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#103490
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Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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Originally posted by: rogue588


So...what did I come in here for? Oh yeah! I picked up a copy of the Holiday Special at a comic book store a few years ago that has MINT PQ and sound. I'm going to try to post a sample and see what the experts on the site think. I'll hopefully have it up by the end of the week.

Keep up the good work, guys.


So you're saying this copy you picked up is better than the very vivid KCCI Angrysun version that's now floating around? What format is this copy on, tape or DVD?

This Holiday Special expert is definitely interested in hearing more on this finding.

--SKot
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#103489
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Info: Interesting Video Finds Alternate Return Of The Jedi Dialogue
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Originally posted by: jaymanchu
Another project would be to compile as many Star Wars Related commercials into a DVD. Everyone has a copy of the original Kenner Commercials but there's also micor machines, C3P0 cerial, Power of the Force toys, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Doritos etc.

Jay


I have actually been wanting to suggest that myself. We need a sticky thread just for the preservation of the commercials, I think. I'd love to see a real effort made to find and capture the best copies of each one, and then archive them on DVD(s)... there's some really good and classic ones out there that are worth preserving. I have quite a few of them, mostly in file form, varying in quality from very crisp to absolutely horrible.

My personal holy grail commercial (recently provided to me finally by my buddy Curt) was the 1977 Burger Chef poster ad that featured a bunch of characters, including a couple Jawas and some Tusken Raiders. To my knowledge, it's the only appearance of Jawas and Tuskens outside of the films. I'd love to see the best copy of this commercial preserved.

--SKot
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#103281
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Info Wanted: Shelagh Fraser's voice in a lost SW mix (Aunt Beru)
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
It is well known that the mono mix, stereo mix, and the 6-track mixes of the original Star Wars each contain different takes of Beru's dialogue. (Listen to the SE mix for 6-track differences. There are some small differences from the 1993 THX and the 1986). Some people think that a different actress entirely dubbed for the mono mix, but after listening to it many times, it seems to me that it makes more sense that the same actress did it; they just read it in a completely different manner.

Here's a completely different question, though; I have info stating that the original "unfinished" mix (of which there were only 9 copies) DID contain Fraser's original voice performance, before she was dubbed, with a thick British accent. Do any of you know any more about this?


I'm very interested in finding out your info source for there only being 9 copies of the "unfinished" mix. Do you mean just the soundtrack itself, or the soundtrack and footage as well?

--SKot
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#102898
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The Official babyhum Release Thread
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baby hum, a question for you: do any of the Japanese making-of laserdiscs NOT have burned-in subtitles? (I know there's more than one version of each out there...)

I've just checked out the Dr. Gonzo versions, and I love them... all except for the subtitles. Are you finding a way around that in your new transfers, or is it just something we have to live with?

Keep 'em coming...

--SKot
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#102853
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Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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Originally posted by: RowMan
I had been searching for a few years for the best quality version possible. A few months ago I sent Rikter a disc of the best one I have ever found. I think he made it into his latest Angrysun edition, but I'm not sure. Rik?


RowMan, I've been meaning to contact you, actually. I've been searching for the best quality version since the early 90s, and the version you have is in fact the best one I have ever seen. I give it about a 9 out of 10. Color and picture sharpness are superb, especially for a 25+ year old broadcast copy.

The previous version I had was very good, but the color was off and it had some minor flaws, making it about an 8.5 or so out of 10. Also, I have just noticed the beginning on that version has been cleverly edited, I assume to cover up a glitch at the start of the original tape.

The next version below that is the Angrysun edition I saw from a Torrent download. I'd say about a 7.5 or 8 out of 10 on that one.

--SKot
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#102841
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Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
There are a few different Angrysun editions. I have the "unauthorized white" version and the "eBay" version. The "eBay" version looks absolutely fantastic, like you're watching it right on TV in 1978.


Hmmm... I've only seen one that was a Torrent. It had the Kenner commercials and the Muppet Show as well. What is the "unauthorized white" version? How does it differ from the "eBay" version?

--SKot
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#102828
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Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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ORIGINAL POST:

Right. Well, we all know how bad it is, BUT… there’s some great stuff in there worth preserving. Besides the obvious Boba Fett cartoon, there’s also:

  • cut scenes of Mos Eisley
  • a cut scene of Vader & Bast
  • close-ups of cantina creatures we can’t see well in Star Wars
  • the only other appearance of the original cast in their Star Wars outfits
  • Bea Arthur singing in all her glory!

Okay, just kidding about that last one.
 

So, the question comes to mind: what is the BEST possible copy of the Special out there? There are certainly plenty of horrible ones, but good ones are much harder to come by.
 

One of the better ones is the Angrysun Edition. But I’ve seen better than this. In fact, I’d consider Angrysun about the third best I’ve seen in terms of quality. What else have you guys seen out there?

[EDIT: This was Angrysun Edition v1.  Angrysun Edition v2 (the KCCI broadcast) is much better quality - see below.]

Ideally, we would want a master from or as close to someone’s original broadcast recording as possible. A transfer from a Betamax recording would give better quality than a VHS recording, in theory.

Now even better than that would be a digital recording off of a professional studio master copy (i.e., an original that was used to broadcast the show). As unlikely as this sounds, it’s possible; I have seen a copy made from an original master. It had a title card from the tape duplicator, no commercials (just 5 second blank gaps between the announcement bumpers), and no station IDs or announcer voiceovers. The only problem was that either the original master was deteriorated horribly, or that it was an nth generation copy–the picture was washed-out and “ghosted” causing very poor quality. But I have yet to unearth an actual studio master so far.

I’d like to use this topic to discuss the better copies of the Holiday Special out there, and determine which ones are the best and how to differentiate between them.

–SKot

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UPDATES:

Here is a link to screen shots of some of the different known recordings of the Holiday Special out there:

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/swhs-old/versions.htm [EDIT: Link updated for 2022]

Best overall copy:

EditDroid’s The Star Wars Holiday Special DVD
This release surfaced in December 2015 and blew away anything previously seen in terms of quality. It appears to be sourced from a master copy, and features crisp video quality, blank spaces where commercials would be, and no announcer voice-over on the credits.
Extras include:

  • optional Spanish audio
  • optional English subtitles
  • CBS TV promos
  • standalone cartoon
  • TV Land segment
  • FOX News G Block
  • Interview clips with Harrison Ford, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Stan Winston
     

Best broadcast copy:
Tasjo’s WHIO-TV 7 V2 DVD
For pure broadcast video quality, this is probably the best one out there. Unfortunately, the original recording did not include commercials. However, the V2 release of the DVD has a menu with extras including all the commercials as taken from the WMAR-TV 2 broadcast. Overall a great choice for the broadcast version.
Extras include:

  • optional commercials
  • optional Spanish audio
     

Best hybrid copy:
Gormaanda Hybrid V2 DVD
This hybrid combining the best elements from two different broadcast copies of the Holiday Special yielded a very pleasing result, and is the preferred broadcast version to watch for many.
Extras include:

  • optional commercials
  • optional Spanish audio
  • standalone cartoon
  • standalone Kenner toy commercial
  • optional RiffTrax audio
     

Discussion continues on new preservation possibilities and other versions that surface.

–SKot

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#100833
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Star Wars: Deleted Magic (Released)
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Hello, all. This is a damn good thing ocpmovie's done here, despite my holding up the train trying to get that Behind The Magic and Making Magic stuff captured! As it turns out, I finally got them the way I was trying to, but within a day of my getting a sample to ocpmovie, GuruKenn had provided an even BETTER copy of the scenes (good job!). Oh well. At least I managed to come through with a super-quality copy of the VH1 special, which I believe is what you see on the finished product.

The Cut Scenes group will be previewing the Deleted Magic DVD at Celebration 3, beverages likely in hand. This should prove to be a highlight of the con, and it's not even Lucasfilm official!

Anyway, I've got to give ocpmovie yet another hand. This is the coolest thing I've seen since The Star Wars Storybook.

And it's true: I have been known to sit through repeated viewings of "Light the Sky on Fire", stone cold sober. I even have a single and sheet music for the song...

--SKot

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#100449
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The Official babyhum Release Thread
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I just wanted to give a hearty "thank you" to babyhum (and to all the others here) from the Star Wars Cut Scenes community... artifacts like these making-of specials are invaluable to our research. I have bh001 and bh002 now, and in addition to my being very impressed with the transfer, I've found that bh001 especially contained some incredible cut footage involving the unseen Rebel gunner sled.

babyhum, I'd like to get in touch with you directly to talk about future projects and possible collaborations. If you can't reach me from here, you can find me in the Contact section at:

http://www.starwarscutscenes.com

or

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com

Thanks,

--SKot