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#1284057
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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@rocknroll41 Starting off with Luke’s birth is an idea definitley worth trying.

Ok so making the sequel trilogy fit into this especially with the plot of Force Awakens is mere impossible. But then something ocurred to me. The plot is only a problem if we focus on Rey/Finn/Han. But they really shouldn’t be the focus. They’re not Skywalkers! The story we are trying to tell is about the Skywalker family. Rey shouldn’t be the protagonist of the final part of the edit. Ben should.
Act 1: Anakin
Act 2: Luke
Act 3: Ben (Rey also but not as much, while also tying in the legacy of Anakin and Luke)

It’s still all so up in the air though…

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#1284050
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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Peter Pan said:

SparkySywer said:

I tried to edit the OT into a 3 in 1 movie, I consider it a failure.

For one, 3 in 1 prequel edits work because the prequels have a ton of filler, and the OT doesn’t really. There is a ton of stuff you could cut (the point of my 3 in 1 edit was to have one single Death Star, so obviously the Death Star attack in ANH could go), but not nearly as much. I couldn’t really get it shorter than 3h55, and I cheated by speeding it up from 23.976 FPS to 25 FPS.

Secondly, I felt like having the Jabba’s Palace sequence in the same movie as Han getting frozen in carbonite was… bad? It felt like backtracking, although I could also see it being like a chance to see more of the universe? In a meta way?

I don’t know. Don’t let this discourage you, rocknroll41’s idea especially seems promising. I’m just warning you it’ll definitely be hard to get to work.

I think the best way to handle Han being frozen in carbonite is to cut this subplot.

Yet I am unsure on how to do so. The best way I see is to adjust the scene of Lando visiting Han, Leia, Chewie and 3PO in their cell, so it is hinted that he may help them and then dubb the dialogue of an imperial officer telling Vader that the prisoners escaped.
On bord of the falcon Han would rest, still suffering, because he was tortured by the Empire (use the scene of him laying down on the plank bed in the cell).

The most difficult challenge would be to add Han to the escape from Cloud City sequence.
Even though he would be unable to fight, because of the torture he experienced a few minutes ago.

Thank you this input is greatly appreciated. I think cutting this subplot is a great idea, we might be able to get this working. The biggest problems definitely lie within things in Empire/Jedi.

War in the stars was indeed the inspiration for the change involving the force vision. But making Luke stay on Dagobah seems like an impossible task, War in the stars while I love it is by no means seamless.

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#1284032
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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rocknroll41 said:

This sounds cool! But I honestly think the only way it would work would be to condense RotS, RotJ, and TRoS into one hour each, and sprinkle in a few shots of everything else as just little flashbacks and stuff.

Thank You this is also a very interesting take, I had this idea for ROTS but I thought it wouldn’t be fair to the other 2 trilogies. But with all 3 being like that hey it could work. Very curious about Rise of Skywalker.

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#1284031
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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Yes Peter Pan I am very much on board with you here. I had the exact same thought about A New Hope, replacing the design of the Death Star with the Death Star II, leaving its destruction for the end rather than having 2.

An idea I’ve been playing around with would be what if Luke’s force vision on dagobah was his actual duel with vader on Bespin, he ends up listening to Yoda and Ben deciding to stay and complete his training. This means he ends up staying on Dagobah while Lando/Leia/Chewie escape. But ultimatly this messes with the story so I’m still not sure. If the whole point is to tell the entire story through once cohesive narrative, what is the point if I mess with the story itself?

Having someone like Luke, Yoda, Obi-Wan, or hell even Threepio and Artoo narrate throughout the story is a very compelling idea. George I think even had the idea that the entire story is being told to us through Artoo’s perspective.

I might release a V1 of the edit with Episodes 1-8 before Rise of Skywalker comes out.
I’ve already got some ideas about the Sequel trilogy in mind, and also for transitioning between sagas.

I feel like one thing that would be really cool would be the binary sunset from ROTS fading into the binary sunset in ANH, and then having Luke alone at the Funeral Pyre fade into Luke alone on Ach-To Island. I really like the idea of Luke being the one bridging the 3 sagas together, and having the edit end with him in TLJ would be great.

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#1283983
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Episodes 1-9 into ONE cohesive Fanedit
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Screw it I’m just gonna throw it out there. It’s an idea I’ve been throwing around for awhile. The goal would be to condense all 3 trilogies into one single film. Act One: Prequels, Act Two: Originals, Act Three: Sequels. I have no idea whether this will work or not, or where The Rise of Skywalker will take us. But I want to make the entire saga into one narrative fanedit.

Many people have condensed the prequels into one film such as swagbeditor, and you can find others on YouTube. I would even be open to have each trilogy condensed into its own films but that just isn’t as exciting. The hardest task for now would be condesing the OT. Things such as the entire trench run may have to be Cut out.

Extremely radical changes will have to be made if we are to condense this into a maybe 3 and a half hour runtime.

Such as:

Removal of many main/side characters and plots
Removal of many fan favorite scenes
Restructuring of entire plotlines

But feel free to get as RADICAL AS POSSIBLE with your ideas! I want to hear them, or even if this thread dies I feel like it is worth talking about at least.
THANKS!!!

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#1282507
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

Just read about “new desert planet Pasaana.”

It’s a minor thing, but if you want a desert planet why not pick Jakku or Tatooine, and if you want a new planet then why another desert planet?

I don’t know if the planet is specifically a desert. I think a lot of the locations take place on different parts of the same world. My theory is that this planet is highly connected to the force. Almost like force Mecca.

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#1281983
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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emanswfan said:

Hey, so I tried upscaling ESB:R to 4K. I denoised, upscaled, and regrained the footage all in After Effects.

https://i.lensdump.com/i/WOMeBC.png
https://i.lensdump.com/i/WOMnY5.png
https://i.lensdump.com/i/WOML2z.png
https://i.lensdump.com/i/WOMMJT.png
https://i.lensdump.com/i/WOMYSb.png
https://i.lensdump.com/i/WOMox7.png

Honestly, I still have to mess around with the denoising and regraining, both of which might be overdone.

So essentially it’s very much a work in progress, but I’m using the same techniques here as I have for my PT regrades.

Cool stuff man. Is it weird that I still can’t believe this massive project actually got released?

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#1281210
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Omni said:

The only part of the ST so far where Rey was a very enjoyable character to me was definitely the first half hour or so of TFA. Then she was OK until the mind trick, and after that it all went downhill…

Bro even Watto knows what a mindtrick is. It’s not a big deal when you look at it objectively.

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#1281137
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SilverWook said:

Where exactly was she going to look? She has nothing to go on except an early memory of being left behind. Even the Sith cave couldn’t show her an image of her parents, which would have been as easy way to seduce her.
If you cling to the belief your parents are coming back to the place they left you, there’s a big psychological hangup about leaving that place, even for a day. It’s not rational or realistic to anyone else but her, as most forlorn hopes tend to be.

It’s actually a very compelling dramatic element to her story, however where I think Dre has a problem is that it needs to be more essential to her personality/decisions. Definitly don’t think the “she should act her age” argument holds any water though.

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#1281074
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

I wouldn’t say Rey’s character is perfectly written but I really don’t think its fair to say that she just waits around for what the writers tell her to do at all. She gets thrust into a journey initially to help BB8, but then she meets her mentor, Han Solo. Her personal stake on the cause for the resistance comes from the fact that she gets tortured by Kylo and then watches him kill the only person who ever offered her an opportunity. She picks up the lightsaber at the end in order to defend herself but more importantly it represents an opportunity to finally find her purpose, which she has lacked her whole life. This is further explored in tlj when she basically learns that nobody is going to show her where she belongs and that she must define it for herself. She defines what being a jedi is FOR HERSELF, by following the lessons from the OT, which culminates in parting ways from kylo saving her friends. Just like luke defined what being a jedi was for himself in rotj when he saved his father instead of killing him (which obi-wan says he should do btw) Furthermore in tlj Luke REALLY defines what a jedi is. I don’t really think I have to explain this part. My only concern is that Rey will never have to learn the lesson Luke leanred in tlj. The lesson of failure…

I really want to hear both sides viewpoint on this. I’m just sad that we have to be so extreme in our views guys. We are all on the same side here. We all just want our star wars to be the best it can be with the way it is written. I just hope we can all be open to the future, and to give IX a chance.

Some people like Rey as a character, some people don’t, and some are in the middle. I’m in the middle leaning a bit more to the don’t side. There are things I like about her character, and how she was used in the story, and others I don’t. Overall the dislikes outweigh the likes for me, but I’m sure it will be different for other people. All of these positions are fine, and there’s no right or wrong in these discussions. It’s a shame some take these arguments so personally, and can’t keep emotions out of discussions, which should be restricted to the content of the films.

Since you’re in the middle about the ST in general I want to know what you would want to see in TROS not just for Rey but as a whole?

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#1281073
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

I am also a bit confused towards Rey’s motivation.

I agree with Don in that Rey wants to belong somewhere. An expected reaction for someone so isolated. Further evidence for this:

  • She is in denial that her family will come in TFA
  • She saves BB8, her only friend possibly ever. Her insistence on getting BB8 to the resistance may be due to he trying to help the only friend she has even known.
  • She never outright helps the resistance. She only wields the lightsaber to save Finn, a friend.
  • She asks Luke to “show me her place in all this”.
  • It seems she only wants to know her parents after she is turned down by Luke. Luke’s grumpiness causes Rey to doubt the Jedi way and ponder about her parents once more (the cave).
  • She then develops a force connection with Ben and comes to believe he may have what she seeks (a place to belong to).

All this is building to Rey taking Ben’s hand.

Why would Rey want to join the Jedi? Luke has done nothing but criticize her. We all know the Jedi way is right, but from her POV she just met this grumpy hermit who doesn’t want her. Why should she care about the Jedi?

It seems Rey’s primary motivation in turning down Kylo is because she has friends in the resistance? Like Finn and BB8? But the entire film has been building up Kylo and Rey’s relationship. As for the “she realizes she does not need a purpose, she can make one herself” well wasn’t that where she was before TFA. On her own with no one?

I think Rey would have been a great character had she taken Ben’s hand and charted us a new, bold direction for TROS.

Now she feels more like a missed opportunity bordering “perfect” which is a shame given how close we were. I hope TROS does the best job they can with Rey- if they provide some clarification on her motivation I think the whole Mary Sue argument will finally be over.

First of all, Rey had no purpose on Jakku besides waiting for her parents to show up and give her one. Being able to take care of yourself does not mean you have a purpose in life. Her life was literally in wait.

This pretty much summarizes the flaws that were built into her character from the first moment she appears on screen. She has no history, character, or purpose. She’s sympathetic, and self-reliant, and that’s about it. She’s literally waiting for whatever the writers decide will be her destiny. She’s a void waiting to be filled. Her character is thus entirely story and plot driven, rather than character driven. Her decisions, and character traits aren’t informed by her history, and experiences.

From the moment she appears on screen I would say she has all of those things.
History: Rey was abandoned by her parents as a child and remained a scavenging junkyard orphan her whole life. She has no family, or friends at the start of TFA. She is initially very hostile towards both BB8 and finn. From the very beginning she thinks her purpose is to wait for her family to come back one day.

Her character seems pretty clear to me as well. She is trying to find her purpose, and she cares about her friends because they are the first people to have ever shown care for her. She joins the resistance becuase she gets tortured and her her friends get murdered by the first order. She knows she has to become a jedi because she thinks this will give her purpose.

I’m just curious as to what specific decisions or character traits aren’t informed by history or experience, and I don’t mean this in any offensive way I actually really just want to have a discussion LOL.

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#1281064
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I wouldn’t say Rey’s character is perfectly written but I really don’t think its fair to say that she just waits around for what the writers tell her to do at all. She gets thrust into a journey initially to help BB8, but then she meets her mentor, Han Solo. Her personal stake on the cause for the resistance comes from the fact that she gets tortured by Kylo and then watches him kill the only person who ever offered her an opportunity. She picks up the lightsaber at the end in order to defend herself but more importantly it represents an opportunity to finally find her purpose, which she has lacked her whole life. This is further explored in tlj when she basically learns that nobody is going to show her where she belongs and that she must define it for herself. She defines what being a jedi is FOR HERSELF, by following the lessons from the OT, which culminates in parting ways from kylo saving her friends. Just like luke defined what being a jedi was for himself in rotj when he saved his father instead of killing him (which obi-wan says he should do btw) Furthermore in tlj Luke REALLY defines what a jedi is. I don’t really think I have to explain this part. My only concern is that Rey will never have to learn the lesson Luke leanred in tlj. The lesson of failure…

I really want to hear both sides viewpoint on this. I’m just sad that we have to be so extreme in our views guys. We are all on the same side here. We all just want our star wars to be the best it can be with the way it is written. I just hope we can all be open to the future, and to give IX a chance.

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#1280873
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

@SWOTFAN25
Yes this is going down the right path IMO. One thing I tried a while back was once the line “Shall I hold?” is said, I kept Vader from responding on screen. That way, we’re left wondering what Vader is thinking.

That’s a really good idea. I don’t know how much editing Ady is doing on the actual story but I sincerely think its possible to make the film much better. I think theres some work especially we can do in Jabbas palace and the throne room when the emperor taunts luke.

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#1280797
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Lixc5ACNh3GlLHcXw1878oWe_3lGx6dr/view?usp=sharing

I don’t know what you guys would think about this but I’ve been playing around with editing ROTJ trying to create some dramatic moments where none exist, anyway let me know what you think of this force connection edit.

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#1271060
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Mavimao said:

Can I just say that I think it’s great that we can finally have honest, adult conversations about this film.

People have always been more mature on this site, but if you go virtually anywhere else (Youtube/Twiiter/Reddit) there is no real conversation actually taking place.

I honestly cannot go anywhere else to talk about Star Wars besides in real life. LOL