I pasted the officer in white’s footsteps onto the motti shot like you said,
it doesn’t match at all:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iHnnR_QJNAA5S3tXwY4oRa93EtbvWs65/view?usp=sharing
https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/250641294
The first footstep is off camera
kg1977 said:
@Ronstar…I get the red leaders engine added FX, but where did you plan to add “Vader Take off Hangar Matte Painting” what scene is that for?
I want to make that Shot of vader flying out look better because I have a matte painting for the Falcon landing too and I think The Special Edition although revisionist The new matte paintings are good so I wanted to expand on that a bit. But not too much.
Whoops I deleted everything by accident…
Tosche Station V3 Look at the funnel right at the start of the clip in the top left should come later in the timeline. But yeah it’s getting better.
Blue Milk = 100% Fixed
Bacta Tank - Really great work the scenes of Luke in the Tank and 3P0 and R2-D2 totally seemless you would not know it was originally black and white. Where is the muic from it works quite well?
https://youtu.be/r-rt3ev-hkI?t=489
Glad you never used this bit as I think this is too frantic and I think was to do with the probe droid spotting a snowspeeder and following back to echo base. There is no footage to go with this I don’t think. But perhaps It goes with the Wampa attack or something?
at 08.29 I think is Luke going up the tube and out the Bacta Tank
Yeah but that’s just cross wires… The actual scene that was meant to come before it is still in the film it’s just moved to another part of the film.
And as I said previously I don’t mind that they used that shot and I think it’s warranted to “explain” the viewscreen but what is on the screen does not do the story many favors.
But the fact Motti is not in the shot with the white dressed officer is the dead give away it was an insert to explain the viewscreen. And it did a good job of that but a poor job with what was displayed on it.
Personally I think It’s better constructed in the radio drama version of the scene.
It doesn’t “ruin the story” at all.
We see when Tarkin brings up Alderaan that the aim is adjusted so the planet’s in view
I’m only talking about the shot where he has his arms crossed behind his back and the white officer never once did I say anything about that apart from the stars should be heading in the opposite direction to the planet.
But yeah Tarkin Bringing up Alderaan on the screen you got there.
The guy in the white attire officer is not in the script only Motti. Where does it state about this officer?
Well I moved them footsteps over to Motti and it did match. So I will have to disagree with you on that one.
I think there is also a section of this in the battle of yavin where motti is behind Tarkin which pre cursors him walking up and saying “we have reached the Alderaan system.” So that scene was moved. Motti is not in the shot with the white officer he would be on the right hand side on the wide shot.
Scene 384 after Red Leader crash is where you see Motti precursor shot for this sequence.
It simply says Tarkin casts a sinister eye on the computer screen. Death star one minute and closing so that’s about everything covered really.
…all I’m sayibg is “No! Get rid of it, it’s not helping the story” the story is good but having the planet there to explain the viewscreen ruins the story.
Well why wouldn’t you lead with that?
Because it’s not in the screenply or script Alderaan it says was “green” but the white attire officer is not in the script. Only Motti.
Because of the radio drama version of the scene.
And because it does not have a proper sound mix for instance stealing Mottis footsteps for the guy dressed in the white uniform.
Ok so they decided Alderaan looked no good so they decided to keep the one shot of it looking different and then made sure all the others looked the same?
I think that scene is in the film to simply explain the viewscreen but it’s a bit unfortunate thay had not loaded something else in the slide projector…
To me anyway this seems like Yavin 4. Not Alderaan but it is perhaps Alderaan before it became Yavin… They might even have shots of a ben kenobi that did not die on yavin 4 depending on the shooting schedule…
I call it a mistake and enough people have put Alderaan in the shot all I’m sayibg is “No! Get rid of it, it’s not helping the story” the story is good but having the planet there to explain the viewscreen ruins the story.
The guy in the white who gestures with tarkin even inherited motti’s footsteps from the soundmix where Motti now has none.
Leia with the troops and Vader I don’t think has a soundmix at all just music. Put the footsteps the guy in white is given and you will see that it is Motti’s
Vader stops breathing throughout the scene too.
Yeah that shot is rear projection but the planet does not look like Aldetaan. And that is the reason people keep changing it and disliking it It’s totally different. Some old slide projector probably with only 1 slide loaded. I can’t imagine some cassete loaded animation on this considering crew members were shouting “Bang!” This was more likely some sort of aide for the actors nothing more.
In the radio drama it plays out like a reveal which is i am sure probably based off the script.
It’s also posdible this was eakmarked as Yavin 4 it looks much similar to the mcQuarrie matte painting than Alderaan. The final battle was going to be at Alderaan at one time too. So Alderaam art became yavin 4?
Anyway having the planet on the screen at that point makes zero sense and it degrades the characters into imbeciles.
But when the planet is on screen there is another mistake… If the planet is travelling from right to left the stars should be going left to right. Then it will look correct rather than a flat image it will be 3D but with 2D images.
KG1977 could not synch it so I did it for him… Now he can add extra stuff whatever that is or might be?
- The crap Alderaan image out the Death Star window, as fixed way back by Darth Editous.
there was never meant to be a planet at all on the screen at this point. Notti strolls over and states “we have reached the Alderaan system” like Tarkin is blind and princess Leia also is oblivious to the fact she is at alderran too and act’s surprised like it was’nt there already.
The Planet was meant to appear only on the screen when Tarkin says “Home planet of Alderaan”. It was meant to be a reveal at that point.
Benduwan There was no wall it was pitch black in the doorway…
I synched the audio to your blue milk clip.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/spxlnrl4ze1s9y1/BLue_Milk_KG1977.mp4/file
This is the object that has the reflection frozen in it everything else seems good,
https://www.mediafire.com/view/pnqlm2vv5i00lx8/Blue_milk_Reflection.jpg/file
For Tosche station I took a still and did dome color on it.
https://www.mediafire.com/view/7pjtixqdf9o9g1v/Tosche_station.png/file
I’m not saying what I dud is correct but trying to help you push it in the right direction. An important thing here was to desaturate the sky and lighten the sky also.
Sine stuff I was doing…
Vader Take off Hangar Matte Painting
https://www.mediafire.com/view/4oxwluhvgwmmcsk/Hanger_matte_final.png/file
Red Leader Starboard Engine
https://www.mediafire.com/view/0p8avkaes1ahrgk/Red_Leader_engine_explosion.png/file
I messed about creating a still matte and animating the still image but it’s not working so well looks a bit rubbish and beyond my skills and software I think.
Other than that I’ve been doing audio for the trash compactor restored music and done some sound effects editing quite a bit of missing Audio for small things.
Kg1977 that is a big improvement and I love the matte image wall.i have a big soft spot for those sorts of things.
The big matte shot looks pink in highlights it is easy enough to color correct I reckon. I noticed a bit of a flicker just as they go to leave the bar though like a layer popped in by accident.
Really good work KG1977!
I will take a look at blue milk later and see what the issue is
FWIW I agree. If the original shot of some speeders and people going by that originally opened the scene didn’t have so many foreground antics added in, I’d like to use a version of it without the silliness but with the SE backdrop so it fits in a bit better. I’m not unhappy with what’s in my current version, but it’s an area ripe for improving upon.
I think guy with No name has done a good job and I don’t want him to feel people are asking too much of him… But yeah good what he did here, but also we can pick fault with the original film… Why is the top of the moisture vaporator missing?
That could mean that the shot should be cropped?.. I know I saw an alternate angle more from above that did not have to deal with the landspeeder shadow animation and probably not the missing top of the moisture vaporator but they went with that angle probably to see what could be achieved and perhaps fell out of their depth a bit in 1977 but you know I guess innovation whilst having mistakes included, is better than no innovation without mistakes and playing safe. Pushing the envelope was what it was all about and that rings true for Special Edition also, but in a bad way. The CGI was put center stage over the film especially here in this part.
If this shot was commissioned today it would be more about the top of the moisture vaporator probably more than anything else I reckon.
As time as gone by CGI although a very essential and useful tool in the box of tricks It’s maintained it’s big front and center accolades but also slid into the background and kept itself subtle. The big wow factor is now gone…
The telegraph poles and wires in the background are a good thing too they don’t detract from the shanty town Mos Eisley…
That guy with no name said:
Do you mean this shot?
Comp (WIP)
Here it is with the lightsaber:
ignore the color issues.
That looks fantastic! I hope that you include it in V2! 😀👍🏼
Yep I am hoping this one finally happens…Either in or even outside this edit.
After chatting with Hal9000 in his custom special edition thread and he is a bit torn about What shot’s to use from the special edition in Mos-Eisley and I personally totally prefer the Original version… Whilst not hating the Look of the Special Edition main building designs it got me thinking about the whole “how to hybridize the Special Edition” into something better… So “What if” instead of all the CGI tom foolery we had just simply got some taller structures matted in the background of original shots but with a parallax scroll or even just a still image matte. I’m not saying it is something that you should do, but I thought I would just share the idea. Although the Special edition wanted to make Mos-Eisley bigger it could have been done in a subtle way like that…And also in a much much simpler way.
Keep up the good work
here you go that is the raw audio.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/a4k7b38ws701ztl/Star_Wars_IV_-3-_Blue_Milk.wav/file
Ref Aunt Beru’s food mixer sound effect.
It seems that when the Lars homestead was ransacked the food mixer being of the highest quality was taken by storm troopets. Once put into the empire’s storage facilities it came up on a database of desireable pillage list items and Tarkin spotted it and figured he could do with one in the control roon of the deathstar in case he got a bit peckish whilst destroying planets and such. 😃
The sound efffect is indeed labelled “Aunt Beru’s food processor” but it can be heard in the control room in the battle of yavin at one point…
Ref: Jimmy missing cockpit blow up pilot… He is in the film he is just in the wrong place.
Hmmmm I read off Media info it says 23.98 Windows says it’s also 23.98
I will run it through a convertor and see what heppens… This was from a long time ago back in the day 😃
probably a bodged up rip I reckon. I will get another version.
I wasn’t talking about your version. I was talking about kg1977’s link that he posted here:
Ronster said:
I redid the Techdome Edit to improve it and added the Blue Milk Scene.Nice! if you want 1920 wide blue milk with no dust here is a link (no audio).
the google preview stinks so download to see full qual.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o2fmTaQL1RFOqgSPhoSJQkSXiTqc1oQR/view?usp=sharing
I don’t know if the google drive download option from that link is screwed and its only letting me download the preview version, but the version i grabbed (it’s 40mb), which had the duplicate frames, is 29.97fps and contains the duplicate frames and stuttering that was mentioned.
No that is fine but my 23.976 version has the exact same issue as KG1977’s but as I said I found another version.
The only thing I can think of is that there are 2 versions floating about one with dupes one without.
Hmmmm I read off Media info it says 23.98 Windows says it’s also 23.98
I will run it through a convertor and see what heppens… This was from a long time ago back in the day 😃
probably a bodged up rip I reckon. I will get another version.
I’ve updated Tosche Station a bit… Added sound for the game and improved things a small bit made binoculars zoom quieter and improved footsteps at the end, Added “Grow Up Skywalker!” to the bar before they leave for outside.
https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/784954563
I think that is the about best I can do with this one really now.
OBSERVATIONS ON DEATH STAR BATTLE
https://www.mediafire.com/view/80t9vi9jzlbn8j3/xwing_shot.png/file
I have long wondered about this shot and my gut feeling tells me this was meant to preceede Luke “I can’t Shake him!” but the Tie-Fighter is missing…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ734NWnAHA
This trailer has a flipped version of the shot…
I have also noticed “Pull in Luke… Pull in”
Red Leader “Red Six can you see red 5?”
Red 2 “It’s a heavy fire zone out there… Luke Where are you?”
Now Red 6 (Porkins) is dead at this point and this could be the confusion of battle that Red Leader makes that mistake but I wonder if it was meant to be “Red 2 can you see Red5?” or at one point Wedge was Red 6? as there are 2 wedges john doe and don’t forget about Jimmy.
Johm Doe I think bites the dust from surface gunfire it’s just an x-wing blown up no pilot is shown… This leads into "Watch yourself there’s a lot of fire coming from the right side of that deflection tower. The scenes were swapped around the laser fire is for john Doe the Swoop up away from the surface is Porkins.
Jimmy is a missing Pilot in cockpit being blown up. He is the 3rd x-wing doing the trench run with Red Leader there is a noticeable splice on the explosion where he was meant to be inserted. The scene om the Rinzler ebook say’s so for the record “Sorry Jimmy”.
Somebody pointed out a long time ago when the tie fighter chases Luke the really agitated shot of Luke was meant to be in the trench after where Biggs dies and I think this could be correct. This would mean the Shot of the tie fighter and x -wing should go there instead. Anyway I have not properly looked into that yet.
There is a bit more than this I have noticed but this is really the main Bulk of my assessment so far.
None at all but if you do this at some point please can you share it.
Thanks
I don’t know if Vader reaally needs all the rotoscoping in it’s perhaps overthinking it I reckon. It depends how you cut it. Obiwan stumbles away does he not?
I don’t know what the chrome object is but it is on the right hand side on the kitchen surface. I don’t think this has any dirt on it so you could potential overlay that object onto your frozen matte.
Regardless the duplicate frames need sorting out first really. It was a good spot by Slavicus. This will obviously effect audio synch and because the food processor sound is looped you can’t just re-align the footsteps from the clip I posted because it would be noticeable blip in the sound. So perhaps I will try to make a dirty / dirtyish version as a frame count and then you can copy this frame count for your clean up? Seems to me like then it can eventually all get fixed.
Unless you want to sort the duplicate frames? The duplicate frames happen when she pours the milk. It’s not something you did it is a problem with the original clip.
Luke and Han part ways
https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/792251205/privacy
Small extended scene bit of sound mixing
Tried to fix C3-P0 footsteps it’s a bit better
Extra sound for Ammo Crate props with the reward in while the conversation goes on.
Yeah that is the one! Good job finally 😃
I came across a Star Wars Fan film which had a background for an escape pod… It’s good because it is similar to the Saturn Rocket Separation footage on which the escape pod shot is based.
Matte Painting
https://www.mediafire.com/view/pzuabsm0woo5ki2/escape_pod_matte_2.png/file
Saturn IB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRu40PGQyTw
EDIT:
Just a quick extra thought, but the full Ring Element can only be found in 4:3 version of the footage otherwise it is cropped out. Weather this is something that you want to do or not…Or composition / restoration ideas.
There is another missing matte element when Vader “says I have you now!” the next shot where his joystick is on the controls before he fires the window is missing the trench. It’s totally black was never composited the walls but It also can be cropped out to fix it too…
I looked at the Darth Editous change list you pointed to and especially like Luke say “Yeah” to Han “are you in Kid?” at the start of the turret battle over the comms. I put Radio sound distortion on this if his version did’nt
https://www.mediafire.com/file/l1741kjv8rkdop9/Luke_Yeah_Turret_battle.wav/file
I Made a Targeting Display Matte too for the turrets. If you feel like using it’s yours consider it a thankyou for The Vader shot 😃
https://www.mediafire.com/view/mktd5lsfos9r8mq/Falcon_Target_Display.png/file
I only just started fiddling with this element but there is good possibilities in it.
I’m feeling generous so this one I already did and it’s very easy to do and I thought it worked well I luma keyed this into Red Leaders target display before he fires and impacts the surface.
https://www.mediafire.com/view/3yzumbd6k9vzkqy/exhaust_port.png/file
It kind of set’s up Luke’s Run later on I thought.
The Lowry master’s version of the Death Star explosion is bad. But the 19SE isn’t, and it has the fiery colors back.
And I’m open to whatever material for Mos Eisley may exist. I PM’d Dat_SW_Guy to see what he had made. I think he was even going to try to use that shot but with the SE background of the buildings. That’d be cool.
It’s not possible to cobble together something totally seamless between the original and SE versions of these movies, but I’m shooting for as close as I can get. When I was first introduced to Star Wars through renting them from Blockbuster in the late nineties, the original and SE versions were both available and I experienced both. The personal motivation for this project is to get at the ideal compromise that I have a pseudo-memory of from back then. What feels right while maintaining continuity. Can’t be totally realized without a team of VFX wizards, but can get close enough in a way that’s at least preferable to the SE as it is.
I don’t know about that statement to be honest HAL9000 about not being able to cobble together a perfect blend both SE and Original versions but yeah I get the whole thing about “a team of visual effects Artists” which is also the failure point too I think. Although I am no VFX artist or even a good artist I am having reasonable success in making some good visual changes but for the right reasons I think. But I think the key to my strategy is trying to have a reasonably light touch and using matte replacements rather than too much funky CGI. I don’t mind some shots in the Special Edition at all but then others just get totally extraneous. I have singled out some CGI extra shots but they are few little snap shots tbh.
I think you can look at the Yavin takeoff and say well Make it a big Matte shot like it was supposed to be and replace the tracking dot’s if you can or just make them pinkish like engine glow, or accept the totally different interpretation of the scene which is nothing like a film in 1977. It’s a tough call… It is indeed difficult but also simple in a way too.
Having just looked more closely at the Special edition version the light is coming from both sides from the right on the guy in the basket like the original and the highlights on the ships from the left so it’s kind if messed up anyway. Special edition ships being flipped and roto in would fix that problem. But it’s way past my abilities to do that.
that shockwave (first Death Star) actually feels like it adds something to me.
Well the 97 Version added something but the later versions look like a washed out piece of crap. all of the color vanishes and it just is all white surrounded by blue screen spill.
What do you reckon for this concept?
https://www.mediafire.com/view/ny3ar1296v1rly7/Massasi_Temple%25282%2529.png/file
I think it’s a tough call to really know if the Special edition is truly any good really.
Concept for updated Original shot
https://www.mediafire.com/view/ny3ar1296v1rly7/Massasi_Temple%25282%2529.png/file
Remember all the old computer games that had the Temple and the guy in the Basket well I tried to fix it so it looks like it should. And it put a smile on my face 😃
I looked at your blue milk clean up and I noticed the door frame wobble about and a reflection on a chrome object on the right has Aunt Beru’s reflection frozen on it after she has left the room. You also did not do the whole clip it’s cut short. I only noticed because I tried to join the original version and the clean up you did to make it the full length…
As Slavicus stated there are duplicate frames making it choppy frame rate too.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
. stormtrooper that bumps his head now doesn’t, he stays back until the leader trooper enters the room.
Woah! How are you going to achieve this? Not just by cropping the image I’m assuming?
The stormtrooper will stay back until the other troopers come in, this works because he is the one standing guard. I’ll achieve this by freezing him after the door opens and to hide this I’ll add some slight movement.
Anything I missed please tell me.
also V.2 will have full visual change list, like this:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/5kED5fe56duiLx639I was thinking about the change of the star destroyer you made and there is another problem the bridge crest is different on the devastator to the ones in ESB. It’s not that noticeable but it is a difference in the model.
Can you restore the alternate take from Vader in the original theatrical trailer and rotoscope his lightsaber? This is something that should have happened decades ago but has never been done to my knowledge nobody ever seems to want to include this better more aggressive shot where he hits the wall… If you do do that then can you please share it as then people can finally make Star Wars trailers with finished effects 😃
If you want to go one step further on the Lightsaber Duel in the editing in the film when Obi-wan spins around he finishes swiping high after the twirl if the scenes are placed in the correct order he actually was meant to do a low swipe which would restore the original choreography and to be honest it’s a better move too.
Do you have the clip on you?
It’s in the theatrical trailer the alternate angle on Vader but the lightsaber is his white stick. Never had effects done.
The original choreography I think is in a number of documentries showing Alec Guiness spinning and doing the low swipe. Also Making of Star Wars 1977 has the only proper sound for the explosion at the end of the Death star escape turret battle… The sound is otherwise hollow and incorrect in basically every version. The footage is in the film for the low swipe just the shots are inn the incorrect order. Look at the walls in the background and you will see how shots were flipped and stuff.
Anything I missed please tell me.
also V.2 will have full visual change list, like this:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/5kED5fe56duiLx639
I was thinking about the change of the star destroyer you made and there is another problem the bridge crest is different on the devastator to the ones in ESB. It’s not that noticeable but it is a difference in the model.
Can you restore the alternate take from Vader in the original theatrical trailer and rotoscope his lightsaber? This is something that should have happened decades ago but has never been done to my knowledge nobody ever seems to want to include this better more aggressive shot where he hits the wall… If you do do that then can you please share it as then people can finally make Star Wars trailers with finished effects 😃
If you want to go one step further on the Lightsaber Duel in the editing in the film when Obi-wan spins around he finishes swiping high after the twirl if the scenes are placed in the correct order he actually was meant to do a low swipe which would restore the original choreography and to be honest it’s a better move too.
After a lot of fucking around and messing about, and buying another copy of the eBook through iTunes, at the moment I can somewhat say that the Apple Books version of Empire Strikes Back is extremely similar, with a very minimal difference in bitrate, but basically identical.
The 10 clips from the eBook, only those with raw/deleted footage, in my existing rip, in total are 85mb, with each file having a bitrate of 1.1mb/s.
The Apple Books versions add up to 109mb, with the average bitrate being 1.5mb/s.
These are both pretty rubbish bitrates, considering the film on the 2011 Blu-Ray is roughly 32mb/s, however the Apple version of the eBook footage is definitely a little better.
The resolution for my version is 640x308, and the Apple one being 640x480. Which doesn’t mean much, as it’s just the black matte that is cut out in my version.
And also, the Apple version is locked up with DRM, with no current way I can find to unlock it. The videos don’t play, the images don’t open and the text doesn’t load, if you take it outside of the Apple Books app on a Mac computer. This was a waking fucking nightmare to work out. If anyone could figure out how to strip the DRM from the individual files, they still could be useful potentially since the bitrate is still slightly higher.
Every video file is also tagged with “SD for Apple Devices”, so it seems unlikely that there are any HD versions out there, unless anyone wants to test the Google Play versions, but I will not be sadly.
Unless there is some sort of alternate release of all this footage (another Blu-Ray or digital bonus or something), all of this stuff will be locked in barely 480p quality. Some of the SW Gag Reel made it into the TROS Doco, and there was a re-edit made of it on the ROTS Blu-Ray, but it suffered from being cropped to 16:9 and some horrid ghosting effects. In the end, some upscales we make will likely be the best we’ll ever have.
Here is a smiley Mark for your troubles!
Put your mac screen in a NDI
then stream your epub book videos to a screen capture like OBS on another computer?
