Ronster

asterisk8 said:

Yeah, the whole point of flipping it is so that R2 is moving in the same direction in both shots. I guess Ady decided that was more important for the flow of the action than R2’s holo projector being on the correct side.

I think what adds to the confusion again on another level is this.

Lobot version.
Citizens uprising version.

You can only have one or the other. But we have a mixture of both. Assuming lobot was cut and then they shot the alternate shootout that we see bits of. Or even vice versa.

Ok and what does the extra gore consist of? Or if you do not know describe or post a screen cap of where you think the extra scene is.

You saying he is pierced on the antlers?

So it is in part 2 near the end?

I have my pc set up now and my TV but no internet yet.

I would need to find the DVD again but i think by chance it ended up in the front not at the back. But quite busy with everything but to be honest fed up with it all and need to relax a bit.

G E Predator said:

Ronster said:

G E Predator said:

Ronster said:

benduwan said:

https://picload.org/view/rwlwrdpl/deadtrooper.png.html

That is not Ady’s fault really, the shots are in the wrong order that is why the storm troopers are inconsistant. I looked at this part for years it’s really confusing but once you re-arrange it it starts to make more sense. But I don’t think Ady wanted to re-arrange the sequence. There are 2 shots missing and one pulled from another sequence where they run through the hall part which was flipped. But the footage was never released where the citizens of cloud city shot the storm troopers. It was like a rebellion against the empire scene on cloud city. It’s in the script and it was filmed.

The storm trooper on his own shooting behind the pillar is the one we see dead earlier with the group of storm troopers coming into the area. The shots are in the wrong order of sequence.

This was my final guess at in what order the shots were meant to be in. Key word here is guess. you can trust quite a bit of it not the start though.

https://vimeo.com/158822933

Also I think pretty impossible to fix. Smoking R2-D2 is also from the part where he electrocutes himself. But it is also possible that they never left the door where R2-D2 electrocuted himself.

Watching your video reminds me. I wonder why the shot of Chewie and R2 being pursued by that one Stormtrooper wasn’t flipped to correction (R2’s holo-projector should be on the left side of his eye, and yet it’s still on the right side in “Revisited.”)

I would never dream of holding anything against Ady when it comes to this part or any part of the film tbh. But I would love to see somone including myself simply try a chronological edit with some fixes.

It has to do with the missing shoot out between cloud city citizens and stormtroopers that is all. Like I said really difficult to cure that.

For a while I thought it went after Bob a fett flies off but it is to do with the missing shootout.

All the same, I don’t think flipping that one shot of Chewbacca, R2 and the Stormtrooper horizontally would have changed its meaning.

My best guess at chronological order. The meaning of that shot is only they flipped it so it joins with R2-D2 plugging in the wall but it does not join at all like this.

Lando Leia run through hallway chewie and R2 are lagging behind. Stormtroopers shoot citizens fight stormtroopers. Chewie goes another way shoots the one in pursuit while the other storm troopers are in battle with the citizens.

Lando makes his announcement to the city to leave. R2 electrocutes himself.

3p0 “how am i supposed to know the difference between power socket and a computer terminal”

R2 smoking responds

3po “at least your still in one piece look what happened to me!”

Gun battle resumes on same door where R2-D2 electrocuted himself. Some shots in different order. But all dialogue the same.

And they escape…

Fuddlyduddly said:

Interesting. I wonder if Ronster’s DVD copy has that extra gore, or if his version is more like the 3 hour cut on Blu-Ray?

You will have to tell me what i am looking for because i am not totally familiar with the film i had the VHS release and i liked it so i got the Dvd version gave the vhs away.

I do not have a computer set up or internet so lkke i said at this time i am pretty up the spout. But i will check the Dvd if you explain what you are looking for or post me a screen cap.

Not ideal but anyway that is life.

Look i don’t care but that part of the film is a huge mess and i have wanted and thought about ways to try and fix it for years.

But i will concede defeat frink as much as i want that bit to be totally perfect i know i can not do it. I wish they would just release the full sequence in the right order but it will never happen.

His acting might be a bit cardboard… Budum pish.

You could potentially use the shot that is flupped storm troopers shooting with some jiggery pokery when lando and leia run past where they come from heading off chewie. It would mean losing the dude carrying the ice cream machine though…

Make one shot from 2 shots.

To get around missing stormtroopers from the platform i had an idea to use source film maker and get somone to animate a few troopers shooting. But you still have another missing shot with a soundmix that goes pew pew pew! Lasers being fired. So to elaborate the soundmix is very telling that we are missing a shot where lasers are fired and that sound generally denotes going past camera.

G E Predator said:

Ronster said:

benduwan said:

https://picload.org/view/rwlwrdpl/deadtrooper.png.html

That is not Ady’s fault really, the shots are in the wrong order that is why the storm troopers are inconsistant. I looked at this part for years it’s really confusing but once you re-arrange it it starts to make more sense. But I don’t think Ady wanted to re-arrange the sequence. There are 2 shots missing and one pulled from another sequence where they run through the hall part which was flipped. But the footage was never released where the citizens of cloud city shot the storm troopers. It was like a rebellion against the empire scene on cloud city. It’s in the script and it was filmed.

The storm trooper on his own shooting behind the pillar is the one we see dead earlier with the group of storm troopers coming into the area. The shots are in the wrong order of sequence.

This was my final guess at in what order the shots were meant to be in. Key word here is guess. you can trust quite a bit of it not the start though.

https://vimeo.com/158822933

Also I think pretty impossible to fix. Smoking R2-D2 is also from the part where he electrocutes himself. But it is also possible that they never left the door where R2-D2 electrocuted himself.

Watching your video reminds me. I wonder why the shot of Chewie and R2 being pursued by that one Stormtrooper wasn’t flipped to correction (R2’s holo-projector should be on the left side of his eye, and yet it’s still on the right side in “Revisited.”)

I would never dream of holding anything against Ady when it comes to this part or any part of the film tbh. But I would love to see somone including myself simply try a chronological edit with some fixes.

It has to do with the missing shoot out between cloud city citizens and stormtroopers that is all. Like I said really difficult to cure that.

For a while I thought it went after Bob a fett flies off but it is to do with the missing shootout.

My suggestion for ROTJ:R has to do with this funnily enough.

I came across a track that I thought that might work as a replacement. I do not mind Lapti nek but It is an idea to cut the puppet singer and just have the blue elephant on keys. Anyway listen to the track.

Billy Preston- outa space the original 45.

Seems it so good it has been blocked. Sorry for typos tired.

Well he could have sped the footage up but it does not seem sped up like R2-D2 going up the tube. Or slow motion or trails but yeah I think I will watch it in slow motion to study it a bit closer one day but not the time atm.

Well the only thing that really draws my attention is we do hear the gun being fired… after the bar man says "no blasters’

And we do not see it so I just came to that conclusion that the laser was missing in my head. I will admit that I do make mistakes… But yeah I do not mind what anyone thinks only that it has always been a bit confusing exactly what is going on and it is probably no doubt due to the many permutations and even possibly censorship.

benduwan said:

https://picload.org/view/rwlwpddi/r2-d2.png.html

I find that picture quite interesting. It does match the x-wing we see later after it had repairs. I wonder if it is the same length as any shot in exact frames when Luke fly’s towards Bespin?

This will often give you the swap and position… Just saying. I actually find stuff like that really interesting. I don’t care if it’s in a fan edit or not. It’s just interesting…

I still have screen cap capabilities now so I will post some for you.

Part 1 starts with a few minute preview of part 1 at the start and then cuts to this.

Part 1 end credits after Vampire boy bites the man in the grave. freeze frame zoom. Producer Credit here “Richard Kobritz”

Part 2 also has a recap of part 1 (same as part 1 I think) and a voice over states on black screen “and now the conclusion of Salems Lot” a shot of the moon at night wolf howls. The house fades in to frame dramatic music then title card below and opening credits the same. Dissolve to road with Jeep heading for Salems lot.

end credits the same.

It’s sourced from a print with pops and scratches.

131.56 Part 1 including preview
132.03 Part 2 including recap ^ Same.

They chopped off the Walrus head too! there is a still for it. there must have been many permutations for the sequence but the lightsaber is no where near the Walrus.

It’s been packed away. But if you let me know about what scene it is. Then I will look when it get’s unpacked at the other end. But it won’t happen in a hurry. But I will keep an eye if you have any questions. And happy to help.

But I won’t be able to do screen caps so I will just have to give a brief description in relation to what your questions if you have any might be.

doubleofive said:

Did some translation work.

---

There’s nothing wrong R2, I’m just setting a new course.

(Untranslated beeps)

We’re not going to regroup with the others. We’re going to the Dagobah System.

(Untranslated beeps)

Yes, R2?

That’s all right. I’d like to keep it on manual control for a while.

(Untranslated beeps)

Ha!

Like it… I was hoping you were going to sneak the extra shot of the translator in when they crash on Dagobah. I can’t remember off the top of my head what the exchange was but Weeoo woo Weeooo woo = Are you alright? just in case you were unsure of the acurate translation…

😃

Script says this.

LUKE
Yeah, I’m all right… You still in one piece?
(CLOSE-UP Artoo beeps affirmative.
Good. Come on, I think we’re sinking.
Luke pulls a switch and his canopy pops open.

Not sure if the audio is available for it though? But cool none the less.

Fuddlyduddly said:

Ronster said:

I am in a bit of a mess though moving house so If I don’t find it then sorry for this. But If I do find it then I will update you on this.

Alright, thanks! And don’t go through to much trouble to find it, this isn’t urgent or anything.

Yes found it this morning. It is on 2 discs no special or bonus features so that should confirm that is is indeed two parts.

I have the UK DVD I will check it for you. I think you might be right that it is indeed in two parts. I am in a bit of a mess though moving house so If I don’t find it then sorry for this.

But If I do find it then I will update you on this.

benduwan said:

https://picload.org/view/rwlwrdpl/deadtrooper.png.html

That is not Ady’s fault really, the shots are in the wrong order that is why the storm troopers are inconsistant. I looked at this part for years it’s really confusing but once you re-arrange it it starts to make more sense. But I don’t think Ady wanted to re-arrange the sequence. There are 2 shots missing and one pulled from another sequence where they run through the hall part which was flipped. But the footage was never released where the citizens of cloud city shot the storm troopers. It was like a rebellion against the empire scene on cloud city. It’s in the script and it was filmed.

The storm trooper on his own shooting behind the pillar is the one we see dead earlier with the group of storm troopers coming into the area. The shots are in the wrong order of sequence.

This was my final guess at in what order the shots were meant to be in. Key word here is guess. you can trust quite a bit of it not the start though.

https://vimeo.com/158822933

Also I think pretty impossible to fix. Smoking R2-D2 is also from the part where he electrocutes himself. But it is also possible that they never left the door where R2-D2 electrocuted himself.

ImperialFighter said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

This has probably been asked before, but why was Ponda Baba’s arm replaced with Evazan’s?

Indeed it has AK, and it’s because Obi-Wan actually cuts Evazan’s arm off due to him pulling out a blaster in the original footage.

(having said that, since the footage shows Obi-Wan swiping his lightsaber TWICE during that scene, I guess Ponda Baba’s arm also ended up on the cantina floor somewhere)

I think that because we don’t actually see the gun fired although there is footage for it… Basically Obi-wan deflects the doctors Laser at Walrus Man then cut’s off the doctors hand. Thus Killing Walrus and seriously maiming the Doctor who does not like anyone.

The Laser being deflected is missing even though we hear the gun go off… That is what the first swipe is for. They just forgot to rotoscope the Laser in and bouncing off. This is also why Luke trains to deflect blasters.

Any good?

I like the ARSE anagram. It’s an ARSE to do it all over again?

They probably swapped Doctors hand for the walrus due to censorship. This is also I think the only missing element in the theatrical or special edition I can think of. Apart from Obi-wans lightsaber and the flames on the Cloak which Ady already did.

Centurion said:

Here’s a review of the new 50th Kino remaster.

https://trailersfromhell.com/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-50th-anniversary/

So, at least the mono track is supposed to be good! 😃

Don’t look good but bad and ugly.

Really good informative review.

darth_ender said:

Ronster said:

Paden said:

Ronster said:

Why does he say “ok we’re going, we’re going” in reaction to something that simply is not there?

I had always assumed R2 was anxious because the base was being overrun by the empire & they appear to be among the last to be leaving.
Everyone else around them do look pretty calm though as they’re packing their bags, perhaps it’s a different exit from the base that’s behind them 😃

Cheers, Paul

Yeah you can look at it that way and I will also accept it’s very feasible but R2-D2 is worried I got the quote wrong “Don’t worry… We’re going we’re going” and it does work but you know it just leaves you wondering when you know some facts and ROTJ does not really leave you wondering at all. it’s all pretty self explanatory no mystery.

ESB is for the most part pretty well un-open to interpretation and totally explained but when you delve a bit deeper you just wonder on a few things and I think this is one of them and probably the insert don’t help. Just saying it feels like it should be in reaction to “Something” and although all that has passed is not all good it does often feel like stuff is not quite right or something missing. “Who knows” is the real answer and that would be the people that were making it including Lucus.

This was never a mystery to me, not even as a child. It’s always been pretty clear that he is responding to R2’s anxious warblings. It’s like when you’re nagging your wife that she’s going to make you late for a dinner party and she responds with some annoyance as she puts on her last earring,“Don’t worry, dear, we’re going, we’re going.” I don’t need to ask Mucus (sic) for clarification.

100% agreed and I feel the same way, but when you know something was filmed afterwards it leaves you wondering and there is nothing immediate to worry about. I just wonder if their was more to worry about, I hope you get that it’s not like this film ran out of money or anything like that… Sorry but it did run out of money…

Paden said:

Ronster said:

Why does he say “ok we’re going, we’re going” in reaction to something that simply is not there?

I had always assumed R2 was anxious because the base was being overrun by the empire & they appear to be among the last to be leaving.
Everyone else around them do look pretty calm though as they’re packing their bags, perhaps it’s a different exit from the base that’s behind them 😃

Cheers, Paul

Yeah you can look at it that way and I will also accept it’s very feasible but R2-D2 is worried I got the quote wrong “Don’t worry… We’re going we’re going” and it does work but you know it just leaves you wondering when you know some facts and ROTJ does not really leave you wondering at all. it’s all pretty self explanatory no mystery.

ESB is for the most part pretty well un-open to interpretation and totally explained but when you delve a bit deeper you just wonder on a few things and I think this is one of them and probably the insert don’t help. Just saying it feels like it should be in reaction to “Something” and although all that has passed is not all good it does often feel like stuff is not quite right or something missing. “Who knows” is the real answer and that would be the people that were making it including Lucus. But for the most part this is not the case but if it involves a big effects shot it very much is the case I think.

TV’s Frink said:

Ronster said:

I only have one suggestion when you do ROTJ

Fake news.

I’s not fake news.

I give you the truth when Luke is going from the base that was an insert filmed well after principle photography in a car park. That is why you don’t see the snow. Who knows what the thinking is behind them putting the camera pan past the x-wing in a car park rather than in Noraway and in Elstree car park.

I don’t mind it and I am used to it but ROTJ went as planned pretty much and I don’t find that as interesting as this film that is the god’s honest truth.

Seriously Frink I am not looking for anything for “me” but this film is well interesrting

Why does he say “ok we’re going, we’re going” in reaction to something that simply is not there?

doubleofive said:

(I’m glad I loaded it onto my phone last night)

It’s definitely not recoiling, its exposing itself from the protective sphere.

Seriously man It don’t matter it’s just interesting and I do not mind whatever the idea is. I only have one suggestion when you do ROTJ and it’s not visual or anything basically when you open the thread I will post it. But I don’t have much to say about that film. It does not have the mystery about it that empire has.

If it is meant to be coming out the round shell then it is not clear that is what it is doing…

OK but it does look like it is recoiling after firing. And I do not think it matters if it fired if that was the plan at some point.

Just saying it does make sense how luke got away so easily. If there is at least the super star destroyer one downed star destroyer and three others chasing Han in the falcon then you have a mathematical sum of one star destroyer left and the super star destroyer.

If the last shot hits it’s target all being equal there is very little threat.

In the original storyboard luke veered right across the super star destroyer (flipped shot) not saying these are things you should do. But I can see the sense in you having the ion canon fire again if that was the idea because honestly it does look like that.

I don’t mind but it is like I can see in this part ideas that did not happen. Also if a bolt hit the Base before luke says “ok we are going” that would also make sense.

That is not a suggestion but who knows with this film… Some things are a bit mysterious not massively but a bit.