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#787075
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Movies that were updated, then the original was "lost"(other than Star Wars)
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The theatrical cut of Enter the dragon was on VHS (Pan & Scan) and Laserdisc.

The only version available now is the Special uncut edition. Which has alterations and cuts especially to sound and music from the mono mix.

Not sure about Last of the Mohicans on TV . There a quite a few versions I think the theatrical / Directors cut / the definitive directors cut. Biggest change is music at the end for the directors cut which was reverted back for definitive cut to be the same as the theatrical. But quite a few scenes are chopped and changed between versions. Great film!!!

You won't see the original TV cut of first Blood anymore either it was once again Pan & Scan.

Alexander revisited is now OOP as is the theatrical cut

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#787072
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Movies that were updated, then the original was "lost"(other than Star Wars)
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The Last of the Mohicans (Michael Mann)- Is in an ultimate cut. The theatrical release is no longer available and OOP which has extra and alternative scenes.

Alexander (Oliver Stone) - Is in an ultimate cut. The Alexander Revisited version is no longer available which had extra footage. The theatrical cut also makes use of extra footage. Not that good a film though started watching it and pushed stop on the theatrical cut.

The New World (Terrence Mallick) - I believe is now only in it's extended cut of which I am yet to see but I have the theatrical version on DVD. The EXtended cut is now on Blu-ray without theatrical version I believe.

Although Highlander (Russell Mulachy) was not updated all the remaining footage of extra scenes were destroyed in a fire at where the Reels were stored. The Full Soundtrack to the film has never been Properly released only in a low quality bootleg. Destroyed footage


A duel sequence that introduced an Asian immortal named Yung Dol Kim was cut from the film. The footage for the scene, along with certain other deleted scenes, was later destroyed by fire, although a few stills from the sequence, some in colour and others in black and white, survived.
Connor, Kastagir and Bedsoe partying at a bar. The scene expanded more on Kastagir and Connor's relationship and revealed that they met during the American Revolutionary War.
One scene in which Connor shows Brenda his katana after the sex scene.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091203/alternateversions

The Keep (Michael Mann) Film Disowned and butchered theatrical cut of original vision. The extra scenes are not lost though apparently but locked away in a Paramount Vault

47 Ronin (Carl Rinsch) - Film radically altered in post production, original film has never been released publically before studio intervention. And director compromised vision.

Barveheart (Mel Gibson) - original VHS cut scenes lost, DVD version in the UK was censored of throat slit scene of the new Mrs Wallace's captor. Now restored in Blu Ray version but many other violent scenes have been censored that have never been shown.

(Rambo) First Blood (Ted Kotcheff) - US TV version had many extra scenes and dialogue. Never been released as deleted scenes on any release Various Censored versions in other countries from international edit.

The Shining (Stanley Kubrick) The film was recalled whilst in theaters and the ending was removed to make a new ending by Stanley Kubrick's request then all the footage was destroyed except save one reel apparently the estate may be in possession of it.

Enter the Dragon (Robert Clouse) - Theatrical cut only available on Laser disc. All versions are the Uncut version which has music and sound missing. And a missing scene. No deleted footage for this film has ever been made available although some did to feature in other films after Bruce Lee's death.

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#786986
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Suggestions for the New Forum
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Although I should get a git-hub account....

I think we really need *Spoiler Tags*

and not for my benefit really but people write scripts here for video, so It would perhaps be beneficial for them to have a *Code* insert / text box

and users being able to like posts without having to post "I like that" and it could be re-called from a list of posts that a user liked. I suppose it's similar to bookmark but It would display that a user liked a post to the person who posted.

Ah Frink your way ahead of me!!!

Can we get a general discussion about other films sub-forum?

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#786572
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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100% agreed.

but there is a margin... If you are removing music and placing "Other music" in it's place you give yourself a bit of leeway to leave some of what you want to perhaps remove, stay in, if it's covered by the new music.

It's not perfect but sometimes you can get away with it.

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#786570
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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It's not an authoritarian statement, it is a fact.

If the frequencies clash in a mix between sounds that you want to separate then you cannot separate them.

If the sound you want to separate is far away from the sound you want to keep then it's not a problem.

The example you posted although you can remove the high pitched tones of the siren it is no more different than I explained to you previously.

This is an example of yeah it's easily possible.

Give the sound clip you are trying to remove the music from to this guy and see how amazing he still thinks it is.

I've been doing sound most of my life, I know what I am talking about.

When you get a "Clash" of frequencies you cannot separate them unless you have the raw audio elements and remix them.

Even though I got the emperor to say "Luke" better I was still bound by the the beginning of the "Lu" in Jaitas sample with the music that was present. None of the rest had anything to do with anything Jaita did.

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#786568
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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brash_stryker said:

I've been playing around with isolating dialogue from music using the spectral repair setting in Izotope RX 4, but it's really difficult. Seems to be trial and error for me because the visual representation of the waveform doesn't give you a clear distinction between sounds.

 There is no distinction between sounds in a mix

I also got  temp banned from Vimeo, was it cause I used Disney image for palpatine toy?

I can still log in with another browser though and not my normal Browser.

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#786566
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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TV's Frink said:

Here's something really tedious, but provided some impressive results IIRC.

Http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Isolating-Music-and-Voices-in-Star-Wars/post/668489/#TopicPost668489

 The only way you will ever get any decent results if you do everything manually by Hand.

I use Audacity because it's similar to Cubase which I started using when I was about 15 years old.

The best way to achieve any isolation with voices is to delete everything outside of the voice... That being music and sound effects wise on center channel. i.e strip it clean apart from the where the voice appears in the timeline.

Then with the vocal clips you have left with the music underlying you have to make a judgement call on equalizing out what you can from the sound. Dropping out everything outside of the vocal range is a first step.

Then the judgement call on how much you could or should slice in to what is left to remove anything else if the music / sound effects clashes in frequency.

If you have a trumpet horn say while someone is saying something it's basically game over you will never remove that and keep the voice because they are sharing the same space.

So then you need to either find an impersonator or a clean Audio sample which you probably wont get the luxury of.

To identify what you can remove boost the frequencies up. If it does not effect the vocal then you can drop it out totally.

Sometimes giving something a small dip will give you the leverage to cover it.

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#786553
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Star Wars: Rogue One - * Non Spoiler Discussion Thread *
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The difficulty with getting a stand in for Peter Cushing would be the cheek bones.

Perhaps a couple of green screen Cheek Pads down to the chin would do it.

I think once you have the cheek bones and narrow gaunt chin you have Tarkin / Peter Cushing obviously with the hair do also. Crooked nose prosthetic and so on.

This model re-creation is also pretty real looking...

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/05/you-will-not-believe-these-star-wars-pictures-are-real/

So even if they did do a cgi re-creation they could scan that as a reference so It could possibly be up there with the likes of the schwarzenegger T-800 (terminator 1 model) which was done from scanning a cast that they used to make his fake head where he gouges his eye out.

Personally all CGI is no good though it should be a mix of both real and CGI if they go for a re-creation. especially the eyes are lifeless, so it works for Terminator but not if someone has lines to deliver.

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#786549
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Ah I had not seen the toy so I had no idea about it.

But what you said makes sense that the toy is nothing to do with the film as per the Logo or Branding.

Nicely cleared up.

But it still does not mean that there won't be a depiction of when the Light Saber was found... I mean that Light Saber is basically in 5 of the films at the moment and soon to be in 6 bar TPM episode 1.  Or at least I think that is right.

Whoops forgot it is not in ROTJ so it's in 4 films soon to be in 5 of the films.

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#786542
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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unamochilla2 said:

emanswfan said:

ATMachine said:

What, the old story about somebody having Found Luke's lightsaber in the depths of Cloud City?

 No, the idea that there would be some sort of flashback sequence in TFA, which has been around for quite a while.

People were speculating it would involve a scene with an OT Leia since Fisher's daughter will appear in the film.  However, I'm guessing it'll be a bit part.

 They confirmed in a recent article that the Laser Sword is found in cloud city and was Anakin's / Luke's Light saber.

But there is no confirmation of any flash back sequence... But the Toy  I suppose does suggest that cloud city will be visited in some way even if only very brief.

I am leaning toward it being found in depths of cloud city... Is that from the Thrawn trilogy?

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#786433
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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adywan said:

Just a small update.......

The hand for the Han in Carbonite sculpt has been cast. Just need to wait for the plaster to fully dry out and then i can finish off the sculpt.It should be dry by the weekend and i can start the casting process mid next week.

Foam and hollowfibre has been purchased, so i can start making the padded suit for the Wampa as soon as i have cleared a little work room once the HiC is out the way.

I have decided to start work on the audio mix while i have a little spare time waiting to finish the HiC. As everything that is left to do and added to the edit don't require added sound effects or changes in the timeline in length, the mix can be completed before the video side of things is complete. I've been working on it for the past few days and so far i have about 60% of the mix completed. Some sections where i have removed some of the Special Edition changes have to have the soundtrack built up from scratch , so not an easy task. If only the unaltered version of the films existed with a true 5.1 or 6.1 discreet mix, my life would be a lot simpler right now. lol

The basis for the sound mix is the 6.1 Blu-Ray mix.

I'm not too sure if i am remembering correctly, but did someone manage to do a soundbite with the Emperor saying "Luke Skywalker" ?

Also is there anyone able to remove some music or as much as possible while keeping the quality of the dialogue, from a couple of clips? I remember seeing someone's clips of the prequels with the music almost completely removed, but for the life of me i can't remember who did it

 I will have a go for you on trying to remove music from clips... if you want to keep the actual clips a secret then just PM me with a description of the scenes that you want the music gone and I will look at it.

I don't have the BLU-Ray mix but I have the 2004 DVD Special edition mix extracted and test this first to see if it's possible (it is something that can not be done in some instances).

I reckon I could get Palps to say Luke with a bit of jiggery pokery if needed that I am sure of.

Just use that sample from the ROTS musical journey thing that Jaita used and combine it with the "You" from "you want this don't you" theres 2 you's there to fill out the middle of that sample

I have some time off and would give me something to get on with so I am up for helping out on that.

Yeah I remember that thread about the prequels but it was not really all that good you could hear the frequencies dipping in and out making the sound muddy and then toppy

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I did the emperor dialogue audio saying "Luke" using Jaitas video and edited it and rebuilt Ian McDiarmaids voice with other sound bites. If I had had the clean sample I could have done a better job but It is passable. (pops and crackles carried over from Jaita's video)

EDIT: Redone it without pops and crackles and marginally better

http://vimeo.com/137358642

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#786300
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Star Wars: Rogue One - * Non Spoiler Discussion Thread *
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I believe you are right and strange decisions are made and these CGI recreations although they can be convincing.

The Schwarzenegger Terminator 1 CGI recreation is probably the best one I have seen but it works on a level because the character itself did not have to say anything so the face did not need animation.

Tron Legacy and young Jeff Bridges already showing signs of plastic face

It's the facial movements where it still falls over and expression.

Why can't they just find a look a like that can act a like and a sound a like to do an impersonation?

It's not that difficult so many people in this world who can look like other people with the right hair do and make up and so on.

Watching your clip Silverwook and Oliver Reed I thought was quite convincing in Gladiator and then I realised the shot that was CGI with the much whiter beard and the eyes were not right.

Brandon Lees the Crow although convincing the make up of the characters pasty white face and Black lips and eye make up really helped make that much easier to recreate in CGI

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#786297
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Star Wars V- XXTELECINE 7XX version 3.2
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Yep Lasers here look really good.... The only thing that is bringing it down is the bright pink flashes where the whole screen goes pink.

Have you thought about changing the hue color of the pink flashes to match the color of the lasers?

If the flashes were red like the lasers then they would not be so prominent as the red spectrum would be far more subtle and would blend with the change to the laser colors you did.

Just something that I honestly think would bring it up another notch and make it a bit more modern.

Good work!

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#785928
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Info Wanted: Question about 1980 uncut Empire
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Ion Canon Control Room Miniature Set.

Shown in Empire of Dreams Documentary

Comparison to McQuarrie Concept Art.

Does the Model Still exist?

I suppose this is really an early dropped idea but I am more curious about the model than the planned scene that was probably scrapped due to not being convincing enough.

Some more info on general Veers Death from star wars affectionado blog spot.

http://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/aficionado-exclusive-first-look.html

"Actor Julian Glover, who played Veers, told me that he never filmed a death scene for the character, so this live action sequence showing his demise, which is in the novelization, is something that I think was completed in insert photography at some point later in the filming, and presumably not with Glover (either at ILM or ELSTREE) with stand-ins and stuntmen for the final live-action insert, especially as we don’t see Glover’s face in the sequence: there’s no way a film director would have an actor film in front of such a large pyrotechnic, for both safety and insurance reasons…"

What is factual about this is that the actor who played general veers was not the actor in the scenes for his death. So far as pyrotechnics are concerned and exposing actors to them.... Nope if it's done safely there are literally little problems in exposing actors being present near pyrotechnics as long as safe distances are observed.

There is also the Red stripe on the AT-AT drivers Helmets so it is perhaps obvious to tell which shots were later pick up shots with a wardrobe malfunction and not the original actors. Filmed at a different time because they wanted to alter or add an idea or a few ideas.

So this points to general veers death being an insert done in Elstree as the cockpit set was no doubt there possibly after principle photography ended or atleast after Julian Glover had finished his scenes... But there is more to explore about this sequence at the end.

is that smoke billowing from the Hanger Entrance?

They then re-used this background plate to show the shield generator explosion!!! oh dear what a muddle this film is in.

So can it be inferred that the troops running back to echo base were nothing to do with the shield generator explosion at all?

And the shield generator suddenly appearing in a background that we saw only a few seconds earlier is more or less a bodge job because the sequence was originally intended to have general veers die and they needed to fill the extra seconds with something that they had to cook up at the last minute?

The sound mix is also extremely telling of it not being right in terms of the sound effects for the actual explosion and it's placement in the timeline. It was definitely not remixed to suit a changed scene order.

I have not read the novel of the Empire Strikes Back but to have a guess I imagined "Hobbie" flying through the explosion of the shield generator coming through the flames and using it as a cloak so as not to be seen until he was right upon general veers AT-AT?

But that is of course unless the intention was changed to the Snow speeder that gets destroyed by the AT-AT and crashes on the action plate pictured was an altered version of the suicide run?

So at some point a decision was made to include general Veers death and then a decision to alter it to something else for which they had neither the time or money to complete it properly.

EDIT:

I don't think that is smoke coming from the Hanger or that is the Hanger anymore although it would have been nice to see the troops make it back somewhat safe. So they  don't appear to be running anywhere specific just away.

The actual explosion of the Shield generator is not mentioned in the script in terms of it having a scene number or having a description of being seen from the AT-AT cockpit.

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I have been looking in to  the music that was meant to introduce the AT-AT's some more and what I can tell you is that there are 2 shots of when Luke is trying to escape from his Snow Speeder before it get's crushed by a big AT-AT foot.

The 2 shots (or atleast 2) that feature the AT-AT foot stomping down and other shot of the Legs with background plate were the original introduction to the AT-AT's that were meant to have the piano riff that came before the soldier looks out of his binoculars.

So in this case I will take off my hat and call it clever editing on this part but it is a very clear reason of why the music was removed also and it also calls in to question Luke trying to escape from his Crashed Snow Speeder is clearly another unfinished sequence, and it got chopped in half and spread due to a missing shot where Luke was meant to see the underbelly of the Walker tower over him. But as far as the script is concerned here this shot was actually a pretty unreasonable shot to achieve for the ILM crew in terms of achieving that shot which would have been all sorts of difficult and I put that down to a hurdle that could not be overcome by technical limitations and inconsiderate script. There is also alternative storyboards for this sequence and this does explain why the AT-AT does not fire it's weapons as the shots were intended for the introduction before the battle had begun.

The internal cockpit shot of the AT-AT approaching before Luke opens the Hatch  could also probably not be completed due to not being able to match the snow on the window from the live action in Norway another difficult demand from script to screen.

So In terms of answering The North Ridge music I think I have a pretty full answer here now but because it is intrinsically linked with Luke escaping from his crashed Snow Speeder it is yet another mystery that is raised by solving another.

It explains why the AT-AT never feels like it gets any closer because the shots were never meant for this part of the film where Luke tries to escape the crash.

EDIT:

No No No, I made a mistake here the shots were not moved.. Urrgh this is really tricky to work stuff out so apologies.

The introduction to the AT-AT  simply had a shot of a foot very similar to the one we see while Luke is trying to escape is crashed Snow Speeder but it also lifts out of frame that goes with the Piano riff... The Shots of the feet when Luke has crashed were additions not mentioned in the script so my Bad but I will leave my mistake on this visible because I really don't want to appear like I am being big headed or anything like that. I just seriously want to work out the processes and changes that were made either for better or for worse and try to understand it better.

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#785091
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Info Wanted: Question about 1980 uncut Empire
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I am not really that bothered by something being cut out, but i am trying to figure out the music and what footage it goes with.

It is a tall story and i am iclined to even call BS, but 3 people have stated exactly the same thing they remember on 3 specific scenes.

I know that the probe droids scenes were present as far as december 1979 when john williams scored the music but perhaps a decision was made to remove them by february 1980 that goes for general veers death too.

The film was released in may 1980 so that is only 4 months before release they were totally re-shaping the first act with very little time to go and still shots that were planned that was not done yet and shots that i suppose ended up on the scrap heap and also meant the music got cut.

So i am just looking for answers....

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#784942
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Info Wanted: Question about 1980 uncut Empire
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Basically just wanted to chime back in on this and after reading the fifth draft script... The Accounts the people have given on an alternative cut have to be wrong.

The Bacta Tank although we know there are extra shots for it, it could never have been "Blood Red" and there is no becoming red or clearing from red to blue mentioned in this script and it was just lit incorrectly although perhaps the flash and Luke thrasing about was considered a bit "Disturbing"

General veers Death I agree was edited out early on as there is no music to support his presence

And we know Han tortured was cut but It was never in any cuts that featured as It was censored from the very first edit no doubt.

this draft features the cut probe droid scenes and I do believe the probe droid scenes exist as there is music for these scenes, but If someone was giving an account of an uncut version the probe droid would feature heavily in their account.

To elaborate further on the music score for the film special effects shots that are missing seem to be in these particular areas.

PROBE DROID ARRIVAL- recut scene order and scored music for it's scene order and Han arrival at echo base

WAMPA CAVE - Slicing creatures arm off music and scenes not quoted but there is something not right.

Snowspeeder search - Music changed possibly due to probe droid cut scene

BACTA TANK - scenes missing music cue removed

AT-AT (North Ridge) Introductionary shots of AT-AT's removed and scene missing of snow speeders

ECHO BASE ESCAPE - Scene missing here music removed

Asteroid chase - Build up music removed script states the asteroid shown on "we're going in closer to one of the big ones" is not the big one and is swerved past and avoided. Missing shot

Arrival at Bespin - Missing establishing shot of the falcon arriving but this scene was never made and the film cut did not feature a animatic or the time to make  this missing scene. NO music made for this shot.

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The most interesting find that I found from this particular draft was to do with after the rebel briefing that Leia gives. scene 61

Han is working on the Millenium falcon and a piece falls and Leia stops and says "What a screw up!" aimed at Han with a dirty look which if that was ever filmed I would love to see that scene.

Other than this I noticed a particular missing detail in scene 212.

212 EXT MILLENNIUM FALCON - TIE FIGHTER - STAR DESTROYER

full shot space with the white planet Hoth in the lower part of the frame  The Millennium Falcon speeds away from the planet and over camera, closely followed by one huge star destroyer and six (changed to 4) tiny tie fighters which also race past camera. The slow moving Star destroyer fills the frame as it plows ever forward.

So the planet Hoth could be missing from this shot... Not a particularly big deal.

Aside from that there really is not much more to say about this script other than yes it is different but not excessively.

And to say again that the End of the film is where the most clustered differences are to the final film which would be covered in the final 5R shooting script if we could get our hands on the last revised shooting script.

This script is approximately two thirds accurate as it follows the deleted scenes dialogue practically 100%.

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I am on the fence about general Veers Death...

It might have gone like this in the video mock up and it might be the case that the music has been there all along to support the scene but he was whipped out last minute or with prior thought or because it was awaiting special effects or decided censorship.

http://vimeo.com/136316935

With a small amount of re-ordering and trimming everything fits exactly I did not have to alter very much at all. It's also a lot of death in a very short space of time.

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#784937
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Star Wars Celebration Europe London July 15th-17th 2016
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I work in that place an awful lot but I doubt I will be working there for this, as It clashes with something else I will probably be working on which is actually a very massive event not that it won't be massive too.

Hoping I can make the Saturday though...

Thanks for the heads up on this.

Christopher Nolan also filmed the Bat mobile in the Halls there on the North Side.

http://youtu.be/F0YYVjQc6wI?t=71
you see in this video if you have not been there, thats a nice virtual tour of the empty hall before they fill it with goodness.
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#784751
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Info Wanted: Question about 1980 uncut Empire
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Yeah I am aware to take the account given with a pinch of salt.... But It is an interesting tale and if it were true which it seems people here are not in the camp of believing this mistake could have occurred of sending out an alternative cut by mistake or an undesired cut to be shown (which actually happened anyway) regarding the extra shots of the falcons dish under Luke before he drops and the Fleet shot at the end and various audio differences that were altered.

The thing I am most interested about in this account given are of the following.

The Bacta Tank claiming it to be "RED" and it being misinterpreted as Lukes Blood.

General Veers Death and the suicide of Hobby and that Veers is confirmed to not destroy the generators.

The Torture of Han Solo and that the effect was removed of hitting his "chest" now I have imagined some form of electric coming off that torture chair thing and I wonder what it looked like before it was toned down as it was deemed to be too graphic and some of the screaming was removed.

That is what all these scenes have in common also, they are deemed for one reason or another even if misinterpreted in the case of the BACTA tank to be quite graphic and mostly they all contain violence of one form or another.

The Shining was also released in 1980 and the true ending was removed after 2 weeks at Stanly Kubrick's request

And the story here about Aliens also checks out that some VHS copies contained the Turret scene while others did not. Not sure about in cinema theaters though.

So stuff like this did happen in those days, mistakes were fairly common or different cuts made their way out by mistake.

EDIT:

I found the script 5th draft here which does indeed seem to have been used for the most of the film and follows fairly closely with some alterations particularly towards the end of the film we start to find more differences

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/splaylib/Screenplay-Empire_Strikes_Back.pdf

And the script that was labelled 5R was constantly altered throughout filming

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#784692
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Info Wanted: Question about 1980 uncut Empire
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Sometimes you have to just have some trust in what people say.

Especially if there is no real motivation to it apart from to want to see it again and especially as this was said before we have seen the deleted material that has surfaced and been made public in 2011 and this was said in 2008 and recounted by 3 separate individuals.

I certainly never saw this version but It adds up, and I think for what information it does give up it is worth taking note and not disregarding it entirely.

Keep some of what has been said here in the back of your mind don't treat it as gospel but as an account of something that could be both remembered correctly and remembered incorrectly. But it is a very insightful account and could very well have been the proposed "LUCUS" cut not the initial Kershner workprint.

Also the note about the actual torture of Han Solo and the nodes hitting his chest. Kershner confirmed that this was removed but I guess he admited that on the 2004 edition but not as descriptive as this account tells us.