Unfortunately these things don’t always go to plan and what you might see on the screen to be fact is unfortunately a work around because a special effect shot was not plausible enough.
But they made it work that is what really counts.
I think the plan was he was meant to put out the flames with his foot but that was altered when the effect did not work.
From the very Start in Star Wars although it is not in the shot somehow, when Ben get’s struck down his Robe catches alight… Then Vader Stamps out the flames with his foot. The lore is established.
Uhhh … I think you’re creating that scenario in your mind, pal. There’re no smouldering/burning robes in that shot; Vader’s stomping the robes in confusion over where Ben’s remains went.
It was not working but Vader putting his foot on the robes was to put out the flames… See this.
https://youtu.be/FSuDjjlIPak?t=2221
And yes it works either way no problems
There is another take of this where he does the neck swipe but I can not seem to find it. But you understand now why he prods it with his foot.
Luke is swinging a lightsaber into dozens of people but none of them receive visible injuries
Come on, these are supposed to be kid friendly movies.
Yes but there are some adult undertones, Star Wars and Empire both have some very good content for adults and the balance between stuff for kids and stuff for adults is well maintained but once we get to Return of the Jedi the scales tip towards the kids and leave the adults up in the air a bit.
Your taking your kids to see this movie for their enjoyment more than you are your own enjoyment. But it does retain some stuff more suited to adults. But it’s not as well balanced is what I am saying.
It’s the first sign of the sillyness in Star Wars Saga rather than humour.
Empire very nearly left the kids dangling up in the air though and tipping towards the adults too much.
As for Baseball bat Lightsaber it does not need Blood and guts and limbs being lopped off so much as a flame effect.
From the very Start in Star Wars although it is not in the shot somehow, when Ben get’s struck down his Robe catches alight… Then Vader Stamps out the flames with his foot. The lore is established.
I see that you never had a go at this one… Now I am not saying this is 100% correct but it does get rid of the bad music cut… Only to move the gap to another part of the film.
Lukes Rescue / Hyperspace
I am not going to bother breaking it down because it might be a bit wrong, but I do think there are some very right things about it too, anyway enjoy it for what it is worth… It’s a good attempt slightly rough, with a little uncertainty.
UPDATE
Ok the video file has been replaced… The bit that I think that now has a correct cue is from the point Leia says “Lando?”… Everything else I have done my best and not going to say it’s totally correct but I feeling my way through it…The cue is early in the original film and the special editions for the Facon flying way.
When Lando says “look there is somone up there” the music fades. The Gap in the footage is now rightfully in the middle. This is where Lando pulled Luke across the Falcon. Leia says “Hurry we have company”. Lando does not respond 5 seconds or about that.
The alternative is “Hurry we have Company” shot of dashboard with voice over and then a shot of the Tie Fighters approaching the Falcon is fairly far in the distance. or a shot of a Tie Fighter Pilot or POV out the cockpit. God knows.
The first part of the deleted scene needs a bit more time added. Mistake there admitedly but it’s about 1.5 seconds extra on the first scene of Leia using the medical tool.
The other cool thing is the original hatches open / c;ose in time to the music. I think this one is more or less in the bag.
Well Done!
I can’t help translate, but I will send a donation as it sounds like you are on the back foot from Empire then going in to ROTJ at a later point in arrears. With a donation drive for ROTJ to help pay for the rest of Empire.
I will send something in the next few days and I hope others follow your call.
For comparison. Rebel escape from Hoth is way more unreasonable than rebels destroying the shield generator on Endor. The imperials had a massive fleet blocking the planet.
I wouldn’t call 3 Stardestroyers and the Executor a massive fleet.
It was meant to be six star destroyers originally but it got downsized for (budget) reasons?
And the Executor completely disappears once the battle starts But it’s probably still there. Or the executor was added after the point they had done most of the Hoth Space scenes.
to quote another scene…
Darth Vaders Star Destroyer larger and stranger than the 5 imperial star destroyers that surround it…
So it was six including the Executor
I was watching the Luke fixing his Light saber deleted scene today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayT0EZwbks
And a few things struck me (pun intended) ok watch it closely…
Now the first Part of the deleted scene has Vader walking down a corridor this comes before the deleted scene of Vader choking Jejerrod and is part of that deleted scene.
Then the bit where he get’s in the elevator to go up to see the emperor is actually after he chokes Jejerrod.
Then there is a sudden wipe to very badly degraded footage of Vader in his meditation chamber
Then we cut to the deleted footage of Luke with Lightsaber jumping to the start of the film where as all the other events come much later on in the film.
I have seen this editing before Mr Lucas! Yes he put this together no doubt at all, it’s not editing from the film. The film was never meant to be like this…
So the thing that struck me most (here I go again) was the meditation chamber scene. Now the background is very dark so it is very hard to tell. But I am starting to wonder if this was a deleted scene from Empire.
But I did notice 2 lights in the bottom corner which seem inconsistant with Empires Set. But this meditation chamber scene would have gone when the emperor tells Vader to wait on the command ship. Can anyone confirm this meditation chamber scene to be 100% a different set to the one on Empire?
Could his chair be swiveled in another direction?
I just hope this is not some sneaky move. I am also doubting the dialogue that vader says here too. I just don’t understand why this scene is so much worse in quality than the rest…
but it’s not a true deleted sequence it’s a poor edit of deleted footage.
Vader is clenching his fists in anger over something that is not got anything to do with beckoning to Luke.
I don’t think the early drafts mention any scene either of Vader in his meditation chamber and for them to build this set again would have been a massive thing to do for this brief shot.
I think it is shot with the viewscreen panels behind him. I am calling Empire strikes back deleted scene.
It’s also been re-timed in slow motion
I really do hope you have asked for permission to use various peoples hard work… Ok crediting is a given (apart from including the end credits sorry really bad move there) but I really hope you asked people if they mind you doing whatever you are going to do with not all their work but none the less quite a lot of work also.
This whole thread just comes off 100% disrespect
How does crediting people come off as disrespect? If you mean the creative liberties I’m going to take, several other fan edits make drastic changes. Please explain how putting hard work into creating an edit and crediting all works used, disrespects the creators?
Crediting people is not disrespectful, the point was have you asked anyone who’s sources you are using (their work) if it is ok if you make an edit from their work.
That was the question.
And that removing the end credits for the actual creators of the original films is also not that good a move as then there is literally nothing to state all the poeple that were involved in making the films.
So from what I read it felt like it was a double whammy nobody get’s credited if you were to watch your edit, please correct me If I am wrong and perhaps I read it wrong but that is what it seems or feels like when I read the thread.
I always felt Vader rose up the ranks after Tarkin’s demise and was a moff or perhaps even more so but retained his Lord title.
Anyway today his quite a happy day now beacuse I have been working away on the battle with the storm troopers and I moved to the next phase of adding the music. This changed things quite a bit but…
I think I finally have the Battle nailed or as close as damn it which has been a thorn in me for (I said 2 years) but it’s actually 3 years now looking back. At the very least I had try to figure this out at least 4 - 6 times in a year. I think I can finally put it to bed now thank god.
I have taken everything in to account and I believe this to now be as accurate as I can make the battle part to the first cut before changes were made.
I am now drinking wine soon to have a roast dinner… I feel like it’s now all in the right place, I knew it was not quite right before but now I think it really is there.
I have done my best…The music cues are more or less the same but the footage order is different but I think actually the music now matches the scenes better in a few instances.
Missing scene card 1 is actually quite a bit longer it encompasses the scene I cut of the storm troopers shooting but they are shooting at the people who live on cloud city running away and the people of cloud city and Chewie Lando and Leia shoot back at them (apparently according to the script)
Missing scene card 2 Applies to the sound effects heard of the Lasers when there are no Lasers on the screen, and I believe this shot exists that was mixed by ben burt but the footage was swapped for some reason. Anyway I think it is either R2-D2 coming back through the door or it is Chewie leaving the wall or both. Pew Pew… Pew the Lasers go, you know what I mean.
The shots of R2-D2 smoking and away from the port somehow need to be fixed so he is actually plugged in to the wall and speaking / replying to 3PO
I have honestly tried to take everything in to account and I can now feel I can put this finally to bed. Enjoy!
Edit:
Just for reference I am going to expand a bit more upon the sequence.
The Millennium Falcon was intended to be both behind the door R2-D2 electrocutes himself trying to open and then when they run further on the door that is located some distance away. So It is in essence a paradox.
The only way I can think of to possibly have this make sense is include the Lobot deleted scene and try to show that they were going to try and escape on another ship perhaps Lando’s ship. Then they decide to go to platform 327.
I really do hope you have asked for permission to use various peoples hard work… Ok crediting is a given (apart from including the end credits sorry really bad move there) but I really hope you asked people if they mind you doing whatever you are going to do with not all their work but none the less quite a lot of work also.
This whole thread just comes off 100% disrespect
If you were interested in the clip I posted on page 1 I now put it to final footage order…(Or best guess final)
I was chopping at that tree and then it fell…
The early drafts will give you perhaps something indictive or in some cases precisely what was planned to go at certain points.
It all depends on how the script was revised. But from here you can start to build a picture to the music.
Also check out any production stills for anything that points to a filmed but missing scene.
It can be very frustrating, but it’s great when you get some of the answers you are looking for and for that reward you get to understand the music and also what footage the music is meant to go with.
But your brain can also end up in knots over this stuff too 😃
You can not rule out music editing also in this game also, it may well be that there is no missing footage but just the music is alternate. There could be footage re-arranged in a different order also and simply no missing scenes.
But the most common answer is actually all of the above!
Sick to death of Super Hero movies.
Yeah just watched that fan film… Hmm Good Action and some bad action too but it was not all bad, it was quite mediocre, no plot, special effects and fighting choreography really. The Force push battle made me laugh!
One of my Favourite short films is this one.
Yes these sorts of things are my cup of tea!
But unfortunately I have no idea.
If you can find some deleted footage then I might be able to try and make a reconstruction. I did do a rough cut of this scene years a go where I chopped off Bobba fetts head because I wanted to.
But actually restoring original intent is another matter. Grab the shooting script that is your first point of call. Arrange the footage as per the shooting script then look for gaps in the sequence or missing scenes.
That is the best I can give you as a place to start. But working these things out can take an awful long time be warned.
OK agreed it was painted on electricity 😃
Considering the backlash about luke screaming exacly like the emperor… It was very silly decision.
Even if it were Mark Hamil’s voice it still would have been a bad decision
Good Work on the ROTJ shot!
I found something interesting…
Cool eh… Yoda Watching?
I think really in summary Empire Strikes Back Main Flaw is “Time”
Whichever way you look at it if it is not a question of how much time has passed it’s a question of why shot’s are swapped about or the timeline is re-arranged.
In the clip I posted on the last page although there was no dialogue pay attention to this part.
R2-D2 electrocues himself… Beeps wildly smoking his head spinning Chewie tries to help him
C3-PO " Well don’t blame me! how am I supposed to know the difference between a power socket and a computer terminal?"
R2-D2 drives in to the wall dazed and confused he beeps disgruntedly at 3PO
They continue to travel down the corridor C3-PO " Well at least your still on one piece look what happened to me!"
Now why on earth create a time travel type movie scenario and move that shot and split the conversation in half but keep the dialogue in tact slotting it in the past before they reach Bobba Fetts ship when it’s obviously not meant to go there?
I think it’s missing shot’s but It’s another factor in this whole time conundrum in which Empire Strikes Back seems to falter
Lord Haseo although I will agree that Empire Has a more intricate and complicated plot when it comes to Pacing that out…
Let’s look at Empires Pacing.
Empire does pace faster than Star wars and John Doom here a member summed it up pretty well. That it keeps on presenting a new danger or threat just when you think the characters are out of trouble a new threat or danger rears it’s ugly head.
This is very well executed and works Amazingly well but it also does not know when to stop… Causing a problem of not knowing when to slow down a bit for it’s own good. Especially as we have been talking in your other thread about this issue. It is a well known common complaint of both How long did Luke spend on Dagobah and How long did the Falcon take to get to Bespin.
Star Wars does not have issues of this nature it flows it speeds up and it slows down for it’s own good and when things really heat up it goes absolutely ballistic.
I would actually rate Empire winning over Star Wars on music score but around 35% of it was cut from the film and or re-written but also the music was clumsily edited the amount of times there is fade cut before a crescendo losses it points to Star wars
Furthermore handling of certain scenes such as the probe droid crashing twice also loses the film serious points.
Timeline alterations and scene re-arrangements out of sequence in Empire vs Star Wars “locked editing” and the music all coming together without any of the afore mentioned clumsy music editing.
I Crown Star wars Winner.
But if it was not for those things I would crown empire winner but it dropped the ball as far as I am concerned.
Star Wars is far better paced than Empire strikes back. Star Wars ends on a high. The special effects are more or less on par with each other.
It’s only my opinion but I did say that Empire is very nearly better but there are a few things that stop it topping Star wars. But I think Empire is better than Star Wars in some ways.
Overall I hand the gold medal to Star Wars.
Star wars is the best star wars movie.
How about that…
Empire strikes back is nearly better but it falls short but only just.
Then Return of the Jedi comes in with the bronze.
The force awakens get’s an honorable mention.
The others are just plain losers in the race.
This could get more complicated in a few years though
I’ve heard a lot recently that Luke’s training in ESB was a whopping 2 weeks.
Which is a lame concept.
The events that take place in the film don’t indicate it taking place over several months.
“The cave! Remember your failure at the cave!”
“But I’ve learned so much since then!”
IMO, that bit of dialogue hints that something more than two weeks worth of training passed by.
Yes you are absolutely right but the complaint is that we don’t feel as though 2 weeks or 2 months has passed in terms of how the film is edited because it is edited in a very real time immediate way.
This is however a double edged sword because the other complaint about this that I have heard time and time again is that the Falcon also feels like it arrives at Bespin in no time at all.
So thinking of this problem or complaint laterally would it have been beneficial for say a footage montage of the Falcon flying through space to convey a long arduous space journey before they reach bespin when he leaves the Junk and Bobba Fett behind. Would that be a better way to show time passing. Like I said it’s a double edged sword and it’s probably easier to convey the time dilation effect / Time Passing in space than it is on the Planet Dagobah.
Perhaps even intercutting between the Falcon Flying through Space and Luke swinging a lightsabre about with Yoda on his back might do the trick perhaps a montage for both of these threads intertwined would have been beneficial.
But If I also remember correctly Han also says “It’s not far” so I guess this really solves very little but It might help to show a bit more time passing but Han has been known to stretch the truth before 😃
There was meant to be a bit more training on Dagobah as seen in the deleted scenes… But It honestly was not much. And it also was not that fitting either fighting with training remotes or cutting up a silver metal bar.
I think the whole idea was Luke left prematurely before completing his training and that is reflected well enough. Unless you put up a card that says 2 weeks later on it there is not much chance to show time passing but a brief montage could have done that perhaps to music.
I even thought about a shot of the planet in space might be able to achieve that time passing effect somehow… But like I said Luke still leaves early anyway so there really is’nt anything to fix.
Or you make it so Luke arrives on Dagobah earlier pushing the the sequences in to a different order, it also was not meant to be on any maps though something that got recycled in attack of the clones. The script has the the film in a very different order of sequence.