Ronster

^…^ said:

Thanks guys!

First a brief preamble: it is NOT possible to restore perfect colors from a black and white image (or video). Period.

Said that, and as I’ve written before, I’m not going to colorize by hand thousand frames (this is the only way to achieve a great, almost perfect result). So first I used the only avisynth filter that tries to guess how to colorize a b&w picture; it’s a nice filter, but, as this is a simple one, that could rely solely on its own, results are usually quite bad. (this doesn’t mean I don’t like the filter, at the contrary; and the author did a good job, you know that…)

The only other logical way IMHO is to use neural network; here results are better, but dependent on many factors; I used one of the websites that offer this service for free; unfortunately, I have first to export each frame as a picture, then load it in the website one by one, by hand, wait for the conversion, save the colorized one, rescale at the proper size, and use it as a chroma plane. Now you know why I wanted to make a test clip first, using just few frames as reference…

I guess if there is some software (now available) that accepts a b&w picture, and a color picture for reference, and tries to recolor the b&w following the reference… I don’t think so…

About quality: I’m aware that’s pretty bad, but you have to trust me that this result is the LESS WORSE… all the others were so ugly in comparison, so now you can understand a bit better.

So, this is one of the options we have for the b&w scenes. I wrote about those before, but I’ll refrain them again here:

1. leave it untouched, in b&w - don’t like this option at all
2. recolor by hand, good to perfect results - the best, but, until some volunteer wanted to make the job, it could not be considered
3. recolor by automatic software, bad to decent results, like the following one, used for the test - at the moment, I think it’s the best option, a right compromise
   
4. a “trick” like the one used by TMBTM in his War of the Stars II - where the frames have big shades of one or two colors - of which the following is the best one - I can see the point of his choice, and it worked pretty well in a way; still prefer less-than-perfect recolors, though!
   
5. other ways like simulation of Biocolor or KinemaColor is out of question…
6. do further options exist? If so, please let me know!

The fact is, there are many edits around with the b&w scenes inserted untouched (AFAIK all not even cleaned); the only attempt at recolor them is TMBTM’s edit; yes, better than the b&w version, but still not what I aim to.

At the end, until a crazy fan would step in and declares that he/she could recolor them by hand, or using a NASA-kind of supercomputer that will guess almost perfectly the colors, or some sort of miracles, I guess the less of the evil is to continue with the path of automatic colorization.

Last words: pick all the deleted scenes, shots, outtakes and so on, and throw them in the films as they are is quite easy. But it’s not what I’d like to achieve. A perfecly inserted version with all the shots cleaned as film? An impossible task for fan users like us. The right compromise, that’s what I would like to obtain. Is restored blue screen shot like “Bail Organa” perfect? Nope. But is good enough to be used. Is the Dooku extended duel (a mere 3 second shot) perfect? Far from it! But it’s the best version available, so it’s OK. Are those colorized scene perfect? Of course not. But should work better than an out-of-place b&w version. Again, everything IMHO.

Ideas, opinions, critics?

I think there is only one deleted scene in Black and white that really, really should be restored in full color.

I think all effort should be made to get that particular scene that is in Black and white done and done proper.

Han & Leia extended kiss Empire strikes back.

Honestly you could take or leave the rest. you could probably get away with Coloring Luke a sort of Cyan trying to hold on in the Rancor pit again a bit of trickery like TMBTM and use some clever ideas to “Get away with it” actually looking at what TMBTM did actually the blue and the Red should be the other way round sort of… I would go with a Red Bacta Tank as it was originally meant to be Red and is red in the background in a few shots so again no real issues.

Say if you wanted to do general Veers Death you could simply color in the cockpit of the AT-AT red like an alarm was going off. And seeing has they occasionaly have red cockpits it’s not gong to be a massive issue for anyone.

^…^ said:

UPDATES

• First colorize test is ready: https://vimeo.com/198782608

A LOT rough, but I made this just to know how good could be the recolorization process, using just few cclored frames and repeat them for static parts, and create interpolated ones for moving parts; if you think this result is achieved with just 7 colored frames on 237, it is quite good! Probably, to have a very good result, a frame every 10 (or probably less) is needed - hope to NOT be forced to recolor every single frame…

Only color correction test - nothing else, no cleaning as you can clearly see!

Feedbacks are needed as usual.

good Effort.

If you get a result like that from 7 frames yeah I think you know the answer you need to spread those colored frames across the footage.

You could easily get away with simply masking off the Tank and coloring that and treat the rest of the shot separate for Luke.

For any shots from Han Leia and the droids you would have to do them without any cheating. I would imagine C3-P0 would be well difficult to do!!!

darthrush said:

Of course this comes down to Ady but I’m in full support Ronster. Sounds like a wonderful idea!

I don’t want to over step the mark but I will drop a small tester of what the color correction I have done looks like for the cockpit shots(Which can I please also re-itterate this is a problem with the film not a problem created by revisited).

I have also gone as far as to split screen color correct to fix the jumpsuits but keep revisited elements in the correct colors.

I have also created a new shot as a replacement to try and fix the perspective issue. I am all good apart from this one shot in the edit. As you can see I am not in any sort of competition with Ady’s skills in special effects. I’d even go as far to either say hope you like the idea but I’ll probably have to ditch that fly by destruction shot. But it’s fine as an idea.

for any other shots added I have found footage to achieve what I wanted to do and It looks a good match and works.

I think if Ady stays silent then I won’t mention it again but I certainly am not doing anything evil. I’d love him to do something with that one shot though (wink).

Test Clip

https://vimeo.com/198824692

BTW Vimeo put the audio out of synch

MalàStrana said:

Ronster said:
But I won’t Share it without your permission.

Don’t forget to ask GL permission as well.

Fair point but reminding him of what color the Rebels Jumpsuits should be? I don’t think I have ever seen it look so good until I did this hue alteration. It makes a huge difference for a small thing.

Ady did a lot of good work on the color and although like I said I looked at the original first that had an awful lot of Blue and green that was hard to get rid of. Most of which Ady had already done so it was an easy go to version and less work to be honest. Because I wanted to see that change most of all. Everything else I have done is just some fluff some shots restored and some tightening on the original to be honest. But some good to varying (due to my skill with video) amounts of Fluff 😃

If anything I wanted to at least say what I found that makes a “good” big difference.

I hope Ady agrees to let me share it.

Because of “Rogue One” it has made me very interested in the original film again. I watched the original Battle of Yavin and then I watched the Revisited Version.

I then set about Color Correcting the Original Version just for fun and then I noticed the Pilots Jumpsuits keep changing color and a lot of the Cockpit shots of all the Rebel Pilots have moments where they are in the wrong Hue.

But I then thought hang on… I prefer the Battle of Yavin in ANH Revisited in a lot of Ways but I also like the Original in a lot of ways too. But I noticed the pilots Jumpsuits were still off in a lot of shots in Revisited.

I am currently putting together a version of the Battle of Yavin with Extra shots and alterations using Revisited as the main source but it’s going to be expanded in certain areas and cut in different areas restoring quite a few original shots and basically I am working on a Re-Hash of the Battle of Yavin ONLY and have done color correction on a large number of shots to sort the Jumpsuits out and also various other shots.

My question is. Do you mind if I share it when it’s finished? There is no Disrespect towards your work here at all in the slightest. I think I have made a number of Changes that are enhancing things slightly in different areas and making a sort of unusual Hybrid. It’s still quite a way off from being finished I’d say about 65-70% done I have quite a few ideas and I am just having some fun no intention of a serious all bells and whistles Project.

If you want me to be more specific about what I am doing then I can be. If you want me to share it with you first then I don’t have a problem with that either so as you can give it a thumbs up or thumbs down (Even in it’s current unfinshed state). It’s just a bit of fun. But I won’t Share it without your permission.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

1. The beginning with the added introductory sequences to Jyn, Cassian, and Bohdi; it originally cut from the flashback to the briefing sequence, which, as per the original teaser, had more explicit verbal exposition of Jyn’s character which became redundant when she was given an action-packed introduction. K2-SO was also introduced further down the line, as seen in an early trailer: “The Captain says you are a friend.”

2. Saw’s stuff was retooled with Saw now having a different appearance. It’s possible Bor Gullet was added (not sure either way). But, predominantly, this was because Jyn’s character arc may have been changed in reshoots (more on that down below). Note how his prevailing message in the teaser is negative towards Jyn pursuing rebellion: “What will you become if you continue to fight?” instead of the completely opposite positive message in the finished film actually encouraging Jyn to join the rebellion’s cause: “Save the rebellion. Save the dream.”

3. The heist of the Death Star plans was heavily truncated in order to avoid bloating the third act when the space battle was heavily expanded. This included such simplifications as making the archive and the transmitter in the same building on Jedha. You can see the original transmitter building (to where the crew was running) in some shots in the trailer. Most definitely reshot was the confrontation between Jyn and Krennic (possibly happened on the beach originally); the effects get ropey enough that it seems they were composited in.

This all does not discount alternate shots, also confirmed by the official narrative (particularly Ben Mendhelson’s interview about lots of alternate takes), which can be chalked up to Gareth Edward’s knack for experimentation. They’d play a scene radically different ways (eg. Krennic pulling a blaster to Tarkin’s face) and pick the best result.

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1. With Regard to K2-SO that line “The Captain says you are a friend I will not Kill you” Could just as easily replace the Comedy Grenade toss over the shoulder… So if you look at the Background it clearly changes so it is a different set on the K2-S0 grenade toss it could be that is simply the insert. And K2-SO was meant to come to the city?

But that does not help explain Jyn and cassian being arrested for real by the storm troopers. So perhaps there are quite a few alternatives

2. Bor Gullet was originally conceived to delve in to Jyn’s past not to find out if Bodhi Rook was telling the truth. From Concept art book.

3. Yeah I think heavily truncated and paired down with cut’s (The Vault, Krennic on the beach) softened and plot alterations. Another shot to pay attention to is the Death troopers deaparting their transport. It looks off. Considering the original cut used modified cargo containers for these type of shots I would guess that is a digital insert. The death troopers would have departed with Krennic.

I still don’t believe that tie fighter on the gantry was ever a marketing shot. It was like that before they developed the Tie-Strikers no doubt. I don’t see the point in lying about it. It’s actually a fairly small thing although it was visually superior in the trailer. My gut feeling tells me Jyn had a mexican stand off with that Tie Fighter and shot the pilot through the glass with her blaster. That’s my speculation on it.

bishabosha said:

Not sure if off-topic but look at this test footage for Guy Henry:

What are Princess Leia and Governer Tarkin doing together again?

Bingowings said:

I would remove all instances of Yavin V being named so should you watch ANH next you might think Leia cracked and gave the name of the base away when she gives Tarkin Dantooine as a vain attempt to spare Alderaan.

You are right, very good point indeed!

doubleofive said:

timdiggerm said:

• The film originally went directly from young Jyn being rescued by Saw to Jyn being taken before the Rebels to be sent to Jedha, with no introductory scene for Cassian and no rescue on Wobani.

The article says that the next time we see Jyn was at her interrogation, not necessarily that it was the next scene. There could have been other scenes before then, but not her flashback with Saw (Young Jyn vs Younger Jyn), of course.

In the Collectors edition Magazine there is a photo of Jyn In shackles in a Cave type Area in Yavin. This is where she Is I think before they marched her out in shackles.

They try to make it sound like she was having a flashback while mon mothma was talking to them.

Please also read the Jabez Olsen interview. the first assembly was 3 hours.

Interesting though Vault door closing?

Since when did that happen?

I think the Storm troopers were trying to cut their way to the Vault like they are the robbers while Jyn and Cassian are locked inside stealing the plans so when the storm troopers get through they then escape… There is an interesting cutting tool prop in the Visual Guide.

Believe it or not. I actually contemplated adding some prequel footage. But in a very minimal sense.

One Prequel to rule them all! And in the Darkness Bind Them.

😃

Just something a bit amusing about the R2-D2 and C3-P0 Cameo

The Gareth Edwards Director Addresses the Plot Hole and Says.

Edwards, defended the scene telling Digital Spy: “If you listen carefully to the dialogue… they say, ‘We need to contact [fleet commander] Admiral Raddus’, or something. And someone says, ‘He’s planning to fight’ or ‘he’s about to leave’, so he hasn’t left yet.

“The idea is that [the droids and Leia] would be stopped, saying, ‘You’ve got to help us’, so that includes Captain Antilles [the pilot who is killed by Darth Vader at the beginning of Episode IV] and all that stuff. So it’s technically OK.”
Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/film/rogue-one-director-addresses-cameo-plot-hole-1920271#vzr2M4w8rePxWiF3.99

The Actual Dialogue in the Movie

Senator!
Senator.
Stop right there, Private.
Let him speak.
Intercepted Imperial transmission, ma’am.
Rebels on Scarif.
I need to speak to Admiral Raddus
He’s returned to his ship
He’s gone to fight.
No!
Attention all flight personnel,
please report to your commanders immediately.
Attention all flight personnel,
please report to your commanders immediately.
We have been redirected to Scarif.
Pilots, you’ll be briefed by
you squadron leaders on route.
May the Force be with you.
Scarif?
They’re going to Scarif?

• Why does nobody ever tell me anything, Artoo?
• Yeah, nobody tells us anything.

Gareth Edwards was actually eluding to a different version of Bail Organa talking to Mon Mothma in the Novelization.

Bail nodded again. “He served me well during the Clone Wars and has lived in hiding since the Emperor’s purge.” He appeared to wait for Mon’s verdict, but she had nothing to offer. At last he finished, “Yes, I will send for him.”
A Jedi, returning to fight against the Empire. It seemed an impossible thought, so Mon focused on what was not. “Captain Antilles’s ship is docked with the Profundity for repairs, but it’s nearly ready to go. The extraction should be simple; if it’s not, his skills will be an asset.”
“My assessment as well,” Bail said.

Which is again totally different in the Movie.

Despite what the others say,
war is inevitable
Yes, I agree.
I must return to Alderaan
to inform my people
that there will be no peace.
We will need every advantage.
Your friend, the Jedi.
He served me well
during the Clone Wars
and has lived in hiding
since the Emperor’s purge.
Yes, I will send for him.
You’ll need someone you can trust.
I would trust her with my life.

• Captain Antilles, I have a mission for you.
• Senator.

Quite interesting I thought. And quite Funny 😃

The Novelization slips in the excuse that the Tantive is docked for Repairs but it’s already flown off into barttle!!!

Profundity? More like profoundly…

I think the best thing to do is show (if possible) the Tantive receiving the transmission.

Then from there it’s a secret / mystery that R2-D2 has the Plans inside him. Until we hear Leia’s message in Star Wars in front of Obi-wan.

That’s also another reason for swapping out the credit card to simply be Obi-wans geographical location and perhaps a flight path for the escape pod and trajectory . A lot of Aubersh Text job done. Keep it quite Vague

This way nobody knows where the plans went which is cool.

I rather that not every detail needs to be spelled out. It retains the mystery in Star Wars a bit better. And also keeps C3-P0 in the Dark about the secret mission.

I honestly think there are a number of choices but I think Rogue One should be kept self contained if possible. That’s why it’s a nice chance to show Luke with Binoculars because It just will never work in Star Wars 1977.

I guess it’s an excuse for a Cameo shot but it means it would not ruin Star Wars that way. with repeating too much footage.

Would you move Slasher Vader in to Star Wars though? and extend the attack on the Tantive?

That was my 50/50 thought between it being a reveal for either the Original Star Wars or about Rogue One.

it ended up being nothing.

It’s possible if it was Rogue One related and since a big overhaul took place this was why the Big News got scrapped as everything was in too much flux.

moviefreakedmind said:

Peter Mayhew never actually made an announcement. What a rip off! 😉

Seriously though, I wonder what his original plan was.

Yeah it kind of never worked up in to any big announcement did it?

Bodhi Rook establishes Radio Contact with the Tantive whilst it is flying to Tattooine

Once the Shield gate is down the plan’s are transmitted to the tantive (Far away out of firing range) and as say the Death Star monitors that a transmission was being sent off planet because it’s on their own band width and they possibly could struggle to jam it and at that point the decision to fire on the planet is made.(Highest security Priority un-jammable signal)

Just as the plans are being uploaded to the Tantive and just as it completes sending the transmission the deathstar fires on the dish. But Too Late it got through…

Darth Vader then jumps in to the location of where the transmission is sent on the devastator.

A chase Between the Tantive and the Devastator Ensues

We See Jyn and Cassian on the beach being wiped out by the Death Star Blast.

We See the Profundity oblitterated

We see an Establishing Shot of Tattooine with a very Small Star destroyer and Tantive

We See Luke Looking through his Binoculars on Tattoine (This replaces the opening shot of Star Wars 77)

We then Cut to the Tantive shot of the explosion where it get’s hit above tattooine and being hauled into the Belly of the Devastator the Clamps attach. (the Clamps disengaging Reversed from R1.) Perhaps we follow 3p0 and R2-D2 for “they destroyed the main reactor, we’ll be destroyed for Sure” only.

An Alderaan Soldier (Instead of Death Star Plans) Has Obi-Wans Image and Location in Dune sea put on the Credit Card Darth Vader Slasher Scene ensues. As The Door Shuts the soldier shouts “Goooo!” (not Launch)

The Rebel with the Card say’s “Prepare the Escape Pods” we see the Back of Leia Only

The Alderaan soldiers in the corridor on the Tantive are waiting armed training their guns at the door the Door explodes

End Credits

Optional Insert Biggs scene on Tattooine. >>> End Credits

The Idea is that We do not follow the droids in this but when you watch Star Wars you see the Sequence from a different perspective. This is the best I can come up with.

As one Long 4 hour film it would also work this way. with the re-insertion of the opening shot from Star Wars in that Instance.

The Other Option is to move the Vader Slasher scene over in to Star Wars. and the End of the film would in that instance I guess be simply having the Devastator jumping in on the Tantives Location and the start of the chase.

Sorry wrong thread!

Happy new year.

Ok make up a story about how Vader knows where the Tantive is going…

A transmission is potentially trackable and traceable.

Hyperspace jumps need to be plotted and calculated and every possible course would have to be considered.

“They could be on the other side of the galaxy by now.”

Nobody ever get’s caught jumping away. You might get caught coming out of hyperspace near a deathstar that’s about as far as it’s ever gone. This would totally mess up the end of Empire Strikes Back.

I want to add I really like the movie but I want to see a version that was untainted by re-shoots or any re-editing.

SilverWook said:

It’s also possible the Tantive had just docked with the Profundity to render aid, and retrieve the plans?

I don’t think so I mean there is far to much Dialogue about the Tantive not only having a totally separate mission and going somewhere else and nothing to suggest they were going in to battle.

I could imagine the plan’s being transmitted to the tantive (Far away out of firing range) and as say the Death Star monitors that a transmission was being sent off planet because it’s on their own band width and they possibly could struggle to jam it and at that point the decision to fire on the planet is made.(Highest security Priority un-jammable signal)

Just as the plans are being uploaded and just as it completes sending the transmission the deathstar fires on the dish. But Too Late it got through…

Darth Vader then jumps in to the location of where the transmission is sent on the devastator.

Then you have the chase between the Tantive and the Devastator. As it is in the film a chase is not exactly possible until Vader trudges back to his shuttle flys back to the devastator then flys off to get to the Tantive. This does not make sense either.

I Like Raddus and all but I just can’t see any way of reconciling that Raddus and The Tantive IV and crew go together in any way shape or form. He is not important enough.

I can accept it but I know different.

Remember once you go Light Speed you never get caught.

Yes that is correct In the PSVR mission they go to rescue Jyn from the Planet Wobani but if you look at what is Wobani in the PSVR mission it is actually the planet Lah’Mu so it’s a bit of a mess up there.

But remember it’s only a film and of course only a computer game. But if you re-write things at the last minute this sort of stuff happens.

I have not played it but I watched a demo video of it.

In terms of film editing it smacks of Desperately trying to decrease the running time rather than actually nobody like the content. Especially when you see these pairing down measures.

In terms of the Computer Game it got re-written as you could not Have the x-wing VR mission anymore involving the Tantive IV and receiving the plans and holding off those tie-fighters and the Devastator.

No, The Tantive IV diverts from heading towards tattooine and then Recieves the plans and then goes on to tattooine with the plans.

Tattooine is right next to Scariff for a reason.

Or they Simply Recieved the plans at a place near Tattooine it’s just as simple. It’s a transmission and it is a very big Dish on Scariff. People communicate with astronaughts all the time in outerspace.

Perhaps the Devastator showed up rather than the Tantive?

But it is of that effect as proved in the Re-written VR mission as the original ending with the Tantive was re-written.

Remember the force will be with you… Always

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JS642fmhk0

There’s the Tantive flying back from it’s mission to tattooine showing up to recieve the plans from the original cut of the film whilst alongside the Devastator. This is Zal Dinnes and those pilots we never saw who lost their lives. The VR mission that got developed for playstation was then made into a mission that involved going to wobani to rescue Jyn that was actually the planet Lah’Mu.

Go Figure.

A couple of more bit’s of evidence about Vader Slasher sequence could have been an overlap with A New Hope.

Before Vader Appears “We Hear a Creaking Hull Sound”

The Paint Job of the corridor of the profundity is the same paint scheme as the exterior of the Tantive IV

The Shot of the Clamps disengaging are probably a shot of the Star Destroying Clamps engaging (when reversed) and Holding the Tantive IV in the belly of a Star Destroyer Devastator.

The interior Docking Bay of the Profundity looks Suspiciously similar to that of a Star Destroyer.

Leia going to Tattooine with Captain Antilles and R2 & 3P0 but all of a sudden being part of of the profundity Mothership Hatching out of that ship at Scariff like a jack in the box.

Also what are so many Alderaan soldiers doing aboard a Mon Calamari Vessel?

I am cool with it but what ever it was before it got changed it was probably paired down from Leia having to turn back from Tattooine as Admiral Raddus sends out a distress signal and Leia scoops the Plans somehow via another transmission just before the Profundity get’s oblitterated.

It will be something along these lines I think.

It’s still good but Obvious Re-shoots are obvious Re-shoots especially when it’s contradicting.

It’s Equally Possible that if you had the Scene of Luke Looking through his Binoculars on Tattooine Vader would have been aboard a part of the Tantive that had a power outage (remember that explosion) when he slayed those Rebels and the Card was passed through the door. Obviously it get’s passed to a soldier and then to Leia.

If there was ever evidence that the films were going to overlap perhaps this was an overlap and was retooled perhaps it’s not an insert but simply paired with Raddus ship.

The Card could be where Obi-wan was located on Tattooine.

Is the guy who has the card the same one who screams “GO!” and locks the door? (actually he say’s “Launch!” But it very much looks like “Gooooo!”)

I don’t have the answer I know I like it though. I think it was an overlap with A new hope it was just paired down in editing. It would definitely explain “Prepare the Escape Pod’s” then it would be 100% Gold.

It’s a bit like watching Return of the Jedi and the Shuttle Tydirium arriving on Hoth rather than at Endor though.

It’s that far off. If it’s ok for you then it’s ok for me.

Just Saying.

Good work Maestro!