Ryan-SWI

Lord Haseo said:

Wrong. The only person who acts that way around here is Impscum. Please provide evidence of me, Frink, Dominic etc. saying our opinions are factual or anything like that.

It isn’t whether you say they are or not, it’s how you act towards any member who doesn’t like the same things you do.
And don’t hide behind the “I was just asking a question” nonsense, a passive aggressive remark like that is made any time anyone dares put one of the apparent “bad” films above one of the apparent “good” ones, and if they take the bait a three page argument ensues of about 3-4 people ragging on another over a movie.

Bullying anyone and everyone who likes a movie you don’t is the reason die-hard Star Wars fans get such a bad wrap. If the thread was specifically about hating/discussing one or more of the movies sure, but this is literally just a place to share your own personal list of your most to least favourite Star Wars films and maybe discuss it. But nobody can discuss it, because every single thread on this site needs to devolve into crap-flinging over someone liking a movie someone else doesn’t no matter how civil one side may be.

Or do you think asking another hundred people why they dare to like a prequel film will suddenly change the reason they do, or do you get some arrogant sense of self worth from it? There are a huge chunk of people that like the prequels. There are a huge chunk of people who don’t like the prequels. It truly does not matter, grow up.

I think TFA is garbage but I don’t have a meltdown anytime someone dares to say they like it, and challenge everyone who does. Some people like different things. Most people learned that in what, preschool?

Mocata said:

I guess it’s possible, it would be interesting even if he just got to flesh out an existing plan for the narrative. But I’m just suspicious that this is all a Lucasfilm board room creation after the 2-3 named writers on TFA. It’s probably all just done with a committee.
“I am not a committee” - Rian Johnson, probably.

Hey come on, TFA wasn’t made in a boardroom, it was clearly made with time, love and care. That’s why a messy script was rushed through production with “A New Hope” scribbled out on the front.

“All of this is wrong” because it dares challenge the weird elitist mentality bubble going on here, yes I know.

It wouldn’t be an issue if people weren’t made fun of every. single. time. they dare deviate from the “correct” list.
What the hell is even the point of this thread if you’re not allowed to do what the title states?

We may as well lock the thread with a final post of “your opinion is wrong unless it’s ours” and call it a day.

• User comes onto a thread for creating their own personal, subjective list
• User does not post the “correct” list the hivemind deems acceptable to type
• User gets mocked for not posting the “correct” list
• User gets mocked for not posting the “correct” list by people who think TFA is the best thing since sliced bread
• Other users circlejerk in their obvious hilarity as they are clearly the only ones who know what makes a good film
• Other users don’t see the irony of what they’re doing

And the cycle goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on…

HINT: Deluding and ignoring flaws of the new films just because “OMG Stormtroopers and the Millennium Falcon!!1!1!!” while ragging on people for having the “wrong”, “bad taste” or “ill-informed” opinions is the most hypocritical thing this site has been doing since the end of 2015. Who cares if he thinks AOTC is better, not every person who has a different opinion needs to be shat on because, shock horror, you probably have ‘unpopular’ opinions too.

Lord Haseo said:

May I ask why you have AOTC so high and Rogue One so low?

It could be because they like AOTC more. Just a guess though.

I don’t understand that either. You’d think by now the OT deleted scenes would have been cleaned up; some minor work was even done to some incomplete PT deleted scenes by ADM years ago. I realise the PT footage is easier to work with but it’s still quite baffling.

I’d love to just do it myself if not for life getting in the way.

SparkySywer said:

and to make itself closer to the better films.

So close that it steals the entire plot of the “better” films :’)

On occasion I don’t mind watching the 1997 - 2011 various special editions of ANH and ESB.
On occasion I don’t mind watching the 1997 - 2004 various special editions of ROTJ.
But watching the 2011 special edition of ROTJ is like smashing my head against a wall for two hours. I guess the audio mix on the disc is nice though.

crissrudd4554 said:

Says you.

Mature.
Fox owns the rights, but it’s not as simple as that, and I have no idea why everyone on these forums seems to think Fox can just jump up and say “Yes! It’s time to distribute the OOT on 4K!” anytime they want.
There’s a lot of legal hoops they need to jump through with Disney and Lucasfilm. The digital releases were missing the 20th Century Fox logo or is everyone forgetting that? Oh right but it’s clearly as simple as Fox just deciding to do whatever they want, they must have decided to omit their logo from the beginning of those releases just because they felt like it.

For the record Fox retains distribution rights for the original Star Wars, it does not own all the prints for the original Star Wars or the right to scan and/or alter anything without the approval of Lucasfilm and by extension, Disney.

Conflicts of interest and contractual legalities are enough to throw a huge wrench in the works for anything like this. Shutting down discussion that doesn’t align with the hivemind doesn’t change that.

I want a 4K release just as much as anyone but expecting one this year or anytime soon is lunacy and I’ll eat my hat if it happens. Feel free to hold me to that.

Burdokva said:

I applaud Lucas for trying to push cinematic technology but even with everything about them as-is, AotC and RotS would have been better movies if had stuck with actual film, real sets and props instead of going full-on, bluescreen only.

Preferences are fine but regardless of what you think of the films it’s not objectively better or worse depending on what medium it’s shot on or what tools are used; it’s how those things are used, not the existence of them.
TFA has more CGI than TPM, some of it sloppier than parts of TPM, but rightfully nobody cares because it doesn’t matter.
There were also an insane amount of real sets and props in the PT, but we won’t get into that because anything positive said about the PT on here leads to pages of rhetoric.

Backtracking a bit here but I don’t know why people keep jumping on the “maybe a 4K release” train, it’s not going to happen this year or any time soon; Disney does not support 4K and they’re not going to suddenly start in the next couple of months with an older Star Wars movie over one of their own animated films or even one of the newer Star Wars films.
As nice as it would be the general consumer has grown up with or gotten used to the SE and a 4K release of the OUT is two niches a billion dollar company is not going to take a gamble on.

I hear arrogance is great this time of year.

And you’ve proven my point, bye.

Sort of.
I gave a rushed convoluted description because it’s not worth typing out an essay to get a two word response from Frink or yourself. But in a sense you’re right, originality, but it’s not just about the characters, and I don’t just look at a Star Wars film and decide if I like it or not based on one nugget of originality.
And I didn’t “prequel fanboy” the first three in.
I genuinely like the story arc of I - III and find it much more interesting than the OT, specifically Palpatine’s rise and gradual manipulation of Anakin and the Senate.
I could make just as silly a remark and say most people here “OT fanboy” 4-7 in, but I didn’t because I’m not dismissive for no other reason than to be petty.

Different people take and value different things from movies, I don’t sit here and shit on everyone who likes ROTJ and TFA because they’re just being “fanboys”, I may disagree with them but I don’t try and make them feel like a moron because of it. If that’s your idea of a discussion then fine, like I said I’m not going to continue this nonsense further, I’m tired of constantly being berated for thinking differently so I just won’t bother anymore.

Cool.

I wasn’t responding to you, Frink, no ill-will intended.

Look, this is why I usually don’t venture outside a few areas of this site. It’s not worth it because any discussion is derailed immediately by either a mob mentality or mocking and making fun of someone just for having a different opinion.
For all the jokes the users here make about some other Star Wars forums on the net this place really isn’t much better in some areas, it’s just the other extreme of the problem.
I’m done posting in this thread as (surprise surprise) obviously nobody can deviate from the hive-mind because god forbid anyone think differently.

So nice to see the elitism cireclejerk shutting out any discussion as usual.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:
4. A New Hope
5. Rogue One
6. The Empire Strikes Back
7. Return of the Jedi
8. The Force Awakens

Alright, I’ll humor you. How did you get to this order?

If I were going by technical and objective qualities of the films themselves my list would look very different. I’m not interested in disclosing what I do in real life here as it’s not relevant, but suffice to say I spend enough time looking at those qualities to want something different and personal when I’m watching one of my favourite franchises. My list isn’t what I think is a Best To Worst of the Star Wars films, just what my personal preference is on an enjoyment level.

ANH/ESB/R1 all change frequently as they all have narrative elements and themes I enjoy on various levels.
ROTJ is where it is because half the film feels redundant and the other half is bogged down by the silly decision to make another Death Star, but it still has many redeeming qualities, like the Luke/Vader scenes.
TFA then takes all the worst parts of ROTJ and amplifys it by valuing cheap throwbacks and visuals over any actual storytelling or expansion of the Star Wars saga as a whole. The only big change it makes is that now Han Solo is dead. Other plot holes like Luke’s lightsaber just aren’t explained because JJ is afraid of any exposition at all. The whole film feels like a Marvel film, which is never what Star Wars was.
Say what you will about any other film from I - VI, but each film added something significantly new in one way or another, and all of them stood on their own narratively without having to wait for the next movie in the series to explain all the nonsense it created.

But again, that was a personal preference list.
If we’re talking objective filmmaking the list would probably (for the most part) look like a lot of the other lists on here, but what’s the point of posting the same list over and over again.

TV’s Frink said:

I have seen a few complaints about TFA having poor characters. Not many but a few. I’ve seen a few people say R1 had great characters. Not many but a few.

I’ve seen no one say both those things together.

And no, since you asked, I don’t spend time outside of here discussing Star Wars, except an occasional post on non-SW sites, and with my wife and daughters.

Then we must have had a misunderstanding. I didn’t mean to imply Rogue One had great characters, I just said they were interesting. I don’t even think R1 had good characters, just that a couple of them were interesting to watch and think about.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

I’ll give you interesting characters for R1, but TFA’s characters are about as deep as a puddle.

This is literally the first time I’ve seen someone express this opinion, even here where every single opinion possible is expressed.

Do you hang out anywhere other than OT?.. TFA being a disappointment to a lot of people isn’t news. I’m sure the people who just wanted fan-service were more than happy and more power to them, but I want more from a Star Wars film than [Insert Iconic Trade Mark Visual Here #72479], over an interesting story or characters.

It’s like you didn’t even see the part of your post that I quoted.

The opinion of the characters being crap is not a new one. I know elaboration isn’t your thing but I thought the point was pretty obvious.

Alderaan said:

“LOOK GUYS THERE’S A SHOT THAT LOOKS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE ONE FROM DAGOBAH”

Quick interjection, which shot was that? Because not once at any point in the three times I’ve seen the film did I even think of Dagobah.

Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet but the colour correction for the snow on Hoth was a good addition, it actually looks like snow now.

Alderaan said:

HP. Lovecraft said:
Rouge one has none of these problems as far as I remember.

Orly?

As blatant as
"LOOK GUYS IT’S THE CHESS BOARD"
“LOOK GUYS IT’S THE TRAINING DROID”
"LOOK GUYS IT’S THE PARSEC LINE AGAIN"
No, not really, at least not on that level.

Haarspalter said:

Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

I’ll give you interesting characters for R1, but TFA’s characters are about as deep as a puddle.

This is literally the first time I’ve seen someone express this opinion, even here where every single opinion possible is expressed.

TFA being a disappointment to a lot of people isn’t news. I’m sure the people who just wanted fan-service were more than happy and more power to them, but I want more from a Star Wars film than [Insert Iconic Trade Mark Visual Here #72479], over an interesting story or characters.

What are you talking about? R1 is cluttered with fan service on highly distracting measures.

Please, tell me the difference between the fan service in TFA and the fan service in R1.

When did I say it wasn’t? Don’t put words in my mouth to try and bait me.
I said I wanted a decent story and characters over just fan service.
That’s not to say that Rogue One wasn’t full of fan service, just that I thought it attempted to have actual depth beyond that. Maybe it wasn’t as technically proficient as TFA, but at least it took a chance to be more than glossy popcorn fodder.