Ronster

I think this is quite interesting.

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1605650/how-star-wars-rogue-one-could-have-played-out-very-differently-according-to-ben-mendelsohn

Ben Mendelson does not go into any detail but says there were around 20 - 30 scenes that could have played out totally differently going by some of the things we have seen and not seen I’d say that it rings true.

I just had the Ultimate Visual guide delivered today It’s actually quite a god book. I have only been flicking through it. One of the interesting things that has grabbed my attention is some sort of cutting tool that the storm troopers would have been using to try and get to Jyn and Cassian in the Vault.

There is definitely a few bones and tidbits of info in it alluding to things we did not get to see. As others have stated a lot of made up stuff in there in terms of story.

I definitely like the Land speeder for the Galen Family on Lahmu called the Family Clunker raised an eyebrow. Something again that must have taken ages not only to design but also to build. Can’t remember seeing a land speeder

So much cool stuff that unfortunately we did not see in the film. My mind seriously boggles about it.

These guys are not covered in the slightest though, I have a feeling they might be have been commandeered and used in another film?

I think this should perhaps be the music instead of Star Wars theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuJhRe7x0fc

Well the next one is apparently going to be a western and something else hybrid they said heist again but I think western is solid.

A very small deleted scene in Empire Strikes back we are yet to see. The Blu-ray released in 2011 deleted scenes followed the 5th draft script to the very word but as you followed on through the script there was a scene with Carrie (Princess Leia).

While Han & Chewie were trying to fix the Millennium Falcon in a hap hazzard way sparks flying and Han screaming at Chewie “Turn it off! Turn it off!”

Leia walks past them gives Han a look and says “What a screw up” and then continues on to where the pilots are waiting to be briefed about the imminent attack.

Just Brilliant. And I would assume that does exist and I can hear her say it too.

But my favorite deleted scene in all that has been released from the Original Star Wars films is Han & Leia’s extended first Kiss on the Falcon.

Goes to show you how brilliant she was. And how well she played the part.

darthrush said:
Very good crawl but the third paragraph is far too long.

STAR WARS

ROGUE ONE

The Jedi are all but extinct, the Senate is crumbling and in their wake, the Galactic Empire has engulfed the far reaches of the galaxy in fear by command of the EMPEROR.

A sinister Imperial plot to fracture the Republic has weakened any democratic solution in search of peace. Only members of the secret REBEL ALLIANCE dare make a stand against the ruthless Imperial regime.

As the shadow of the Empire looms ever larger across the galaxy, so do deeply troubling rumors. It is said a machine of unimaginable destructive power is nearing completion. A weapon too terrifying to contemplate and a threat that may be too great to overcome…

Shortened and edited version.

Anchorhead said:

Tobar said:

Ronster said:

Yeah the Dr Evanzan and Walrusman Cameo felt really forced in there… But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman.

You’re reading way too much into the visual guide. This is on par with believing The Tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina novel is a detailed account of a bunch of cut scenes from Star Wars.

Agreed. WAY too much. They’re in there as a call-back, not as some sort of remnant where they were part of the plot. As far as They were obviously thinking about doing some work on Luke; that’s ridiculous. In 1977 they were just two tough guys in a bar. Nothing more. All that "Tales From…’ BS was just a weird aggregate of authors trying to invent backstories for what amounts to the extras in the cantina scene decades after the fact.

Two of the stories were really interesting, some were ok, several were forgettable, and two were terrible. The Evazon and Ponda story was one of them. Giving them names was silly. Creating a 1950s-style horror film backstory was even more so.

You know in that shot that never made it into the film of the Rebel Pilots being marched by storm troopers… Well there are a number of Market Stalls in the street. One of them was a Cafe and that is where that woman with the Hard drive in her heard would have appeared. It’s not a sub-plot but it’s similar to the cantina in so much as you meet a lot of weird wonderful characters. Except there is a theme involved. of people being altered by cybernetics. The other Alien was the fat one with his intestines showing.

You can probably expect something as small as this.

Jyn “What’s up with her?”

Cassian “She is a Slave”

Jyn “Who would do something like that?”

Cassian “Empire Technology, Some are made by the Empire others have stolen the technology and charge a lot on the black market if you want Slaves that will never argue”

It really would be something as small as that.

would you really go to all the trouble of creating those 2 characters and at a large price. It’s there to explain Empire Technology I think. And touch on Slavery.

My conservetive estimate this woman on the food stall cafe the troops being marched through the street and a bounty hunter Tracking Dr Evanzan other shots of weird aliens / people a shuttle landing in the city (Tank is delivering shipment to the shuttle) is about 3 minutes. It’s expository.

It’s not a sub-plot. Wait for the Blu-ray to hopefully see Neal Scanlons great work he did.

lovelikewinter said:

Fuck off and die 2016.

RIP Carrie Fisher.

Liz Smith
George Michael
Rick Parfitt
David Bowie
Alan Rickman
Gene Wilder
Kenny Baker
Anton Yelcin
Mohammed Ali
Prince
Victoria Wood
David Guest
Ronnie Corbett
Paul Daniels
Terry Wogan

Seriously there are more than that. But this year has to be the worst year ever for celebrity death.

I thought Carrie was going to make it when they reported her in stable condition.

it’s on the news. She has sadly gone. Bless her.

George Lucus and John Landis are good mates.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Am I the only one that likes the prologue scene? Krennic alone makes the whole thing awesome with his reactions to Lyra’s fake death.

No I really like it but it’s not an opening shot to a star wars film. It’s a flashback, and a flashback is all it will ever be. But It’s essential to the film but it just does not go at the start that is for sure.

STAR WARS

ROGUE ONE

The Jedi are all but extinct, the Senate is crumbling and in their wake, the Galactic Empire has engulfed the far reaches of the galaxy in fear by command of the EMPEROR.

Persecuted members of the Republic have been thrust into hiding. Only members of the REBEL ALLIANCE dare make a stand against the ruthless Imperial regime.

As the shadows of the Empire loom ever larger across the galaxy, so do deeply troubling rumors. The Rebellion has learned of a sinister Imperial plot to bring entire worlds to their knees. Deep in Empire-dominated space, a machine of unimaginable destructive power is nearing completion. A weapon too terrifying to contemplate and a threat that may be too great to overcome…

I think that the main problem with having an opening crawl is that you DO NOT start with the prologue clip (Lahmu).

That is the major mistake everyone seems to be making. And it certainly was not the original opening shot to the movie. It’s a lame opening.

If you have the opening crawl and then open on a shot of the Dish being fitted (Seriously this is a wow factor sequence) on the death star then all the problems are solved. Although Jyn is the main character and Galen her father is helping to build the Death Star. They should not be mentioned in an opening crawl. They should not be focused on what so ever. Only the Broad themes of the Republic the Empire and the Rebel alliance.

The opening prologue is just a flashback and it should not have opened the film. The Death Star Dish being fitted is of the caliber of an opening shot though.

^…^ said:

• There is an after credit shot on youtube; a mouse-droid-visual of a corridor, and a lightsaber; according to many, it is just a fake.

That was probably a teaser for Rogue One that was meant to play after the force awakens. Bit too well done to be fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbaYBZwQ-4Q

^…^ said:

Don’t know if someone has noted (and posted) this before, but there is a chance Chirrut was a Jedi once - and somehow he has not the power of the Force anymore (maybe because to an accident which made him blind, or he made a sort of “vote” as monk… who knows?); if not, how could a normal blind human being (apart Daredevil) do the sort of things he does, and, why the handle of his wood stick is dangerously similar to a lightsaber (that isn’t working anymore, but he still put it on some use)?

just a speculation, I know…

He has a Kyber Crystal in the End of his stick. He can Hear the Crystals not see them. Nobody knows how he wen’t blind.

I think he may have looked too long into one of those “Brightest Star’s that have hearts of Kyber”

He has incredible hearing. The Guardians of the Whills were trained fighters.

Alderaan said:

Fair point, Ronster. I guess we don’t know either way, but it’s unfortunate the way it turned out.

if it had been included it brings a whole new meaning to

“He does’nt like you… I don’t like you either”

“You’ll be Dead!”

They were obviously thinking about doing some work on Luke.

Check this

http://movieweb.com/rogue-one-deleted-scenes-rejected-concepts-video/

Alderaan said:

Ronster said:
But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman. All in all the sequence is cut down by about 3 - 5 minutes probably.

For me, what I keep coming back to is whether or not any of this fits into a narrative or could even be part of a film. If you have a story where Jyn is the main character, then why would it ever be necessary to spend 5 minutes following around some random weirdos on a tangent that is irrelevant to the main story?

That’s probably why it got cut and none of these gratuitous cameos should have even been in the film in the first place. Mon Mothma and Bail Organa? Absolutely. Tarkin and Vader? Possibly. But Dr. Evanzan and Walrusman? And R2D2 and C3PO? And another droid babbling about the odds of…something…why are these things in the movie? What possible creative vision could ever find room for nonsense like this in a well-told original narrative?

And the answer I keep getting stuck on is that it’s still about Lucasfilm and now Disney selling toys.

It’s tricky because it fit’s in a narrative where Jyn Cassian and K2-SO did not leave for Jedha alone. Or if they left alone there was also a squad of x-wings that set off for Jedha also. This sequence very much plays out with the x-wing pilots being marched through the streets also that we saw running out of Yavin Base. They are some of the same pilots. Gary Whitta is also one of those pilots.

The point is considering that the whole brief plot point got cut Dr.Evanzan and Walrus man feel completely forced in the film. When in a previous version there inclusion was probably more natural. The same probably goes for C3-P0 and R2-D2 having their time cut short. Vader meeting Krennic at the start of the film. you can go on and on about what should have been kept and what should have stayed but the main point is. A lot of those moments probably feel the way they do because they were not given enough time for them to feel more natural rather than now they feel shoved in as fan service.

The moment Jyn bumps in to Dr Evanzan is the start of the Tank Battle sequence. It was probably easier to keep it than get rid of all of it. But the Decraniated might have looked a bit too disturbing also. There is one guy without a head and you can see all his intestines also. So there is also other factors to consider not to mention the woman missing the top half of her head with a hard drive stuck in her face.

Dr Evanzan’s technology / surgery probably has some connection to the Death Troopers. Although the Death Troopers were way ahead of the decraniated slave bot’s

SilverWook said:

For all the fuss over the new TIE designs, they didn’t appear too much. I presume the death troopers were like Krennic’s personal guard, and were not very numerous. I think the speakers in their helmets were set to Darph Nader though. 😉

Several locations in the movie were giving me Dark Forces and Jedi Outcast flashbacks. Paging Kyle Katarn!

Dr. Evazan and Walrusman cameo was kind of gratuitous. And the not so good Doctor didn’t really look like himself. If this had been a prequel cameo, it might have worked, but this is like five minutes before the orignal film. I appreciated the less obvious cameos much more.

The Death troopers are Cyborgs so they are literally dead troops with computers in their brains! I think it’s quite funny when you find out these little tidbits.

Yeah the Dr Evanzan and Walrusman Cameo felt really forced in there… But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman. All in all the sequence is cut down by about 3 - 5 minutes probably.

More of Moroff! More of Moroff! More of Moroff!

I tried to create a list of a possible alternate first act. It is worth reading the whole thread Rogue Zero.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1022955

The first Act is probably about 50% - 70% re-shoot and the Planet Wobani was added very Late in editing.

It would seem that Wobani was originally on Jedha and the shot of K2-SO saying “The Captain say’s you are a friend I will not kill you” go together in an edit Bin that was scrapped.

Jyn aboard the transport being rescued was resurrected from the cut’s and Wobani was created in place of an old version of Jedha and Jyn being rescued there.

That is all we can figure out at the momment until more information becomes available. It is still guesswork at the moment but educated guesswork.

alexp120 said:

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980)
Here is the first frame of this shot from the release print (00:41:33).

Notice the position of R2’s red light on his dome in relation to his barrel.

On Harmy’s Despecialized Edition, here is the first frame of this same shot (00:41:33). Now look where his red light is.

This frame and 3 others, seen below, did not show up on the release print.

Our own Mavimao gave a detailed description on the process of creating release prints from the camera negative which you can read here, but here is my version of the process in a nutshell:

• In a film processing lab, technician takes reels of the original camera negatives and cuts them into pieces
• Technician edits the pieces together to match the edited work print
• Technician takes edited camera negative and makes a high quality print of it called an interpositive
• Interpositive can either be used to make release prints, or, for safety, make a negative out of that print called an internegative and use the internegative to make release prints.

I would think that the interpositive would be used for both theatrical runs and for home video releases. If so, why are frames from the edited camera negative left-out from the release prints but appear in the home video versions.

• Did the lab’s equipment, somehow, overlook certain frames from the camera negative when making the interpositive?
• Are the procedures for distributing a film different between making a release print and a home video master that frames get missing in the release print?

Please enlighten me.
Thanks.

That Sequence post Luke Crashing on Dagobah was cut and spliced differently in editing. If you listen you can hear the sound mix repeat the sound of R2-D2 beeoo beep in cockpit (Are you alright?) and then then twice again. There was meant to be a small exchange between Luke and R2 through Luke’s x-wing translator module.

The scene’s were re-arranged from being on the close up first then pulling out to the wide matte painting later (at a guess)

I don’t know the exact answer I am sorry but it was “Changed” and cut differently after the sound mix had been completed. Hence the sound mix is repeated (re-used) and is a sort of error or if you like left over from it being re-edited.

Not sure about the release print but it is more evidence for the re-cut made there.

Just saw this news… I hope she is fine. Like you lot said what a bad year for losing great celebrities irreplaceable ones.

I hope it does not come to pass.

Writer Gary Whittah just said he had a role as an x-wing pilot but it was cut from the film. I hope we get to find out about all those cut pilots do you remember seeing the Bigg’s and Porkins look a likes?

Also it’s been explained that Chirrutt can not see the Kyber Crystals but he can hear them. Which I think is quite interesting as I was wondering how he knew Jyn was wearing one. We now know that he senses them through his enhanced hearing as the emit a harmoic resonance.

So it’s nice to know still want their back story mind I thought Baze and Chirrut were great.

Here is a fun spot too.

https://twitter.com/CanadianFanboy/status/811578562239152129/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Seeing Shot’s of Jyn in a cell on Yavin leads me to believe of an alternate configuration to the film again speculation but the Jigsaw puzzle and connecting the dot’s a bit better.

This was at one time a possible configuration.

Opening Crawl
Death Star Dish is fitted (True opening to the film Wow Factor shot)
Krennic bumps in to Vader on the Star Destroyer with Tarkin “The power we are dealing with here is immeasurable”
(Yavin IV) Jyn in a cell (Flashback to Galen on Lahmu)
Cassian (Planet X) Ring of Kafene
Yavin IV Reveal as Cassian’s ship returns home
Jyn Marched out in Shackles
Received an Imperial Coded transmission Mon Mothmna Bail talk with Jyn a mission is Launched
Bail and Dodonna in the Hanger talk to a large group of Pilots
Jyn Cassian and a squad of x-wings go to Jedha. (Zal Dinnes)
Jyn’s Flash back to a younger version Saw (prior to Geonosis injuries) Not Coruscant or mention of Stardust
Bodhi Rook defects - Now when we see “Saw” in the present day we are shocked how much he has changed from when we have just seen him in Jyn’s flashback

This totally does away with the need for place names of the Planets and would be told in a traditional Star Wars style.

Now so far as the squad of x-wings going to Jedha goes I think it’s a small skirmish but more than likely a diversion so that Cassian and Jyn and K2-SO can land without being spotted and remain in secret. As how would the Rebel pilots be marched through the streets so It was a diversion and then a surrender possibly.

If you look at the new locations Featurette here you can clearly see Jyn and Cassian go with the pilgrims to Jedha city with the Jedha Camels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzY8Mi4G04g

There is also the ominous shot of the storm trooper on the cliff that spot’s something through his binoculars. So between the time Jyn and cassian make it to Jedha city the x-wing squadron or what is left of them have surrendered and are being carted off by the storm troopers. I also feel this is where the probe droid might feature a bit more heavily as it’s possible Jyn and Cassian were tracked by a probe droid on their trip to Jedha with the pilgrims after the Storm Trooper spot’s them.

This then would lead to an expanded version of being in Jedha city the minor theme of the Bounty hunter tracking Dr Evanzan and our introduction to the decraniated. Then the Tank battle ensues.

Jyn and Cassian are arrested (No K2-SO) Baze and chirrut free them but then Saws men capture them all.

Resume film with a few extra scenes of the Partisans fleeing the destruction on Jedha and expanded scenes in Saw’s Base.
Saw is disuasive to Jyn to carry on Fighting and recounts a story of a Demon and why he is in the poor state of Health he is in…Possibly delving into the Geonosis story that is if there is any truth to these rumors. Cue Flash Back to Geonosis and then BOOM!

Until we find out Saw’s missing scenes we won’t know how this thing really got a bit muddled especially at the start of the film.

Basically if and that’s a big if Saw had scenes on Geonosis then that could change everything. Either it was a flashback or it was done like a prologue and then the main titles.

I think if it were Flashbacks though then the original opening of the film put’s the first shot of the film as the Death Star Dish being fitted that was originally the opening sequence. We then would cut to Yavin and Jyn in a cell there.

This was at one time a possible configuration.

Opening Crawl
Death Star Dish is fitted (True opening to the film Wow Factor shot)
Krennic bumps in to Vader on the Star Destroyer with Tarkin “The power we are dealing with here is immeasurable”
(Yavin IV) Jyn in a cell (Flashback to Galen on Lahmu)
Cassian (Planet X) Ring of Kafene
Yavin IV Reveal as Cassian’s ship returns home
Jyn Marched out in Shackles
Recieved an Imperial Coded transmission Mon Mothmna Bail talk with Jyn a mission is Launched
Bail and Dodonna in the Hanger talk to a large group of Pilots
Jyn Cassian and a squad of x-wings go to Jedha. (Zal Dinnes)
Bodhi Rook Defects

This totally does away with the need for place names of the PLanets and would be told in a traditional Star Wars style.

DigMod said:

You could insert a hyperspace effect and have it end on Jyn waking up in the cell as if it was a dream.

There is scenes of Jyn in a cell on Yavin with her Handcuffs on so it might be that she had her flashback on Yavin Base,

“Can you be trusted without your shackles?”

Basically until someone goes over the re-shoot story we won’t really know how different the original cut was. The Novel has a pretty good synopsis like a crawl too.

"As the shadows of the Empire loom ever larger across the galaxy, so do deeply troubling rumors. The Rebellion has learned of a sinister Imperial plot to bring entire worlds to their knees. Deep in Empire-dominated space, a machine of unimaginable destructive power is nearing completion. A weapon too terrifying to contemplate . . . and a threat that may be too great to overcome. "

luckydube56 said:

Fans too often attempt to make the individual films integrate perfectly with each other and identify what they consider bugs in the plot or with technicalities.

Sure…if Vader can just lift bodies in the air like in Rogue One, why didnt he simply lift Luke as he attempted to fall into Cloud City’s central chasm?

A alternate Version of the scene where Vader tell’s Luke I am your father. When he refuses to join him he choked him Forced lifted him up in the air and threw him down the chasm. That was a version though that never made it in the film.

But you can see Vader with his hand high up in the air (Lifting Luke) in one of the trailers and slamming it down. Which would have been the force throw down that Wind tunnel.

He may not have been Luke’s Dad in that version though. There’s art for Luke being Lifted up also.

I think If you’ve got a twitchy eye no leg’s and a pair of iron lungs like Saw then you definitely had a brush with Vader.

I think you could spend ages picking the plot apart but it’s an enjoyable film.

I am just very curious about the whole plot set-up and how it was tinkered with. I don’t mind the tinkering result. But when you know something was changed or altered you can not help but feel, was how it was changed for the better or for the worst.

Some stuff could have been better perhaps in the first cut while other aspects no doubt were improved upon also.

My current thinking is the whole start was restructured and re-shot. Middle stayed pretty much in tact. The ending was condensed and perhaps tinkered with also slightly. That is my gut feeling on it.