Ryan-SWI

The law is not "you can illegally come here so long as you’re not a bad guy"
The law is you cannot illegally come here
You can’t just bend and shape laws to suit your needs based on how you feel about a particular topic. Who gets to sit in the courtroom and be the feelings judge, deciding which cases should be dismissed because you feel bad? You?
What a great basis for a justice system.

Here’s an argument then.
They’re illegal immigrants.
Cherry picking a few in terrible circumstances to try and paint this picture of Trump being an evil dictator is disingenuous.
Or is the law suddenly not something we have to take into consideration because feelings? Wonderful, we can start running the nation solely on feelings, who needs laws anyway right?

I didn’t say they were factually incorrect, just that linking to it is about as credible as linking to a Wikipedia article, if a Wikipedia article had clickbait titles and sensationalised dribble sprinkled throughout.

Being hyperbolic, spewing buzzwords at people, yelling at them that they’re wrong about everything, calling them demeaning names, shutting down all conversation by calling someone a Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bigot! is why Trump won. People got sick of being patronised by people who refuse to step outside their own little echo chamber.
The Dems clearly want 8 years instead of just 4.

Salon as a source? What’s next, Buzzfeed? Talk about journalistic integrity.
Hopefully a right winger can start linking Brietbart so the extreme sides of both views can be represented.

The only thing more upsetting is that you’ve spent countless years making fun of people on the internet. How fulfilling.

It doesn’t matter how crap the Han Solo film may or may not be, either way it’ll make close to a billion dollars and everyone will claim it’s the best thing ever, just like the endless Marvel films that come out every year. Disney makes products first and foremost.

Thought so.

I have elaborated. Many times. As have many other people. Why would I bother doing it again when it’ll just be another three pages of the group of you circlejerking each other?

There’s no point trying to debate any of you because you’re too arrogant to even consider for a second that you might not be the smartest people in the universe.

Not all of us are narcissistic enough to always make every thread about ourselves so I’m not once again having this discussion in an unrelated thread.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

I also question how that ruins his character, yet you apparently take no issue with how he’s handled in TFA. I’d argue ignoring an entire trilogy of character development

That makes no sense. I guess you haven’t actually seen ROTJ, or understand that TFA did not take place immediately thereafter.

The same argument could be used to defend the characters in the PT in regards to their OT counterparts; it’s a moot point.
Or is TFA not supposed to be a direct continuation? Oh, wait, no, silly me, I’m sure we’ll find out in expanded universe material why Han’s arc in IV - VI was butchered so horrifically. It’s not like TFA should stand on its own or anything, God forbid.
I don’t actually care that you like TFA but the insane double standards you have towards it is unreal. Apparently its huge flaws are perfectly okay because… Reasons? But in literally any other Star Wars material there are not allowed to be any of the exact same flaws. Ever.
It would almost be hilarious if it wasn’t so ridiculous.
One might think you’re blinded by nostalgia, but obviously that’s only something those dastardly PT fans are affected by, obviously.

Judge said:

Prowse has been lied to and screwed over by Lucas from day one, so I’m not surprised he was “acting as jerk”. I certainly trust him more than Lucas when it comes to the history of these movies, considering Lucas’ entire version of events has been contradicted by other figures in one way or another over the years. It seems more likely to me that Prowse was banned from LFL events for not sticking to the ‘official story’.

Nobody is claiming Lucas to be a saint.
But Prowse was in hot water the moment he leaked the ESB twist well before the film ever came out. He was also never hired to voice or physically (as in, out of the suit) play Darth Vader, Lucas just said he might be able to; not to mention he was barely in ROTJ and fired before the mask scene was even filmed. This stuff happens all the time, and that’s hardly being "lied to."
Prowse is not some poor innocent victim nasty old Lucasfilm bullied for fun.

"Han and Leia were perfect in TFA"
May be the funniest thing I’ve ever heard someone say right after complaining endlessly about the PT. Perfect blend of hypocrisy and irony. Brilliant.

Has anyone included the Ewok films in their list? That’s be interesting to see.

Another thing to think about might be Kennedy.
George personally appointed her as the head of his life’s work; I don’t know if the decision is up to her but she knows how strongly he feels on the matter and might be holding out due to respect on both a personal and professional level.
That’s just speculation though.

TV’s Frink said:

Yes, if you enjoy watching a movie that ruins Han’s character, that’s cool for you.

At least you’re not melodramatic.
I also question how that ruins his character, yet you apparently take no issue with how he’s handled in TFA. I’d argue ignoring an entire trilogy of character development is a bit more severe than him not shooting a gun first. But hey, maybe I’m crazy.

The fact that vaders no ruins the climax of the trilogy is an interesting point I hadn’t considered before.

I agree. All I can think is that Lucas thought maybe the audience didn’t understand that Vader was conflicted during the scene; that it wasn’t apparent enough through his body language.
But that makes no damn sense because the audience had been well aware of that for almost 30 years.
I guess it makes about as much sense as digital rocks that disappear in the next scene.

ray_afraid said:

Ryan-SWI said:

I’ll eat my hat if it happens. Feel free to hold me to that.

Is it a fedora?

Is yours?

Haarspalter said:

Sougouk said:

OMG, Boba Fett … a real ladies’ man

Jesus

TV’s Frink said:

I’m baffled at someone who either doesn’t understand this or doesn’t care.

You do realise that what you listed as “the absolute worst” changes are your opinion, right? My “absolute worst” changes are different than yours, there’s no objective measurement of kinda bad vs really bad on this subject.
Han not shooting first is dumb and takes away from his character, but it’s not distracting for me to the point of it ruining the whole film.
ROTJ on the other hand has so much random crap thrown at the screen that I’m distracted for the first half of the film to the point where I can’t even enjoy myself.

Obviously Han not shooting first is that level of awfulness for you, and that’s completely fine, I’m just saying that in my opinion it isn’t.
Also I don’t know why you assumed I just sit around and watch the SE all the time; 95% of the time I watch the OOT, the BD is just there for when I’m doing something else like cleaning or doing housework and I’m not paying attention anyway.

If I recall correctly I watched almost nothing but the 1992 Pan & Scan VHS release of IV - VI for years on repeat. I remember being too young to know what roman numerals were so I had no idea which order the films went in, so I just watched whichever one I felt like at the time and was always sucked in the moment the movie started.

I begged my Dad to take me to see TPM when it came out in 1999 and mortified my mother by talking endlessly about how Darth Maul was cut in half; I learned years later my father got in a lot of trouble for that 😛
My Dad then took me out of school to see both AOTC and ROTS in theatres the day they came out.

For TFA I took my Dad, which was a really nice experience to share considering the first film he ever took me to the cinemas for was TPM.

R1 same sort of deal.

I’m honestly not a fan of these annual releases; Star Wars always felt like a huge event but it’s feeling less so now that it’s going to be non-stop for a while, kind of takes a way a bit of the ‘specialness,’ in my opinion anyway.

I wish life were still as simple as just sitting in front of a crappy tube TV all day watching Return of the Jedi over and over again, sleeping, rinse and repeat.

lovelikewinter said:

Is it just me or does almost nothing of importance happen in The Phantom Menace? Anakin is found and Palpatine becomes Chancellor. That’s about it.

I see this complaint often, but it’s a surface level one. No different from saying “Is the only point of Empire to show Luke training and Vader being his father?”, or, "Is Fellowship of the Ring just about Frodo starting to walk towards a mountain?"
The latter examples are a bit extreme but it’s the same sort of principle.
TPM adds to Obi-Wan’s character development and begins to show Palpatine’s rise to power (not just him becoming Chancellor), but how he manipulates those around him, which comes into play more and more in the next two films. It also adds to the development of Anakin and seeing where he originated, which is a big driving force for his actions in AOTC, and in turn, ROTS.
That’s not to say every frame of TPM is super relevant to the trilogy, just that there’s more than surface level plot points.

I mean you can argue it’s all crap and pointless and you’re entitled to your opinion, but it’s a bit unfair to take a couple of main plot points and declare that’s all there is to the movie.

EDIT: Also Lucas’ worst decision is burying the OOT. There’s nothing wrong with there being a SE, but it shouldn’t come at the cost of the originals.
Also selling Star Wars, it’s pretty hypocritical to spend decades championing indie filmmaking and then sell out to the biggest studio there is. Though in saying that though I don’t really blame him for just saying f*** it after a decade of people yelling at him.

TV’s Frink said:

You sometimes watch ANH SE but ROTJ SE is an abomination. Your opinion is once again duly noted.

Whoops. I forgot other opinions trigger you. Sorry.

Lord Haseo said:

I would say that diminishing one of the series’ greatest characters is worse than any type of fan service.

I assume you mean Darth Vader? That’s your opinion, not a fact. If you want to talk about diminishing a great character I’d love to know why Han Solo lost all his character progression from IV - VI, just so he could do it in a third of the time in VII for “new audiences.” Or maybe Luke, running away from his friends and family because he dun goofed. Gee that sounds like Luke. How about Leia, that kickass heroine from the other three films? Oh yeah she just kinda stands around and talks now. How truly respectful of Daddy Disney.

I’m sure it will “all be explained in the next film” though, because movies apparently shouldn’t have to be able to stand on their own anymore.

Also Jango Fett is blatant fan service and created a disconnect with the OT that lead to Boba’s original voice being replaced.

Jango Fett is not the reason the voice actor was changed, Lucas going completely nuts at the editing station is why that happened. Giving a character backstory is not blatant fan service in a saga of six films that link to each other.

I honestly couldn’t care less what you think of any of the Star Wars films. I just want to know what the point of threads like this are if the mindset is that you share the opinion of others or get out.
Again, what is the point of posting the same list over and over again?

Lord Haseo said:

That’s the same as me putting down fans of AOTC by saying:

“OMG Yoda with a LIGHTSABER and…LIGHTSABERS!!1!1!!”

Which like your previous statement has never been stated by anyone. Ever.

Well, no.

Blatant fan service over making the film stand on its own was never a problem with the prequels. There’s plenty you can think wrong of them, but that’s not one of them. There was fan service in the prequels, but the entire plot and everything that happened in the span of two hours did not try to make fanboys wet their pants because they recognise a reference to a film they’ve seen.

TFA on the other hand is often accused of being an OT greatest hits piece instead of its own film, because the entire plot and all the visuals of the film are literally lifted from a 40 year old movie.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Mocata said:

I guess it’s possible, it would be interesting even if he just got to flesh out an existing plan for the narrative. But I’m just suspicious that this is all a Lucasfilm board room creation after the 2-3 named writers on TFA. It’s probably all just done with a committee.
“I am not a committee” - Rian Johnson, probably.

Hey come on, TFA wasn’t made in a boardroom, it was clearly made with time, love and care. That’s why a messy script was rushed through production with “A New Hope” scribbled out on the front.

Yeah, you listen to JJ talk about the film for two hours and it’s clear how little he cares about it.

If I was paid millions of dollars to do so I’d say the same.

Considering almost all his films have been remakes/reboots and re-hashes I’m more inclined to see him as a studio yes-man.

TV’s Frink said:

“I hate the ROTJ SE.”

“Han Solo shooting first or Jabba and Boba Fett existing at all in ANH SE doesn’t bother me.”

Ok.

If you’re replying to me I literally never once said I was okay with either of those things, but yes, they bother me less than the changes to ROTJ.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

HINT: Deluding and ignoring flaws of the new films just because “OMG Stormtroopers and the Millennium Falcon!!1!1!!”

Yeah I’ve not seen a single person do that here.

Lol.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Wrong. The only person who acts that way around here is Impscum. Please provide evidence of me, Frink, Dominic etc. saying our opinions are factual or anything like that.

Exhibit A: Equating personal opinion with objectivity (i.e. fact)

TV’s Frink said:

Anyone is allowed to like the prequels, doing so is just expressing one’s personal opinion. However, I firmly believe that anyone who doesn’t think they’re objectively poorly executed is either not paying attention or lying to themselves. That makes them bad.

Exhibit B: Equating a group of opinions with objectivity (i.e. fact)

DominicCobb said:

putting aside the fact that the large majority of people (in general, not just this site) say the prequels aren’t great, which isn’t evidence but is as good an objective indicator as you can get

But didn’t you know? Opinion and subjective anecdotes = fact!