Ronster

Bias saturation not color saturation.

It looks very nice just thinking perhaps it is too saturated. It does not feel old it looks like brand new. But it is not a criticism just that i never seen it look like that. So you decide if you want it to feel a bit more dated or brand new.

Although any decent software video player has saturation. It does not have bias and value saturation normally just global color saturation.

I think what i am saying is oldish 80’s horror looks almost too good. These sorts of films benefit from a dirtier look at least in my humble opinion.

Mango said:

SilverWook said:

This full frame LD release also has mono sound and is a bit cheaper to come by than the 1995 remaster.
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/04914/ID5239VE/American-Werewolf-in-London-An

http://www.ebay.com/itm/An-American-werewolf-In-London-Laserdisc-John-Landis-digital-sound-plays-great-/292205447763

I have that one, but my way of ripping laserdiscs sucks, even if just for audio. The 1995 laserdisc was made by the same company as the 1997 DVD, which is my source for audio. The audio was stretched to 5.1, but I compressed it down to mono using Handbrake. Sadly, it’s as close as I’m gonna get for now.

Here is a tip just in case the audio compressed down to mono is some how a bit wrong.

Get Audacity (free software). Make sure the sample rate of the project is the same as Blu Ray Audio (44100 khz or more probably much more) for saving. get ffmpeg plugin for the program.

import the Vob files containing the 5.1 audio into audacity after you will have 5 mono tracks. But Audacity will treat the project as a mono project and mix the 5.1 audio uncompressed to a single mono track. Save as a Wav file at the matched sample rate as the blu ray.

Hope that helps you can then synch it to the blu ray audio and delete that audio and use the other track.

Mango said:

Ronster said:

if it’s in synch with the video then it can not be pitched down unless the film is playing at the wrong speed… Just saying.

So is the film frame rate 29.97 fps?

PAL 25fps? this would pitch it up by roughly 4%

You need to get the VHS audio or the Laserdisc Audio not the DVD.

I think you’re misunderstanding this. Older copies of the movie, i.e. laserdisc, VHS, old DVD all have a different sound mix than the 2002 DVD onward. The audio was pitched down by the creators of the film as an intended effect. None of the copies I own are PAL. All of them are NTSC. I own 6 copies of this movie.

I thought every dvd version was remixed with different sounds. Sorry for that I have the 21st anniversary edition but there was a botched release before that in the Uk that had the telephone box scene missing. I don’t think there was any other uk release on DVD and they were all 5.1 mixes.

I think the UK release might be better then?

if it’s in synch with the video then it can not be pitched down unless the film is playing at the wrong speed… Just saying.

So is the film frame rate 29.97 fps?

PAL 25fps? this would pitch it up by roughly 4%

You need to get the VHS audio or the Laserdisc Audio not the DVD.

SilverWook said:
I wouldn’t mind seeing Bollux.

Fixed that for you… Probably sums this film up pretty well, If it is good then I will be happy but I can’t help but feel this will be really bad.

Love this film up there in my top 10… but is the original mono that different. I have obviously heard it but i don’t remember it being that different. Has anybody got the original mono?

Alternate redux sounds good to be honest on the changelist. Perhaps there is confusion as he has done 3 versions of the edit and it basically needs confirming the latest version on fan edit links?

There is somone working on a special edition that updates the effects shots.

I only got the TV cut recently but it has become a cherished DVD in my collection. The rdgion 1 steelbook It is the sort of film i would have a go at. It’s in the realm of “it did not go entirely as planned”.

There is no way i would add 2 prologues is this the redux version? With the book chapters?

The worst thing you can do to a lynch film is turn a visual cerebral feast in to a book! Although i can not say i have seen redux. I have seen the third stage and i really like it.

There needs to be another montage showing pauls daughter being born and so on. Too much missing material still and I say bring on the sick Harkonans. There is another cut fight when sting is in that steam thing acording to the script also.

I think it needs more Lynch weirdness less book personally. It’s about 20 minutes off being complete the TV cut. They had 4 hour+ workprint. It’s a shame David Lynch walked away from it but I can’t say i blame him he did an amazing job really.

Ha no worries, I would offer to compile something for you but I have quite a bit on this time of year and work generally takes over and anything else goes by the wayside a bit although I do small bits and bobs for fun though.

I don’t think this forum is a good format though for this layout but similar to the visual comparisons 005 does would actually be a good format! So perhaps it is something he should do if it was literally pre-pared and it would be good to keep it in the same place. I don’t mind helping to compile it, and give descriptions so on. Empire I studied pretty intently the deleted material and script but I don’t have anywhere near as much knowledge on the other films but they are more straightforward I think.

It could be a bit of fun though and also expand in to the cut ideas territory also.

I would like to nominate 005’s account for compiling the list and have it next to his visual comparisons. But not asking him to do the work but we could draft it up here perhaps… And it would be fun!

The perfect companion piece to how the special edition had very little to do with any deleted material that was originally planned to be in the film!

The Juxtaposition is strong with this one…

Ok so looking at the technique I used for trying to undo black crush one of the parts I think I went wrong with was the screen capping and not changing the Gout to be anamorphic and my screen resolution being a different size to the actual video source. At the end of the day I would not be doing this technique using screen caps if I was doing it to actually get a result for a project. But as a demo it is good enough to demonstrate how to.

This technique can be used to replace highlights from an alternate source but you would need to switch / invert the Luma key to focus on highlights. (My software does not have this option).

So talking about blown highlights when you have blown highlights in every source and there is no replacement to key in as it’s a problem when the filming took place not the transfer.

This shot just really annoyed me because of the guys hat and it would always draw my eyes to his hat rather than anything else. So I had no alternative replacement but I really wanted to deal with this issue.

This was the eventual fix. Something I am not personally too keen on using as it generally messes things up… But in terms of dealing with blown highlights when you have no alternative version to draw from it does a pretty good job of lessening the problem. Basically the process was color correct the footage how you want it. Then add selective correction to blown parts. I think this had six counts of selective correction to bring down the whites to a level that matched the rest of the hat and also de-saturation on the blown hues. This then made this problem far more subtle rather than glaring in your face fluro hat. Afler this was done I rendered the clip and then put this rendered clip in the timeline as a replacement and color corrected again after this process was done. This is very much a hammer and chisel approach to dealing with blown highlights when you have no alternative but want to fix it somehow. Bear in Mind that the contrast needs fixing on this also but it is more or less the finished shot.

So there is an interesting way to deal with the no alternative source for blown highlights. Shadows or black obviously you can not do this with.

Best I could do finished shot

There is quite a few shots you are missing for Empire Strikes back from the trailers.

These off the top of my head are as follows.

Deleted Wampa claw Luke hangs upside down before waking.

Deleted Shot of Shield generator explosion. Big Explosion.

Probe Droid alert and turns head after Han shoots it.

Lando heads for the Landing Platform.

Han pulls Leia behind him before shooting at Vader in Dining Room.

Chewie smacks a Storm Trooper in the carbon freeze chamber really hard.

Luke writhing / struggling in Bacta Tank.

Vader throws Luke with the force down cloud city chasm. This one is unusable as they obviously changed the scene a lot. but you did log it just the description is wrong. he was meant to choke him lift him and then throw him down. there is art for the throttle and lift luke in mid air. He perhaps was not dad in this version…

Extended shot of Han outside cloud city after Falcon landed.

I think that is all of them… You need to check all 3 or 4 trailers. Vivaldi and trailers 1 and 2. Trailer 2 is not in widescreen though.

This is all simply bad values so not enough mid range vslue and possibly a bit of push of value at the bottom.

Somone who said about magenta hotrod yeah go with that color. Change the value on shots when they go dark like that so value remains more consistant not jumping up and down. It is very easy to remedy and does not require you to mix any images together.

It’s a great old cartoon and i remember it fondly. Good music too!

I don’t have this release sadly and it’s one to add to the collection at some point. All the controvesy about optimus primes censored death though.

Do you have screen capping capabilities?

I hate it that we don’t get shout factory releases in the Uk too.

I was going to talk about fixing blown highlights when no alternative source is available but not today bit tired now…

I am only trying to display a technique for crushed blacks really. And I wanted to move on to blown highlights I hope it’s helpful to people.

DNR is a different beast all together. I don’t know any tricks for that. I’m not sure weather this would also work to make something not look not like plastic or waxy or smooth with DNR. I would say you have to find a different version without it but here mixing the 2 as a whole image might take some of that away by making it simply opaque.

Then it is crushed Blacks go with the 2009 Blu-ray…

The only option to fix it would be to obtain a print of the film and scan it and from there you could mix or just have the print digitized to watch. This is the big pitfall in this technique but it all comes down to framing or having a match of the complete image or complete affected area of black crush as you can mask in on selected areas too. But you could potentially cheat a bit but in NOES 4 perhaps a 4:3 release could do some of the donkey work and then you might be able to crop in from that a widescreen image but it is quite different framing by the looks of it totally different amounts of the frame.

Try to find a TV Version for NOES 4

so it’s not a UHD release ghostbusters?

the framing of DVD and Bluray of NOES 4 are totally different. Is there a release that has the same framing as the Blu-ray i.e. the same or more amount of picture as the Blu-ray?

Ghostbusters 4k - UHD >> do you have the actual release and are you watching it on a UHD TV? And if so does it look like the capsaholic pictures on your TV?

Nightmare on elm street 4 does look bad in the darker shots on capsaholic so with what I am talking about mixing Luma to get rid or black crush the main problem is you would have to conform the sources framing wise and these seem quite different looking at the Junkyard on Capsaholic and the girl in the room with the bike the DVD chops off the top of her head the Blu Ray is better framed but unless there is a source that has the shadow detail and in a similar framing to the Blu-ray then yes it is possible but like I said framing is an issue. But with all the versions of Star Wars and prints and alike it’s not really a problem per say to match the framing so much. In this instance it is a hurdle. (Not that my software can do it very well either!)

Ghostbusters does not seem to be a problem as the framing of the 2009 and new 4K master are pretty much the same and would probably just say get the 2009 Blu-ray potentially on that one. As it does not seem to suffer.

Nightmare on Elm Street 4 is potentially more obscure but if a source exists in the same framing without black crush yes it’s absolutely possible but even if you tried to conform the Blu-Ray to the DVD for NOES 4 you would potentially find more image at the top on Blu and more image at the bottom on DVD so it is a tricky one due to the framing and obscurity and lack of different releases.

Basically you can’t get the detail and the Luma as a whole unless a different release has a framing similar to the Blu ray on this one.

Potentially with the 4K ghostbusters Blu ray it has much more darker color information but your TV might be incapable of displaying it. This is a distinct possibility as mine won’t display HDR or anything… I have a normal old HD LCD monitor still.

http://www.ghostbustersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bluray_comparison_05.jpg

I used these 2 stills to mix the Luma of the 2009 Blu ray and the 4k master.

It does not happen in the blink of an eye… I have to do stuff to it…

so that is why you see both text underneath the image. It is fixable absolutely I boosted the bottom end a bit for the 2009 but there is detail there to boost.

This was a 50/50 Luma mix

lol well I have not seen that in a long time… Is it the shot at 0:32? it might just have not enough value. I will have to find the box set if not. Let me look at that shot from ghostbusters first… That is definitely Black Crush

just link me to the clip on youtube and I will screen cap it. like movie clips or something.

I can see the black crush in the ghostbusters image yeah it’s well bad…

But I think you are putting the wrong URL or something. You know do you have an image that does not say preview also across it? or can you link to the clip on you tube even?

I have Ghostbusters on DVD and could use that to test on this. I also have R1 nightmare on elm street box set so I could also potentially test that too. If you post an image from the source that has crushed blacks i.e. the Blu Ray and a screen grab. But like I said the software I am using is quite limited on the geometry front.

Also give me an idea of when in the film it is. But I am pretty familiar with Ghostbusters more for NOES

ah ok, I really like that shot though!

starkiller base said:

i don’t know how to add images

put your images on a image hosting site… then type what is inside the speech marks without any spaces replacing URL within brackets with your copied URL for the image “! [ ] (URL)”

If you can post the same frame or very nearly the same frame… I did not want to have to rip another source just to demonstrate this technique so I screen grabbed from a DVD I think I might have been a frame out…Or my line up was a bit out. The Line up is the hardest part especially when the framing is so, so different.

There was a good reason to use that still from revisited because it proves that the Middle and top are unaffected more or less by the Luma key. And the added asteroids are still present although they are dimmed because there was nothing there in the other source.

After playing with the Luma Key some more I found edge softness 33.79& and very little tolerance around 96% yield better results. But this is the first time I have tried this so it’s all a bit of learn as you go. The line up really is the hardest part as I said before. I unsharpened the other source also as it was far too sharp. So please post what ever you want to for further tests.

What I am discovering though the software I am using is not precise enough in incremental scale to match geometry of the 2 shots as I only am able to scale in hole set increments and not percentages so I will never be able to match the size and scale with the software I have on this still image But with that said the 2 shots were very different in terms of the scale and positioning which is not entirely normal to have such different framing. basically my x scale needs to be in between 96 and 97 I think, and this is something impossible using the software I have. Or something has been done to extend the Star Destroyer at the far left because the lights don’t match so it’s either my software of the super stardestroyer has been digitally extended or elongated?

What is also interesting is if you keep the extra bit on the left from the Special edition / blu ray and the extra bit on the right from the theatrical it is quite nice too. And it might bee the correct aspect then but there is something at play here… Not sure what.

One more example and I think this proves that it will or does work in undoing black crush. Although I do think I have a slightly difficult task with the software I am using as I can only position with the mouse and I can’t nudge the image in any sort of direction without having to wobble it about left clicking. So yeah my software is not precision enough. But this is not the purpose of thread because It’s more about the technique of doing but the software I have it’s too difficult to position and scale effectively. But this process would work 100% providing you can scale and position much more precisely than my software can (Lightworks).

Luma Keyed in