Ronster

Sorry folks another problem in the command center.

The line "launch Patrols"

A totally different line is mouthed a couple of seconds earlier after leia says "we have no choice" and the audio line is never actually said it is inserted audio.

Does anyone know what the line is Rieekan was actually meant to say via an unedited script???

I guess this has been there since the original theatrical release.

*edit*

He does actually say launch patrols it's just totally out of sync

Rough mock up of what I am trying to say about command center.

1st original and then repeated rough audio edits.

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/demz3r3bu1kub17/Mock_up_Echo_Base.mp4

For the benefit of those who are distressed over this decision

The Command center in echo Base.

Things I have noticed.

There is no Background noise in alot of scenes to convey that it is a working hub of operations.

There are people who are pretending to talk on headsets.(for instance when Leia says to a Rebel dude) Send the evacuation code signal. This guy should have a line even if it is quiet and underlying.

There are open Channels comms i.e. Loud speaker communication with the HUB before the battle but not during the battle.

I don't know if it's possible to somehow do something with the command center scenes during the battle to make them feel a bit more connected with what is going on because the scenes have to also focus on their own agenda. But it could be made a lot more realistic as the scenes come across as really fake compared to today's film making techniques. And the command center does not suffer before the battle they are actually fine.

Quiet Background noise like in the link below would go a long way in some of the scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNhxg4dOlig

or control tower style noise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnIIkL4AJNc

I think when we also get to "This one goes there that one goes there" in the Hanger could also do with more Background noise too of all the troops running around nobody is saying a word in the background.

It's more about conveying urgency and more panic I think but subtle.

We don't want bugs we want dots :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ym1tnsK3g

If indeed Lando is on the hit list... Then I remember discussing this in another thread.... It has further reaching implications that go beyond Lando.

That Falcon could become a phoenix. (symbolism)

And that also cements Leia and Hans relationship.

Han would have to ask about Lando.. with the revelation that he lost his second mistress in the process. Would be tricky to pull off.

Who would shake their head in response to the line "Lando?"from Han probably would have to be wedge.

I actually decided against this though and wen't with a shot of jejerrod shi**ing his pants and yehaaaa!

Someone else could also die in ROTJ even if only temporarily.

On another note.

The only good bug is a dead bug

Are you going to or not? if so let's start talking about it....

What do you think... Obviously on the same page about being so cliched but what about plot and such?

What can you see or want to achieve?

I honestly did enjoy it but there is room for improvement and possibilities easily visible before deep analysis.

I have to say I really like that idea..... Although it is a small touch... It adds a massive amount of realism.

Insects drawn to a light source on dagobah were definitely absent on set because of course it's not real but something like that improves believeability 10 fold.

Although you modified macs original suggestion i'll just say well done to the pair of you and i think it's a good idea.

I hope Ady stamps this approved because it is a nice unintrusive touch.

He confirmed that shot alanfae previously...

But i wonder is that a case of replacing the head and keeping the body or an altogether new shot for that one?

Because that shot of ol sad eyes is the full body suit

Defo agreed the puppet is by far the best one hands down.

Although you say flat head the fur is also matted almost like dreadlocks around his mouth where he has been dribbling most likely I think the fur also plays a big part in the look of it

and the moustache shape is absent

the eyes are also like big black pits which is more scary i think

I think he said hand puppet mac but don't quote me on that.

Thanks fpr the feedback yeah I messed up the line veers says after the conversation. via hologram "start your landing when ready" It was not my suggestion though but I thought It was a good idea perhaps.

As doubleofive said it's so easy to lose things on here amongst posts so that list is going back about 7 months or something

anyway I realised I got the wrong line because I just watched the battle of Hoth to observe the command center scenes.

In ESB the command center differs from ANH in that there is no comms chatter from the pilots audible from the room where as all can hear in the battle of Yavin.

I think monroville brought this up so I think it's perhaps worth taking note of but I am not sure if he meant this or within cockpit comms chatter???

Anyway like it or not they are only suggestions and I thought it was good to compile what I could remember being discussed.

I was listening to the radio drama which you can hear on this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UPmUGkjpzI

This scene in the drama does not feature in the film of "Renegade Squadron" protecting Rebel transports.

But I really like the name "Renegade squadron" and the tags say "Renegade one"

So I had an idea to label the escaping transport and fighters as "Renegade one" before the lady in the command center says "stand by ion control" label the escape attempt via comms back to the command center something like

"Renegade one on approach"

"stand By ion control"

It's a reference to something that never was but I like the sound of "Renegade one" and seems to sum up the escape plan in a cool way using a calsign which was intended at some point in a script but here done via crackling radio sound back to the command center.

But I don't have any strong feelings about this idea only that I think it could perhaps sound good and reference cut material in the process.

ray_afraid said:

Ronster said:

If I was served up a ANH:R HD version I really would not want to see anything changed to much from what it already was...

Reinstating Tarkin just before the DS explosion and 3PO's reaction to his buddy R2 getting blasted are a must for me. I love ANH:R, but those missing/<span>repurposed </span>moments were a bit of a gut punch to me.

I was waiting for this :)

So I put together a sound effects suggestions list of which some are my own and some suggestions other people made. And it has nothing to do with officially listed differences between the special edition and the theatrical cut which you can find here but this is probably inaccurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases

1. Make it so storm troopers are no longer mute. There is only one line of Storm trooper dialogue in ESB give them there cool sounding voices back and make it more like ANH and ROTJ

2. When Vader and Veers have a hologram conversation. Add the sound of the Hologram shutting off sound after the conversation ends before "prepare to target the main generator".

3. Add a few Blast hit sounds while Han and Chewie try to fix the hyperdrive during the asteroid chase It would also clarify the difference in sound when they get hit by an Asteroid and when Han says "That was'nt a Laser blast" while keeping continuity that they are still being chased

4. Enhance Dagobah's ambient forest / swamp sound effects there is quite a few quiet moments where it could sound more "Alive" yet only subtle non intrusive and not interfering with dialogue additions.

5. Vaders Light sabre striking the floor when he swings and misses Luke in carbon freezing chamber

6. Special Edition Slave 1 Engine sound effect rather than Theatrical (not on list)

7. In cloud city when Lobot walks up the stairs past Lando and co his head band flashes but there is no activate sound. Before the trap is sprung this sound could be heard again when chewie looks over his shoulder to convey lobot double backed to spring the trap.

8.Add distant sound of tie fighters while luke is hanging under cloud city but not on any scenes with dialogue only when he is looking around.

9. The device leia is trying to turn and lock into place before Han snogs her seems to have the catch the other side of the set wall while the boom mic was in the area with the actors. The noise of the equipment sounds hollow when trying to be locked in suggest to make a more fuller sounding metal hit sound on the attempts to lock it in. And a click when it does lock in to place and Leia hurts her finger.

10. Remove Wampa groan sounds so that Luke wakes up naturally upside down. Sasquatch and yeti are always shown to be quiet creatures and the Wampa is based off of these mysterious probably hoax animals yet the characteristics match when he attacks Luke on the taun taun but once we are in the cave the Wampa cannot stop constantly yelling and wailing for no apparent reason. They are meant to be stealthy in nature but I think the Wampa yelling in pain when hit by a light sabre is a worthy groan sound here and perhaps when he emerges but otherwise think he should be muted to improve the scene.

Not asking for any of these to be implemented but I think this is pretty much all the sound effects suggestions I can remember and think of and handy to perhaps compile. And a fairly reasonable list

Sorry Leadzero but this music is not a good choice.

But I can see what you are saying with your mock up.

You feel the father revelation should be acented with a sting. Which is not a terrible idea but the choice of music did your idea little in the way of favours.

Anyway there really does not need to be a sting as it will break the intensity of the sequence.

Asteroid Man... Model work is being done.

Audio has not been started proper

As promised although a day late... Or perhaps about a year and a half late or something like that.

This is what I was planning for the race to the port... I wanted to show Rebels Biting the dust / The Deathstar being a battlestation again / make more of the chase and attack run / have the falcon shooting ties with it's turrets as it was being chased / and generally making more of the deathstar making it a comparable mammoth obstacle to overcome like in the original star wars film a new hope.

Steaming Link Below

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/w6tonhc8s18e4rp/Race_to_the_port.mp4

And please bear in mind this was done with with 2, 1 month long after effects trial with little knowledge of the software and whatever footage assets I could get my hands on to rough mock-up what I was trying to achieve with limited resources. No sound it's just video.

I also intended to add deleted scene pilots and tie fighter pilots to this also and comms chatter too, but this was the footage I had left over in rough.

I would honestly like to have had a go at an edit ROTJ proper but I don't think I have the art skills enough to do visual editing but I enjoy making the ideas and rough mock ups.

Anyway best of luck with it all.

Interesting development.

I think it would be great if this could get off the ground ASAP a lot can change in a couple of years.

Although I want to be excited at the prospect It really needs to be right now and I mean start it now please... Lol

Well done for dusting this one off anyway.

And well good memories of all the ideas that went into the melting pot in this thread.

I have some unfinished footage and I will post it here today as I have a day off. For what I was planning on the race to the port across the death star surface.It is re-used footage and really rough but I will post it up for prosperity.

It's about time it saw the light of day.

[quote=.Mac.]

Ronster said:

on the flip side of this I really like the probe droid score you re-instated with the video you did..

adywan said:
The music in ESB is perfect. It's probably the best soundtrack of ALL the films. There is no logical reason to change any of the music in ESB,

Leadzero please can you make a rough mock up of your idea.

I am openminded....Although i don't think there is anything wrong with the scene so far as music goes.... I would like to see or hear it.

Perhaps your right i have no idea how to make a resin cast and that probably would leave a residue but i assume it could be cleaned off and remove residue entirely?

It is the best i can come up with.... I honestly know nothing about official star wars prop services but they got that from somewhere so perhaps they can put ady in touch with their supplier?

The other thing to perhaps make note of is even though they list it as having one in stock there's nothing to say that they sub hire it in from somewhere else. But if they do own their own one then atleast we know where to find an alternative.

Thanks for the info on how the work is carried out.

Don't know what to suggest so far as the Han in carbonite hands...

Theres a shop not to far from me called Jedi robe

http://www.jedi-robe.com/star_wars_shop_london_uk.html

Don't know it may be worth a try... They may have contacts or prop hire infomation and this may lead you to the Hamd casts you need to get done.

It's a reputable business so they should help or perhaps point you in the right direction if they know where to find a Han in Carbonite full size replica prop.

I found one for hire on this site if it helps

http://www.theme-studio.co.uk/han-solo-carbonite.html

I have a question about the edit...

How do you actually process the film as an edit?

Do you do it on a chapter by chapter basis and string ot all togeyher or smaller sections than this?

I am curious because of the 2 part process of color correction and the visually editing upon the color corrected new source.... Obviously you also don't want to lose quality either by rendering and re-rendering.to add more or make a chsnge.

With the audio being the last pass is this done with all footage strung together or before final assembly of all footage?

I have no doubts about ady can bring fourth a much better Ot overall this is not a concern that i honestly do not have.

But when it comes to the prequals i start to feel anxiety towards what i know is capable and the source material that there is to work with.

Trying to make 3 pretty horrendous prequals good or even amazing feels like a very tall order.... But i can see the potential is there only when making it a cartoon.

If the footage were made to be cartoon then the possibilities really would be limitless without taking anything away from what is kept.

At the moment this is the only way i can see a prequal trilogy being good.... Of all the edits and snippets i have seen of preaual trilogy edits.... It comes nowhere close to what it should have been.

Although some may feel a cartoon prequal would be a relegation i really can not see any other course of action that could possibly allow for extreme changes like in the form of remenants of the source material that will allow for these movies to be overwritten and if you like forgotten.

But if you like the prequals sorry but there really needs to be some huge radically different way of dealing with this that allows for big creative ideas to massively change bothh story and characters and their acting.

Forget about models of ships or lasers the repair needed is so much more complex

Theres no need to get in a flap about it ;)