Dark Side Tree.
Anakin has visions of the future, but Yoda cautions him against acting on them.
Luke decides to leave. Yoda cannot dissuade him.
Anakin sits in the Jedi council chambers, torn between the Jedi and love.
Luke faces Vader alone. He fails, but he is rescued on the Falcon. They escape Cloud City.
Here follow several scenes of Episode 3, starting with Anakin comforting Padme after the Temple massacre. Obi-wan enters to discover where he has gone, and we see Vader killing the separatist leaders. Padme confronts him, then Obi-wan. Yoda waits on the asteroid awaiting news, and Bail arrives telling him of Obi-wan’s arrival.
Luke returns to Dagobah, and Yoda tells him all about the mission ahead. He dies.
After this there are some flashes, distorted voices, strange noises. The image of a throne room appears, a door opens. Luke and Vader meet the Emperor on the only Death Star to be introduced in this edit. Their confrontation leads to the death of Vader and the Emperor, but as Luke stares into the funeral pyre, Yoda’s words echo – ‘Pass on what you have learned’.
There is a vision of a temple, Luke confronting a student, the temple in ruins, Luke hiding on an island. There is darkness, but then Rey comes to Luke’s door, bearing his old lightsaber. Some of the scenes from the island in TLJ are played here, and eventually Yoda appears to Luke to give him one final lesson. Luke then becomes a legend, dying in front of the binary sunset.
Amazing insight as always Neverar.
I feel once Rise of Skywalker comes around we will see a lot more edits like these, hoping to tell concise stories whilst using all the films at their disposal.
I think it’s a great idea to use Yoda as the centerpiece.
For me Yoda and Luke are two sides of the same coin. They both represent where the Jedi went wrong, but also how they must move on from the horrors of the past for a brighter future. Using Yoda as the main character allows us as an audience to view the successes/failures and similarities of Anakin and Luke’s story from the masters perspective, allowing us to view the Jedi from an objective outside standpoint.
The main reason I wanted to make this edit in the first place was because I wanted to show the main story using all the films as concisely as possible.
In the prequels the Jedi justify the war and compromise their beliefs. They choose to fight and turn from peacekeepers to generals. This leads to their ultimate demise. This idea is conveyed by both Anakin and Luke’s decisions. Anakin decides to give in to power and temptation, and decides that fighting/the darkside is justified in order to prevent Padme’s death.
When Luke goes to face Ben in the temple he is faced with the almost exact circumstances anakin does. He hears the sounds of murder and death as he says “he would bring pain and death at the end of everything that I love because of what he could become and for the briefest moment I thought I could stop it”. Luke doesn’t make the same mistake, but the fact that the beliefs of the jedi were part of the reason this happened is why the jedi need to end.
In order to prevent the darkness, the jedi fight, thus becoming the darkness. One of the first inspirations for this edit was that I wanted to simultaneously portray these two storythreads. I think using yoda could be a great way to make this happen. Especially because of what is signified at the Force Tree and with Luke.
@rocknroll41 Starting off with Luke’s birth is an idea definitley worth trying.
Ok so making the sequel trilogy fit into this especially with the plot of Force Awakens is mere impossible. But then something ocurred to me. The plot is only a problem if we focus on Rey/Finn/Han. But they really shouldn’t be the focus. They’re not Skywalkers! The story we are trying to tell is about the Skywalker family. Rey shouldn’t be the protagonist of the final part of the edit. Ben should.
Act 1: Anakin
Act 2: Luke
Act 3: Ben (Rey also but not as much, while also tying in the legacy of Anakin and Luke)
It’s still all so up in the air though…
I tried to edit the OT into a 3 in 1 movie, I consider it a failure.
For one, 3 in 1 prequel edits work because the prequels have a ton of filler, and the OT doesn’t really. There is a ton of stuff you could cut (the point of my 3 in 1 edit was to have one single Death Star, so obviously the Death Star attack in ANH could go), but not nearly as much. I couldn’t really get it shorter than 3h55, and I cheated by speeding it up from 23.976 FPS to 25 FPS.
Secondly, I felt like having the Jabba’s Palace sequence in the same movie as Han getting frozen in carbonite was… bad? It felt like backtracking, although I could also see it being like a chance to see more of the universe? In a meta way?
I don’t know. Don’t let this discourage you, rocknroll41’s idea especially seems promising. I’m just warning you it’ll definitely be hard to get to work.
I think the best way to handle Han being frozen in carbonite is to cut this subplot.
Yet I am unsure on how to do so. The best way I see is to adjust the scene of Lando visiting Han, Leia, Chewie and 3PO in their cell, so it is hinted that he may help them and then dubb the dialogue of an imperial officer telling Vader that the prisoners escaped.
On bord of the falcon Han would rest, still suffering, because he was tortured by the Empire (use the scene of him laying down on the plank bed in the cell).The most difficult challenge would be to add Han to the escape from Cloud City sequence.
Even though he would be unable to fight, because of the torture he experienced a few minutes ago.
Thank you this input is greatly appreciated. I think cutting this subplot is a great idea, we might be able to get this working. The biggest problems definitely lie within things in Empire/Jedi.
War in the stars was indeed the inspiration for the change involving the force vision. But making Luke stay on Dagobah seems like an impossible task, War in the stars while I love it is by no means seamless.
This sounds cool! But I honestly think the only way it would work would be to condense RotS, RotJ, and TRoS into one hour each, and sprinkle in a few shots of everything else as just little flashbacks and stuff.
Thank You this is also a very interesting take, I had this idea for ROTS but I thought it wouldn’t be fair to the other 2 trilogies. But with all 3 being like that hey it could work. Very curious about Rise of Skywalker.
Yes Peter Pan I am very much on board with you here. I had the exact same thought about A New Hope, replacing the design of the Death Star with the Death Star II, leaving its destruction for the end rather than having 2.
An idea I’ve been playing around with would be what if Luke’s force vision on dagobah was his actual duel with vader on Bespin, he ends up listening to Yoda and Ben deciding to stay and complete his training. This means he ends up staying on Dagobah while Lando/Leia/Chewie escape. But ultimatly this messes with the story so I’m still not sure. If the whole point is to tell the entire story through once cohesive narrative, what is the point if I mess with the story itself?
Having someone like Luke, Yoda, Obi-Wan, or hell even Threepio and Artoo narrate throughout the story is a very compelling idea. George I think even had the idea that the entire story is being told to us through Artoo’s perspective.
I might release a V1 of the edit with Episodes 1-8 before Rise of Skywalker comes out.
I’ve already got some ideas about the Sequel trilogy in mind, and also for transitioning between sagas.
I feel like one thing that would be really cool would be the binary sunset from ROTS fading into the binary sunset in ANH, and then having Luke alone at the Funeral Pyre fade into Luke alone on Ach-To Island. I really like the idea of Luke being the one bridging the 3 sagas together, and having the edit end with him in TLJ would be great.
Screw it I’m just gonna throw it out there. It’s an idea I’ve been throwing around for awhile. The goal would be to condense all 3 trilogies into one single film. Act One: Prequels, Act Two: Originals, Act Three: Sequels. I have no idea whether this will work or not, or where The Rise of Skywalker will take us. But I want to make the entire saga into one narrative fanedit.
Many people have condensed the prequels into one film such as swagbeditor, and you can find others on YouTube. I would even be open to have each trilogy condensed into its own films but that just isn’t as exciting. The hardest task for now would be condesing the OT. Things such as the entire trench run may have to be Cut out.
Extremely radical changes will have to be made if we are to condense this into a maybe 3 and a half hour runtime.
Such as:
Removal of many main/side characters and plots
Removal of many fan favorite scenes
Restructuring of entire plotlines
But feel free to get as RADICAL AS POSSIBLE with your ideas! I want to hear them, or even if this thread dies I feel like it is worth talking about at least.
THANKS!!!
GUYS WHAT IS UP WITH LUKE? FLASHBACK? FORCEGHOST? TEMPORARY RETURN TO REALITY?
THOUGHTS?!
Just read about “new desert planet Pasaana.”
It’s a minor thing, but if you want a desert planet why not pick Jakku or Tatooine, and if you want a new planet then why another desert planet?
I don’t know if the planet is specifically a desert. I think a lot of the locations take place on different parts of the same world. My theory is that this planet is highly connected to the force. Almost like force Mecca.
I only have Smudger’s Episode II saved. 😦 I will try to have it archived.
Hey, so I tried upscaling ESB:R to 4K. I denoised, upscaled, and regrained the footage all in After Effects.
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https://i.lensdump.com/i/WOMox7.pngHonestly, I still have to mess around with the denoising and regraining, both of which might be overdone.
So essentially it’s very much a work in progress, but I’m using the same techniques here as I have for my PT regrades.
Cool stuff man. Is it weird that I still can’t believe this massive project actually got released?
RARE behind the scenes Documentary of the making of the original CLONE WARS SERIES: https://youtu.be/uV9LvVb84xo
The only part of the ST so far where Rey was a very enjoyable character to me was definitely the first half hour or so of TFA. Then she was OK until the mind trick, and after that it all went downhill…
Bro even Watto knows what a mindtrick is. It’s not a big deal when you look at it objectively.
Where exactly was she going to look? She has nothing to go on except an early memory of being left behind. Even the Sith cave couldn’t show her an image of her parents, which would have been as easy way to seduce her.
If you cling to the belief your parents are coming back to the place they left you, there’s a big psychological hangup about leaving that place, even for a day. It’s not rational or realistic to anyone else but her, as most forlorn hopes tend to be.
It’s actually a very compelling dramatic element to her story, however where I think Dre has a problem is that it needs to be more essential to her personality/decisions. Definitly don’t think the “she should act her age” argument holds any water though.
I wouldn’t say Rey’s character is perfectly written but I really don’t think its fair to say that she just waits around for what the writers tell her to do at all. She gets thrust into a journey initially to help BB8, but then she meets her mentor, Han Solo. Her personal stake on the cause for the resistance comes from the fact that she gets tortured by Kylo and then watches him kill the only person who ever offered her an opportunity. She picks up the lightsaber at the end in order to defend herself but more importantly it represents an opportunity to finally find her purpose, which she has lacked her whole life. This is further explored in tlj when she basically learns that nobody is going to show her where she belongs and that she must define it for herself. She defines what being a jedi is FOR HERSELF, by following the lessons from the OT, which culminates in parting ways from kylo saving her friends. Just like luke defined what being a jedi was for himself in rotj when he saved his father instead of killing him (which obi-wan says he should do btw) Furthermore in tlj Luke REALLY defines what a jedi is. I don’t really think I have to explain this part. My only concern is that Rey will never have to learn the lesson Luke leanred in tlj. The lesson of failure…
I really want to hear both sides viewpoint on this. I’m just sad that we have to be so extreme in our views guys. We are all on the same side here. We all just want our star wars to be the best it can be with the way it is written. I just hope we can all be open to the future, and to give IX a chance.
Some people like Rey as a character, some people don’t, and some are in the middle. I’m in the middle leaning a bit more to the don’t side. There are things I like about her character, and how she was used in the story, and others I don’t. Overall the dislikes outweigh the likes for me, but I’m sure it will be different for other people. All of these positions are fine, and there’s no right or wrong in these discussions. It’s a shame some take these arguments so personally, and can’t keep emotions out of discussions, which should be restricted to the content of the films.
Since you’re in the middle about the ST in general I want to know what you would want to see in TROS not just for Rey but as a whole?
I am also a bit confused towards Rey’s motivation.
I agree with Don in that Rey wants to belong somewhere. An expected reaction for someone so isolated. Further evidence for this:
- She is in denial that her family will come in TFA
- She saves BB8, her only friend possibly ever. Her insistence on getting BB8 to the resistance may be due to he trying to help the only friend she has even known.
- She never outright helps the resistance. She only wields the lightsaber to save Finn, a friend.
- She asks Luke to “show me her place in all this”.
- It seems she only wants to know her parents after she is turned down by Luke. Luke’s grumpiness causes Rey to doubt the Jedi way and ponder about her parents once more (the cave).
- She then develops a force connection with Ben and comes to believe he may have what she seeks (a place to belong to).
All this is building to Rey taking Ben’s hand.
Why would Rey want to join the Jedi? Luke has done nothing but criticize her. We all know the Jedi way is right, but from her POV she just met this grumpy hermit who doesn’t want her. Why should she care about the Jedi?
It seems Rey’s primary motivation in turning down Kylo is because she has friends in the resistance? Like Finn and BB8? But the entire film has been building up Kylo and Rey’s relationship. As for the “she realizes she does not need a purpose, she can make one herself” well wasn’t that where she was before TFA. On her own with no one?
I think Rey would have been a great character had she taken Ben’s hand and charted us a new, bold direction for TROS.
Now she feels more like a missed opportunity bordering “perfect” which is a shame given how close we were. I hope TROS does the best job they can with Rey- if they provide some clarification on her motivation I think the whole Mary Sue argument will finally be over.
First of all, Rey had no purpose on Jakku besides waiting for her parents to show up and give her one. Being able to take care of yourself does not mean you have a purpose in life. Her life was literally in wait.
This pretty much summarizes the flaws that were built into her character from the first moment she appears on screen. She has no history, character, or purpose. She’s sympathetic, and self-reliant, and that’s about it. She’s literally waiting for whatever the writers decide will be her destiny. She’s a void waiting to be filled. Her character is thus entirely story and plot driven, rather than character driven. Her decisions, and character traits aren’t informed by her history, and experiences.
From the moment she appears on screen I would say she has all of those things.
History: Rey was abandoned by her parents as a child and remained a scavenging junkyard orphan her whole life. She has no family, or friends at the start of TFA. She is initially very hostile towards both BB8 and finn. From the very beginning she thinks her purpose is to wait for her family to come back one day.
Her character seems pretty clear to me as well. She is trying to find her purpose, and she cares about her friends because they are the first people to have ever shown care for her. She joins the resistance becuase she gets tortured and her her friends get murdered by the first order. She knows she has to become a jedi because she thinks this will give her purpose.
I’m just curious as to what specific decisions or character traits aren’t informed by history or experience, and I don’t mean this in any offensive way I actually really just want to have a discussion LOL.
I wouldn’t say Rey’s character is perfectly written but I really don’t think its fair to say that she just waits around for what the writers tell her to do at all. She gets thrust into a journey initially to help BB8, but then she meets her mentor, Han Solo. Her personal stake on the cause for the resistance comes from the fact that she gets tortured by Kylo and then watches him kill the only person who ever offered her an opportunity. She picks up the lightsaber at the end in order to defend herself but more importantly it represents an opportunity to finally find her purpose, which she has lacked her whole life. This is further explored in tlj when she basically learns that nobody is going to show her where she belongs and that she must define it for herself. She defines what being a jedi is FOR HERSELF, by following the lessons from the OT, which culminates in parting ways from kylo saving her friends. Just like luke defined what being a jedi was for himself in rotj when he saved his father instead of killing him (which obi-wan says he should do btw) Furthermore in tlj Luke REALLY defines what a jedi is. I don’t really think I have to explain this part. My only concern is that Rey will never have to learn the lesson Luke leanred in tlj. The lesson of failure…
I really want to hear both sides viewpoint on this. I’m just sad that we have to be so extreme in our views guys. We are all on the same side here. We all just want our star wars to be the best it can be with the way it is written. I just hope we can all be open to the future, and to give IX a chance.
When Chewie walks directly past Leia at the end of TFA is probably the worst moment of the ST
