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#1306691
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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I can’t find a solution to the fremen oppression prior to atreides take over of Arrakis just yet as an idea

It is really a tricky one… unless there is some sort of fremen text or something that could be quoted about the Harkonnen rule of Arrakis and express a hatred of them instead of the dedication to fredrico deLaurentis at the very start I honestly can’t think of a place to handle this or how to begin to sow that thread.

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#1306676
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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benduwan said:

4throck said:

Again 100% agree. If you are able to show the water sellers that would be great.

Related to narration, perhaps the cutscenes from Dune2000 (game) offer something usable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Is3sVVniQ

For example, around 29:00 they talk about the shield wall being breached.
The visuals are too low resolution but perhaps the audio is usable.

You also have cutscenes from Emperor: Battle for Dune. Here are some:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYYq-t90rQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eODItHK7wbM

there are all new scenes create for the game or some cut scenes from the movie?

Before Dr Yueh scans the fremen house servants in the Palace with Jessica there was a small dialogue bit about the water sellers which is unreleased. The shot of fremen outside the palace gates though is on the DVD.

He says something like “can you hear the water sellers calling Souk Souk” or something like that… It is in the script. But there is no further elaboration on this or that water selling was banned and a better system of free rationing was employed by the atreides.

The problem is that we never get a sense of the oppresssion the harkonnens inflicted on the fremen and how the atreides were much more compassionate.

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#1306668
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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only one shot caught my eye was a shot from the cable car window on geidi prime. Possibly would be worth using.

But I will see if there is any sound effects or dialogue worth trying to isolate. Essentially I kind of want to stick to the script and recreate the missing stuff that may or may not have been shot

The TV cut has shots for the Sandakar arrival on Geidi prime and the landing field ready to depart or just returned from Arrakis so I plan to add the building from the concept art to those shots.

The Sandakar train on that prision planet Selussus secondus or what ever it is called. It would nice to some how include a small beat about it but not sure…

I like the guy with the robot head in the HR geiger chair though and his voice effects.

Failure is not an option as a tag line for the Sandakar.

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#1306591
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Something I thought was important from the mini-series was Jessica banning the water sellers outside the palace and aallowing free rashions for the city fremen rather than the Harkonnen style growing the palm trees and exploiting the city fremen to pay for their water…

In the script this is only vaguely spoken about by Dr. Yueh in a small deleted segment as he explains the water sellers and there is no script entry for the free ration system. But the Fremen at the gates was shot with their funny hats…

I would like to somehow include the bit about the palms in the filmbook as intended… Harkonnens flaunting their water wealth. I wonder if it is the picture of the large rock wall with the trees on top? This is the alternative I imagine to the “weather. See Storms. No precipitation” in the film book.

https://mobile.twitter.com/duneinfo/status/1161718950503288833

Seems as though this was purposefully removed the palm trees… So I won’t do this now but I defo want to do the sandworm filmbook that Doctor Yueh says that he has for Paul on Caladan.

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#1306545
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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I watched the mini series about a month ago and altgough it was alright it is nowhere near as good as this film in terms of acting design visuals music and sound and costumes but the story and how it was done was quite well executed.

So that was when I then realised there are Guild satellites orbitibg Arrakis monitoring the Choam company output so i was planning to use that Model from Battle Beyobd the Stars and then simply have a message over the guild logo.

Cut to navigators visiting the emperor or something like that…

Gurney is also with a group of Spice smugglers so yeah that other model 'space cowboy" ship could perhaps fill that blank.

Paul looking through the binoculars was meant to co-incide with the spice smuggler raid so I kind of thought it could be possible perhaps to try and show that somehow.

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#1306529
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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I actually was going to use a synthesized voice from a web page that has numerous voices to choose from.

But this is along the right lines for the true planned guild report that was planned for the second visit to the emperor.

https://youtu.be/zzXwc3M84iE

The way I am sort of handling it or how I thibk it works best is using natural real footage waves, Space, Lava Eruption, sky, Lightning. I think visually this blends and can accomodate voiceover.

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#1306433
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Yeah but the point is Lynch had it in the can… All the major plot points from the novel were covered in the script and no doubt shot so the material just needs to be released and why not?

This emphasises the failure of the TV cut even more that although the water of life sequence was reshot there was still the sub plot of Jessica being the traitor, Alia being unnacepted for who she was and so on.

The TV cut was never going to restore Sting killing the Sandakar captain on Geidi-prime probably due to violence or Doctor Yueh laser cutting the dead Harkonnen to get the message out of his body, Max Von Sydow killed by the Spice Blow of the sand trout baby worms. But even if we accept it as a censored version with terrible audio and two pieces of music playing simultaneously quite a few times. It is still a failure because it never re-integrated the material that was needed towards the end the Coam report and the true guild report about Spice was in serious trouble.

Everyone loves the thuffer huwat death scene that still never made the TV cut should it not be obvious that these scenes are the story just tell the story of Dune and stop worrying about offending people with content that is of more graphic nature and tell the story proprrly.

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#1306375
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Yes you are correct francesca de laurentis talks in the documentary on the Universal EE DVD about the alternative water of Life sequence and how the reshoot was designed to replace about 7 other scenes and also no doubt truncated the ending to a point that as you say is quite unrepairable without that material.

I think The start as I currently have it I feel I can stamp it resolved or fixed although I still need to complete some more shots and transitions.

My hopes on this Are resting on the Koch media release having the remainder of scenes I listed from the script the big chunk from that end part. If it does not surface then fans will never to get to see let alone attempt to reconstruct a full and proper version.

But there are more shpts to complete that are unfinished so plenty more to still chip away at.

That narration I linked to I am probably going to cut short at… “control for their own selfish purposes…” and I am going to try and find an alternative to having Irulian appear for which I have 2 ideas about how to possibly do this.

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#1306034
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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The Plan is that the first 30 minutes or so will be released to stream on the anniversary of Dune on 12th December that should be just enough time to sort a few things out as I don’t have time right now.

The idea is that this will be a self contained bolt on to fix the major flaws at the opening act.

This could then be added or spliced in to either the theatrical / extended cut or say spicediver version or any other version if you should so wish

So if there is anything that you feel is hindering the film or errors mistakes in the opening first act please let me know. I am not sure if I will make it to geidi prime by the 12th December but I have ideas for it…

Any Suggestions?

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#1305655
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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I don’t like cgi all that much and cgi recreations I prefer just image and art manipulation.

That is why i like your still image of the escape pod…

Actually i don’t think all the special edition mattes are wholly cgi creations. Been getting into matte paintings and art recently that is all.

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#1305308
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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4throck said:

Perhaps the Spaceballs shot was intended as an external view ?
All that stuff around the tube does look like a ship’s exterior.

If we consider it as an external view and place the Star Wars capsule there, we get:
alt text

Anyway, it’s not a nice model and we gain nothing by seeing it.

That is brilliant I think 😃

It could find a place I reckon or it’s possible…

Tack said:

Ady, hate to be a nuisance (and I know this suggestion might be a bit of a tall order), but I think it would be a welcome change to improving the editing continuity of the Yavin IV scenes.

In this shot, I think it could be beneficial to add the Falcon to the left side of the screen, behind the foliage. Not only would this be a nice visual link to Rogue One with the ships on the tarmac, but also a better connection to the previous shot of the Falcon landing (even as a kid, I was always confused where the Falcon landed). Additionally, this would be a comparatively easy change since it’s a static shot and could feasibly be accomplished with a still image. Just some food for thought. Keep up the good work!

This is from the trading cards…Looks much better but skin tones no good.

Did a bit more on this one back in September… not sure what happened to the sides but falcon and some parts look a bit better. Using various parts from different views you can get more detail into the image although better cropped also.

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#1304203
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Been Animating the filmbook and trying to get the updated content to blend…Not Easy.

But from as far as music and Narrative is concerned this is as close to the Lynch version as I can get… The Dune Story book confirmed this order of events and it is based on the script.

There has been some Good Music and Sound edits but restoring the music cues has given me confirmation that I am putting it back in the intended order…

The Music for House Atreides blends perfectly with the music of the opening credits…

Although I have not been able to replace the emperors palace a good color correction will do but after this scene with the Navigator the Rest of the Narration was supposed to play after the Bene Gesserit Reverand Mother Says “On Caladan” leading us back to Caladan.

https://youtu.be/2FEtlO6_ulQ?t=52

Start point Linked
The Cut / end point point is “Given birth to a Son”

Actually It might be Voice over for the part about the Guild… Then Irulian Appears on “The Bene Gesserit sisterhood has been interfering with the Blood Lines”

It is fitting together very easily in this order because it’s made to go in this order… The Music and the Footage and the Story.

This is the part the TV cut does a very weird edit… It has the Irulian footage though so it was not needed at all… The Irulian narration needs removing from the Caladan waves and castle which I have done to allow this in it’s intended place.

The actual scene order for Paul’s Dream Jessica and Reverand Mother visit and the associated scenes are also in the incorrect order so I hope to make this at least chronologically correct.

The Reverand mother Voice over and scene “Here it comes…” has been put in the correct location… and a shot from inside the Navigator Tank looking at the Emperor has had Smoke / Gas added as has the shots of the Navigator inside the tank where smoke is missing

The Other thing I need to do is get the Super in place on the dropship landing at the palace to say “Planet Kaitain Home to the emperor of the known universe” Interestingly the comic simply has it as “Planet Kaitain home of House Corrino”

And in the next picture expands it to “And the Emperor of the Known Universe”

If anyone can identify the font? let me know what it is…

Ok found it

http://fontsgeek.com/fonts/ITC-Avant-Garde-Gothic-LT-Bold

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#1303940
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Dirty Harry - Color Regrade and New 5.1 remix project (Released)
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kchrules said:

https://vimeo.com/371054639/5a71498441
Here is a new crack at it. I used the aforementioned FS DVD as the color source. It’s the same 2:20 as before. The big video on the top half is the re-grade/re-color, the video on the bottom left is the untouched blu ray, and bottom right is the FS DVD (which I tried to emulate)

Whilst I think It looks good… Try now to bring in the red and the green to a similar level in the bluray but without ruining the way you have it looking now…

So a subtle boost of red and green. Look at scorpio’s hair and the trees on the roof from the Blu ray.

Not as over accentuated as the Blu Ray but some of what it has…

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#1303920
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Here are the current assets for the film book sequence at the start


This was resized

“See Spice Mining” This last one will have Luma Key for video footage to come underneath it.

I wish I was not so tired from work but it will do for now…Note The triangle sides from the filmbook that have been added on the Full screen to match the actual object in widescreen.

Bene Thlilax, training planet of the Mentats…

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#1303072
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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It’s not out until next year the new transfer…

Although I have produced a lot of art… The edit so far is very organic for the opening unlike a sci fi movie or traditional sci fi movie.

Everytime I try to make it more sci fiction it just wants to be a natural film.

The transition to kaitain may go through a water droplet as originally planned from black screen.

To a Side view of Landed dropship…

I am also feeling the Palace should be more regal and old fasioned.

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#1303041
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Dealing With Kaitain was not happy with the Look for Kaitain here is a better version and it a similar art style…

Emperors Palace replacement

Attempt at Blend Probably needs to scale down but I think this may be one of those ideas that are a waste of time…

Although the transition from the Sleeper must Awaken to the dropship works well enough… I think it still could be better visually and I’m not sure how to handle Kaitain at all… Ideas welcome.

Assets for the Filmbook have been prepared and I have done the opening and quite a lot of good edits basically I plan to do some slot in updates which I will share when ready…

When I come to this Transition I have thought about having a Guild Report but not as in the Movie… I thought about just the Guild Logo on a screen… And then Showing Kaitain out the Viewscreen but not particularly sure on how to visually improve this part… I could cut the dropship entirely and have the Shot’s of the Landed for when the Guild visit the emperor later… It’s a bit of a no simple solution moment for this…

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#1302813
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Last few bits and pieces… But I wanted to get some of these things done.

Kaitain Green Screen Element

CHOAM Logo Luma key

Improved Heighliner Image with alpha

But I am quite tempted by using the Whale Probe in Star Trek IV if that could be put in somehow it would be amazing I think…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aB_v47u4go

Another possible way is to give the Heighliner Color where it is missing…

This was just rough but I would love to combine the Star Trek 4 model and the Heighliner Somehow…

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#1302716
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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There is probably a link between the Dennis Villeneuvue Remake and them Restoring this version to cash in on potential new interest in the property yes.

But although the TV cut has it’s merits for restoring material why not just restore the rest of the material and present a expanded Rough cut?

The TV cut is pretty Clunky when it comes to the missing scene cards and how this was handled… It could be edited better by a teenager today… So I don’t mind them restoring that at all but there is a case for why bother with it entirely in the state it’s in and make a proper extended version as they can do what they like / want with it.

Also considering if you are going through the Original Camera Negatives just scan all the scenes in from what must of been referenced on the reels on the approx 4 hour rough cut.

Anyway

Guess what film this is from? Actually this may work as The Outside of the shield wall…

Interior Sietch perhaps

Arrakis Distance Matte

Above Shield wall?

The Conan the Destroyer Mountain would be good for showing the other Sietch where Alia is Taken… If it could be Implied and joined with Rabaan in the desert then perhaps we could then have a bit of extra plot… There is a shot in the Emperor of Dune game where a Harkonnen slits a Fremens throat and throws him down a sand dune… Then show Rabaan in the Desert then the Sietch (Conan the Destroyer) Then the emperors Lines fill in the Gap and we see Rabaans Severed Head as the Baron Enters.

When the Harkonnen Thopter is flying over Rocks we only see the Rocks and no Thopter. This Thopter Image has been extracted for use on the shots just before Paul Commandeers the Thopter.

Last One for today

Upper Interior Shield wall for the missing scene Harkonnen Signal Light in the Cliffs and Perhaps Ships coming Over the Shield wall… It is for keying out the red.

Ok could not resist it could make cool shots with this one…

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#1302570
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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benduwan said:

Ronster said:

If we get some extra deleted material on the new release and the existing deleted material in good quality (Fingers crossed) this film could very well turn out to be something very special.

a new release?
when?
last i know is the japanese dune box.

Koch Media are Releasing a new transfer in 2020 both Versions… It has new extra’s Licensed such as the cine film Sean young shot during production… But that is all that is currently known.

Let’s hope while they are going through the original camera negatives that they find some of the scenes from the scripts… Extra dialogue and plot and action is what we want to see, although if they find some special effects stuff too all the more interesting. 😃

I don’t really care if they are cleaned up either, but David Lynch would order them presented properly like with Blue Velvet and Fire Walk with me, so there is no need to ask him on that count. I don’t mind seeing extra stuff even of the same or similar quality we already have if it was between a choice of seeing it and not seeing it, but this is not confirmed any new extra material will be made available.

Just in case you were wondering why I have been logging and chronicling all known material 😃

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#1302478
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Thanks,

Replacement Matte after they crash… Suddenly a really boring still image comes up on screen

“Hurry this crash might Bring a worm!”

Original

EDIT
This should be replaced with live footage

“The Big Rock is further than I thought…”

Albert Whitlock 1967 the Way West Matte put in had to remove the clouds because it is on Arrakis… But there is a nice extra bit of whitlock and using it for the moons also but anyway bit of fun 😃 Perhaps needs a bit of Lightning. Pleased with how it came out in the end.

moon shots are all clunky apart from the TV cut let water be a bond between us. Going to Use Superman 2 moon matte for second moon.

The Model Moon just looks wrong IMO and the matte moon looks Good that we see with the hand on it but the second moon just looks like a test shot.


they were obviously going for this in the film…

2nd Moon Matte

Check out the shot during shield practice also that is clearly not kyle McGlaughan… In fact the shot is not even needed it actually creates an issue being put in. Just delete…

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#1302296
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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Low Interest can become High Interest if you can see the potential in it 😃 Superman 2 matte mixed with Dune Atreides Heighliner.

I admit it’s a mess of a film but those are the films that are ripe for fan editing…

If we get some extra deleted material on the new release and the existing deleted material in good quality (Fingers crossed) this film could very well turn out to be something very special.

I am sticking to my guns on environment mattes would propel this film Visually but It’s the story that needs sorting out most of all.

using this Matte for the 2nd moon would also be a good option…

Basically this film does not want it’s visual effects updating so much as that it just needs to be Evened out… But yeah the Story needs deleted scenes but Visually I think it can be fixed by mixing in Mattes from other films to create a linear aesthetic.

Trying to find the right look for Arrakis… THe Idea would be “Arrakis, Dune, Desert PLanet…” Something like this Image into filmbook “See Spice Mining” into filmbook sequence…Leaving out the whole “here we are now” and all that rubbish straight to Arrakis and a glorious image of it that would captivate.

This is about the best looking thing I could find for arrakis that has that Golden Era of Matte effects look about it 😃

So anyway that is mostly the art part out the way pretty much.

But thinking about it some more the Choam Company Logo would make more sense before the “Spice Mining” filmbook and save that image for later. Keeping the film book simple is key to making it better.

We never need to see Geidi Prime or Planet Kaitain at all from space.

Did Geidi Prime anyway just in case…

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#1302244
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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4th Rock, I have been playing about with the opening part a bit and I am getting more conviced that having to talk about planet names in anyway shape or form apart from Arrakis is where this film is faltering.

New order at the moment really want to get the start nailed proper.

start as in theatrical

Caladan meet the main characters up until “The Sleeper must awaken”

Ship Landing on Kaitain and Emperor.

We need to take a look at Paul Atreides into Pauls dream.

footage was bridged using shots of waves from “Big Wednesday”

I have discovered the TV prologue has the Original cue for the Opening with the Waves on Caladan the Castle and the Window of Paul’s Study

a perfect Matte shot for the Sietch on Arrakis could be the mountain matte from Conan the Destroyer Opening Credits (Funnily enough in production at the same time and same studio by same company as Dune)

Dune really looked it’s best with the Albert Whitlock Matte shot of the ships Landing and as many others have stated the effects are un-even aside from Worms and Carlo Rombaldi’s foreground miniatures and so on… It Kind of feels to me the more I look at this film at it’s opening it does not want to be a sci-fi film but evolves into one, but it does want to have worlds or environments but more like traditional Matte shots seem to really suit the film.

I started thinking about Using the Albert Whitlock Matte for “the Island” but composite the castle Caladan miniature on the top to even that out in some way visually. The shot of the castle in the rain does sell the castle better in my opinion from the TV cut.

I don’t mind the Designs for the Ships in the Film apart from the Ornithopter but it feels like it needs some sort of subtle expansion although my mind has currently changed a bit on this now it needs more environment with a splash of vehicles visually.

But as you can see the Albert Whitlock really feels Dune and the Rest just don’t really… So anyway there is some thoughts on art. The Ron Miller Still might be for the filmbook weather report?

The Matte at the end is an unused matte from the film.

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#1301658
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Dune - radical fan edit <strong>ideas</strong>
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New Release of Dune 1984 coming in 2020 by Koch Media from Original Camera Negative… New Special features too but no mention of the huge amount of missing material…

Extended Dialogue scenes. I want to log them because It’s taken quite a bit of time to study the script in detail.

After the Fight with Gurney (Shield Practice) Paul “Things have been so Serious here Lately”
GURNEY
Yes. I sensed the play in you lad, but this
can no longer be play. Tomorrow we leave
for Arrakis! Arrakis is real. The Harkonnens
are real.

Then Later in the conversation.

Paul “The eyes yes, yes saturation of the blood by the Spice Melange”

Thuffir - A world is Supported by 4 things
Paul - Learning of the Wise, justice of the great, prayers of the righteous and valor of the brave
Thuffir - The First law of a Mentat
Paul- THuffir…Please…
Thuffir - Paul… the First Law and in the Proper form!
Paul - Because a Mentat is trained for Supreme Logic, he knows process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process…Must join it… Must flow with it.

Will I get to see an guild Navigator on my crossing to Arrakis?

Thuffir - No they will be far off in the control rooms of the Heighliner. Now tell me of the Harkonnens and some History of Arrakis It’s still testing time.
Paul - Our mortal enemies the Harkonnens, Held Arrakis in Quasi fiefdom for 80 years under the choam company contract to mine the geriatric spice melange. Now under orders from the emperor we must replace the Harkonnens, but we must replace the Harkonnens in fief complete… A victory for my father… or atleast and apparent victory.
Thuffir - Apparent indeed. This appearance contains the deadliest peril. Duke Leto is extremely popular amongst the great houses of the Landsraad, and a popular man arouses the jealousy of the powerful…
Paul - THe Baron is our enemy yes, but behind him I expect the emperor…

Ok so big dialogue part here that negates the need for for the “Know a Mentat by his red stained Lips” possibly It also may mean that the edit was due to occur on the Signet ring instead as this info would come later. But still great info better delivered this way.

After the Scene where Duke Leto prepare the message for the Baron.

Jessica enters the Room.
Duke Leto - Did you look in on Paul?
Jessica - I…(starts to cry)
Duke Leto - Yes? Jessica! what is it?
Jessica - I’ll miss Caladan so much

This is important because she knows she is to lose Duke Leto as per Reverand mother.

Geidi Prime the Baron’s iconic opening Dialogue was shot as I thought.

Piter - They’ll leave Caladan soon, Baron, and I have an answer from Duke Leto… (And Alternate “They’ve left Caladan” 5th draft)
Baron - The Driest Planet in the universe, where they speak in hushed tones of moisture, let alone water… It would of course be a worthless rock were it not for the spice. So… It becomes the Biggest mantrap in history and duke Leto is headed into it’s jaws… What does it say Piter?

The Water Sellers outside the Arakeen Palace was touched upon and mentioned Between Yueh and Jessica before he checks the fremen staff of the Palace… You can also see a shot in the EE documentary of the crowd outside the palace.

Just before Jessica see’s the Shadout Mapes she has a vision of a Blurred Guild Navigator Paul Dead on a stone floor and Fire Burning… “I must speak with you Leto!”

After the scene where “Let water be a bond between us” we were meant to see the Flashing Harkonnen Light Signals in the cliffs of the shield wall… This is probably also the shot where the Ornithopter is flying up to the top of the shield wall also but was re-purposed. There was meant to be an Ornithopter sent out and also Ornithopters were also meant to be seen just before the Palace shield was to be raised.

Then in the scene with Thuffir and Duke Leto in observation room.

Thuffir - Supposedly he will Lead them to… true… Freedom. My Lord…
Duke Leto - what is it?
THuffir - My lord this is very difficult for me
Duke Leto - Get to it Thuffir!
Thuffir - yes my lord, a Harkonnen agent was killed last night. Before he died he started an acid erasure in a message canister he carried. We stopped that erasure. The remaining portion my lord is… I’ll read it to you… It starts “Leto will never suspect, and when SHE strikes, the blow falling upon him from a beloved hand, it’s source alone should be enough to destroy him.” I’ve authenticated that it was under the barons own Seal.

In Paul’s Room

Duke Leto - Sorry you have to sleep so far underground… We can’t take any chances… Paul I’m doing a hateful thing but I must… The Harkonnens wish to trick me into thinking your mother is the traitor. I’d sooner distrust myself.
Paul - Or me…
Duke Leto - What better way to destroy me than sow suspicion on the woman I love. But they have to think they succeeded. Your mother must not know.
Paul - It must look real – I see
Duke Leto - But if anything should happen to me tell her the truth I never doubted her for the smallest instant. I should want her to know.
Paul - Nothings going to happen

Knocking on the Door

Duke Leto - Yes?
Voice - An urgent message, my lord. It’s Duncan Idaho he carries a message from the Fremen.
Duke Leto - I’ll be back, son.

So as you can see there is actually quite a bit of dialogue missing that was cut out It’s nice to just document the missing sections anyway. There is a clear case that although the script probably weighs in at 3.5 hours they had 4.5 hours assembly so I think it could be safe to assume that there is more shot than is in the script as the “Let water be the Bond between us” is not in any script. It’s a safe assumption that there would have been a scene with the fremen people calling out “Mahdi” somewhere and small beats like Harkonnens hiding in the cliffs with strange electronic equipment. But there will be more that we do not know about. No joke it is all there I feel.

How many Psychedelic steam punk sci-fi films are there from the 80’s anyway? I think just this one that really stands out and it’s worthy of being restored in my honest opinion.

When the Harkonnen ships are approaching I feel we are missing a Radar Image for Atredies side and The Baron’s ships he see Arrakis planet out of a window or a screen. Actually the shield winding down was to be a scene before Duke Leto get’s done over by Dr.Huey.

Spice Smugglers Ships is another missing thing

Guild Satellite shown before Guild Report

The other Report was a CHOAM company report so there is a case for seeing their logo as well as the guild navigator Logo before the Bath tub scene.

In the EE documentary we also see shots of Sandakar attacked in the desert and Paul Running to safety with blast all around him so the Emperor is there a bit longer than the film would have you think also. This is possibly the taking of the communications Room where they set off the Atomics.

Fremen Binoculars is also an interesting one… What did looking out of them look like? Probably just normal circle and not sci-fi but Paul was meant to attack the smugglers this is where he meets Gurney. Actually in the battle with the Harkokonnens and fremen in the desert we see a shot of a smuggler being blown across screen this was to be in the part we he meets Gurney in the desert and was moved.

Piter travels to Geidi Prime… From Galaxy of Terror

I have a feeling the 2 children that don’t get on with Alia would have been exploited for the Revenge Speech and that Alia was taken but the 2 children she did not get along with were killed by the Harkonnens. This would mean the rift was bridged at some point between Alia and the 2 children. This was the Hatred and Revenge that spawned the “Emperor we come for you” although Emperor was already there on the planet. He Landed during the water of Life sequence. Alternatively seeing Alia being taken would have been enough for the Revenge speech… In one documentary you can actually see the Sandakar near the Sietch so yes something was shot.

My estimate for a complete tight cut weighs in about 3 hours 40 minutes (that leaves 40 minutes off shaved worthless footage)

Nightflyers 1987 movie has a pretty good match for the guild dropship 😃

Navigators were meant to be shuttled over to the Heighliners anyway…

When the Navigators Leave the Emperor at the near the end of the film the shot where they are walking down the Corridor is Super imposed over Pauls Eyes… From UK DVD documentary.

I feel that perhaps the Fremen Prophecy scene with Reverand Mother Ramaldo might work better after Paul and Jessica crash in the desert…the 2 moons with flames from the trailer does suggest that this is while the Arakeen Palace is Burning… Or perhaps it is part of Paul’s waking dream to be cut in before “They will call me Mua-dib”… Perhaps the “we are the secret of the universe” “Chant” could be used on the Pauls disturbing dream about the “Killing Machines”

On the princess Irulian narration I have a feeling as she was meant to fade out and hourglass was meant to fade in… then the hourglass fades out and she fades back in. Not only does this represent the holtzman effect but also the sands of time the spice the folding infinite. This is very beautiful image that only half of it is there…either it is traditional with gravity but it could be from left to right… Probably traditional. Finally so simple yet so effective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k-88mY-f-w