Ryan-SWI

So your opinion of ‘bullshit’ automatically makes it bullshit? Sorry supreme elitist pubar of the OT forum.

Let me pose this question to you then, I’ve sunk well over $100 into TFA in cinemas seeing it a total of 10 times. I have also ordered the UK DVD, US DVD, Best Buy Blu-Ray Steelbook, Standard US Blu-Ray and the Target Exclusive Blu-Ray.

So, all that considered, along with the fact that this ENTIRE FORUM is dedicated to piracy in some form or another, you think that just because of a superficial date, regardless of personal ownership (paid for) of the film, as well as sinking hundreds of dollars into it, people should not be allowed to discuss a crappy cinema recorded version for preservation purposes?

Righto.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

Geeze get a grip and chill out.
Anyone here who does ‘pirate’ the bootlegs of this film I can guarantee you saw the film at least once in the cinema and plans to buy it on home video, not to mention the fact that ‘piracy’ is an extremely valuable tool for preservations; without piracy we would not have the theatrical copy of Attack of the Clones.

Oh no!

If you’re just going to be a smarmy wanker about this stuff I don’t know what you’re doing in the preservations area.

towne32 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

I agree and no one should be talking g about blu-ray rips.

But what do you think of the more morally grey area? At what point does a cam become okay to discuss? Surely time is the only difference between that and the other telecines, HDTV recordings, and laserdisc rips that we already use. It’s all unambiguously piracy, technically.

I am not saying we should be utilizing the cam at this point, even for information. We shouldn’t. Just asking the same question I keep asking in this thread, that no one has an answer for.

Are you asking when it should be okay to openly discuss bootlegs of Episode VII?

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

Geeze get a grip and chill out.
Anyone here who does ‘pirate’ the bootlegs of this film I can guarantee you saw the film at least once in the cinema and plans to buy it on home video, not to mention the fact that ‘piracy’ is an extremely valuable tool for preservations; without piracy we would not have the theatrical copy of Attack of the Clones.

TV’s Frink said:

Why bother? I’m sure one of the many pirates on our boards can confirm.

You’re clearly not one of them, or you’d know cams cut off the credits.

joefavs said:

Ryan-SWI said:

joefavs said:

Bleep bloops aside, hasn’t it already been determined that the end credits have been extended by a couple minutes for the home release?

That’d be harder to prove wouldn’t it? Most cams cut off the end credits after a few seconds.

Supposedly “Scherzo for X-Wings” has been inserted into the end medley between Rey and Kylo’s themes, compared to the album version. Personally, though, i can’t be sure whether the version on the soundtrack is accurate to the theatrical version because I can’t remember whether or not I stayed through the credits any of the times I saw it in theaters.

Is anyone’s local cinema still playing the film? Quick! To the movies!

joefavs said:

Bleep bloops aside, hasn’t it already been determined that the end credits have been extended by a couple minutes for the home release?

That’d be harder to prove wouldn’t it? Most cams cut off the end credits after a few seconds.

Density said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Density said:

I saw it. I did not notice a single change, certainly not a single sound effect or lack thereof. And I sure as hell am not going to be losing any bleepin’ sleep over it. I was extremely satisfied with what I saw to say the least. No Lucasing around here. Just a beautiful copy of the film I saw in theaters that looked and sounded awesome. Will be paying for it as soon as they’ll let me.

Literally was just mentioned that there may have been different sound mixes used for various cinemas, meaning that just because the BD resembles what you saw/heard in the theater, it doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone.

OK, well, the original films (first two at least) also had different sound mixes for different prints/theaters. With far more noticeable differences than the one you described that might not even exist…

I’ve already had it confirmed from another user that it certainly is there, so it does exist; whether it’s an error or an actual sound effect is another matter entirely.
The first two films having more noticeable differences in the sound mixes is a bit irrelevant though. There’s no denying that this potential sound effect is extremely trivial, but that’s besides the point. It obviously existed in some form or another in one of the releases, and other releases are omitting it, therefore it’s worthy of discussion.

Density said:

I saw it. I did not notice a single change, certainly not a single sound effect or lack thereof. And I sure as hell am not going to be losing any bleepin’ sleep over it. I was extremely satisfied with what I saw to say the least. No Lucasing around here. Just a beautiful copy of the film I saw in theaters that looked and sounded awesome. Will be paying for it as soon as they’ll let me.

Literally was just mentioned that there may have been different sound mixes used for various cinemas, meaning that just because the BD resembles what you saw/heard in the theater, it doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone.

See I’m convinced JJ was talking nonsense or at least appealing to the people who don’t nit-pick when making that statement.
Almost every single film has changes when it hit home video, even if they’re borderline unnoticeable. Usually it’s just replacing some iffy audio or an awkward cut, but there’s often something there.
So I don’t think he was lying intentionally, but to the average filmgoer I’d say he’s telling the truth.

towne32 said:

clutchins said:

yotsuya said:

The first step of a preservation is to determine what the original contained. Before we can discuss any specific preservation, we have to have the discussion about what, if anything is different.

The alleged change in question is a “bleep bloop”, which I believe is the correct scientific nomenclature.

Hah.

Really, though, I do agree that a thread like this will be useful if changes are actually found out. I’m not sure how it’s different from other ‘method development’ threads in this section such as super resolution or color matching in that sense.

But it’s probably jumping the gun a bit as the blu-ray isn’t out yet. And it’s unclear at what point in time discussion of the cam will be considered fair game. It’s clearly acceptable around here for episodes II and III (as are 1978 bootlegs of the first film), but it’s understandable if we’re a ways off from that still.

Clarity on that would be good. I’d say it’s a safe assumption that everyone here is buying the BD or DVD anyway.

towne32 said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Food for thought, is it possible some cam versions have different audio mixes? Obviously we all know that not every single cam is the same and they’re usually all recorded by different people in different countries, so it may be a possibility that different theatres had differing audio mixes.

I think it’s a spanish cam with audio added in from who knows where.

On the money. The very first ‘marked’ one released with the Spanish crawl has the sound effect I’m referring to. As did every cinema I saw the film at personally.

Food for thought, is it possible some cam versions have different audio mixes? Obviously we all know that not every single cam is the same and they’re usually all recorded by different people in different countries, so it may be a possibility that different theatres had differing audio mixes.

oojason said:

I can’t hear any beep noises from BB-8 in the scene you describe mate - on the cam version or the bluray (31m, 48s). That’s not to say they are not there - but just I can’t hear any…

BB-8 does however makes beep noises in the scene you describe on the official teaser trailer, here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww (about 28 seconds in)

It’s definitely there. I’m not going to go ahead and post clips before the official release of the film, but I’ll make a short clip a week from now comparing the two.

doubleofive said:

As the resident “Changes” guy, even I have to say that this may be a bit much.

Are we 1000000% sure that he gave a “bleep bloop” in every version of the 2D, 3D, 3D IMAX, 15/70 IMAX out there? That doesn’t even count the different sound mixes. Or that perhaps the promo copy doesn’t have the ATMOS sound folded down correctly? Or if it’s just the person’s sound system on which it was viewed?

Every single version? Who knows, but I saw the film in 2D, 3D and 3D IMAX and they all had that “bleep bloop”.
Obviously there’s no way to tell whether the lack of an audio clip in that particular scene can be chalked up to other variables with the promo or sound system itself, and we won’t know for sure until a week from now, but I’ve got my money on it being a definite change, and it’s curious to say the least.

I’m aware of the “bad way” of getting it currently, and I certainly haven’t gotten it that way.
Disney has sent out promo copies to a lot of people, someone I know being one of them, and that’s how I watched it early and made the comparison. I don’t think I need to prove my validity considering a simple Google search will bring up hundreds of people who have gotten it early. Even if I did obtain it wrongfully (which I didn’t), I’ve preordered five different editions of the film on BD now so it’s not like I’m not contributing to Disney’s dollar pile.

Regardless of that you’re right, it is now apparent that bootlegs of The Force Awakens from a few months ago shall now be the only way to view the original version of the film. ‘Wrong’ or not, like you said it will be comparable to the AoTC Centropy version which is literally the only version of the theatrical cut we have.

Hi there, just thought I’d post something I noticed.
At around the 30-31 minute (forget the specific time) mark of the TFA Blu-Ray, there is a close-up of BB-8 fleeing with Rey and Finn, headed for the Falcon.
Now in the theatrical version BB-8 makes a little “bleep bloop” noise, this is completely absent from the Blu Ray version.
This is the only change I’ve picked up so far but I highly doubt it’s the only one. That means that once again, no matter how minor, we have another Star Wars film edited from its original format for the home video release.
The company and staff may change, but the tradition never will :’)

Not sure if this has been the topic of discussion yet, but does anyone think The Force Awakens will undergo changes between now and April for its home video release like the previous Star Wars films?
While it’s true Lucas isn’t involved with this one, lots of movies still undergo some changes, however minor, before reaching the home video market.

Would it be worth preserving a theatrical cut of the film in the future if this becomes the case? Only time will tell, obviously, but I think it’s an interesting topic. Next to Revenge of the Sith this could end up the least tinkered with.

BUMP.

Sorry to surface a very old, dead thread, but I too am looking for the Centropy (CTP) release of Harry Potter.

Anyone??

RU.08 said:

You need to PM any of us and we'll give you an invite to the spleen. :)

That is unless you already have one in your PM box that you haven't seen yet.

 Yup, received an invite from someone already. Thanks everyone (:

Feallan said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Feallan said:

It's on Myspleen.

 Isn't Myspleen a private site, as in it's only available to a limited number of people?

 Myspleen is invite only, but it has to be the easiest private tracker to get on.

 I'm quite useless at getting access to hings like this, however I'll bum around the net for a bit and see what I can find.

none said:

List of known theater performance recordings:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Theater-Performance-Preservations/topic/12161/

Centropy/CTP is generally considered the best of the AotCs.

I just checked and the link for the AotC file is dead; only a 404 Not Found screen is present.

Feallan said:

It's on Myspleen.

 Isn't Myspleen a private site, as in it's only available to a limited number of people?

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