Ronster

Finally a Star Wars project that satisfies and really is good.

Something that is not "over the top’ with ridiculous action set pieces remains grounded and believeable.

I hope for this formula going forward as one to trust and admire as getting things right for a change. It’s not flawless but it is very good entertainment.

Thouroughly enjoyable.

I actually listened to how the opening would sound and I have to say it does not exceed how zarathrusta sounded but to be honest I think the bit that has me intrigiged is the apes scene from the sizzle reel you posted.

I don’t know how the Alex North version “is” but whete do you personally feel it exceeds the original version with temp tracks?

I kind of got the gist that the blue danube track might be worse than the Alex north and the apes scenes really kind of seem to work with the short snippets…

It is subjective and alternate and yes it is interesting. Ithink to herald Kubrick as a genius is fair but I sense a frustration within this man that wants to burn everything outside his final cut and also in this circumstance it seems perhaps this frustrated man did not have the patience with the music that had been created in some regards.

Perhaps he felt more comfortable with how he had it working without outside influence… But to disregard the whole score smacks of impatience and a bit arrogant.

I don’t know if it is good or not though but it does seem strange to write it of entirely.

Then again William friedkin reportably tore up lalo schifrins exorscist score and threw it in to the car park

Is this for real?

It feels like a unfinished project 2001 when you take into account the music is rejected and then he cut the big chunk out which they found recently.

This really would be a good reason to rediscover and reimagine a film…

I went to a screening where the music was removed and played by a live orchestra so they have a dialogue and effects only track already prepared to make this possible. Even without the what was it 16 minutes removed.

At this point and as Dr.Dre said peace must be made about the subject not anger.

We can still question but not confront agressively the subject there really is little point.

Let’s hope at best for material we have never seen or heard before for the OT atleast as It’s the only trilogy I really Like and Rogue One. That is my kind of hopes on it.

Broom Kid said:

Again - if you choose to describe HOURS of new music never before released as “meaningless” because three of the 9 films will have that music synced to the 4K cuts, that’s your choice, but I don’t understand describing John Williams’ Star Wars music as “meaningless” in any context, really. It obviously has some value otherwise you wouldn’t be implying that you’ll just steal it once it’s pirated online anyway.

My hypothetically choosing to buy a hypothetical set with Isolated Scores of John Williams’ compositions isn’t encouraging Disney to bury the originals. And as has been stated before - the idea they’re going to be encouraged or discouraged by anything we do at this point is pretty silly.

As an aside: I’m getting the sense people here might honestly believe all the music in the OT was presented exactly as Williams composed it and it wasn’t changed until 1997? That’s very much not true. And further - a LOT of the music we have gotten from the OT we only got thanks to the SE being released in theaters. Before that, some of it saw official release in 1993, but up until that release, all we had were the original album releases.

There is still a LOT of Star Wars music we haven’t heard outside of their placement in the films, and if there’s an extra that allows us to hear it, that’s a worthwhile extra, to me.

I remember being fascinated by a lot of the unused music from ESB for a long time.

The unused bit from ROTJ i like with the synth and ryhthm I think it is for the Chicken Walkers or AT-ST’s

Something I pondered about Star Wars for quite a time was if the force theme was meant to play as they fly towards Yavin IV in the falcon… The Radio Drama places that music there and it always felt like it needed a bit of music but was never there.

The Other bit from Star wars is that abrupt cut just as the falcon flys away from the death star just cuts off in a weird way. I have wondered if the falcon was meant to go straight past the camera extending that shot or if it was something sort of sound effects related always just a bit abrupt and never really happens in the film at all apart from then. Be interesting how that bit would sound without sound effects.

I am not slagging off the editing I am merely pointing out those 2 shots during the chess game might be to cover for what you don’t have i.e. stop motion chess pieces effects.

This happens all the time if you can’t understand what covering something is because you don’t have it in the can.

The point was if that was what was meant to go there why not restore that to a Special edition?

But perhaps it is not meant to go there.

Conan the Barbarian uses quite a lot of covering shots in it’s editing still a great film same as Star Wars essentially it is interesting to identify alternates.

You can Lump that last shot of Tarkin also before the death Star explodes this was a covering edit. The chain reaction special effects shot was never completed.

This is just reused repeated footage to cover not having the material. You can see it in Return of the Jedi though. And this is probably why this never got restored to the film.

I have decided to point out where and what and it’s not all that much.

1. The exterior Exposion on the Tantive does not co-incide with the interior explosion.

2. First escape Pod Launch and destruction missing uses cover shots of 3p0 and R2-D2 for this missing material.

3. Tantive corridor Gunfight Jumbled timeline

4. Leia insert the Card to R2-D2 moved splice missing.

5. Cantina had certain shots in diffetent places alternates for Ponda Baba Arm Head Flipper Arm.unused material also.

6. Falcon shoot out in mos eisley tattooine Jumbled Time Line

7. Falcon swerve in Space Star Destroyer is Missing.

8. Cell Block shootout the Shot of the Door control exploding was moved to the falcon Hanger Shootout. They have an argument about shooting this Door Control.

9. Chasm scene Death star Core matte painting looking down missing probably replaces the object that Luke grapples. Gunfight timeline is Jumbled footage. Missing Audio can be found in the trailer

10. Death Star Hanger shootout Jumbled timeline

11. Jumbled edit of Death Star attack Shot of wedge in trench used to cover shot of x-wing destroyed by surface guns before Luke Goes in.

12. Chain reaction explosion Special effects missing. Tarkin thinking reused footage to cover this missing material.

13. Kenobi vs Vader Jumbled timeline misses shot of Vader swinging and hitting the wall from trailer

14. Jumpcut on Alderaan explosion and music slightly out of alignment due to a shot from behind of Peter Cushin mouthing dialogue no Audio dialogue… This put the music out and also got even more messed up when the explosion was also cut short. The graphic was not completed for the screen prior to Leias arrival.

15. Shots of R2-D2 on Death Star during game of chess might of been an alternate to some stop motion chess pieces that were deleted.

16. Falcon Escape turret battle re-arranged Jumbled timeline.

That is about all I ever found.

Some of the gun fights may not be confused however in 4:3 depending on the pan and scan framing of a scene as the 4:3 cropping and pan and scan would always be given precedence over 16:9 framing in the cinema. Not always the case but 4:3 version would already have been considered and be taken into account. Meaning you might see too much in cinema of the frame compared to a 4:3 version which may eliminate some confusion.

Well can’t say I did not try for you… Good Luck with trying to get the Originals released I agree with your cause.

But… Nothing changed neither your attitude or George’s opinion and it won’t ever change at this rate.

Well explain the deleted chess pieces stop motion then…If they fit exactly like I suggested trying out we can conclude they are meant to go where the shot’s of R2-D2 are present.

I can’t think of any other way to pose the question of why is the Special edition the way it is and does it have anything to do with actually restoring any original intentions of the people who made the film originally.

If you are willing to write that off sorry but you are your own worst enemy of not only how or why to prent this question.

You need to refute the Special edition in a questionable manner without coming over as confrontational about it because it is not all bad but it is indeed questionable the why and how it has not much to do with the film made in 1977. It has very little to do with restoring anything.

I will give you one more demonstration of how to stage this Argument or rather question for the OUT or atleast this would be my strategy of how to stage a question of why and why not.

Ben’s Hut.

The original has the boosters or engines missing Black holes are there where the art is missing. The very same composite is shown with R2-D2 and 3P0 with Luke and Ben by the sandcrawler with the engines or boosters present correctly.

Lucus at some point decided to use the side view alternate take which required no Compositing of engines.

When the Special edition appeared the new matte shot was based off the alternate side view but pulled way out to accomodate the new wide view of Ben’s Hut on the cliff.

Whilst I do not mind this change all that much should Lucus have just restored the engines of the Landspeeder completing the Special effects of the original shot?

This is how I would approach breaking down Lucus decisions on his Special edition and on this one we can see clear resons behind the change but is it the right choice?

that is the question that must be presented rather than an argument.

WellI don’t have any strong feelings about it but that airlock is the one that leads to outside…

The narcissus is in another part of the nostromo…

My opinion on this is and I think it’s a reason why it should be left alone is that it would change traversing to the narcissus too much… You already don’t like what I told you and there is no other scenes with the Alien by an airlock. It falls into a deliberation about restoring this sequence could hurt the film. I understand that why it was never touched.

If you take the spliced in shots of R2-D2 on death star whilst playing chess on the millennium falcon. If I was right that those stop motion chess pieces time exactly with the spliced in shots of R2-D2 then we can confirm Special effects not completed and R2-D2 was spliced in to cover the unfinished sequence although it was shot just not finished. If you were going to do a Special Edition why on earth would you not restore those special effects shots restoring how the film was planned and “meant to be”

George can’t proclaim that the film he wanted to make contained random splices to R2-D2 on the death star whilst he is playing chesd on the millennium falcon.

Evety part of George Lucus argument and his changes fall flat on there face.

I can Understand why they left this part alone in Alien.

Slavicuss said:

Ronster said:

Sounds good on the surface but the edit of the alien in the corridor doung that squat move is part of the Ripley trying to blow the alien out the airlock the first time and was an unfinished sequence…

The footage of the Alien squatting in the corridor (Box Alien?) is an outtake from this (later) sequence: Ripley heads towards the shuttle (after setting the self-destruct), bumping into the creature, she drops the container carrying Jones and rushes back to engineering, to stop the 10 mins countdown.

It’s not from the earlier deleted scene where Parker, Ripley & Lambert almost succeed in trapping the Alien in the air lock - which ends with Ripley’s nosebleed.

Nah it is but it intercuts with Lambert listening on the Intercom and Parker in the Corridor.

There is one shot in the trailer that proves that a part was filmed which has Ripley running through the smoke.

The Box Alien as you call it is just moved to the ending sequence instead of the failed attempt. You can see the airlock behind the box Alien.

This happens quite a lot of old films from the 70’s including Star Wars, moving shots about into other locations like R2-D2 on the death Star shots spliced ib when he is flying through Space on the millennium falcon.

It is easy enough to sort the chess game out then Later C3P0 tangled in the wires aboard the tantive cuts to R2D2 on the death star again laughing… If ypu were going to do a special edition that is a worthy cause for changing something or making it work.

Just thought a bit about the chess game on the DVD i think it is Empire of dreams the cut stop motion figures I wonder if they time exactly with the shots of R2-D2 on the death star? That would be a cool restoration… Although R2-D2 laughing would need an Adywan type fix…

Sounds good on the surface but the edit of the alien in the corridor doung that squat move is part of the Ripley trying to blow the alien out the airlock the first time and was an unfinished sequence…

Basically this was a bodge up and it’s how she got her nosebleed before going into Mother… I am sure it would be good to see that cut but it probably is still censored and that part can’t be untangled probably.

Anyway the point is that there are good reasons for many alternate cuts most of the time they just don’t get done totally right though and the appetite from many a director simply is not there although Bladerunner Final cut is probably one of the best examples of where the appetite was there for it.

It is much better if the alternate cut is prepared and planned at the time… It can be difficult to go back to a film after a long period of time has transpired simply because the original creators and people who originally worked on it are not involved at a much later date of a decade or so.

I prefer watching older films. I want them to feel dated. I like the way older films look and sound.

We now live in a world where films are pretty pristine to the point where it feels very machine made rather than hand crafted.

You can feel the humanity more in old tranfers of older films. And I kind of miss that sort of retro hand made feel.

It is important not to lose that but all these new releases something seems to get lost with all the technology most of the time.

That is correct…

My Top 10 that need something done…Re-Edit and Restore

1.An American Werewolf in London*

2.Conan The Barbarian

3.Star Wars (A New Hope)

4.Enter the Dragon

5.Apocalypse Now! (Still pending the Apocalypse)

6.Total Recall uncensored*

7.Dune David Lynch Directors Cut

8.Gladiator Uncensored version

9.Alien Further Extended and Uncensored

10.Stargate Extended and uncensored with completed special effects

*Never had alternate version

I Can dream though… Let’s face it. I’m still not Happy with most of the re-cuts that these films already had and this is the main Reason why it is important to always keep the theatrical versions. you always have that to go back to.

Star Wars stands out as a totally different beast to these films though.

Highlander would be 11th but it’s no biggie over the rest of these.

Raiders of the Lost Ark would be 12th but again it’s done well but it’s a tease on some deleted scenes.

13th Would be Jaws for the Alex Kitner Death Censorship amongst music cues removed and stuff.

Essentially when a alternate cut and deleted scenes surface or you know about what is missing you can get a syndrome about it some what, and It can be hard to shake off… But only on films of huge magnitude with amazing artistic merit.

AN Redux came first then now he shaved it back to a halfway house between the theatrical and Redux all are available though on the new release.

Coppolla should Nudge him…

Although I’d say he Copped out of the possibilities of what I can see 😃

Creox said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Creox said:

Slavicuss said:

Creox said:

Does anyone know WHY Lucas stubbornly clings to his decision? Is he embarrassed about the original release or is he just being that controlling of his creation? or is it something else?

I find his decision to date quite puzzling on the surface of it.

Spite. He’s pissed the fans didn’t take to his prequels the way they did the original films. So he denies them the originals they hold dear. That’s my take.

He also believes the original versions came up short (for whatever reasons) and wants to improve them, but that’s no excuse for trying to bury them. All versions can coexist as other box sets (CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, etc) have demonstrated.

I cannot think of another director that has treated one of their films in this manner…does anyone know of one?

Not as dramatic a situation as Star Wars but Milos Forman basically foresworn the theatrical cut of Amadeus after releasing the directors cut.

But I can still watch one or the other regardless…interesting. Thanks!

no you can not see theatrical version. It has been buried on that one at least in HD…

Enter the Dragon is also not available in it’s theatrical presentation.

There is not many out there but there are a few…

Look at it this way many theatrical cut’s could do with directors cuts but without the original theatrical version being ditched… If anything there are more theatrical cut’s needing Directors Cuts than there are Theatrical versions being made unavailable.

Let’s take the Apocalypse now! Final cut as an example… You could be upset that Coppolla never restored the scenes to the ending sequence and the End credits with the camp being napalmed, the shot of the Boat going passed the Plane that is crashed by the River. That is really the meat and potatoes and cinematic magic but it is glossed over.

It’s the Same for Lucus no doubt what you or I might see as the total 100% should be included or restored is glossed over and unimportant. The directors mind is what it is what he want’s to do and what he does not.

You can look in disbelief and shrug and say well why are you doing this?.. Apocalypse now is a massive miss on what could be too afraid to go there no doubt same as Lucus and from the same school and circle of friends but both with the power to do what they want with those films.

Coppolla went half way between Redux and theatrical with his final cut… He ducked away from that final sequence, he did not want to go there. Lucus has shown his hand he wants to revise his Star Wars and that is it.

Creox said:

Slavicuss said:

Creox said:

Does anyone know WHY Lucas stubbornly clings to his decision? Is he embarrassed about the original release or is he just being that controlling of his creation? or is it something else?

I find his decision to date quite puzzling on the surface of it.

Spite. He’s pissed the fans didn’t take to his prequels the way they did the original films. So he denies them the originals they hold dear. That’s my take.

He also believes the original versions came up short (for whatever reasons) and wants to improve them, but that’s no excuse for trying to bury them. All versions can coexist as other box sets (CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, etc) have demonstrated.

I cannot think of another director that has treated one of their films in this manner…does anyone know of one?

Many Directors Can’t treat their films or have another go at the film they wanted to make either the material is not available; sometimes like audio or footage lost but if they could, not many of them would start shoving loads of CGI in to restore their intentions.

This is the main point. If you are going to do something you restore something from what was planned that you could not do or cut for time constraints or censorship. Lucus has all the material Archived.

George’s edits do not really fit the normal condition of what one would wish for entirely when thinking restoration or directors cut or even extended cut it is basically revisionism and anything goes, it does not purport to any notion of “Ideas at the time” or loosely expanding upon original source material in a very radical sense.

Many Directors will just want to move on to their next project it’s water under the bridge.

Some Reference Photos of some further Deleted Scenes.

Williams was gifted the record Deck and Headphones by Han the Picture Above the Record Deck is never seen in the film although the “Black Power” Painting is shown. Bruce was Gifted The Book he had written, Roper was Given a Bottle of Fine scotch whiskey.

Bruce Performing a Kick to a Guard after the Dog Alerts the Guards in the Palace Grounds.

Betty Chung Stabbing the Guard in the neck with the Dart Bruce Gives back to her. Don’t forget Mei Ling was an undercover operative on the Island… When Han and Roper first Enter the Museum… Are we Seeing Betty Chung (Mei Ling) POV of the scene. She was meant to be in the Museum and Hides…

https://youtu.be/Kp7hhUrMp6A?t=39

As the deleted scenes conversation of Bruce and Betty Discuss going down in the Elevator to get to the opium den so Betty must have seen the secret guillotine elevator for which Bruce disagrees it is a bad way in or too dangerous and Betty says “Williams is missing and Roper has joined Han”

Was this Ropers Final Blow to Bolo? He is holding his hands near his nuts 😃

This is a Deleted Scene that comes after the Cave Fight… Roper Wishes to Run Away with Tania but whilst she Seduces Roper She pulls away and gives him a reality check that he will never go anywhere without Han’s permission. This comes Before Mr. Braithwaite is awoken with the F.A.D.E. Organization Message and a reluctant Roper that Han is waiting impatiently for on the tournament field. The Pic on the Left is Williams Room again containing the Jimi Hendrix Painting another gift from Han… I suppose Roper got his Bottle of Scotch 😃

Bruce Lee with a Slashed Leg… A missing attack from the Mirror maze… Rumour has it that a piece of Footage can be found on the Super 8mm version of Enter the Dragon of Han Going for Bruce’s Leg but then it is edited with the Side Kick (Actually Roundhouse Kick) but this would be Bruce sustaining yet another Injury.

Some Further scenes during the Cave fight have been mentioned of Bruce Kicking through a Window or Glass by a camera man who worked on the film. It would have to be the poor girl being doped up that called for help In my opinion. Certainly the Guard Strangled against the Bars of the Cell by the Old Men was removed.

From Kung Fu Fandom Forum

“The longer cut would show Mr Lee continuing to fight Han’s guards down another cavern corridor, before finally being trapped by Han himself. Some of the shots/takes from this seqeunce, were supposed to have been filmed from above?. Maybe filmed from the point of view of Han’s character?. Who later looks down on Lee when he’s captured by the sliding vertical steel doors. Which actually lie at the end of another passage in the caverns. Rather than next to the underground water pit. Which is the impression viewers now get, thanks to the abrupt cut by Warner Brothers in post production. This remains yet another missing ETD fight scene, featuring its late dynamic star. There were other possible cuts made to the big cavern fight seqeunce, which I will looking into at a later point in the future.”

Merry Christmas And Happy New Year

Notice the referee (Tournament Official Yellow & Black Armband) being Knocked out before the next opponent Is kicked Deleted scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfjao1BHQ_Q

“Besides, Han would never allow gun’s on the Island” Mr. Braithwaite

You can change the aspect ratio to 2:35:1 also in VLC and it will put it across the screen which is perhaps easier. At least it then goes anamorphic.

It’s an odd one but persuading George that his film that he originally made is not rubbish is a difficult thing to perhaps persuade him it is not the case.

That is what you must do though and I don’t think George will comprmise on all of it but you never know perhaps he will roll back on the horrible way Mos eisley was treated Greedo, Jabba and so on.

That is the real damage but there are still many things that I could question about ignoring the editing goofs but only visually trying to upgrade the effects. So really you could conclude it is devoid of much thought and it is more of a promotion of ILM rather than any other film he wanted to make. Perhaps a tiny bit but not much.

But in the process he is erasing ILM’s work and humble beginings rather than celebrating his effects house first creation. It is weird and Odd and makes not much sense.

That is really cool 4thRock.

Nice One, I thank you for this.

I have some time on my hands at the moment now but for the time being at least before / after christmas there is a need to focus some attention on an old project and address something I ran away from confronting. I won’t say anymore than this.

ChainsawAsh said:

Ronster said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ronster said:

These things only ever matter when Somone makes a bad decision.

Incorrect. It always matters when the original is suppressed.

There are many films with valid reasons why the original should be preserved

No. Not “many.”

ALL.

Again, THIS MENTALITY IS DANGEROUS. This is how history gets erased.

The Creator has provided his vision of the film he wants to show you.

This is a fairly unique situation and I think George likes the fact he can and will do what “He wants” with them (his films).

You can either accept this vision that he currently has or watch the fan preservations of the originals.

That is it in a nutshell unless you can somehow get him to change his mind on it all.

And you know think about that Storm Trooper Riding on the dewback. George Likes it but he feels it’s not good enough. You need to pair that lobby card with the Special Edition and make the man realise we liked it for the original creature effects people respected how it was done. It was brilliantly executed but the courage to show it in close up was not enough.

But when you look at the Cgi horribleness and the lobby card creature effects the Lobby card wins everytime. You know and I know why George liked it.

Remind him why Star wars was so good not complain and go on and on.
Call this out and say well we only wanted to see the original creature effects not Cgi ones. But we agree It looked good shame we never got to see them close up we envy you 😃

You really, really, really don’t understand the core purpose of this website, do you?

Preservation.

Of.

Film.

History.

He can have his “director’s cut” and none of us would care, if he did what almost every other director has done and made the originally released version available alongside his preferred version.

It’s fucking baffling to me that I have to explain this super basic thing to a longtime member of this site.

It does not require that tone to make your point I already said I agree that the originals should be made available.

Why don’t you take that sort of tone with George or Spielberg see how far it get’s you…

This is probably why you just get ignored. I am not going to take offence though to your comment but I simply will now assume any contradictory position with that sort of attitude.

Perhaps it is all about changing the attitude when you want something. Because that attitude will get you nowhere.

ChainsawAsh said:

Ronster said:

These things only ever matter when Somone makes a bad decision.

Incorrect. It always matters when the original is suppressed.

There are many films with valid reasons why the original should be preserved

No. Not “many.”

ALL.

Again, THIS MENTALITY IS DANGEROUS. This is how history gets erased.

The Creator has provided his vision of the film he wants to show you.

This is a fairly unique situation and I think George likes the fact he can and will do what “He wants” with them (his films).

You can either accept this vision that he currently has or watch the fan preservations of the originals.

That is it in a nutshell unless you can somehow get him to change his mind on it all.

And you know think about that Storm Trooper Riding on the dewback. George Likes it but he feels it’s not good enough. You need to pair that lobby card with the Special Edition and make the man realise we liked it for the original creature effects people respected how it was done. It was brilliantly executed but the courage to show it in close up was not enough.

But when you look at the Cgi horribleness and the lobby card creature effects the Lobby card wins everytime. You know and I know why George liked it.

Remind him why Star wars was so good not complain and go on and on.
Call this out and say well we only wanted to see the original creature effects not Cgi ones. But we agree It looked good shame we never got to see them close up we envy you 😃

canofhumdingers said:

^that, in my opinion, is the most dangerous attitude of all. “Just change back the most offensive parts” is every bit as revisionist as any special edition so far, but far more insidious and dangerous to history because it appeases the ire of many which reduces demand and interest in the actual original cuts even more. It’s an extremely slippery slope.

I wwould argue it is not that big of a deal… It is a film at the end of the day.

These things only ever matter when Somone makes a bad decision. If the decision is apalling like what happened to various parts of Star Wars then there should not be anyone keeping a version of how you first saw it from you. I agree with this.

There are many films with valid reasons why the original should be preserved and the want for a Special edition or directors cut.

Many films I would love to see some more of what was shot… But unfortunately the Star Wars Special editions do not follow this path particularly. They are the same films with totally different shots forced in them or altered beyond recognition.

Would we just start shoving color footage in to the original King Kong?

No we would not…

Would welike to see the lost Spider pit scene?

Yes we would.

It really is this simple I feel.

It’s strange that one of the most popular films ever you can’t see the original version in any way in HD as you say without having to resort to shady methods, bootlegs and fan attempts all be it well done fan attempts with a passion.

I think McClunky kind of sums up how it is “Clunky” being the operative word that sticks.

I don’t mind small touch ups and some CGI ships to be honest redo compositing but I am totally against on the Whole the complete CGI scenes by and Large.

I don’t mind some of the new digital Matte paintings either I can see Valid reasons behind many changes made.

I think with Star Wars 1977 George should compromise on this… I can see many reasons for and against changes but at the end of the day Jabba and crap CGI in mos-eisly must go… Nothing else is all that bad but a few less digital shots during the death star battle would be welcome as would uncensor gun battles as in the original theatrical. Original Dianogo too would be nice. If we could get George to change his mind then we will see it somewhat “Saved”

Empire is Alright as a Special Edition mostly least damage done.

Return of the Jedi should be reverted in many spots where it is extremely harmful.

Let us take the CGI dewbacks in Star Wars for instance. George sat there looking at the close up shot with the creature effects and thought “I really like that…But I want it to be in the frame in the background I will CGI it in rather than use this shot but I will base it off this original shot” but what he should of done was say “I really like that shot I will restore it to the film” There would not be half as many complaints as we have about this film now. It would just be extra footage shot at the time restored to the film end of story.

It needs to feel at least partially of it’s time even if it has some updates done to it. I am on Georges side a pinch but he just went to far and ruined the vibe with a lot of the CGI stuff.