Ronster

darth_ender said:

Ronster said:

Ok I did it! (What little hair I have left disappeared with Lightworks Suite and it’s audio bugs! anyway I had to render it in Movie Maker as it was the only program that I have that could read 2 audio files in the same manner as Video audio and a Wav exactly the same to switch between…)

https://vimeo.com/250641294

I will talk you through the process and decisions.

I did a rough color correction on it. The most notable are the first shot inside the Death Star Command with Tarkin in front of the viewscreen. Second is the Death Star Firing Cone. They Both had Hue alterations done on it as they were out on Hue and the Death Star Laser Core was made Yellow on the cone.

The Audio was re-done from the part from “Dantooine is too small to be an effective demonstration” That is I think is where it was cut?

The explosion was restored using the Bluescreen shot And Mike Verta’s Vimeo Clip as I needed to see what was going on to line up the Blue Screen shot properly. I slowed it down quite a bit so this does not rule out Leia’s Line at all. I will send you the clip stand alone if you would like which runs a bit faster. Slowed to 87% the explosion…

I Guessed that the Explosion Dissolved into the Falcon shot. Because the music seems to suggest that but this is my interpretation. And I don’t like to fight against John WIlliams he Rules so you must fit with him as the Video shows. I felt anymore Dialogue after the explosion would be anti climactic. You could just as easily hard cut it also.

The main Take away is the music rather than special effects.

Do you like it?

Something else I have noticed is that see Tarkin mouth the same lines twice from a different angle. I would imagine that after “Name the System” should be cropped to remove Tarkins Mouth.

EDIT

Ok realised I messed up the sound effects for the Death Star firing I will fix this and re-up so at least if someone wants to use the audio then they can… So I will do a version 2 and polish it off.
Sorry about that!

Also this whole repeated shot of Tarkin has me thinking it was a cover shot for showing the view screen changing to show Alderaan. i.e. Alderaan was not on there until after he says “Home planet of Alderaan” then the screen changes from a graphic to video (also in Radio Drama) the dialogue is then moved a bit later and only shows one take but also We need not see in video Alderaan until this point as Motti says “We have reached the Alderaaan system” If Tarkin could see Alderaan out the window why did he need someone to tell him they were there???

So that is very important. Doing that second shot in the clip I posted is beyond me I think but I could do the Alderaan Reveal and move the dialogue later that is easy enough.

So to properly get it right the half moon Alderaan on the second shot out the view screen needs to be replaced with something other than Alderaan and some sort of graphic. (This would not be the Lost cut but the lost bit of Overbridge control Room 😃 )

If someone wants to have a go at the second shot I will do the transition shot otherwise leave it as open…

Also not taking away from Darth Enders project at all.

I Think Andrea should join in also (Hint!)

I may not be able to cut it in the manner you suggest, but I do enjoy your desire to sync the visual with John Williams’ music. I don’t know that we always have the material to make it happen, though. My primary goal is to include as much deleted material as possible, so at times, he may have scored the scenes after portions were cut. In other words, I will probably have to alter his score to match the visual in many cases rather than the other way around. Not to discourage you, as I love your work, and there may be times where we can bring your vision to life or even find a way to make both work!

I enjoy your video, BTW. Well done!

That planet is Yavin IV out the viewscreen so if you replace that shot you get +4.5 seconds when it is actually meant to be shown!

So the matte out the view screen will need fixing a bit but I have a feeling it replaces Tarkin in Pondering thought which is repeated twice. so it might end up + 2 seconds or something. Or it might not? Check the Shadow on the PLanet Vs the Rebel Countdown Clock. And you will see where it goes.

See how it works now?

John Willliams wrote the music on star wars to available material pretty much. There is very little leftover music unlike Empire Strikes Back. It’s all small stuff.

I also thought I should let you know the original shot of the Falcon leaving the Death Star from Theatrical cut (Trench Run Shot Replaced in Special Edition)… Goes straight after the Falcon Leaves the Death Star Hanger.

Small stuff really.

But the Methodology is Clear that when you have repeated shots you know something is up! So it’s showing it’s flaws in broad daylight regurgitating material to fill gaps which might have something else there or It simply needs to be tightened to stop the regurgitation. Quality over quantity otherwise you may as well just extend the film with this methodology of repeating shots again and again… and again 😃

So the regurgitation Pattern is there to be explored… So I have given you so far about +15 seconds not bad I’d say.

The Death Star Chasm Matte looking Down (Luke and Leia) is missing do you have a picture or reference for it? It could be the Matte Painting they used for the Emperors Death scene in ROTJ?

Seems it is…

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F0a%2F06%2F8b%2F0a068bb17b80548f789cce9a68299793.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffi.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F356769601700739190%2F&docid=F4cPFt1C9KIwcM&tbnid=pzMISenQHflaUM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiUpr62rdrYAhXLI8AKHdddBEIQMwhDKAQwBA..i&w=1280&h=784&itg=1&bih=898&biw=1106&q=death star shaft mcquarrie&ved=0ahUKEwiUpr62rdrYAhXLI8AKHdddBEIQMwhDKAQwBA&iact=mrc&uact=8

Ah ok. Did you put the shot of the falcon flying away from the trench from the theatrical cut back in it’s proper location after it leaves the Death Star Hanger after the shootout?

Also the actual shot from the theatrical of the Falcon turning around before it blasts off looks miles better even though it is non-anamorphic. It just looks really vivid but muted in the special edition…

Anyway it is another small discovery.

Andrea I am thinking about doing a star wars edit of Episode IV and I would like to know if you are interested in the premise.

Although everyone wants an extended edition, even I do! It does not work like this most often and most things that are deleted scenes don’t work or alternate takes where you have no time difference.

I can help give you a framework for “Empire Strikes Back” (I understand quite a bit about the cuts) and I am currently looking at “A New Hope” also. Basically what I am all about is giving more when more is needed or was not possible but taking away when what is there is over plentiful… What ever is left after this process then it is the edit or the end result of scrutiny.

I don’t do Nambi Pambi or Bambi I like tight editing timing and music cues nothing flabby at all. Quick and to the point.

Would you be interested in doing a tighter edit of Star Wars but with some extra scenes or alternate takes?

https://vimeo.com/250641294

^ This was version 1 what I have now is far superior to this edit. A lot has been fixed (extended explosion and timiming and more) and I have kind of identified clusters of edits and clusters of no changes at all. More or Less Thinking the theatrical Version with Changes…

Basically you can use the ideas if you want to? But I just want to do a few clips and sort out those particular bits and if anyone want’s to use them then so be it. I guess a sort of Bolt on edit.

Are you interested?

Why does the community here not make Bolt on edits?

Why not make Bolt on edits to suit peoples taste?

I am hoping That this can somehow get made but I am sort of the opinion it should be a bit shorter taking into account deleting any reshoots…

This is my opinion however and I personally think trying to add extraneous material apart from some small snippets here and there which is a given.

My Opinion is “it’s all there bar a few small things…” Keep it simple is my motto and it will happen. And with Logic applied the answers come naturally.

The best approach is a “Lost Cut” Black and white

Colorized “Workprint” All music and sound effects restored and in proper chronological order any Reshoots deleted. Shorter and Tighter Version.

The Colorized workprint is more my Gander.

I have done the Audio for the Landspeeder Search and attack of the Sand People already…

Star Wars Snobbery and Robbery?

Having just recently restored a music cue for destruction of Alderaan and realised I made a Mistake on sound effects for the particular scene…

Well the sound effects are a bit different each time.

For the destruction of Alderaan the Control room guy pulling the overhead switch sound effect is missing. This is present at the end of star wars though. And there is a sound in Return of the Jedi for the overhead switch but different.

The Guy who pulls the Lever on the control Desk at the Alderaan destruction the cool noise where it goes “Beeeeooooooo” (Same a tractor beam deactivation) happens after the Lever is pulled down at the end of a new hope it happens during the Lever Pull down in ROTJ we do not hear it at all!

Return of the Jedi has a kind of Whirring buildup in the control room which seems to have been planned from the original conception of Star Wars but dismissed in the first film.

As far as the Firing Cone goes the Laser is emitted after the formed cone in Star Wars but in ROTJ comes out the hole in the middle of the dish and through the triangle cone.

Rogue One copies Star Wars on the Laser…

But you Must Decide are the guys in the Laser Tunnel in the Middle of The Dish? Or are they on one of the Triangle points for the cone? Yeah it don’t matter but it does if you have the Super Laser coming out the middle of the Dish… I think better to stick with the original version of the weapon?!?

Also Look at the control Room Helmet… If Rogue one is correct that means some of the control room shots are flipped because of matey boy’s Radio gizmo on his helmet 😃 At a loss for knowing which side is right for the helmet confused now! Seems to be that the original helmet has the antenna on it’s left side… So I will trust that.

The Laser Core is no longer Yellow by ROTJ

Don’t trust the color of the Yavin Buttons! it is out on Hue

I don’t think it was ever released this Archive… Brash has by and large disappeared from the Forums recently although I saw him come back to review the last Jedi in general discussion.

Ok I did it! (What little hair I have left disappeared with Lightworks Suite and it’s audio bugs! anyway I had to render it in Movie Maker as it was the only program that I have that could read 2 audio files in the same manner as Video audio and a Wav exactly the same to switch between…)

https://vimeo.com/250641294

I will talk you through the process and decisions.

I did a rough color correction on it. The most notable are the first shot inside the Death Star Command with Tarkin in front of the viewscreen. Second is the Death Star Firing Cone. They Both had Hue alterations done on it as they were out on Hue and the Death Star Laser Core was made Yellow on the cone.

The Audio was re-done from the part from “Dantooine is too small to be an effective demonstration” That is I think is where it was cut?

The explosion was restored using the Bluescreen shot And Mike Verta’s Vimeo Clip as I needed to see what was going on to line up the Blue Screen shot properly. I slowed it down quite a bit so this does not rule out Leia’s Line at all. I will send you the clip stand alone if you would like which runs a bit faster. Slowed to 87% the explosion…

I Guessed that the Explosion Dissolved into the Falcon shot. Because the music seems to suggest that but this is my interpretation. And I don’t like to fight against John WIlliams he Rules so you must fit with him as the Video shows. I felt anymore Dialogue after the explosion would be anti climactic. You could just as easily hard cut it also.

The main Take away is the music rather than special effects.

Do you like it?

Something else I have noticed is that see Tarkin mouth the same lines twice from a different angle. I would imagine that after “Name the System” should be cropped to remove Tarkins Mouth.

EDIT

Ok realised I messed up the sound effects for the Death Star firing I will fix this and re-up so at least if someone wants to use the audio then they can… So I will do a version 2 and polish it off.
Sorry about that!

Also this whole repeated shot of Tarkin has me thinking it was a cover shot for showing the view screen changing to show Alderaan. i.e. Alderaan was not on there until after he says “Home planet of Alderaan” then the screen changes from a graphic to video (also in Radio Drama) the dialogue is then moved a bit later and only shows one take but also We need not see in video Alderaan until this point as Motti says “We have reached the Alderaaan system” If Tarkin could see Alderaan out the window why did he need someone to tell him they were there???

So that is very important. Doing that second shot in the clip I posted is beyond me I think but I could do the Alderaan Reveal and move the dialogue later that is easy enough.

So to properly get it right the half moon Alderaan on the second shot out the view screen needs to be replaced with something other than Alderaan and some sort of graphic. (This would not be the Lost cut but the lost bit of Overbridge control Room 😃 )

If someone wants to have a go at the second shot I will do the transition shot otherwise leave it as open…

Also not taking away from Darth Enders project at all.

I Think Andrea should join in also (Hint!)

darth_ender said:

Ronster said:

darth_ender said:

Ronster said:

A point you have raised i find considerably interesting.

With regards to the destruction of Alderaan from within the view screen.

Although when you consider the explosion has a big jump cut in it. This may actually explain why there is a jump cut if the destruction was to be spread across 2 or 3 shots.

Perhaps the Laser forms the cone we then see the planet hit through the viewscreen being hit and the start of the explosion

Next would be a short reaction from Leia. Then cut to Space to complete the explosion.

So although we are merely talking about half a second or so.

I think it is the answer to the Jump cut.

Also it might go the other way around Space explosion. Leia reaction. Remainder of explosion completes in the view screen.

I might have a go at that. Where can I find the reaction shot?

You might be right. I would love to see any mockup you could do!

It’s weird but I have been thinking about this part recently… Anyway can you point me to the Leia reaction shot if possible?

Around the 1 hr 8-9 minute mark.

https://vimeo.com/32442801

Of course now looking at it, she speaks so quickly that it might not fit but I was planning on combining the different angles of “You call yourselves humans” anyway. I’ll just have to silence her dialogue from the back.

Yeah ok so I am roughly looking at it and it and what is apparent straight off the Bat is the music is all wrong. If you track back from the millennium falcon the music is right. Basically it’s equivalent to reaching the climax before you should 😃.

The music builds up and up and then releases before the planet is destroyed. I don’t think John Williams would write it like that which means the music needs to start a bit later by ? amount which leaves room for the extra bit of ? length after the explosion which should join exactly with the music on the falcon which is correct. So I think if you listen to the music it’s pretty obvious where the explosion should go before the strings come in as we watch all the debris fly away. I would also imagine the shots in the control room will also fit better and the Laser will fill the Gap in the rhythmic stabs.

I’ll have a go tomorrow and see what it’s adding up to.

To Parch your curiosity It’s just an extended explosion (extra 3 seconds approx) nothing more.

darth_ender said:

Ronster said:

A point you have raised i find considerably interesting.

With regards to the destruction of Alderaan from within the view screen.

Although when you consider the explosion has a big jump cut in it. This may actually explain why there is a jump cut if the destruction was to be spread across 2 or 3 shots.

Perhaps the Laser forms the cone we then see the planet hit through the viewscreen being hit and the start of the explosion

Next would be a short reaction from Leia. Then cut to Space to complete the explosion.

So although we are merely talking about half a second or so.

I think it is the answer to the Jump cut.

Also it might go the other way around Space explosion. Leia reaction. Remainder of explosion completes in the view screen.

I might have a go at that. Where can I find the reaction shot?

You might be right. I would love to see any mockup you could do!

It’s weird but I have been thinking about this part recently… Anyway can you point me to the Leia reaction shot if possible?

A point you have raised i find considerably interesting.

With regards to the destruction of Alderaan from within the view screen.

Although when you consider the explosion has a big jump cut in it. This may actually explain why there is a jump cut if the destruction was to be spread across 2 or 3 shots.

Perhaps the Laser forms the cone we then see the planet hit through the viewscreen being hit and the start of the explosion

Next would be a short reaction from Leia. Then cut to Space to complete the explosion.

So although we are merely talking about half a second or so.

I think it is the answer to the Jump cut.

Also it might go the other way around Space explosion. Leia reaction. Remainder of explosion completes in the view screen.

I might have a go at that. Where can I find the reaction shot?

Sticking to what I do best…

Death Star Core Chronology Fix. (small edit)

https://vimeo.com/250166357

Video now matches the sound mix when the video was cut together it was cut in the wrong order so the sound and video did not match. Simply re-arranging the footage and it now works seamlessly with the sound mix as it was intended to.

Re-did this video it now has the whole sequence (I Think?) in chronological order the sound mix was complete for the practically 90% of the re-arrangement. It’s slightly shorter but it’s also tighter and flows much better.

Anyway it’s the best I could do and I think it’s pretty pleasing. Although I wish I had of used different blaster sounds on the couple of occasions I added them but needless to say that is good as it shows where sound was missing. But I would choose different sounds and add sound for the stormtrooper Leia bags when he lands on the floor.

Anyway enjoy this sort of preservation / fan edit I can’t make up my mind what it is perhaps a bit of both?

I thought I had better add it’s only done in rough. But it’s about the timing and chronology and it does need a bit of smoothing out here and there (audio) but I never used any surround mix or center channels did it straight off a stereo track. So given that also it should be a doddle to get this polished audio wise impeccably, and also have a nice video track also. But rough edits are a good way to explore and discover.

NeverarGreat said:

I think that, for these new TIE and X-wing shots to work, they would need to be created with the technical limitations of 1977 in mind.

For example, in this shot

the TIE moves in a very smooth roll to the left, whereas the ships in the trench would usually only move from side to side.

The problem was that I used shots from a fan film but it’s only an idea. It is a representation of an idea but this shot was not specifically created like some of the others. I just used a snippet from a fan film. Ideally it would look like a model and be a quick cut and not really any flashy movement.

Since watching the original theatrical version in part yesterday. I am far more sold on like you say un-flashy and more retro solid heavy / weighty and real. But there are things I like about the Special edition too. I sort of want to do something with it one day. But I don’t have the visual fx skills and I could hardly command anyone to make me shots!

I really want to see your version too. But I am going to wait for your version 2.0.

I like this image

This also I thought was pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUOipnUat_I

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkgyCrJVMSI

But you can’t beat good looking real models!

Sorry for double post did a polished version of the Hanger Shoot out Audio including music and sound effects it sells the chronological version a lot better. I also have since re-arranged a few shots that were perhaps in the wrong order… Never the less this is the final order of “my” judgement I have settled on but not impartial to another take If you think it should be different. Link Below.

https://vimeo.com/249948877

Noticed in the surround channels of the 5.1 mix that the door hiss after the door panel (Blast the door kid) is destroyed is repeated twice but only once on the center channel. It’s a weid beast indeed so that bit got chopped out and it sort of now works…

Also please note extra light saber (sound effect) kisses to go with the flashes before obi-wan get’s the chop. And a lot of extra blaster sound effects…

Now here is the most important point. On the 4:3 TV release what portion of the screen do we see when the storm trooper get’s blasted in close up before the door panel get’s blasted? Are we focusing on the doorway ignoring the same stormtrooper being killed twice or are we focusing on the door a stormtrooper shooting and vaders back as I have done? (for 30 frames). This could be one of those problems that it is meant to be cropped and not fully open. I had an instance of this before on enter the dragon where a shot was meant to be cropped and TV version is perfect but fully open is a problem. I think it is one of those made for TV Cropped shots that made it’s way in. i.e open matte but should be zoomed in on.

Not wanting to be a pain on this but this was quite a lot of work and brain power to come to this I hope it may may it inspire you.

Leia waving her hands is not a repeat.

I have investigated a bit more on the Hangar Shoot out on the Death Star.

Here is my best guess and pretty confident this video below is a accurate Chronological edit of the scene (without repeated shots) I make mistakes like anyone else but the key word is “think” and don’t mind anyone pointing out an alternative.

https://vimeo.com/249867487

Ok so what I found for the purpose of analysis was that upon the shot where the stormtrooper falls down the loading bay hole is the point of a repeated piece of footage discrepency of 30 frames exactly (1 second). So that means we have 30 frames more than we should have and not that there is anything missing… We have more than we need by 1 second repeated. This is a problem so far as the music is concerned…

There are a few points to note on the audio side.

In terms of the video I did, the Audio does need editing on it but it still works surprisingly well like this. I added the audio in the right place for “Come on!” said by Han and then by Leia in the right place (1st time) but it is repeated again later on in the Video. When it is repeated it needs to be ignored upon the shot where Leia mouths “Luke it’s too late” this is where the vocal needs to be moved to for this part and “Blast the door Kid”. but the music is as it should be or roughly correct only the dialogue needs to be moved.

In terms of getting the continuity correct for R2-D2 going up the ramp this is a swap shot and was obviously swapped out at a late stage. when you put this shot in the right order you notice R2-D2 beeping so the sound mix was done for at least that shot to be moved back in to it’s proper location on the timeline. also Leia behind the leg on the ramp. There is possibly more shots that work in terms of sound mix in different locations on the timeline also.

Anyway it’s not so much a suggestion but I like stuff like this and I find it interesting and If I had to guess what the 30 frames were that were repeated and possibly a goof I will tell you. IF there is an alternative 30 frames missing I would guess it would be either a simple extension to an existing shot or it was a close up of a storm trooper firing It really can’t be anything else but that would only concern the music (1 second). the 30 frames would fall on where Leia says “Luke Come on!” before the same take for “come on!” part is Repeated.

Anyway hope you enjoy the analysis and the rough edit and understand what I am trying to do and understand what happened with it.

Just noticing now that some of Leia waving her arms on the ramp is also repeated footage also… So it’s now more than 30 frames if there is a shot missing. Probably is a shot missing (small one) I would say now given the increased frames.

doubleofive said:

I’m sure there’s a missing shot of Luke Force Snatching it out of Vader’s hand.

The easier thing to do would be to take advantage of the terrible crushed blacks of the SE and just erase it from Vader’s hand.

Would be better to fix the crushed blacks with an alternate sorce and film a shot of Vaders hand losing the Saber… Just saying but cool find if he actually has lukes light saber that would be a nice little touch.

Wait a minute he pulls his own saber back after throwing it? Or was that Lukes Saber? now this get’s more intriging… there are some good possibilities for this.

How about a saber swap? Double check which one Luke throws away after Vader defeat??? Basically what if Luke defeats Vader with his Lightsaber and vaders lightsaber is green? That could add a very interesting dynamic to the scene

Another nice touch which i will blame duracell energizer for. His forum name relates to a duracell advert in this advert it features darth vader shouting / screaming. Basically i thought this sound Vader makes might work very well when he is electrocuted picking up palps. It might come off comical it might be great. Basically i think it is worth a try even if it is for a laugh.

Happy New Year…

Yeah fair decision but it is perhaps a good idea in it’s essence perhaps it will improve when in final.

Is there any plan to sort out the jumbled editing after Luke shouts “Noooo!” And starts blasting?

1. The shots are in the wrong order we see Vader with his foot on the cloak then we see him walking over to the cloak. We also see a small bit of repeated footage I think from another camera of a stormtrooper (same thing briefly twice.)
2. Leia “Come on” is repeated twice and is the same take but it feels like the audio track was repeated.
3. In connection with point 1 and 2 this may point to a missing snippet of footage of the same length (2 Seconds). It is possibly the storm trooper that falls down the lift shaft or loading lift shaft?

I think it would be interesting to see this in a different order that worked better and flowed better.

Edit.

After watching again seems to be Vader is seen walking towards the cloak after he is there. The shot is spliced of the storm trooper being hit and the panel being hit.

Storm trooper hit and starts to fall (splice) about 7 seconds later he finishes his fall and the door panel explodes.

Basically it is in the wrong order that is all. And if there is a missing snippet from memory it might be luke bagging one more trooper before running up the ramp. That is perhaps what has happened.

That edit is pretty Good for the lightsabers…

Definitely the sort of thing i like.

Dat_SW_Guy said:

A little nice tidbit I found while browsing online is that Rian Johnson missed a detail to Luke’s death during the filming of TLJ. When Luke “became one with the force”, his robotic hand would “clunk” to the ground, and apparently he missed that. So when Luke comes back as a force ghost, he might have one hand missing. Just a little thing I wan’t to share.

Seriously?

I guess Vader Never vanished but practically he is more machine than man… 😃

Having a giggle about this

Continuing some research on Lord of the rings trilogy.

More Deleted and alternate material can be found witin the EA games “The Two Towers” at the end video upon completion extra shots or alternate shots of the Uruks ramming the door and also a unique shot featuring Gandalf and the riders coming down the slope also as the riders clash with the Uruks a deleted scene of an Uruk soldier being impaled on a spear. There is i think a couple of other unique shots to the video footage.

This must have been from an earlier edit of the sequence Battle of Helms deep.

No Worries.

Thanks for checking.

Can’t say i ever bothered with the remake at all.

Thanks for checking silverwook that just went from elation to dissapountment.

Keep your fingers crossed

yes you nailed it the other way around “It’s bot’s claiming to not like the film not real humans”

Critics = paid for
Audience reaction = reasonably accurate representation within probably 15-20%

Your decision = do you care or not and do you want to see more of the same.

Sorry but also I would like to state I don’t like the term “Cinematic universe” either as soon as I hear that I am gone…

DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

well I think you can certainly expect a lower budget on the last Episode given the social media reaction.

It looks like a 50/50 split so the budget will be aligned accordingly for losses.

More accurate research shows it’s nothing near 50/50, probably closer to 90/10 or 70/30 at the very least.

And when TLJ becomes the third highest grossing domestic release of all time, I’m sure any thought about decreasing the IX budget will disappear.

There is no such thing as accurate research on movie reviews I just read a weird article about “review bombing” something I have never heard of before.

The article suggests there are loads of people actively giving the lowest scores to review stuff in other words going out of their way to harm franchises by review bombing stuff and we are meant to believe audience reaction scores are so low because of some sort of mutiny fan “boy” reaction rather than anything honest okay Fan Gender Neutral reaction I’ll be PC for the sake of remaining a normal human being.

This is bigger than science fiction or even any Star Wars film plot… Millions of mutineers with nothing better top do than try to kill off star wars?

Crazy world man! Can not believe this stuff don’t mind normal discussion but the social media buzz is far from positive and I abstained after the first episode but It’s all too weird I don’t care put it that way for myself.

Can’t deal with the reality that is being fed to me on some weird internet article here it is below.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

I have read peoples views and without seeing the film I have affirmed my position for not partaking in this further installment.

For me personally this sums up why I want nothing to do with these further installments reading articles about bogus mutineer audience reaction scores it is pure insanity.

SilverWook said:

The only thing Disney is paying attention to is box office and merchandising. And it’s boffo. If they paid any serious mind to social media, we’d have gotten an answer to the bloody OOT question this past year.

that has been answered in starbucks or megabucks or credits… Keep up :}

well I think you can certainly expect a lower budget on the last Episode given the social media reaction.

It looks like a 50/50 split so the budget will be aligned accordingly for losses.

With an Awry Han Solo movie hanging in the balance this is a bit of a downturn…

Been here before learnt my lesson walk away best attitude if you do not like.