I am probably just too tired and exhausted from working long days and having no time for myself.
I apologise for gibberish and being a bit exhausted then.
The one thing about the chasm or Death Star core that I seem to remember is Leia firmly kissing Luke. Which is in the trailer but she does not kiss him it would seem in the theatrical version or the special edition.
Wrong again
Never said I was right but I think part of the problem would be if the TV stations were using the trailer footage to advertise “Star Wars” and you see that more than what was actually in the film which one would you rember. Obviously the one you saw most often.
There is no need to be a dick like i am always wrong. I never said I was convinced of my memory.
The one thing about the chasm or Death Star core that I seem to remember is Leia firmly kissing Luke. Which is in the trailer but she does not kiss him it would seem in the theatrical version or the special edition.
But yeah I will admit perhaps I am mis-remembering.
That to me is the Star Wars on TV aside from thst no difference.
You obviously are not alone and although I have no memory of the things that you speak of. The content exists for those moments apart from the wedge scene but we also know that wedge was swapped out for dennis lawson so nothing you are saying is rubbish.
One can only assume this must have been some kind of broadcadt version, if your memory is not failing you.
Many of the claims do actually relate to missing content which has surfaced and exists where as many claims do appear to be misremembering. But the claims about content that has actually now surfaced obviously can not be lies. or it’s a case of knowing it was diffetent and also mistemembeting.
I found myself in this situation before with a broadcast version that was slightly different.
Subtle differences are interesting and especially if it involves dialogue or a joke or action. My conclusion is there is a pre-release version that was different and was a bit more ambitious in a few parts but ultimately had to be dialed back or altered as special effects were not finished or censorship was applied.
But in terms of extra snippets you speak of the chasm or death star core is a very important scene which failed to re-appear before the death star exploded. This is also another part where I found some very interesting things in relation of the sound and the video.
actually it failed to appear at all.
It’s a good rumour list. And It’s not surprising.
I do wonder at what point in time the Biggs scenes was taken out. I think it will be interesting to see how it might of worked re-integrated but all in all parts of that story remain in the film and I can see why people feel an importance of that part more than any other.
Where are you getting your information? Sorry, but it’s completely wrong.
Ronster in a nutshell.
I am actually 100% correct, I will post a video later on about the splices that the soundmix was created for. Go and try it for yourself a have fun.
Well only if you are bothered about the sound and video in unison that is.
Is there any truth to the Canadian version including the bigg’s scenes on tattooine or is this one of those rumours?
This is exactly what I mean that even though there were revisions in this case It was not fully revised because we have a section where the sound and the video stop having their unique relationship to one another.
But really I just find that some shots we’re shoved in randomly to cover up stuff they did not have i.e. effects shots. Or shot’s left out mild censorship.
Here is an example… The death star gunners are shooting - We then cut to Wedge in the Death Star Trench who is not there at this time and then we cut to an x-wing on the Death Star surface which may I add is for the preceiding shot for where porkin’s dies.
So in this Calamity although it kind of works on the face of it…It’s obvious that the narrative should be if the Death Star gunner had simply destroyed an x-wing then Luke making his attack on the gunners which comes after would be the justified cheer because he was destroying the bad guys. So obvious stuff is pretty obvious. It has more to do with narrative but it’s a shame that these moments ended up like this. But to me it’s obvious narrative stuff, it’s small stuff really but what is meant to be there has been covered over with shot’s that are not supposed to be there…
And there could be more where the sound does not match the action watch out for them because this is the lost cut. The black and white one is just a rough cut.
I don’t particularly care too much for the actual deleted scenes that are released I care more about the deleted scenes that are covered over with other stuff and how that effects the sequences that got broken.
well perhaps I am misunderstanding what the lost cut is…
But essentially what I noticed was towards the end of the second shot the sound mix no longer matches the action. after the red lasers hit is splice point 1 to tantive shot in space splice point 2 is just before the laser appears on screen. Obviously I am assuming that each shot is spliced at the beginning and end also.
we then move the shots to be a to and fro / back and fourth and this then matches the sound mix.
you will notice also the star destroyer green laser that suddenly get’s covered over with red laser so it may have been that a further shot was planned of cutting away.
But the sound mix was made for a version that was assembled like this cutting back and fourth. So there was a different version of the opening which for some reason was un-spliced but the sound was not re-mixed or the splices were not replicated to conform to the edit Ben Burrt was working on.
I am not so interested in the black and white version. I am more interested in shots that were used to cover up alternative material of which there are not that many I don’t think.
I have just made quite an astonishing discovery and It backs up my thoughts on this whole “Lost Cut” that everyone would love to see.
Ok let’s look at the opening…
As Mike Verta correctly noticed there is element flashes that are out of synch by about 14 frames… So this is Just a simple error but when it comes to the lost cut get this!
As we carry on to the next shot the Tantive is shooting back at the star destroyer and the Star destroyer is shooting back at the Tantive…
OK the sound mix was made for the “lost cut” so as the Tantive leaves screen we cut to the Tantive in Space then back to the Star destroyer for it’s Last Flurry of Lasers then Back to the Tantive being hit and the explosion.
The soundmix was made for it to be a to and fro cut away as the sound does not match the video unless we make 2 extra cuts and rearrange the footage according to the soundmix.
So although the mystery about the lost cut is what was in it, it is’nt so much that. It has more to do with how it was simply different, but yes it does have missing scenes but these were covered with alternate footage so the lost cut might only be a small bit longer in my opinion. But also yes it does have extra scenes but not all that much more and it is still very much the film you saw but with a few differences in obvious places .
But the discovery of the to and fro cut between the ships is really for me a door to a greater understanding and how the lost cut is there already it’s just in a different order with a few alternatives.
This is a small bit of star wars history being discovered.
Basically It comes down to identifying redundancy within the film and taking a lead from the audio mix, but all I can say is it’s different but not by all that much. It’s all there just in a different order and a few small extra tidbits scattered through out.
take bladerunner for instance there is’nt any stupidness about the what 4 different versions and no huge whining over the san diego sneak preview thats never been released.
Blade runner has been released on blu-ray and dvd in I don’t know how many versions. Where as the ot is only released in the version that Lucas wants to shove down our throats. Also I think there is a big difference between a preview version of a film and a version of a film that is the official and basically only version for the first 20 years of its existence.
that is ok but the san diego version had a few unique things about it.
Basically my point is about " Band waggoning" Blade runner does not get band waggoned Star wars does.
Blade Runner is a bit more mature in terms of it’s content.
Star Wars from return of the Jedi turned for appealing to the kids or childrrn more so but try to leave enough to still keep an adult interest.
But what star wars is now is try to please everyone but that unhortunately invites everyone also. But when people also monetize hating there is far more incentive to spread the hate.
It’s pretty bad but that is unsociable media for you…
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One might wonder if GDPR is actually to root out the fanatics or limit it even if it claims to be about privacy and tracking. either way there is a big bubble in the internet data collection and money chain an awful lot is way over valued and a lot of information is totally worthless. But that bubble will burst one day.
Arguably, reducing Jar Jar to nearly a cameo in Episode III was allowing some angry abusive fans to dictate things?
Lest we forget, he buried the original THX-1138 in 2004 and only a much smaller fanbase noticed or cared.
there is’nt as much lime light surrounding that film, THX1138, I actually like both the original and the special edition versions different cut’s are allowed to have there own merits take bladerunner for instance there is’nt any stupidness about the what 4 different versions and no huge whining over the san diego sneak preview thats never been released. The point is although Bladerunner still remains a collosal film it somehow does not attract the idiots as much because it’s more cerebral. Star Wars is simple pulp fun and it is made in a way that it has something for everyone hence why it get’s shall we say “band waggoned” and never before has it been like it is now but it is going in a bad direction and Disney have a responsibility to put something out there i.e. “not in our name” rather than turn a blind eye. It perhaps has come to a crux between rock and hard place but the toxicity is not a death bell but it is like a lead weight dragging everything down and unfortunately change will have to occur to rid the stink of it because it just is not going to go away. There are far to many social media platforms earning off of hate… It might be youtube channels or twitter or what ever. Those people are out to earn off of getting clicks by spewing off about stuff that will appeal to agenda and those social media platforms target the various groups. They don’t neccasarily believe in or care about what is being spewed out as long as they earn the money. the mindless idiots who actually buy “the opinion” crap these morons spout off about to earn money then go fourth and feel empowered to hate on something because this opinion is a collective kind of “cool”. Although it is actually a network of social opinion earners.
Basically freedom of speech i have no problem with, but the whole sale “let’s attack” star wars and make money from this social opinion side of the franchise for clicks / adverts is really blatently obvious.
if you took the money away from the youtube accounts and all the other stuff it would dissapear instantly. Perhaps social opinion should not be allowed to earn?
where as actual instructional or just simply interesting and creative stuff should?
Perhaps there does need to be a creativity meter to earn off a soicial media channel rather than just some twats opinion
Vader and Bast Deleted scene Audio Mix
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tld2pilkn543x87/Star+Wars+IV+-+5+-+Commander+Bast+and+Vader.wav
Did my best with this I think it’s ok and could be used… I left a bit on the start and a bit on the end so it’s maliable.
Sorry but although it’s quite a serious threat to search every household in the system I can’t stop giggling in a way but well Star wars is fun so I think it works 😃
I put the deleted scene before Luke and the destroyed sandcrawler before he goes “home” as this scene seems to be an admission to failure that they followed the sale of the droids but did not find them.
So in a way it is quite a serious thing… But I still find it quite funny also when out of context.
But I guess It’s more nervous laughter to hear something like you never heard it before.
it is the making of books in digital form.
Making of Star Wars ESB and ROTJ.
You can also find the odd snippets in Empire of Dreams which is on DVD.
by all means have a go on what is available… But there is no holy grail of amazing quality deleted scenes.
If we can even have decent DVD quality versions that are clean I think it would still please some but obviously some people will take nothing less than HD. And this in a nutshell is the issue that it’s that trade off between having higher quality film vs lower quality deleted scenes and the only sensible option if you think realistically is having to lower the quality of the actual film to match the deleted scenes. But it’s an interesting curio of mine and I like to try to piece together things just to simply understand the film better.
Good luck and please have a go.
BD deleted scenes and the Apple mac Rinzler ebook was better quality than the windows version I believe.
I hear what you mean. Yeah it’s possible that Ben Burt mixed the same donkey brays that was much of Chewie’s dialogue in at a low volume to flesh out the sound. Sound designers often mix lion roars etc. into explosions to add menace. That’s probably all that it is. Still, I like your version better. I can just picture a Wookiee DJ with some headphones and a wicked 1977 afro wailing on the microphone. 😛
imperial wookie with a helmet on 😉
he’s the engineer who cut’s the door open 😃
but yeah like you said it’s donkey brays or something…
I also got to thinking Ben Burrt had to remix this part because stuff got moved about for whatever reason so it might have been an angry growl… Just think about how many times the soldiers are simply looking around…
Which may I add Ben Burt does an amazing job of covering this but there was quite a bit more to that part rather than looking about all the time.
I had already started working on the Cantina Ponda Baba Decapitation and alternate content.
In this Version we have a close up on Dr Evanzan as he approaches Luke before tapping him on the shoulder you can hear his shuffle in the sound mix so it’s actually a legit take.
The whole Lightsaber fight has been tightened removing extraneous material so everything happens in real time and there is nothing happening twice.
Ponda Baba Decapitated off screen with sound effects, his head replaces the Wolfman arm and gun as his hands are different but his head sure is not apart from it’s come off his shoulders.
Greedo Takes an interest in Han Solo Bargaining with Luke and Obi-wan again I think this scene was moved so again legit and better.
Luke and Ben Leave earlier I think it makes more sense.
Han Get’s held up by Greedo all in the same scene unbroken quick cut away to cantina weirdo.
There is no doubt about Han shooting first
Here it is.
Feedback as It’s in rough form if there are no suggestions for anything then I will do it in better quality.
Enjoy and Thanks
Just having a quick play with color.
Guess at what shot was meant to look like
Original version
Pretty big difference and I think even if it meant fixing up the washed out effects through grading it better, it would be worth doing something like this to unlock the potential some of the shots already have which are sorely lacking vibrancy.
Would make for a very interesting color grade project for the special effects shots just to bring those up a notch would propel the film towards a much more enjoyable experience. It looks far less like a cardboard cut out now also. Forgive youtube screen grab it was only a quick test.
One more guess
Original
Doing this sort of process would not perform a miracle but I do think it’s exactly what it needs. It can look and feel much better than it does.
guess
Original
guess
original
The last 2 space shots are nowhere near as bad IMO
Missing Matte Element???
I saw spicedivers edit last night and I can honestly say I understand the film better than i ever had previously.
I still think there is a bit of room for some further improvement but It is very well done.
here are some notes about the edit that are fairly sparce.
On the opening narration when princess irulian fades away then fades back in again something was obviously meant to fill the gap footage wise.
missing shots of guild navigator ship landing.
it is quite a while before I noticed anything else until the Harkonan attack Arrakis.
I liked the removal of internal dialogue some more should be removed if possible.
The attack on Arrakis Base and aftermath are very mixed up. Duke Leto Paul Jessica and Huey scenes should come after the Battle… The give away is the Baron talking about sending a reconassince craft before the Harkonan ship has crashed. This part needs more re-structuring re-arranging but amongst the overall re-structure that has been done was excellent this remains the part that needs attention.
During the Battle laser bolts are missing.
During the fremen attack on spice production some of the weirding module shouts lack audio effects for the voice.
This is the best version I have seen yet though and it is a fascinating version and it’s very close to being finished.
I feel it needs a small bit more editing but it’s not like this edit fixes the story I would say about 90%
Some improved special effects would also improve some parts or observing errors such as craft launch from Caladan but the planet is grey not blue.
Look at this lobby card to see what it should look more like as it’s not so much the spacial effects but it looks totally wrong.
Personally I don’t think it would be that strange just we jumped forward in time to when they exit hyperspace.
Anyway I have been pondering what my perfect special edition version would be recently but I would roll back the whole tattoine section back to theatrical version bar sandcrawler extra shot and Falcon take off shot.
Updated the preceding post and the OP to remove the idea of hybridizing the original and SE versions of the establishing shot/sequence of Han and Leia in their apartment on Cloud City. If I were trying to “thread the needle” with a perfect version, I’d like to do it that way. But, for a tweaked SE intended as a companion to a properly restored OOT, the SE sequence is just fine.
I also decided that it is worth making an additional exception to the rule by depicting the Falcon as being in hyperspace after the escape from the Death Star in ANH, as Adywan did. At first I thought, “It’s not like ANH had no concept of a hyperspace blue tunnel thing which reflects into the cockpit, because we see it when Han comes out of hyperspace over Alderaan’s location. They just, for whatever reason, chose not to depict this scene in that way.” But, then I remembered that Vader describes the company as just having made the jump into hyperspace immediately prior to the scene, and no passage of time can be inferred.
While I would prefer to stick close to the official versions, this and Adywan’s emperor scene would be worthwhile, wholesome exceptions.
Either you can show them in Hyper space or coming out of hyper space before the cockpit sequence starts that way you add an extra shot and the original footage requires no tampering with then.
What about this: https://giphy.com/gifs/3ov9k8TOUWrr4fJtKw
I think this is a good idea. 😃
exactly this but the multiple triangles are the temp fx. So that was the flight path of the star destroyer.
although I have been trying to figure some stuff out recently i have had no time to try anything out hardly because I am just constantly working with 3 hours travelling also there and back. soon I will get some time off soon and then i can get something done. But I do hope sky_ does not feel he has to get every single frame clean and pristine because a lot is quite unuseable.
I looked at the blue milk scene yesterday and I then realized this was also pretty difficult to incorporate and pretty worthless.
I might be hearing things but is this sound at 3.31 a wookie growl?
https://youtu.be/yHfLyMAHrQE?t=211
Listen carefully for the aaarrrrgghh.
Now it’s either something that sounds quite a bit like a Wookie or it is a Wookie?
What do you think?
I have pondered that it might be an imperial Wookie trolling over the intercom behind the airlock door 😃
Sky_ I have just had a thought about this gap in the footage where Luke run’s up the stairs.
as I said previously I thought it might have been the game table in the bar.
I don’t think that makes much sense though. I now think as Luke goes up away from his speeder in this gap before he comes over the other side we see the escape pod shooting across the sky in the distance. Then obviously the irony is that they missed all the action. It’s another gag as they all clamour to see nothing going on in the far reaches of the atmosphere the big action that was more close to home was totally missed with bad timing.
In terms of the Luke Binoculars segment I would cut that down to about 10 seconds max. Or even consider unuseable. but it is a very short scene. Absolutely no Treadwell in the sequence. It needs to be as quick as is possible luke fiddling spots something looks through binoculars fx shot jumps in speeder and drives off if it could be done in 7 seconds it would be about right.
The cut in point may be after the Tantive uderbelly star destroyet shot. When we cut to the corridor with 3p0 and R2-D2 this is replaced by Luke. On the Underbelly this is where I think the first escape pod is launched and destroyed and the explosion is what draws luke’s attention to the sky above. potentially you could cut straight to the binoculars fx shot and then just have luke drive off.
Having looked at the unbelly sequence again just now I have goune back to my original position. between the opening title and a long time ago. fade up binoculats fx luke jumps in land speeder drives off title card and opening crawl.
For Vader and Bast scene take a lead from the holiday special on how much of the footage you need to work on as this is the cut that was to be used.
The Luke a bigs and toushe station scenes work in their entireity I think.
The blue milk I imagine tops off at about 3 seconds only seeing the milk poured cut to dinner table.
Reason for saying this is to perhaps cut the workload down and only concentrate on what is useable.
Pittrek well done some very interesting dialogue parts which is really what makes an extended edition authentic.
I don’t want to distract myself from Star wars at the moment though the one thing that has taken up a lot of my concentration is the escape pod sequence and I may have finally had the Eureaka moment!
Here is my plan and it will involve changing things quite a bit unfortunately but It might end up being much much better but until I try it I won’t know.
This is the proposal for the edit and segment.
Laser Blast hits corridor 3P0 climbs in through Hatch. Replace sound of the hatch closing.
I may need to cut away to an exterior shot here of Star destroyer with blockade runner actually clmped in.
Cut to 3P0 and R2-D2 sitting in the Pod. “thats funny the damage does not look as bad from out here”. What will be different here is that I will put the interior edge of the Launch ring on the outer edge of the Window and a starfield. But the Ring will also have another Hatch which opens which reveals the starfield. I will then Resume the music cue for the Launch after “are you sure this thing is safe?” Then on the Launch I will try to restore the boosters igniting and the tunnel to try to finish this shot add missing parts matte elements. I will cover the shot of the escape Pod with the shot from ESB special edition dvd menu of Pod towards camera. Then when the gunner let’s the Pod escape we cut straight to the Pod flying towards Tattooine. On this shot as the Pod goes into the distance I plan to show the Pod detach the nose cone and shoot off left towards the planet. A bit similar to Predator opening space sequence so we see the Pod but a part detaches and goes towards the planet.
This sounds fairly extraneous and you may ask why change it. But I really want to fix this whole non-sensical part somehow. Then extension will come from another Pod being destroyed. Wish me luck.
“There goes another one”
I created a “kind of extended” version of not the whole movies, but only some of the segments. Almost none of the scenes was however restored, and I honestly don’t know if it’s good enough for a “release”.
It would be nice if you could share an example but, This is exactly my feelings that a base version should be decided on that it will be extended and then any effort from anyone the content will build gradually. and done with bolt on segments as you say. I think despecialised would be a good choice but it will soon look like the technicolor version so it will be quite different from previous versions I imagine. So perhaps it might be better to wait a bit but I will try and put something up here next week at some point.
Oh yeah this is also something that I never understood until recently but on the gunfight in docking bay 97 the Falcon turrets are firing aswell as Han’s Blaster. So a thought i had was to somehow show a turret letting a blast off in close up for the large explosion that takes a massive chunk out the wall.
watch out for the storm trooper for whom we only see the tail end of his death… i.e. Falcon Shoots big explosion. Han Shoots kills storm trooper but the way it is edited it is made to look as though Han shoots massive explosion.
I think the footage without lasers is in the trailer for the trooper death but flacon shooting would need to be made.