Ronster

That guy with no name said:

adywan said:

That guy with no name said:

DevEd V.1

DevEd V.2

Flipping the Death Star causes problems with the lighting now coming from the wrong direction when compared to the stardestroyer.

I flipped it because I replaced the earlier shot of the destroyer with the one from ESB;

so I wanted them to match.

Any ideas on how to fix this?

Flip the star destroyer instead?

slow the rotation of the death star so you dont have issue… or

replace the death star

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3y3458kP3w

Are you sure the planet matte element was not recomposited also?

In the Original the Blue Haze faded into the star field…There were scratches on it

Now it has a hard blue line and a lot of saturation and gain was added to the planet and no scratches anymore

97 version retained the original look no scratches

after that it went the hard edge blue line and boosted up.

kg1977 said:

Ronster said:
I redid the Techdome Edit to improve it and added the Blue Milk Scene.

Nice! if you want 1920 wide blue milk with no dust here is a link (no audio).

the google preview stinks so download to see full qual.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o2fmTaQL1RFOqgSPhoSJQkSXiTqc1oQR/view?usp=sharing

I spent 3 hours on this scene removing as many imperfections although you probably would not think that. The color grade is higher SAT to match adywan. Comparison below (yea the overlay ANH-X text is only on the comparison I do.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1onQ1ekaoUMFnVTxgiGQZyxStypkxhUdx/view

but obviously adjust to your taste if inserting. Mine is 23.97 as well. Enjoy

I like your background sounds in blue milk with the generators/kitchen equipment sound. My blue milk is going somewhere else (before breakfast) as there is radio drama additional meal scene and dialogue and using blue milk to set that scene up. but your edit works here perfectly and where it was meant to go I’m sure.

Your Tech dome looks great. I have more radio drama audio with 3PO and Mark Hamill which gives that scene a few extra seconds and confirms that what luke sees with treadwell was indeed the same ship the droids came from, but what you have here cleans up the “official” cut of this. I thought I saw an extra shot of oil bath at one time (was that your first shot)? I would have to go see if that was it? just a small extra angle if I remember. Only other suggestion is to remove the audio where 3PO sais he is not sure he has been in many battles as clearly time has passed since EP III memory wipe and now, although that is subjective and very small detail. I think there was a Youtube cut that someone tried that idea out.

anyway nice work.

I am trying to finish the colorizations of the ESB "Friends watch Luke’s bacta bath scene atm, but will go check out and do the tweaks on Tosche later mid-week.

I totally understand when you say this took 3 hours. That Techdome edit has been on and off for 6 months and it all started with just wanting to hear water dripping off C3P0 like the onset audio scene in a documentary when he came out the oil bath. Then it grew to adding sound for the elevator on the oil bath then it became adding sound for Luke using his tools which I got from the treadwell scenes as at the time I figured it was not needed. Then I noticed the footage and the audio never matched, then I started noticing shot’s were in the wrong order for the hologram then finally I decided to fix the editing up for R2-F2 so it’s not so jarring I found the audio sample in the documentary to fix the projector coming on scene and then I thought seeing as I spent so long on it I may aswell sling blue milk in at the end. But what started out as simply wanting to hear water drip off 3P0 took on a life of it’s own. Thanks for the kind feedback on this it’s been a a long journey for that scene and I will now make one more go because you provided the scene but I want to improve the closeups of Leia shots too. The color is wrong here too bright in the mid’s. I will now endeavor to make just a bit better.

If they are indeed 720p they could just be recorded of the screen Using NDI in OBS studio no need to rip with copyright providing you can play them full screen.

You know what I never checked I assumed blue milk was 23.98fps. I can convert it and re-up if it is a mis match i will check it later on.

Main source was despecilized I did a bit on color but very little really I tried to rid some shadow hues in the shadows on the Leia hologram shots only tbh. Despecized leaves out quite a bit shadow color push in quite a few parts of the film i found.

Once we get to the dinner table despecialized get’s the dirty reds on. But the garage was exceptionally good work apart from the hologram shadow hues on the background.

Edit:it says it is 23.976 fps should be ok?

If you are referring to the scratches type stuff I don’t have the software to sort that out unfortunately… If kg1977 gives me his restored version then I can insert that without the bumpy scratch thing going on but he has ANH-X logo on it.

When Jejerrod is being force choked his voice lines are out of synch with the video.

Perhaps a better voice clip for Vader

https://youtu.be/PrrI9o6CU30?t=54

to get the metallic phasing effect put the audio in twice first one where you cue it and around 8ms after for the repeated second sample.

Is’nt the start of this scene here? and the end of the scene too?

https://youtu.be/hAjLosf3BjE?t=56

Oh it will be about £40 I suppose it will be a forbidden planet item you can always pick them up cheaper a while after release If you don’t want to pay full whack or 2nd hand.

Hal 9000 said:

• The first shot of the Battle of Yavin has been trash since 1997. Impressive CG at the time or not, I find it ugly. But I feel starting the battle with the OOT version doesn’t feel right because we see CG fighters frequently throughout. Not to mention seeing a straight line of sight between the moon of Yavin IV and the Death Star. I know Adywan is tackling this part of it, but I’d love a replacement for the whole shot. Pie in the sky, most likely.
• The added CG rats (or scurriers) to the first shot of approaching Mos Eisley feel like intrusive CGI. It’d be cool to see them removed, but it sounded like it may be trickier than it sounds.
• The shot with the two mirrored sets of troopers, it’d be nice to remove one set of those troopers. (And bonus points for removing the unconvincing CG droid also.)

Stay tuned!

I also had the same thoughts as you about this opening shot and although I have not tried it out yet… For the very start I was planning to show the deleted gonk droid Death star hall way but only use the frames of people running in the death star with an Alarm removing the Frames with the blue planet. Then cut to the x-wing Special edition as the x-wing passes camera. After Red 5 Standing By change R2-D2 to cockpit shot from ESB as the S-foils are already open then cut to theatrical version of x-wings and y-wings but change the planet Matte so it comes before gold leader says put s foils in attack position. on the Special edition shot of the x-wings opening the s-foils It would be good to put the Death star back in it’s theatrical location so it matches up with the next shot of them flying in.

Fixing the Mos Eislry Entrance

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/479629408

1. I took a still of Luke with the magenta face and put it in “gimp” and put green in the shadows and it fixed the weird magenta you are getting so that should work.
2. Long shot yeah as I said look at “Star Wars begins” for that shot it looks like the whole shot was over dark I think the sky perhaps needs more gain or brightness and less saturation. Alternatively upscale that shot as it’s not blocky like the rest or color match.
   3.It’s ok to have a washed out sky if that is the lighting conditions - dusty desert. Yeah it’s only at the start I can see the edge softness issue once he jumps off the landspeeder it’s gone.
   4.Yeah it’s either blue contrast on that stairs element or it needs red push. The box the other side of the door also looks too sharp consider darkening that element a bit so it sits or blends better. This looks better than the star wars begins version just need to get the blend on.

To be honest it’s all small tweaks but you are very close to having that look very good.

I redid the Techdome Edit to improve it and added the Blue Milk Scene. Sww the link below

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/654620410

There was some audio I discovered was the wrong way around when Luke Uses the Wrench

The important bit of audio was found in the documentary Star Wars the Magic and the Mystery where there is an isolated soundmix without Leia’s “Help me Obiwan-Kenobi” lines and with R2-D2 whirring and projector coming on. I think that tells us that we did not get perhaps all the changes that were planned perhaps as this fixes the fact the recording is not saying the lines at the time it is played by R2. A few scenes are shifted about.

I also employed the Tuskan Raider Rocking Backwards and Forwards trick on R2-D2 to help smooth out the continuity of the end conversation as it was a bit Jarring.

Then I added sound mix for Blue Milk to the end. Hope you like this final iteration.

I have looked at your stills comparison that you posted and I am liking the changes that I can see so far.

Did you notice on the escape pod launch shot around the engines for about the first 10 frames there are black matte shapes for the engines igniting that were never comped in?

Then also if you look at the exterior of the ring which is pitch black again is a missing matte, one would imagine that this would have been or should have been some sort of tube or interior.

Lastly I think the round window in the escape pod is not a window, but a video screen. If it were a screen then it would make sense that they are looking back at the ship rather than if it was a window then you would see the planet. So I think it would be good to see that look subtly like a video screen perhaps some scan lines and a small graphic?

Also the shot of the star destroyer leaving Tattooine looks very good but I was focusing on this shot the other day and why it looks so much better in the gout and horrible in new releases but gout has scratches on the planet element. The planet was obviously recomposited but it looks very garish you have done a good job on that shot but I am noticing you changed the planet matte no big deal to be honest. The thing that stands out most from the Gout version is that the planet matte is not so bright so the color is a bit deeper. I will leave that thought with you and darkening that planet element a bit might make it pop some more but it’s certainly much better than the BLuray that shot looks so horrible what they did there of the special edition.

Whilst I have not seen your version of the dark interior of the sandcrawler where R2-D2 and 3P0 reunite the best version in terms of color I have seen for this is the Silverscreen edition version of that section. I have not seen 4K77 version but anyway I’d like to point it out that this part looks bad in all the Special edition version but in the silverscreen version it looks very good.

kg1977 said:

4. Tosche Station #1 - Luke enters Tosche- Complete-see compare video
5. Tosche Station #2 - Luke exits Tosche to see battle w/friends - 75% complete[SAMPLE IMAGE BELOW]

I think you did a good job on this but what I would add is that when you are pulling out details from the shadows which is good you need to color balance this by pushing green in the shadows as Luke is a lobster like shade of magents that will hinder the garishness you are getting.Also look at the edge softness as I see white line around Luke.

The sky looks too saturated and is causing a mismatch in lighting especially on the matte shot also I think those are rocks not bushes on the left so they should not be green Tosche station has pink hues in the highlights. I think this shot needs quite a bit of tweaking it looks very garish.

When Luke comes down the stairs into the door the steps look blue so they need a red push on that element probably it just needds some tweaking but the big scratch being gone is very good work…

The work on the interior is really good I can’t fault that.

Please don’t take this as critical in a bad way it just seems to me you a clawing after the detail which is good but if you rotoscope an object in you need to make it blend that bit better look towards your values and saturation of each element and contrast. If it looks garish like it does especially in that long shot that means it it’s either being pushed too bright or it needs color balancing to match.

Check out Star Wars begins by Jambee Davdar for this scene as It looks good and balanced if you could match that for the exterior shots in terms of value and color but it’s a bit blocky due to being sourced from CDrom.
https://vimeo.com/32442801

One final thought instead of the totally black doorway to the bar would it be possible to add some sort of wall interior detail that was barely visible but just gave the shot where he goes in the bar that bit more depth rather than pitch black? I did just have a quick look to see if I could find a still but that wall can have artistic licence as it is never seen.

perhaps the right hand side of this would do?

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/space-hangar-bay-wall-background-260nw-375402703.jpg

obviously just make it perhaps 30% transparent or something?

I think if I remember correctly the I-tunes version of the ebook was higher resolution…as opposed to the windows version.

Yeah that tune is Billy Preston - Outta Space (1971).

I thought about adding a POV through the binoculars I actually have a still for that which is different but thought seeing that was superfluous the effects are not needed we can just take the characters word for it I think.

Regarding zoom sound effect can remove but perhaps better to make quieter. Thanks for the feedback.

The music score that could not be isolated is from radio drama when Luke and Han part ways at Yavin base “may the force be with you.” Which also I tried adding the extra scenes here with Han and Chewie and although I really like them it’s just not needed. So I am thinking to not bother as as much as I like there scenes it is just dragging out the whole part so just the biggs bit reunion I am feeling.

I would like to see the result when you finally have this scene done. Starwars Begins documentary did a fairly good attempt at clean up but it was from behind the magic CD rom which is just bad quality video from the CD rom version not acceptable today really with HD.

Oh wow the actual game in tosche station made playable 😃 that is cool. There are sounds in the radio drama but wether it is possible to isolate I am not sure. It is not 100% needed but it would be good to try and give that small bit of ambient noise perhaps.

Yeah I’d love to see it in the cinema never got to do that yet!

I don’t particularly like Destroyer or Red Sonja but Barbarian just had the right amount of comedy and seriousness it was not silly or too camp like the others.

I hope they show us a proper version of the Waterwheel set where Conan and Subotai talk before deciding to head down to the tower of set on the raid. It’s strange that the audio conversation is there but the actual visuals and the set are not present. I’m not sure if this was another foreground minuture of Emilio Del Ruiz but most of his work was cut I think including King Azrics Castle and The full Tower of Set minuature too.

It’s like the whole Shadazir part is a mess in a way missing Conan Cutting off a guys arm who tries to steal his sword, the Procession with the Daughter of King Ozric on parade the Lizard on a stick the elephant taking a massive dump on the street and the whole your to big to be a thief is also a bit weird too along with the weird insert of the tower of Set over the black lotus opium den. It’s pretty clear that whole part was chopped about quite badly plus we miss Valeria introducing herself in name. I am sure there is a version that was not such a muddle at one point. Still love it but to see it restored would be glory.

Shadazir was also shown at a distance in a matte painting although we could see the actual person painting it onto glass in the wilderness of Spain that also never made the film either seems a shame we never saw those parts put back in or even in special features of a movie disc.

Yeah you have most of it in that compilation…But

as previously ststaed there is the computer screen shots of James Spader “Last known location - Egypt”

and there is another quite long shot of a death glider circling around the exterior of the pyramid ship as when I did that video I did not have season 3 or 2, I cannot remember. this clip is about 8 seconds.

The problem though with these clips from the movie that MGM spliced into the show SG-1 is that the PAL versions which I have those clips are hard coded interlaced where as the rest of the shots are progressive scan. So I don’t know if the SG1 series in the US was released in NTSC interlaced as then these could be de-interlaced to remove all the Blurred frames. That would be my shout on it, at least get the original series 1 in US NTSC DVD to see if the majority movie snatched shots can be de-interlaced… probably can pick it up fairly cheap? Thw new release with CGI updates removes a lot of the movie snatched shots from Children of the gods pilot.

The brief audio clips are from the Stargate CD rom however the mov files are old mov’s and VLC seems to no longer support the audio codec for it. It;s nothing particularly special it’s ambient announcements from an early version in the Military base and when they get to the pyramid there is some very brief radio chatter ambient noise. They might run in Media Player classic I’m not sure though. Also from the CD rom contains a nice font for the subtitles I am assuming that they are the original theatrical subtitles which you would get on a flim print.

It would be interesting to see if those fonts made it onto a TV version. would be a nice restoration to do rather than the bland dvd or bluray player generated fonts

When I was messing around with the film I had an idea to infuse a bit more Egytptian mummy horror to it and Russell Mulachy Tales of the mummy or Talos the mummy might be a good resource for that.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0127919/

There is an extended cut with extra scenes of Christopher Lee and basically the tents and the dig site look identical to the ones in Stargate there is also some interesting ancient Egypt flashbacks which also might help with that aspect if you feel like giving it a bit of Hammer Horror feel 😃 The film is quite crap but there are some quite good bits at the Dig site and the Egypt flash Backs. The main idea here was when Daniel Recounts the uprising against Ra instead of showing repeated shots from the end of the film you could show ancient Egypt instead. But this could also be used when Daniel is ressurected to show the Healing sarcophagus also infuses things from the past when brought back to life.

LILIAN02230 said:

papill6n88 said:

Woww, so hype about your fanedit!
Thank youuu in advance

p.s: did Ronster ever managed to release his fanedit?
And do you plan to include in your fanedit, most of his fixes/extended scenes?

I don’t know if Ronster has plan to release his fanedit soon.

I only use from his work some footage from a video compilation he made. I also use its whormhole travel through the stargate.

This edit is a new vision made to be a reimagined cut to go to Stargate SG1.

By all means go ahead and good luck 😃

I can send you a few things over of missing material audio snippets mainly it might help a bit?. Funnily enough I saw this promo trailer the other day…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFwu-C5UClk

Listen for RA’s growl at 01.24 plus some other audio effects might be in there.

There was another scene from SG1 they took from the film it Just has a computer screen with James Spader and says “last known location - Egypt”

Fullmetaled said:

I didn’t mention the cgi shots I was saying why can’t we get everything and kitchen sink of deleted scenes from the Lucasfilm archives of the six George lucas Star Wars films. I don’t get why are they hold the gems back from us. that Sith Lord scene is an example of something they held back from us. 😦

Oh yeah I totally agree. It would be great if they put out the ILM documentary series they did recently and bundled all the deleted scenes as a bonus. Theres a gun battle missing from Empire strikes back which nobody ever mentions it’s in the script too. Lando’s Guards with the funny noses vs stormtroopers. There is a lot of unseen stuff for Empire strikes back. Anyway I have 4 more scenes to go now for deleted scene soundmixes.

1.Luke opening binoculars

2.Luke treadwell Lars homestead sandcrawler arrives

These 2 I already have material prepared for them.

3. Han and chewie extended “what are you looking at?” Gag which is one of my favourites.

4.Death star destruction although I have sorted this the other day I want to move Vader saying “I have you now” to before the targeting computer locks on to the xwing not afterward. It makes little sense in the order it is in plus theres something else too I want to add.

Very close now to the finish line.

Fullmetaled said:

Ronster said:

Fullmetaled said:

I wish more or all surviving deleted scenes from the original trilogy would be officially released because we know they exist like in a new hope the Sith Lord mentioned. makes you wonder what other gems are locked away from us same with even the prequel trilogy. 😦

I came up with an idea to include those lines however the audio is so boomy but the audio in the state it was in kind of spurred the idea.

Basically If we showed Vader looking out the Bridge of the Star Destroyer like in Empire Strikes Back and as if Vader can sense what is being said about him… “I tell you he’s gone too far… This sith Lord will be undoing” while Vader looks out of the window in to space then when he goes on to talk about the station being tactically insignificant or whatever we would see the death star then we cut to the film footage of The star destroyer and then heading towards the death star with the music as is which would lead in to the conference room scene.

Although I think it “could” work this way it’s a real stretch. It’s a shame the audio quality is so bad and the video is unsuitable.

I think you missed my point we shouldn’t have just gotten that one scene and like that it should have been restored with a plethora of deleted scenes for all six of the films George worked on for the uhd release there was no reason not to include them. if the new ghostbusters could include the deleted scenes from 2 even though it was still missing some of the infamous ones. then the Star Wars set could have as well even if it was a blu ray extras disc there’s no excuse.

Well the main motivation for restoring the ghostbusters deleted scenes was to recreate Harold Ramis in CGI not because they wanted to create a new version although even Ivan Reichman was a bit torn over why he cut some stuff from the film after seeing them again. There was some really funny stuff in there.

The problem with the Special edition of Star Wars CGI fest say in the final battle of Yavin is that it replaces shots but then does not put original shots back in the location they were supposed to go. So although people hate on it I think they have a right to because it was a half arsed job. They did not have all of the shots exactly as planned. The Special edition fixes this creating shots but then does not put the discarded shots back in the correct place and some are discarded due to being poorly done…

The most interesting one is the Lightning and the x-wing pulling up. Biggs “Luke are you alright” Luke “I got a little cooked but I’m ok…” This shot that was excised I think shows the start of the chain reaction as Luke pulls up after bullseye on the exhaust port. This means I have to redo the Death Star Destruction Edit again but it will be that small bit better. So that shot that is in the original film is actually a deleted scene for another part entirely. That is why this process takes so long and as you may appreciate now a bit better it’s quite complex.

Also The Replacement shot only has the proper sound mix on the 97 Version all others are missing the sound of the X-wing pulling away. So it’s all a bit of a mess always has been always will be probably but there you have it A story about a single shot and how it has many things about it and quite far reaching things associated with it.

OK so here is Tosche Station Part 1

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/784954563

The music from Radio Drama could not be isolated so I went back to my originsl music score I had singled out for it. Pretty much there on this one… Should there be sound for the game in the background? Anyway hope you like the choice of music snd sound effects. This took quite a while to do.

https://forcesofgeek.com/2022/06/conan-the-barbarian-the-official-story-of-the-film-arrives-november-1st-to-celebrate-the-films-40th-anniversary.html?fbclid=IwAR2GfafdR9hgVbIDem-

This is good news I hope it get’s interviews from all the main people in the production.

I was also hoping for the many of the cut miniatures and matte paintings perhaps we might see their final versions rather than production stills, along with full breakdowns of the deleted scenes and alternate material.

Could be a fantastic book if done right. I was hoping for a new release of the film oh well here’s hoping for that too.

kg1977 said:

I believe Luke and treadwell were meant for the beginning as in the novel and radio drama it is clear he is on the farm with them and sees the battle. I think its kind of where people expect it, but your take is artistic choice so I would say it’s what feels right to you. If you add there I would show additional shot of the homestead burning with a composited treadwell of center and some story troopers from some footage then treadwell getting shot so there is more context to where he is and what you are seein (that it is taking place miles away)

Yeah I am splitting it into 3 parts

1. very start Video is up there in the thread a rough timing.

2. When Sandcrawler Arrives

3. Treadwell get’s shot (It’s kind of corney if droids keep exploding of their own malfunctions but who knows perhaps if they actually existed it might be a trait?) 😃

The cut music from the Radio Drama for the binoculars being thrown at Luke has awkward sound over it… Like boxes being dropped and chewbacca growls also so it may ne hard to isolate this but I will give it a shot. Anyway have a nice Christmas Break.

Fullmetaled said:

I wish more or all surviving deleted scenes from the original trilogy would be officially released because we know they exist like in a new hope the Sith Lord mentioned. makes you wonder what other gems are locked away from us same with even the prequel trilogy. 😦

I came up with an idea to include those lines however the audio is so boomy but the audio in the state it was in kind of spurred the idea.

Basically If we showed Vader looking out the Bridge of the Star Destroyer like in Empire Strikes Back and as if Vader can sense what is being said about him… “I tell you he’s gone too far… This sith Lord will be undoing” while Vader looks out of the window in to space then when he goes on to talk about the station being tactically insignificant or whatever we would see the death star then we cut to the film footage of The star destroyer and then heading towards the death star with the music as is which would lead in to the conference room scene.

Although I think it “could” work this way it’s a real stretch. It’s a shame the audio quality is so bad and the video is unsuitable.

PM me if you are interested in talking about FOTR as it’s honestly the only film I really studied so far. I think you will find some things I can pass over quite interesting.

Sorry to Bring up Angel Heart again…

Apparently this is from a VHS Screener Promo Reel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHEDdkUtS8s

Pretty good quality

This is from the TV Cut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF29s47bGlg

DrDre said:

Interesting, I never noticed this. Might be something to consider in the future, however like you said, I first would like to present the extended trilogy in the best way possible as it was released.

That is fair enough I figured as much. The other thing to look out for that you might be interested in is the Cannes preview a 26 minute piece which was released on the ultimate box set recently. This contains some extended and alternate shots especially for the Mines of Moria battle. It is in very good quality also as in perfect HD and finished professionally.

Good luck with this though. I wish you all the best.

Glad you are having a stab at the extended editions.

I guess you will just be going with a straight up port with no changes in structure? Whilst still a huge task.

The Extended editions are great but after looking at fellowship for quite a while I noticed that the remnants of how the film was to go together or fit together are quite obvious and it’s not how the extended edition is presented.

If I may explain. After the scene where the Black Rider Leaves there is this very long shot of Frodo looking at the ring… We are holding on that image a very long time.

The other oddity around this part is The long zoom up the corridor in Orthanc where Saruman talks of joining Sauron.

Basically those two long held moments are meant to actually combine in a dissolve so Frodo looks at the Ring in the palm of his hand and then dissolve through the ring up the corridor of Orthanc to Saruman.

These two moments are shot and filmed to transition and join however the extended edition does not present them in the original planned sequence. This obviously has ramifications for structure for the whole first half and many scenes work better in a different order than is presented.

Although I appreciate you effort to simply make the Extended edition look better It would be quite something to present it closer to how it was planned. The extended editions are made around the theatrical cut’s after the fact and not assembled in the fashion of an assembly.

Audio does not present any challenge for assemvling the original order either for instance If you take the midgewater marshes scene It’s scored with music then the music stops to allow the insert for the second breakfast sketch in snow and then back to the marshes then continues the score after the insert. The snow on the ground and the second breakfast sketch do not match the rest of the scenes and where slam dunked in.

So I don’t expect you to have a go at this because I don’t think it’s your style to attempt something like that but there is a much better version than what we were given although it’s still a brilliant film but we are missing some artistic craft in which it would have been originally assembled.