SKot

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Post: #233301
Topic: Help: looking for... The 1977 Bootleg
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233301/action/topic#233301
Time: 8-Aug-2006 3:01 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
While starting new threads for such material does get a little annoying, not everyone on these boards has the ability to create OT material. Some people are simply fans who want the old OT. I wonder if we'll see more or less of such folk after the '06 DVDs come out. This is very true, and perhaps I should clarify for Ingo Sucks' sake...

You don't have to create your own material to contribute here. There are other ways to help out. One of the easiest ways is just joining in the conversations and adding your two cents. When you don't have anything much to say except "I want this thing, where can I find it right now?", it gets old fast. Talk about *why* you're interested in this particular thing, or how you think it's better than another version, etc.

Ingo, I'll give you big points for actually asking very politely this time. You do sound less like a greedy, spoiled child that way.

Since there's nothing to really indicate who should be notified for copies (such as Rikter), it's not that easy to figure out unless you post here for awhile, and not all SW fans are long on patience.

And the younger they are, the more impatient they seem to be. Maybe it's the internet generation coming of age who have never seen a dial-up modem and are used to seeing instant gratification.

Do I sound like an old fogey yet?

--SKot

Post: #233294
Topic: Merge 'Theatrical Cuts vs Special Editions' into 'General' forum?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233294/action/topic#233294
Time: 8-Aug-2006 2:49 PM

I thought about this, and I agree it's kind of low-traffic, but at the same time I'm a little afraid it might get buried in the "General SW Discussion"... plus, the General area seems to attact more of the, shall we say, LCD?

--SKot

Post: #233270
Topic: Info Wanted: anyone doing an AOTC - IMAX Edit (?)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233270/action/topic#233270
Time: 8-Aug-2006 2:04 PM

Originally posted by: daveytod
I have a copy of the theatrical bootleg but its of shockingly bad quality!

But I'm betting it's not the IMAX theatrical bootleg, right?

A copy of that, in any quality at all, would be a goldmine right now to use as a reference for recreating the IMAX cut.

--SKot

Post: #233269
Topic: Help: looking for... The 1977 Bootleg
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233269/action/topic#233269
Time: 8-Aug-2006 2:01 PM

I must have missed something exciting here, or maybe some posts have been removed...?

In any case, Ingo Sucks (who is Ingo, anyway, and why does he suck?), you would have a much better reception here if you actually contributed some content to the forums that didn't consist of asking for stuff. Instead, it seems like every time we see your name you are demanding another DVD (gimme gimme gimme!).

Things that always take and never give are commonly known as parasites.

The droids you're looking for have recently shown up in the Oid of the Demon. Good luck.

--SKot

Post: #233267
Topic: STAR WARS: the alt.binaries.starwars thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233267/action/topic#233267
Time: 8-Aug-2006 1:48 PM

Originally posted by: dark_jedi
Star Wars - Best Fanfilms Vol. I is pretty cool,hopefully there will be more volumes,here is a couple screenies:
*****

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/836/swffvol1pic1ph8.png

*****

dark_jedi, tell me about this copy of Return Of The Ewok. Is this just simply ripped from the ocpmovie release, or is it something different? You can tell by the fact that most of our version is in pseudo-widescreen due to poor projection on the part of the original presentation. Also, we have title and credits added by ocpmovie.

It would be very interesting if this was a different copy. I've never seen another complete copy of ROTE outside of ours.

--SKot

EDIT: Edited with regards to the Hyperspace copy of ROTE, which was only a 5 minute long excerpt.

Post: #233265
Topic: Info Wanted: anyone doing an AOTC - IMAX Edit (?)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233265/action/topic#233265
Time: 8-Aug-2006 1:42 PM

That's the best and most complete list of changes yet. Now, if we could just get hold of that rumored VCD, we could definitely have a chance at duplicating the IMAX edit.

That's the first order of business here, folks. Put out all feelers in search of that thing. Sounds like Rikter's the man to talk to for starters... wonder if he has a copy?

--SKot

Post: #233258
Topic: Star Wars film versions and best DVD sources
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233258/action/topic#233258
Time: 8-Aug-2006 1:29 PM

Originally posted by: Moth3r
Whatever happened to the version sourced from a digi-beta tape that was posted to the newsgroup? How did that compare to the TB version?

Yes, I was wondering about that... never heard the results.

--SKot

Post: #233073
Topic: Star Wars film versions and best DVD sources
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233073/action/topic#233073
Time: 7-Aug-2006 4:51 PM

Thanks, Darth Mallwalker... that's the kind of info I was hoping to find.

When you say "recreated" crawl and credits for both adywan and Zion, do you mean they were created from scratch, or cribbed from another video source?

My GTR version is NTSC (which surprised me), has a menu with animated scene selection, English/German audio, and the credits cut off just as they start (which points to the XviD as the source).

I also found that I have a copy of a telecine version, easily identifiable by the typical on-screen noise (white speckles occasionally). It's also a tad dark. I'll have to check it later to see what is has for crawl and credits (if anything).

I gather that Zion's version is the best copy of the theatrical version we know of at this point then, with the third adywan release being a close second.

--SKot

Post: #233018
Topic: Info Wanted: anyone doing an AOTC - IMAX Edit (?)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233018/action/topic#233018
Time: 7-Aug-2006 1:19 PM

One site that documents the changes to the IMAX version can be found here. If anyone can find any others, please post up.

Another thing to consider about the IMAX version is that there may have been some pan-and-scan shots in the film as well. Jim Ward says in this article here that they used the pan-and-scan DVD for reference when creating the IMAX edit.

It's funny how in hindsight now we see how important it would have been to make a recording of this version. If it was playing at IMAX *right now*, I'm sure some of us would be making special trips to see it just to get a camcorder copy for reference.

--SKot

Post: #233015
Topic: [<( The Star Wars TV Commercials Project )>] (* unfinished project * - a host of info)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/233015/action/topic#233015
Time: 7-Aug-2006 1:08 PM

I added what is surely the first ever Kenner Star Wars commercial: a spot for the Early Bird Certificate Package, after I found it on YouTube (horrible quality, unfortunately). I've never run across this before... I don't suppose anybody has this one at all?

The main question about the commercial is: was this aired in late 1977 or early 1978? The only clue is the time given for when the figures are to be mailed out - the voice-over says February as the earliest date, but does not mention the year. That leads me to believe the commercial may have aired sometime in January 1978. I know the Early Bird set was available for Christmas, but that doesn't mean they were necessarily advertising it on TV yet.

It's interesting to note that the Kenner Star Wars experience didn't really exist in 1977--no action figures were even available until February 1978 at the earliest. We tend to think of 1977 memories including playing with Star Wars figures, but in fact that was purely a 1978 experience.

--SKot

EDIT: And with that, it appears I am now ready for the trials. It's been a long time coming!

Post: #232937
Topic: The 2004 SE DVD covers are laughable!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232937/action/topic#232937
Time: 7-Aug-2006 1:58 AM

Originally posted by: Sluggo
I like Star Wars.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say... I like Star Wars too.

There, I said it.

--SKot

Post: #232934
Topic: Info Wanted: anyone doing an AOTC - IMAX Edit (?)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232934/action/topic#232934
Time: 7-Aug-2006 1:51 AM

It's true; there is a separate cut of AOTC for IMAX. It had to be edited down due to the limitation of how much film fits on an IMAX reel. It was also not in full widescreen since IMAX has a different aspect ratio. I was lucky enough to catch this at an IMAX near Houston, and it was interesting. Duplicating it would be difficult... it would be nice if someone had camcordered it at some point for reference.

--SKot

Post: #232873
Topic: Star Wars film versions and best DVD sources
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232873/action/topic#232873
Time: 6-Aug-2006 6:33 PM

They both look pretty good; Zion's version seems to look slightly better and also seems to be truer aspect ratio.

What are the differences between the adywan version and the Zion version? I know mine (GTR version) is missing the credits. Are both of these complete?

--SKot

Post: #232853
Topic: The 2004 SE DVD covers are laughable!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232853/action/topic#232853
Time: 6-Aug-2006 4:34 PM

I think the covers for the 2006 DVD releases are perfect.

Why? Look what's on the front: a modern, amateurishly Photoshopped mockery of the original trilogy posters, even tying in inappropriate elements of the prequels (Hayden Christensen's ROTS Vader).

That represents the 2004 SE in a nutshell.

Then, relegated to the back of the case (to denote their lack of importance), you have the original posters in all their glory.

That represents the treatment of the original unaltered trilogy in this set.

I couldn't imagine a more appropriate cover for the 2006 releases myself.

--SKot

P.S. - mustn't forget to include mandatory teenage basher keywords: "Lucass", "Luca$h", "gay"

Post: #232639
Topic: Idea & Help Wanted: TINTIN - 'Golden Fleece' and 'Blue Oranges'
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232639/action/topic#232639
Time: 5-Aug-2006 7:37 PM — Edited 10-Jul-2020 10:02 AM

Many of you will have heard of Tintin, the adventurous reporter who travels the world with his dog Snowy. Many of you will not have, especially if you are American. Tintin is an adventurous Belgian comic book character who has been around since the 1930s. He has inspired the likes of Steven Spielberg, who still intends to bring Tintin to the big screen. If that happens, expect Tintin to become a household word in the US. Until then, he will be known only by his cult following.

Anyway -

There were two live-action Tintin films produced in the 1960s, Tintin and the Golden Fleece (1961) and Tintin and the Blue Oranges (1964). They finally were released on DVD in recent years, but in French only and with no English subtitles. It’s not likely we’ll be seeing them released with English subtitles anytime soon (unless Spielberg makes that film of his, but I digress).

I would like to see a preservation of these films with English subtitles. There is an Australian eBay seller who has been advertising a copy of Golden Fleece with English subtitles recently (see here). I don’t know where the subtitles came from, and I’m not willing to pay a bootlegger to find out. But the two films may have been shown on TV at some point subtitled in English.

Anyone have a copy of these films with subtitles? I have them in French, of course, but would love to be able to understand the dialogue.

–SKot

Post: #232590
Topic: Idea: My weird idea for a hybrid OT project
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232590/action/topic#232590
Time: 5-Aug-2006 3:29 PM

This is the kind of project that ocpmovie excels at, and actually did on his Classic Editions (which did very much the same kind of thing, only using the 2004 SEs as source instead of the 1997 ones). Unfortunately, he's suffering severe Star Wars burnout right now, and I don't think we'll be seeing any new Star Wars projects from him for a long time.

I like the idea here, though. If anyone does attempt this, don't forget to throw back in the missing frames of the laser burn shots on the Death Star that were "censored" on the 1997 SE versions. Apparently Lucas decided it was too graphic to show obviously human characters with flaming holes in their chest when being shot.

--SKot

Post: #232567
Topic: Star Wars film versions and best DVD sources
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232567/action/topic#232567
Time: 5-Aug-2006 2:50 PM

Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker

Originally posted by: zombie84
Also, according to your list there is an HD version of the 1997 SE's--where the hell can i download this???

Those TB releases are sourced from digital broadcasts, but I don't think they were broadcast in HD.

(Regardless of source, the released DVDs are SD PAL.)

Changed accordingly to 'digital broadcast transfers'.

I'm trying to gather more info about the various bootleg digital copies of the theatrical ROTS. I can only assume since the 35mm and digital theatrical versions were around at the same time in the the theaters (like AOTC), and the digital theatrical version supposedly had no changes this time around, that the bootleggers somehow got hold of a digital theatrical copy as their source. Then later the official DVD version came out, with the single change to that version being the diagonal wipe just before the scene of Anakin clawing his way up the volcanic slope.

I know of the adywan version, Zion's version, and the German/English version I have (the 'GTR Presents' version, which is actually missing the end credits). Can anyone provide screenshots for comparison?

Here's mine - using the same frame that is in the comparison guide, to show it's the theatrical version:

http://www.starwarscutscenes.com/images/GTR_ROTS1.jpg

GTR Presents version

--SKot

Post: #232362
Topic: Any Star Wars TV stuff coming up?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232362/action/topic#232362
Time: 4-Aug-2006 8:58 PM

Originally posted by: russs15
I have just seen the trailer on SKY in the UK for the upcoming broadcast of all six Star Wars films on Sky Movies.

Sky are also broadcasting in HD too so it will be interesting to see if the Star Wars films are HD as well.

No dates were given..................

TFN has the scoop here.

I assume the version of AOTC they broadcast will the digital non-35mm one, and the OT will be the 2004 editions.

--SKot

Post: #232355
Topic: Star Wars film versions and best DVD sources
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232355/action/topic#232355
Time: 4-Aug-2006 8:24 PM

Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker

Originally posted by: SKot
Revenge Of The Sith (original theatrical version)
Source: workprint copy Do you mean the workprint with timecode ?
I liked adywan's better (no timecode) and Zion's better still. I listed the timecoded copy, but intended to change it later since I know there were better sources. I nearly forgot I had a non-timecoded copy long before the official DVD came out that had German/English audio tracks, and the quality was amazing. I don't know where the source came from, but somebody must have had access to a digital copy. I assume it's the theatrical version, but I'll have to double-check that. I have no idea if there's a name for that particular release.

What are adywan and Zion's versions like?

Originally posted by: zombie84
I like that that site included the PT, although they neglected to include the original establishing shot of Palpatine's office (which was a very beautiful shot); interesting that they noticed the deletion of BG traffic from AOTC--apparently there are over a hundred such minor edits, which were included on the digital version of the film but not the 35mm version (hence these are not actually DVD changes). Yes - I know there are more of those kinds of changes, but spotting them all would be both difficult and mind-numbingly tedious. Also, the poor quality of the only available copies of the theatrical version of AOTC confound this even further. We got lucky on the traffic deletion shot because ILM actually mentioned that particular one during a seminar.

Also, according to your list there is an HD version of the 1997 SE's--where the hell can i download this???

I wish I knew. Somebody really needs to torrent those; I've had no luck finding them so far.

And the ROTS bootleg is not necessarily from the "workprint," which implies the rough cut, but rather a timecode print of the final version.

Bingo--that's a much more apt description of it, and I suspected something like that must be the case since it's exactly the same as the final version. I think you're right, and I will note accordingly.

Also, regarding the 1977 bootleg--I don't believe this is a camcorder bootleg, but an actual telecine.

On watching it, I tend to agree. It looks a lot more like a telecine than some kind of camcorder job, and Darth Mallwalker's comments seem to point to the same conclusion. I'll note that as well.

Thanks for the comments and corrections, guys.

--SKot

Post: #232268
Topic: Lawsuit on George Lucas?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232268/action/topic#232268
Time: 4-Aug-2006 4:15 PM

I like Star Wars.

--SKot

Post: #232234
Topic: Star Wars film versions and best DVD sources
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232234/action/topic#232234
Time: 4-Aug-2006 1:58 PM — Edited 1-Dec-2011 7:30 PM

For the purpose of information and research, I threw together a list of all the versions of the Star Wars films that have been released, and what is currently the best known DVD source for each film.

Note: I am only including visual differences here - a list including all the different audio versions would be substantially longer. Also, I have not taken into account all the various different non-English releases.

Star Wars film versions:

Star Wars (original theatrical version)
Best source: widescreen bootleg telecine transfer
Best simulated source: official 2006 [G]OUT DVD (original crawl spliced into 1981 version)

Star Wars (1981 version)
Differences: "A New Hope" subtitle added to crawl
Best source: various laserdisc transfers

Star Wars Special Edition (1997 version)
Differences: various added scenes and digital alterations
Best source: TB digital broadcast transfer

Star Wars Special Edition (2004 version)
Differences: further digital alterations added
Best source: official 2004 DVD
Best HD source: WookieGroomer's 1080p WMV files

Star Wars Special Edition (2011 version)
Differences: even further digital alterations added
Best source: official 2011 Blu-ray

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The Empire Strikes Back (original theatrical version)
Best source: official 2006 bonus DVD

The Empire Strikes Back (70mm version)
Differences: various minor scene and editing differences
Best source: [none known]

The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition (1997 version)
Differences: various added scenes and digital alterations
Best source: TB digital broadcast transfer

The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition (2004 version)
Differences: further digital alterations added
Best source: official 2004 DVD
Best HD source: WookieGroomer's 1080p WMV files

The Empire Strikes Back Special Edition (2011 version)
Differences: even further digital alterations added
Best source: official 2011 BD

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Return Of The Jedi (original theatrical version)
Best source: official 2006 bonus DVD

Return Of The Jedi Special Edition (1997 version)
Differences: various added scenes and digital alterations
Best source: TB digital broadcast transfer

Return Of The Jedi Special Edition (2004 version)
Differences: further digital alterations added
Best source: official 2004 DVD
Best HD source: WookieGroomer's 1080p WMV files

Return Of The Jedi Special Edition (2011 version)
Differences: even further digital alterations added
Best source: official 2011 BD

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The Phantom Menace (press screening version)
Differences: Darth Maul does not split in half when falling down the shaft
Best source: [none known]

The Phantom Menace (original theatrical version)
Best source: TB digital broadcast transfer

The Phantom Menace (extended DVD version)
Differences: various extended scenes
Best source: official DVD
Best HD source: WookieGroomer's 1080p WMV files

The Phantom Menace (extended BD version)
Differences: various extended scenes plus further digital alterations
Best source: official BD

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Attack Of The Clones (original theatrical film version)
Best source: bootleg camcorder transfer

Attack Of The Clones (digital theatrical/DVD version)
Differences: various digital alterations, Anakin takes Padme's hand at wedding
Best source: official DVD

Attack Of The Clones (IMAX edit version)
Differences: various scenes edited down to fit IMAX running time
Best source: [none known, VCD bootleg rumored]

Attack Of The Clones (2011 version)
Differences: order of some scenes changed
Best source: official BD

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Revenge Of The Sith (original theatrical film/theatrical digital version)
Best source: official BD

Revenge Of The Sith (DVD version)
Differences: diagonal wipe to Anakin crawling up the volcanic slope is now a straight cut
Best source: official DVD
Best HD source: WookieGroomer's 1080p WMV files

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The Star Wars Holiday Special
Best source: KCCI broadcast recording

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The Ewok Adventure
Best source: various laserdisc transfers

Caravan Of Courage (aka The Ewok Adventure)
Differences: "The Ewok Adventure" title card changed to read "Caravan Of Courage"
Best source: official DVD

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The Battle For Endor (aka Ewoks: The Battle For Endor)
Best source: official DVD

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For a detailed rundown of the differences between movie versions (with screenshots), see Chris Gould's articles here.

--SKot

Post: #232212
Topic: The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232212/action/topic#232212
Time: 4-Aug-2006 12:32 PM

I think the title of this thread needs to be changed to:

The "original crawl" on the HYPERSPACE TRAILER is NOT the original crawl!

Because that's all we really know, when it comes down to it.

--SKot

Post: #232055
Topic: Why LFL is actually cool (I know we need some reasons right now)...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232055/action/topic#232055
Time: 3-Aug-2006 8:59 PM

Originally posted by: generalfrevious
LFL is Big Brother, enough said

No. If they were, they would have squashed all fanfilms and websites long ago. They may frustrate us, but they are not our enemy.

As a character said in a film somehow related to Star Wars and yet somehow not, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

--SKot

Post: #231996
Topic: Why LFL is actually cool (I know we need some reasons right now)...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231996/action/topic#231996
Time: 3-Aug-2006 5:40 PM

Well, on the subject of books and the official products, I have to mention the Star Wars Chronicles.

That massive tome is the best 150 bucks I ever spent. And the best book regarding Star Wars, period. Plus, it's pre-SE, so there's no digital crap in it.

It's even got a number of photos from cut scenes as well as some of the oddball spin-offs like the Ewok movies and the Holiday Special. It's just downright fantastic. With that and Behind The Magic, you own most of the Star Wars universe.

Sadly, pretty much anything put out in recent years will be tainted by CGI additions.

--SKot

Post: #231946
Topic: Why LFL is actually cool (I know we need some reasons right now)...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231946/action/topic#231946
Time: 3-Aug-2006 3:09 PM

Originally posted by: lordjedi
They do that now. Wasn't there a huge uproar years ago when they tried to shutdown some fan websites? They had a huge backlash from that, so now, as long as you're not making money on it, they're ok with it. Making money is where they draw the line (that's from Sansweet himself). Yes, that's what I meant by their taking a few missteps in the beginning. They learned quickly, though, that it's much better to look the other way on strict enforcement of copyright for the sake of letting the fans flourish... as that can only be good for the company and fan relations in the end.

Originally posted by: Sluggo
One of the things I totally love LFL for is thier release of the Behind the Magic CD-ROM. Sure, the thing is ancient now, and on old technology, but the content on there is incredible. Who would have thought we would be able to see the Biggs scenes from Star Wars? If thess discs hadn't come out, there would be no Deleted Magic, and that would suck.

Totally, totally agree with you there, of course. The significance of that one release (Behind The Magic) cannot be understated. What a wealth of info and multimedia that was.

--SKot