Ronster

Yeah you have most of it in that compilation…But

as previously ststaed there is the computer screen shots of James Spader “Last known location - Egypt”

and there is another quite long shot of a death glider circling around the exterior of the pyramid ship as when I did that video I did not have season 3 or 2, I cannot remember. this clip is about 8 seconds.

The problem though with these clips from the movie that MGM spliced into the show SG-1 is that the PAL versions which I have those clips are hard coded interlaced where as the rest of the shots are progressive scan. So I don’t know if the SG1 series in the US was released in NTSC interlaced as then these could be de-interlaced to remove all the Blurred frames. That would be my shout on it, at least get the original series 1 in US NTSC DVD to see if the majority movie snatched shots can be de-interlaced… probably can pick it up fairly cheap? Thw new release with CGI updates removes a lot of the movie snatched shots from Children of the gods pilot.

The brief audio clips are from the Stargate CD rom however the mov files are old mov’s and VLC seems to no longer support the audio codec for it. It;s nothing particularly special it’s ambient announcements from an early version in the Military base and when they get to the pyramid there is some very brief radio chatter ambient noise. They might run in Media Player classic I’m not sure though. Also from the CD rom contains a nice font for the subtitles I am assuming that they are the original theatrical subtitles which you would get on a flim print.

It would be interesting to see if those fonts made it onto a TV version. would be a nice restoration to do rather than the bland dvd or bluray player generated fonts

When I was messing around with the film I had an idea to infuse a bit more Egytptian mummy horror to it and Russell Mulachy Tales of the mummy or Talos the mummy might be a good resource for that.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0127919/

There is an extended cut with extra scenes of Christopher Lee and basically the tents and the dig site look identical to the ones in Stargate there is also some interesting ancient Egypt flashbacks which also might help with that aspect if you feel like giving it a bit of Hammer Horror feel 😃 The film is quite crap but there are some quite good bits at the Dig site and the Egypt flash Backs. The main idea here was when Daniel Recounts the uprising against Ra instead of showing repeated shots from the end of the film you could show ancient Egypt instead. But this could also be used when Daniel is ressurected to show the Healing sarcophagus also infuses things from the past when brought back to life.

LILIAN02230 said:

papill6n88 said:

Woww, so hype about your fanedit!
Thank youuu in advance

p.s: did Ronster ever managed to release his fanedit?
And do you plan to include in your fanedit, most of his fixes/extended scenes?

I don’t know if Ronster has plan to release his fanedit soon.

I only use from his work some footage from a video compilation he made. I also use its whormhole travel through the stargate.

This edit is a new vision made to be a reimagined cut to go to Stargate SG1.

By all means go ahead and good luck 😃

I can send you a few things over of missing material audio snippets mainly it might help a bit?. Funnily enough I saw this promo trailer the other day…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFwu-C5UClk

Listen for RA’s growl at 01.24 plus some other audio effects might be in there.

There was another scene from SG1 they took from the film it Just has a computer screen with James Spader and says “last known location - Egypt”

Fullmetaled said:

I didn’t mention the cgi shots I was saying why can’t we get everything and kitchen sink of deleted scenes from the Lucasfilm archives of the six George lucas Star Wars films. I don’t get why are they hold the gems back from us. that Sith Lord scene is an example of something they held back from us. 😦

Oh yeah I totally agree. It would be great if they put out the ILM documentary series they did recently and bundled all the deleted scenes as a bonus. Theres a gun battle missing from Empire strikes back which nobody ever mentions it’s in the script too. Lando’s Guards with the funny noses vs stormtroopers. There is a lot of unseen stuff for Empire strikes back. Anyway I have 4 more scenes to go now for deleted scene soundmixes.

1.Luke opening binoculars

2.Luke treadwell Lars homestead sandcrawler arrives

These 2 I already have material prepared for them.

3. Han and chewie extended “what are you looking at?” Gag which is one of my favourites.

4.Death star destruction although I have sorted this the other day I want to move Vader saying “I have you now” to before the targeting computer locks on to the xwing not afterward. It makes little sense in the order it is in plus theres something else too I want to add.

Very close now to the finish line.

Fullmetaled said:

Ronster said:

Fullmetaled said:

I wish more or all surviving deleted scenes from the original trilogy would be officially released because we know they exist like in a new hope the Sith Lord mentioned. makes you wonder what other gems are locked away from us same with even the prequel trilogy. 😦

I came up with an idea to include those lines however the audio is so boomy but the audio in the state it was in kind of spurred the idea.

Basically If we showed Vader looking out the Bridge of the Star Destroyer like in Empire Strikes Back and as if Vader can sense what is being said about him… “I tell you he’s gone too far… This sith Lord will be undoing” while Vader looks out of the window in to space then when he goes on to talk about the station being tactically insignificant or whatever we would see the death star then we cut to the film footage of The star destroyer and then heading towards the death star with the music as is which would lead in to the conference room scene.

Although I think it “could” work this way it’s a real stretch. It’s a shame the audio quality is so bad and the video is unsuitable.

I think you missed my point we shouldn’t have just gotten that one scene and like that it should have been restored with a plethora of deleted scenes for all six of the films George worked on for the uhd release there was no reason not to include them. if the new ghostbusters could include the deleted scenes from 2 even though it was still missing some of the infamous ones. then the Star Wars set could have as well even if it was a blu ray extras disc there’s no excuse.

Well the main motivation for restoring the ghostbusters deleted scenes was to recreate Harold Ramis in CGI not because they wanted to create a new version although even Ivan Reichman was a bit torn over why he cut some stuff from the film after seeing them again. There was some really funny stuff in there.

The problem with the Special edition of Star Wars CGI fest say in the final battle of Yavin is that it replaces shots but then does not put original shots back in the location they were supposed to go. So although people hate on it I think they have a right to because it was a half arsed job. They did not have all of the shots exactly as planned. The Special edition fixes this creating shots but then does not put the discarded shots back in the correct place and some are discarded due to being poorly done…

The most interesting one is the Lightning and the x-wing pulling up. Biggs “Luke are you alright” Luke “I got a little cooked but I’m ok…” This shot that was excised I think shows the start of the chain reaction as Luke pulls up after bullseye on the exhaust port. This means I have to redo the Death Star Destruction Edit again but it will be that small bit better. So that shot that is in the original film is actually a deleted scene for another part entirely. That is why this process takes so long and as you may appreciate now a bit better it’s quite complex.

Also The Replacement shot only has the proper sound mix on the 97 Version all others are missing the sound of the X-wing pulling away. So it’s all a bit of a mess always has been always will be probably but there you have it A story about a single shot and how it has many things about it and quite far reaching things associated with it.

OK so here is Tosche Station Part 1

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/784954563

The music from Radio Drama could not be isolated so I went back to my originsl music score I had singled out for it. Pretty much there on this one… Should there be sound for the game in the background? Anyway hope you like the choice of music snd sound effects. This took quite a while to do.

https://forcesofgeek.com/2022/06/conan-the-barbarian-the-official-story-of-the-film-arrives-november-1st-to-celebrate-the-films-40th-anniversary.html?fbclid=IwAR2GfafdR9hgVbIDem-

This is good news I hope it get’s interviews from all the main people in the production.

I was also hoping for the many of the cut miniatures and matte paintings perhaps we might see their final versions rather than production stills, along with full breakdowns of the deleted scenes and alternate material.

Could be a fantastic book if done right. I was hoping for a new release of the film oh well here’s hoping for that too.

kg1977 said:

I believe Luke and treadwell were meant for the beginning as in the novel and radio drama it is clear he is on the farm with them and sees the battle. I think its kind of where people expect it, but your take is artistic choice so I would say it’s what feels right to you. If you add there I would show additional shot of the homestead burning with a composited treadwell of center and some story troopers from some footage then treadwell getting shot so there is more context to where he is and what you are seein (that it is taking place miles away)

Yeah I am splitting it into 3 parts

1. very start Video is up there in the thread a rough timing.

2. When Sandcrawler Arrives

3. Treadwell get’s shot (It’s kind of corney if droids keep exploding of their own malfunctions but who knows perhaps if they actually existed it might be a trait?) 😃

The cut music from the Radio Drama for the binoculars being thrown at Luke has awkward sound over it… Like boxes being dropped and chewbacca growls also so it may ne hard to isolate this but I will give it a shot. Anyway have a nice Christmas Break.

Fullmetaled said:

I wish more or all surviving deleted scenes from the original trilogy would be officially released because we know they exist like in a new hope the Sith Lord mentioned. makes you wonder what other gems are locked away from us same with even the prequel trilogy. 😦

I came up with an idea to include those lines however the audio is so boomy but the audio in the state it was in kind of spurred the idea.

Basically If we showed Vader looking out the Bridge of the Star Destroyer like in Empire Strikes Back and as if Vader can sense what is being said about him… “I tell you he’s gone too far… This sith Lord will be undoing” while Vader looks out of the window in to space then when he goes on to talk about the station being tactically insignificant or whatever we would see the death star then we cut to the film footage of The star destroyer and then heading towards the death star with the music as is which would lead in to the conference room scene.

Although I think it “could” work this way it’s a real stretch. It’s a shame the audio quality is so bad and the video is unsuitable.

PM me if you are interested in talking about FOTR as it’s honestly the only film I really studied so far. I think you will find some things I can pass over quite interesting.

Sorry to Bring up Angel Heart again…

Apparently this is from a VHS Screener Promo Reel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHEDdkUtS8s

Pretty good quality

This is from the TV Cut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF29s47bGlg

DrDre said:

Interesting, I never noticed this. Might be something to consider in the future, however like you said, I first would like to present the extended trilogy in the best way possible as it was released.

That is fair enough I figured as much. The other thing to look out for that you might be interested in is the Cannes preview a 26 minute piece which was released on the ultimate box set recently. This contains some extended and alternate shots especially for the Mines of Moria battle. It is in very good quality also as in perfect HD and finished professionally.

Good luck with this though. I wish you all the best.

Glad you are having a stab at the extended editions.

I guess you will just be going with a straight up port with no changes in structure? Whilst still a huge task.

The Extended editions are great but after looking at fellowship for quite a while I noticed that the remnants of how the film was to go together or fit together are quite obvious and it’s not how the extended edition is presented.

If I may explain. After the scene where the Black Rider Leaves there is this very long shot of Frodo looking at the ring… We are holding on that image a very long time.

The other oddity around this part is The long zoom up the corridor in Orthanc where Saruman talks of joining Sauron.

Basically those two long held moments are meant to actually combine in a dissolve so Frodo looks at the Ring in the palm of his hand and then dissolve through the ring up the corridor of Orthanc to Saruman.

These two moments are shot and filmed to transition and join however the extended edition does not present them in the original planned sequence. This obviously has ramifications for structure for the whole first half and many scenes work better in a different order than is presented.

Although I appreciate you effort to simply make the Extended edition look better It would be quite something to present it closer to how it was planned. The extended editions are made around the theatrical cut’s after the fact and not assembled in the fashion of an assembly.

Audio does not present any challenge for assemvling the original order either for instance If you take the midgewater marshes scene It’s scored with music then the music stops to allow the insert for the second breakfast sketch in snow and then back to the marshes then continues the score after the insert. The snow on the ground and the second breakfast sketch do not match the rest of the scenes and where slam dunked in.

So I don’t expect you to have a go at this because I don’t think it’s your style to attempt something like that but there is a much better version than what we were given although it’s still a brilliant film but we are missing some artistic craft in which it would have been originally assembled.

You know when Luke pulls up to the burning Lars homestead…

The POV shot from the landspeeder has the glass dome removed.

when we cut back to the reverse angle we see Luke behind the glass dome in the cockpit.

Not sure if you fancy fixing this one I’ll just leave it as an observation I made and if you feel like having a go at fixing that one then cool.

ncskye said:

Hey folks,

So here is my question, what if in 1997 George Lucas just cleaned up the deleted scenes, added them back into the original films, and nothing else?

I have been looking at this for quite some time perhaps 2 years on and off and it’s not as straight forward as you might think.

Adding the deleted scenes back in radically changes the opening of the film amongst other cut’s and splices when you start to deep dive it is not only deleted material but even in existing material within the film is in the incorrect order especially gun battles or repeated sections of film and audio synch issues.

To say the deleted scenes do not belong in the film I would agree that with Jabba the scene is totally obsolete. Luke and Biggs are not however and I think that this is something worth trying to achieve.

To understand how these scenes work was and still is a long process. It is a slightly different film but not that different, but different enough to make it a different experience,

Hal 9000 said:

We do finish with Saruman in TTT, but I don’t think the TTT Rivendell scenes between Arwen and Aragorn are there at all. I could be wrong, but I think he removed them.

Ok Cheers for the reply…

Those scenes in the flashback need to be in TFOR to make Aragorns line about “Arwen going to the grey havens” from the gift giving scenes at Loth Lorien make sense.

So it seems you have included the full gift giving scenes but without that scene being present in FOTR it does not make sense even in the extended edition this makes no sense without the Scene placed correctly back before they leave. It’s also why Arwen looks so sad when the fellowship depart.

Just saying I’m not even sure if Arwen Leaving for the Grey havens should be in ROTK but in TTT instead.

How’s things coming along?

I’ve been busy with work but plan to get back on this soon in terms of sound mixing.

as Far as the opening goes I have to do sound for Luke Binoculars do you think if we cut from the planet surface to space instead of Panning down it would pan up from the planet to space?

There is more tattooine planet matte painting to achieve this more than is shown in the film anyway.

I have sorted out somewhat the music and sound for an escape pod being destroyed before they are clamped in this was to go in the fanfare that plays on Star Destroyer coming over the tantive this also solves the “There goes another one” gunner line issue.

I have a soundmix somewhat prepared for Tosche station scene where Luke runs into the bar. I think the cut music from the radio drama when Han and Luke part ways at Yavin Base when they are loading boxes is possibly a music cue for Luke having the binoculars chucked at him. I say this because it sounds very similar to the escape pod going towards Tattooine music cue but obviously this cue would then take us back up to the Tantive IV and captured princess Leia. I have a piece of music that I think will work well for the bar scene also.

Do you have the extra shot where they leave the bar in your possession? from what I understand it is quite low quality it’s not necessarily needed but it’s an extra shot…

Do you think when Luke runs up the stairs towards the Bar we should see the escape pod in the sky?

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/783244488

^ Here is my final go at the Vader Scene and I included the Treadwell being shot edit to show how I think it was meant to go also. I hope you like my final take on this 😃

These sound interesting although like you have pointed out The 1st post assumes that we all know what “Kerrs” edit already is and you have expanded on them…

I dug about in FOTR and found a better way to do the 1st half of the film which is much better structured but I’d be interested in seeing the extended versions as were originally intended.

That means the flash back in The Two Towers of Rivendell goes back to FOTR
Saurman is killed at the end of The Two towers not the start of ROTK

These two things would be the major things I would be looking for. Is it like this in Kerrs edits?

https://www.slashfilm.com/613297/the-best-guillermo-del-toro-characters-ranked/

Del Toro is thinking about asking Phil Tippet to help do at the mountains of Madness in stop motion and contemplating doing the whole film as a stop motion film.

Good idea I reckon.

Pre-Vis from scrapped at the mountains of madness a decade ago.

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/guillermo-del-toro-shares-at-the-mountains-of-madness-footage/

He’s considering agreeing to a PG-13 version which would still be good to se this project finally put to film yet If you are going to do a kid’s horror flick perhaps it should not be made at all? Or you produce a Harder R-Rated version as well as a softer kids version.

I think studios, although they do the numbers and economics. I can’t see hordes of kids flocking to an Antarctic Horror flick in their droves, so I’ll say no point on making kiddie horror flicks make proper horror flicks and be done with it.

Also to see this I think it’s a shoggoth? Nothing wrong with the design that’s pretty cool but if it was to be done this way it would have been pretty lame. Seeing to much of the creature no mystery about it’s form, the angles. It should be done in a way that rarely show’s the creature as a whole showing the various parts in a more close up fashion I feel. Anyway it’s a previz of a rig.

https://textualvariations.substack.com/p/lynch-dune-4hourcut

This is a very interesting article on the history of the many cut’s of Dune and the Unrealised and unknown Directors cut.

https://www.thepropgallery.com/dune-john-dykstras-visual-effects-breakdown-binder

Apogee (John Dykstra) production binder before they left the production and another Effects house Van der Veer took over

https://www.thepropgallery.com/dune-apogee-production-used-storyboards

Found the story board for Keynes (Max Von Sydow) death scene spice blow perhaps this was to go with the water of life from the baby worm scenes?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dune-465-storyboards-copy-private-1820640753

This site also has many storyboards and some real interesting ones too. Angels seen in Pauls Dream. Jessica floating in the water. It shows the hole on the Heighliner was meant to be where the Navigator was to come out obviously missing effects on that one too. Paul Atreides puking Earth wind and fire. Navigators swarming Pauls face There is some fascinating stuff there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExGnAHqWYAkVcvc.png

Fullmetaled said:

I wish the original film prints of the extended edition of the lord of the rings trilogy were out there and somebody could scan them in 4k and the cgi effects as well. so we’d get a release without digital tinkering and with a proper Dolby vision hdr grade. 😦

Yeah I kind of wish for that but the extended edits of the films are not the true extended edition and not how they were originally conceived.

Whilst not wanting to take anything away from Dr Dre’s work here… To assemble the original extended cuts of the films would be the holy grail to fans I think yet there is nothing that can be done about this as the deleted scenes are suppressed and remain under tight lock and key.

This is my reconstruction of the original prologue with the original music… However Gil Gallad is not included as how could I do that? But aside from that it’s not a bad attempt at restoring how it could have went before they chopped it up.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/lganhntmh5if2k4/One_Prologue_to_rule_them_all.mp4/file

I would hope if Dr Dre attempted the extended editions he would put a bit of a different hat on although there is only so much that could be done to restore the Original extended versions never released but something could be done it’s just a very tricky impossible thing but you could get it some of the way there. And some of the way there might bring the film makers back again 😃

SpookyDollhouse said:

Ronster said:

SpookyDollhouse said:

I feel if this actually got off the ground he’d inevitably reconstruct his 4 hour cut as it was before Fox went in and did their own thing. Cuz as we know they pushed him around on set but he did what he could in the editing room before the top dogs went “nope.” I don’t think anything SFX would get changed really. Lynch isn’t super into that sort of thing to be honest.

Whilst I agree with your sentiments the fact of the matter is let’s take for instance I think it’s the 6th Draft after the Jamis fight. The Fremen with paul and Jessica set out from the rocks at dawn and go to “Sietch Tabar” chani points whilst they walk in the desert and says (sorry if there is spelling mistake) “Sietch Tabar” So this relies on having an image of this place which they may or may not have filmed. Although you could say ok don’t include the scene because we don’t have the fantastical location that does not exist. Of course it can be remedied by creating it. These sorts of films are like chicken and the egg. You can argue all day which one came first but the reality is that the egg needs the chicken just as much as the chicken needs the egg.

A Special effects film needs special effects constantly and consistantly especially one like Dune with blue eyes roto in on loads of shots but the actors and the performances are just as important. The World is important and that is something Dune did tremendously well with it’s production design.

I think the amount of work it probably would requite is daunting but at the same time it makes it much more plausible that people would want to have a go because it would be a challenge and that makes it more credible. A challenge is something that people can get behind.

It’s a beautiful film and exists how it is and doesn’t “need” anything visually redone to it. I stand by the notion that all Lynch would do is restore his initial cut and leave the rest be. He might request some minor seam corrections like what recently happened to Poltergeist but that’s all I’d realistically see. Everything else is do-it-cuz-we-can-current-year brand presentism tbh.

I don’t mind you havig that opinion at all.

Did you read the Ron Miller Article? Where he says that the effects budget was totally chopped down before they had even started shooting the effects scenes…

The physical shoot was all in the can. He was one of the main artists on the shoot.

He said that there are key effect scenes missing. That is his opinion and from his knowledge of being there. Do you think David Lynch would put the Blue eyes on the Fremen and stuff or just not bother?

I think he would but I’d like to know why you think he would not color in the Fremen eyes blue like he did before?

I myself looked at this problem previously regarding Ron Millers Comments and how to try and not CGI the film or as little as possible…

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0lJoQSDKPas/YTJqGvv5QTI/AAAAAAABppY/aJDUJ0J7vAAVaZunZShSmKCD7aQyGhKoQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1978/Dune-1984-concept-art-Ron-Miller-01-1978x799.jpg

Production art of Caladan

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uXUIzttOji8/W90XRObPhFI/AAAAAAAAr-k/2n9P5mtR0cMbJRWxxKpBEbnKABqUl_5lgCKgBGAs/s640/The%2BIsland%2Bvlcsnap-00507.jpg

Good Match by original Special effects artist Albert Whitlock from “The Island”

The Way West by Albert Whitlock

https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc2Mjk0ODAwNzc2MzczNDIx/albert-whitlock-hollywood-matte-artist.jpg

Creating Sietch Tabar

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2091/3pvyixeomp8b929zg.jpg?size_id=a

These 2 I think were pretty good Ideas and it would retain the Albert Whitlock look whilst also creating shot’s that they may not have. I appreciate there could be rights issues over attempting something like this but I think it would be a better approach than CGI it’s a sort of pseudo CGI but for good reason and a good cause. Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures. So It’s possible to do things without going down some horrible revisionary crusade and try to fill any blanks in a modest and more genuine fashion whilst retaining the look of the original film.

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/178c/ayp9e4qth16qch8zg.jpg?size_id=5

This Ron Miller painting may have been the “Weather… See Storms” visual for the film book. I’m not sure but it would have been better with that I feel.

The Key Special effects… I don’t know what they are exactly but I have a strong feeling the Heighliners dissolving in simply as a transparent object is nothing like what Lynch had planned. I Believe that the Image of the Heighliner was to be projected on to a water tank and then you put a drop of water to disturb and distort the image until it settles. Then you take that footage and dissolve that blurred distorted Heighliner in with the water ripple effect over your matte painting of the destination. Thus creating or showing that displacement in time and space. There are shots in the film that do use this technique it simply was not applied to the Heighliner arriving at Arrakis.

Let’s look at the trip to Arrakis in more detail…

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--emqOm4S7qM/YTJqIRY-bHI/AAAAAAABppo/2nyUHwcAi008ucRAP1y1W2mrMOVkVIHUQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1979/Dune-1984-concept-art-Ron-Miller-07-1979x862.jpg

Here we can clearly see what Caladan was to look like.

https://preview.redd.it/pdvvqo9vyez71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=fd8a7f57f639207d8704e5396458435aa466d172

Here is the Original Painting from the film book.

So looking at the film this does not look correct at all in terms of Color.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gVEQRj_WJG4/maxresdefault.jpg

It’s almost as if that is also Arrakis in the background and if you were to travel without moving you would change everything around the Heighliner without touching the Matte painting of the Heighliner. So the one constant would be the tube like ship and everything else changes around it? Can you see what I mean it sort of feels like the whole way this sequence works is incorrect. It’s still lovely in it’s own right but I could see potentially a numerous different ways that this could of or should have gone.

Either the ship is the dissolving distorted object if you are at the location and it is arriving or if you “travel without moving” then all of the exterior planet elements distort and dissolve so everything else changes around the Heighliner vessel ship.

SpookyDollhouse said:

I feel if this actually got off the ground he’d inevitably reconstruct his 4 hour cut as it was before Fox went in and did their own thing. Cuz as we know they pushed him around on set but he did what he could in the editing room before the top dogs went “nope.” I don’t think anything SFX would get changed really. Lynch isn’t super into that sort of thing to be honest.

Whilst I agree with your sentiments the fact of the matter is let’s take for instance I think it’s the 6th Draft after the Jamis fight. The Fremen with paul and Jessica set out from the rocks at dawn and go to “Sietch Tabar” chani points whilst they walk in the desert and says (sorry if there is spelling mistake) “Sietch Tabar” So this relies on having an image of this place which they may or may not have filmed. Although you could say ok don’t include the scene because we don’t have the fantastical location that does not exist. Of course it can be remedied by creating it. These sorts of films are like chicken and the egg. You can argue all day which one came first but the reality is that the egg needs the chicken just as much as the chicken needs the egg.

A Special effects film needs special effects constantly and consistantly especially one like Dune with blue eyes roto in on loads of shots but the actors and the performances are just as important. The World is important and that is something Dune did tremendously well with it’s production design.

I think the amount of work it probably would requite is daunting but at the same time it makes it much more plausible that people would want to have a go because it would be a challenge and that makes it more credible. A challenge is something that people can get behind.

If we go by the actual pacing employed on the actual Werewolf shot’s it’s a pretty sure thing that it would be pretty much over in a flash and a “Jump Scare” what ever it was. The Outtakes of the wolf running through Picadilly put text all over them rather than leave them as raw. That to me says the following.

1. They don’t want that footage being used by people to make their own versions of the film.
2. They might actually want to do it themselves one day

The Wheelbarrow Werewolf shot with a guy palming along in a suit is pretty impressive and it goes quite a while possibly the longest in duration of the wolf, and I guess they know the very things we have been talking about.

Request “We want a bit more of the Wolf!”

“Ok, but It’s our Wolf not yours”

Bit of a Bummer too really.

Well the point of the transformation scene was to break the mold entirely and do it like it’s never been done so yeah good shout on it perhaps being less bright but that really was the challenge not to hide in the shadows and be really shocking and not be tied into that cliche of following a standard horror formula.

And going back to the Alex Kitner raft plan view shot… Obviously the Silhouette would not have been Bruce mechanical shark but probably hand drawn animation of the Silhouette.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWglVLx5mp8

But I hope that sort of helps explain my views on less is more until you end up with actually less than you should have… Happens all the time though using other footage to cover up what you don’t have or can’t have or simply can not get to work.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the shot of the Raft underwater only that we stay on that for far too long and the Music does not match as it’s building we needed to change perspective about 3 or 4 times in the build up to the sad moment Alex Kitners life is taken. That does not mean we need to see anymore gore either only that the Pacing is way off and it seems they had no alternatives.

Yeah "bullshit’ I contemplated getting an old VHS and then just understood there was no point… There won’t be any differences except the red phone booth scene seemed to be omitted in some versions where he calls home to America. In other versions it was reinstated.

But those small little extra shots do feel pretty genuine although I think or atleast it looks like they shot it and then changed the design of the werewolf a bit? I think Rick Baker ended up modeling it a bit off of his pet dog in the final iteration. So I think there could be some truth that it was trimmed a bit but only like as in that clip.

So to make the actual thing work in terms of continuity it would require giving the werrwolf either a bit of a face lift or perhaps simply darkening the shot. It works that bit better I feel with the small werewolf snippets. It is a good conversation this because it highlights how delicate film making is and how a single shot can really change a scene for better or for worse. Similarly getting the music and the sound right are equally important. I think Landis made a good choice to not have Elmer Bersteins “Metamorphasis” score however it seems to me that it works amazingly at the start especiallly the hand stretching part. It is possible that a simple shot of a Radio in the flat was needed to transition to “blue moon” so both would be included. Starting Intense and then the more satirical black comedy element. You never know with these sorts of things. I reckon it would have been a “Roberts Radio” if that was the idea.

Anyway this film in terms of actually requiring these changes it is not the case. It could be a small bit better but not by much.

Restoring Dune or even I suppose Reconstructing Dune would be a massive undertaking in comparison. It is possibly more complicated than “The Good the Bad the Ugly” and “Lawrence of Arabia” combined.

But if we consider “AWIL” I think yearning to see a bit more of Rick Bakers wolf Is natural, but only a slight bit more I think would have been good.

With Dune the same principle needs to be applied only a slight bit more. If any CGI reconstruction absolutely has to happen to make it work then it should look of the time and be seemless. I don’t think anyone wants another Star Wars on there hands altough both films are showing that disjointed lack of Special effect. The less of it employed the better only what is needed with zero ectravagence.

Showing less is sometimes more but less can also be truly less. If we take for instance Jaws which truly did a good job of less is more except the Alex Kitner death scene. Instead of the camera coming closer to the raft underwater this was meant to be a plan view of the raft and the Silhouette of the shark circling around. The same technique is employed in Dune when Atreidies reach Arrakis. Instead of the big scale shots we end up with “the prophecy” a lesser incarnation of what it was intended to be. So when you replace the big scale vast shots you end up with truly less. That is a fact.

The only other Special effect dropped from jaws was to have Chief Brody reflected in the sharks Black eye.

Otherwise I think Jaws got the balance about right and the shark not working was a gift.

Hmmm yes Jenny was quite a rose was’nt she 😃

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doveZaHMj2U

The Film so Badly needs a complete soundtrack release I think perhaps with a bit of Audio Book Dialogue or Something.

Well I suppose we can deviate a bit from Lynch and Dune.

Here is the things I found recently regarding American Werewolf…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2RdEQ3GhyY

^ Teaser Trailer

Here is a Version of the Tramp scene with some stuff changed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJQ0UXfK-Mg

I think that is pretty good to be honest

This next one was ok but it needed to trimmed down properly to include the werewolf before he says “Good Lord…”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFkpEiWf3rE

• The Subway Kill Re-Edit like the BLack and white shot needs coloring in though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bbmLnu2g8I

^Elmer Bernstein Score Metamorphasis alternate taken from Michael Jacksons Thriller also directed by Landis and scored by Bernstein

Yes the things you mention also sound interesting about the Glowing Eyes and the Attack on the Moors and the copper in the gutter… I think the same thing was meant to be in the Subway Tunnel the glowing eyes.

Songs that were requested to be in the film but refused rights

Cat Stevens “Moon Shadow” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c49aDWrzeA
Bob Dylan “Blue Moon” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNZNxcW80es

The Ominous Warren Zevon “werewolves of London” Fit’s right in too how in the hell was that not in also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qae25976UgA

The Meco Albumn impressions of an American werewold in London included Alice Cooper “No more mister nice guy” aswell as an orchestration called “the boys” which is fantastic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFg2VirraLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR1jTaZILTM

You guessed It I really like the Audio stuff but yeah there you go 😃