Ronster

Not sure about the E.T. deleted scene I thought it was only available on laserdisc…?

I think one of the Jaws laserdisc simply has the unaltered day for night opening and the unique cut to Quints tacklebox.

Aeon Flux simply had some small auidio parts changed from it’s original broadcast on the Dvd. It premiered on MTV.

yotsuya said:

Ronster said:

https://screenrant-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-greedo-han-solo-deleted-scene/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15809033858840&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Fstar-wars-greedo-han-solo-deleted-scene%2F

After watching your video this was the main point of contention regarding the falcon gun special effect shot. I know you got that info from a wikipedia page that I feel is incorrect info and I don’t blame you for taking that statement at face value.

The link above describes the shoot out where Greedo comes to collect Jabbas money and they both get caught up with the stormtroopers. Greedo dies and Han escapes.

Kind Regards

I could see George thinking about changing when the Greedo scene happened and how it happened and getting something alternate, but I’m pretty sure that if this was filmed that it was never in any cut.

What you see in the finished film “is” this scene with the greedo / Rhodian character edited out.

True that it is perhaps “not” greedo at this point just a henchman of little importance.

It’s interesting that it is the same thing or same story executed differently kept the basic ideas and reshot via pickups.

I think that is an important observation. It’s unlikely there will be any huge deviations from the story we know.

Any Pick ups or reshoots would be based on something already present but an effort of improvement it would seem.

This is the only reference to an alternate for that scene and all we can do is accept that the actor probably is telling the truth.

The torture droid scene on the deathstar has the guard by the door change to a diffetent actor… Is this a reshoot? Which actor was the original actor for the scene? I have often wondered about this or if it was a bad shot of the torture droid entering the door? Could be anything really only we know something was reshot meaning something there was swapped. Or the droid itself was not ready in time? Perhaps it was an addition to the scene?

I really don’t know the answer only that the Guard by the door changes.

https://screenrant-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-greedo-han-solo-deleted-scene/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15809033858840&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Fstar-wars-greedo-han-solo-deleted-scene%2F

After watching your video this was the main point of contention regarding the falcon gun special effect shot. I know you got that info from a wikipedia page that I feel is incorrect info and I don’t blame you for taking that statement at face value.

The link above describes the shoot out where Greedo comes to collect Jabbas money and they both get caught up with the stormtroopers. Greedo dies and Han escapes.

Kind Regards

If your VHS has a scart socket why not put a scart to composite and RCA phono converter in the back of the VHS then use a minijack to phono and record the audio on a mini jack line in on say your PC or Laptop.

Or if your VHS already has phono out use those again to minijack to your line in.

This can easily be done with Audacity free software.

Just select your line in as record device and push record.

How do you know also what was in the lost cut?

I don’t really think anyone knows for sure do they or perhaps you do?

I am not claiming it was or it was not in the lost cut but it should be considered that it would have been part of an assembly cut and atleast shot for some purpose this is fair enough and should be treated as such identified.

The Laserdisc of E.T. is the only version to contain the deleted scenes of Harrison Ford as the Schools Headmaster in a scene with elliot.

A laserdisc Version of Jaws TV cut (Not Sure which one) contains the opening unadjusted sunrise killing of Chirissie Watkins instead of made to look like night time. When Hooper is Pulling faces whilst climbing the Ladder on the Orca a unique splice to Quint rummaging through his fishing tackle box which matches the sound mix so one can assume this Spliced footage is missing from the theatrical version and the opening sunrise makes the first scene a little more graphic.

Wages of Fear (Sorcerer by William Friedkin) German broadcast on das vierte has 16 minutes of alternate material the footage and original soundmix can be found on the Finnish VHS

The UK VHS version of Anime Fist of the North Star contains the Uncensored Version with the Exploding heads

The Beatles - Let it Be uncut VHS was edited because showing arguments before the band split up.

Grand Theft Auto the Original Soundmix was changed removing the original music soundtrack

Somewhere in Time - End Credits Music Changed found on Laserdisc https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081534/alternateversions?tab=cz&ref_=tt_trv_alt

This is the Original - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwgcV8tqg_w

Also interestingly Cut just before Release http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2017/07/oh-disappeared-somewhere-time-finale-2/

Broadcast In Analogue

King Kong 1976 - https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=520761

MTV animation Aeon Flux has had some Sound altered from it’s original Broadcast versions when released on Home Video.

The Liquid TV version of Anime “The Running Man” contains the UK Dub which is unreleased on Home Video an alternate Extended cut of the Anime short can be found in “Neo Tokyo” but without the UK Dub.

There is a TV cut of Angel Heart that has extra footage although there are still missing scenes not sure this ever was released on home video?

The TV version of Excalibur has an extra Dialogue scene again not sure this was ever released on Home media?

The Sy-fy TV cut of Conan the Barbarian contains some interesting alternate footage it has never been released to my knowledge on Home Media.

The TV version of (Rambo) First Blood contains quite a bit of extra dialogue scenes never released on Home Video.

The Howling TV broadcast version contains extra scenes not found on Home Video.

Mad Max 2 Vs TV Cut by ABC of the Road Warrior never released on Home Video

Peter Benchlys The Deep has extended version never released on Home Video

Naked Gun 1 & 2 feature extended TV Broadcast versions not released on Home Video

Backdraft/ Tv Version: This version includes over 3 minutes of added footage.
1 scene actually adds more character to the kurt russell character. After the death of Tim/ Russell and Deniro have a emotional conversation about Tim.

The Outsiders TV cut vs Theatrical Vs Special Edition?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086066/alternateversions

Needful Things (Koch Media might be releasing this soon though https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Needful-Things-Blu-ray/246791/)

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=905872

Clint Eastwood’s “Every Which Way But Loose” and “Any Which Way You Can” with added scenes and complete musical sequences on TV Broadcast versions.

Problem Child 1 & 2 extended tv versions.

WHEN TIME RAN OUT (1980) was extended by 20 minutes. This version was never released on DVD.

I don’t know much about the film in terms of what was in and what was changed.

The original working title was called “Watch the Skies” though although I kind of think that would not work changing the title of the film.

I have the 25th Anniversary Blu Ray with all the versions a nice set to be sure.

Yeah I was thinking that myself about the conversation music chop it back…

Any idea where this music part is from I found it in Binary Sunset extended version?

If I recall this version was released with a game soundtrack but it is John Williams.

Please correct me if i am wrong, but it is definitely unused A New Hope Music?

Edit:

Ok It is an edited piece of music by Lucus arts that combines binary sunset and light of the force from return of the Jedi.

So i have been fooled on that one 😃

Definitely not a music cue but it works well enough as a creative music edit… Oh well tricked and made more of it than than I should of, not sure it is actually used in ROTJ either so I guess it is fair game and will put this down to check these things first!

yotsuya said:

I do think there is a point to having a separate topic, at least for now, on the new changes.

Well as far as the shield generator shot goes it’s not bad but they could have simply cut from white flash and then to the actual trailer footage of the explosion then to the AT-AT Window for the remainder of the explosion sequence so it was never really needed.

But I suppose you can argue the case for seeing the troops running into the direction of the explosion back to base. So It’s kind of acceptable but then again the background plate the troops are running on was shown a few shots earlier to be way behind General Veers AT-AT as the snow speeder spins and crashes on this Background plate too.

So still a bit muddled up… Would have been far better to simply restore the practical explosion effect and alter the Background plate.

I do see what you mean… I did not cross reference exactly what exact music is used in the radio drama I just tried the force theme.

This bit always felt a bit empty i will check the radio drama music they use.

The version of the force theme i used is not in the film though so I naturally assumed it could be that if it was meant to go there that is because there is nowhere else i could possibly see it being placed.

Radio drama uses same force theme as binary sunset and I don’t see that being long enough.

I Have produced an alternate Version Because the alignment could be wrong if it is actually a music cue but I am not claiming it is a music cue It’s a hunch based off the Radio Drama and that piece of unused music. It is a big section of unused music although it blends into the same music in the Garage that does not mean it would not be repeated especially as it echoes 3P0 “He Kept Babbling on about his mission” about R2-D2 and we are actually seeing R2-D2 complete his mission so I do think is actually very nice. The Force theme now sits much better I think if it is a cue then It’s this or simply a nice creative music edit…

See new version Below.

https://vimeo.com/385110692

I would actually go with this attempt rather than the version 1 as it seems to sit better, are there any score notes pertaing to this particular force theme that is unused in the score notes?

Not going to revise the Shoot out but it could be tweaked a bit.

One last thing that I myself am curious about that I actually spoke about recently and I can’t say I know if it is correct or not so don’t think I am being forthright on any solid conclusions about this.

The force theme is used in the Radio Drama of the Falcon approaching the planet Yavin IV.

I decided to see how that could perhaps work see the video below.

https://vimeo.com/385016338

Is it a music cue for this part = no

could it have been a planned music edit = yes

Does it work well = In my opinion yes it does, and the Radio Drama uses this music too.

I’ll just leave it with you to decide if you think it would have been better or not but I personally like it and it’s a lovely piece of music anyway.

What about the airlock Door sound effect for Vaders entrance?

Yeah it is off screen and I think it is fine but I often wondered if thete was a shot of the actual Door… Actually the radio drama airlock sounds much better.

The gun fight is a bit more accurate now but I created a problem so I always have the previous version as a get out of Jail card.

I may add the escape pod insert that I have Handy and the claw grab from Rogue One… But it really is not the main focus, I really just want to concentrate o video matched to audio but yeah good shout 😃

I have already revised the video and these things take time because it is like a chinease puzzle what is meant to go where? What shots actually match the sound mix and does it also make sense in this order?

The shot of the troopers running between corridor battle 1 and cortidor battle 2 was the only shot I added audio for, although in terms of continuity that shot does indeed replace the dissolve it was not “how it was” edited with the sound mix as I have spotted a few things that I got wrong this may be the end shot also the storm troopers turning the corner is not an alternate take and is flipped.

Or we are missing a single shot of rebels shooting…Which I might be able to somehow re-use a shot or something.

So it is very close now…

Fact is the audio does not resemble the footage in the order it is currently in. So the sound mix was created for an edit of this scene that was different.

The end goal is to identify how it was planned and what Ben Burt prepared the soundmix for vs how it ended up being shown and altered at a late stage.

There is a lot more music than there is footage for the corridor shootout. There might be an extra bit that we never seen before in the room on the left a trooper retreats and a Stormtrooper goes down there too.

I think the music could be back track a bit for the space scenes without music… I tried to basically do what I could or what i felt was the best way it could be handled without redoing the audio mix.

I just wanted it to make more sense and I think I achieved that much in re-cutting whilst observing the sound mix also. And I definitely found some missing splices and alternative footage edits.

I think if you were going to do Star Wars in 3D this would be an edit that observes 3D space and time sort of an imersion edit that is perhaps a bit Brutal but perhaps to the films benefit also.

Anyway I think it is 90% of the way there it is good enough to show the battle choreography.

I have tried to consider the sound vs the video and consolidate basically and also put it in the correct order.

There are 2 points at which there are discrepencies.

In the first cortidor battle there is a whizz sound that does not exactly time with a person being shot. It may mean 2 shots are in the wrong order but it is not massively noticeable. Or potentially a splice is missing.

The second is R2-D2 jump cut in the corridor as he moves off those missing frames would realign the video and audio so although I am in synch up to that moment I am not after the jump cut. The original is out of synch when R2 wheels hit the floor.

Best thing to do is download and watch in slow motion and see if you can see or hear a discrepency but for the most part I think i got it working pretty much as choreographed adhearing to the Sound as best I could.

ZigZig said:

Roobyoo said:

There is nothing solved, and the conclusion is: what you are seeing or hearing is just the final result of general editing. It has nothing to do with the Lost Cut.

This

https://vimeo.com/384361239

Nah, This ^

The battle in the corridors was storyboarded choreographed and it can make sense if put in the correct order.

I have only cut this together roughly because I will need to look at the soundmix more closely and it is something i might be able to do later today.

How it appears in the film at this time and the result of some edits that were made it no longer makes sense.

It is not anything particularly major but seeing the action flow as it was choreographed or planned is important. A lot of work went into filming this part no doubt but this work once in the edit suite was muddled up.

1. My main Goal here is to identify soundmix discrepencies that work with other fottage laid over the soundmix.

2. Putting the footage in the correct order

3. Is there a bit of cut music here also?

The Sound mix was not revised in a lot of cases to accommodate many shuffled shots for what ever reason this shuffling of footage actually happened is anyones guess but it will only ever work the way it was meant to work.

Sometimes the footage with the sound move together.

Sometimes only the footage moves retaining the sound mix with alternate footage.

Sometimes the soundmix is repeated in part to allow for an edit as there was no extra soundmix to use.

Sometimes footage is genuinely missing a Splice point and a cut between another shot or edit is missed.

I have just figured out a few things about the Tantive shoot-out, I will put this together to show this in video form at some point but I feel I have finally cracked open the possibilities of getting this opening chronologically correct sequentially.

Here is the report.

1. As mentioned before previously missing Splice between Star Destroyer and Tantive exterior Explosion.

2. From the exterior explosion we cut straight to the second version of 3P0 & R2-D2 in the corridor and straight to the dialogue about “they shot down the main reactor”

3. The troops Running are moved to after this dialogue about the main reactor rather than before. Joining up with them taking their positions at the airlock.

4. The shot of the airlock troops from the second corridor shootout is moved and flipped to the first shootout and comes before anyone else get’s shot.

5. Instead of the dissolve we see the 3 Rebel troops running (From first corridor battle) and being shot at in the
   next corridor as retreating and segway into the corridor with 3P0 and R2-D2

6. Replacing the Flipped (and now moved in the timeline) shot of the troops from the airlock corridor we insert the shot at the end of the sequence of the 2 troops who run and turn and fire which lines up with the Storm trooper being hit. But it is spliced at the point at which the trooper fires.

7. Some left overs of the 2 Rebel troops firing are used at the end after 3P0 and R2-D2 make it across the corridor and the storm troopers turning the corner firing.

• The start of the shot of the troops turning the corner firing might be an alternate take or cut away for the Rebel Trooper shot in front of 3P0 & R2-D2

It is finally solved!

Conclusion = Too much footage used and placed in the wrong order. And if there was not “Too much footage” used it would never be fixable like Empire Strikes Back Cloud City Shoot out so for this I am very grateful 😃

Yeah very good job I especially like the magenta flashes being the right color you remember now 😃

You made them all white I think before.

Canyon looking good too that dusky sunset you remember now again

I think a slight bit more could be done and my biggest gripe is the gun battle on the Tantive but I do understand it is probably not fixable without chopping it up and totally changing it and even then it’s a bit of an over reach to get it working so I am not calling you out on anything you did.

Anyway there was one thing I think you should address which you have not… When R2-D2 rolls off into the distance leaving C3-PO which has a wipe. The shot is stretched vertically can you squash it back to normal dimensions and zoom please?

Thanks for the clip and well Done 😃

Willarob good work I saw your video and well done good effort on it all!

Would you like to Help make an extended / ultimate version?

There are a few possibilities left not much I admit but there are instances of some small pieces of missing footage / music.

It mainly would center on the Kurgen end fight which was drastically shortened but also the missing special effects of the Kurgun quickening when he kills Ramirez (Ramirez death Quickening would be a fan edit type fix but one very important original missing special effect Restored).

The final Quickening also has numerous animation shots Removed. This would fit perfectly as The missing scenes contain the original effects look also.

Basically I would propose I will construct a sound mix for the end fight that has been shortened and point you to any cut material that would be possible to restore.

This is sort of off topic but I would like to help restore what was removed if you would be willing?

There is no changes particularly to the story or anything like that it is just stuff that is alternate and extended…Bit of music also.

This would be based on the directors cut or European Version.

Well they might be… When Star Wars was made there technically was no Industrial Light & Magic many people were hiring Special effects Specialists on their productions be it Douglus Trumball or John Dykstra or any other Special effects Artists exploring making Special effects better and more realistic after the release of 2001 a Space odyssey.

Although the Special effects Artists were directly employed by George Lucus to produce the Special effects for Star Wars they were not Contracted for anything else depending on after the films success.

Once Star Wars was a Hit it was decided at that point George would set up ILM near his home in North California and Dykstra and some others would go on to set up Apogee Inc because they chose not to move.

The Dykstraflex system at this point would be re-designed and renamed and patented to an ILM version of the technology no doubt.

So Perhaps George feels that in some cases where he did not feel he had enough say in how something looked also as He and Trumbell could not see eye to eye exactly on Star Wars Special Effects so Trumball pulled out and what with Dykstra setting up Agogee Inc (Trumball Progeny) and doing Battlestar Galactica, it was something that he felt in some ways were not truly representing what he was trying for the special effects wise as there is a big leap from Star Wars and Empire Strike Back Special Effects Wise. I think George was trying for his own style perhaps…

I think this is really the only sense I can make of it… That Split before ILM was formed properly.

And George is really only altering Special effects Primarily but then you have the Bad Mos Eisely stuff thrown in too.

It’s probably not worth really analyzing more than this like I said “version I like” 😃

Rodney-2187 said:

I never thought I’d see a release of multiple versions of Blade Runner because it’s not a movie the mainstream cares much about.

Ridley Scott was pretty fed up with it and he finally decided to do an ultimate release of his film which he fought long and hard for his “Directors Cut” but gave you the options to view many different iterations including a well thought out tweaked final cut.

Still waiting on the San-diego preview cut shot though of Deckards fingers being snapped 😃

Your main hurdle here is George wanting to release the original or even an alternate original version of which we know exists the sound mix confirms it was made for certain shots to go in different places in some parts.

It’s having to separate George Lucus ILM Founder hemisphere and George Lucus Film Maker Hemisphere from one another.

We need to re-hatch or regress to a George Lucus Film Maker who was still yet to form or just set up ILM I feel.

ILM is George’s greatest success not his films as such although Lucusfilm still lives it is not the main success story.

But this is a Paradox because he erases the start of his own success story with ILM.

How many different versions of scenes you have only seen “one version” of has George Lucus seen and changed and altered and re-done 20 times before you saw it with ILM?

I think he just see’s himself as ILM more than Lucusfilm.

ray_afraid said:

I’d say this is a perfect place to voice frustration about the situation. Blow off all the steam ya want, we’re all pals.
I think the mind of “We want the version we like” is coming across stronger than “Erasing history is wrong” & that makes some view the frustration/anger as silly/misplaced. Many conversations lately have revolved around this, and I think some are reading that as aggression.

Yeah point taken, but let’s take your statement about “Erasing history is wrong” you can look at that as the theatrical cut of a film not being released in high quality as is the main cause for Star Wars.

But you can also take this as the film was tampered with by the studio perhaps due to time restraints bums on seats in cinemas or imposed re-shoots.

You can also secondarily count censorship as another factor of History being erased could be a shot a sequence or a trim.

All in all there are many, many instances of erasure of film history for reasons other than “The film” itself being the main concern and most of the time either money, politics or censorship are the worst offenders for erasure of film history before you even get to see them.

If we take say Tarzan the Legend of Greystoke for instance is now only available in a slightly extended version with a overture and prologue. The director claims the film is at it’s best with the extra 20 minutes of scenes never before seen cut from the Jungle and Tarzan being raised by the apes… The studio is nervous and does not feel comfortable with this version and feels it is more / too graphic. So we don’t get to see it. They can sit on the footage and refuse to let you see it self censoring perhaps what they may feel is something they will and won’t put their name to.

But as a normal person who likes films and especially Rick Baker’s Make up and creature effects my opinion is basically “What the hell are you cutting that stuff for?” It’s probably really good like the rest of the scenes in Africa was where the film really did shine the most.

So you must also remember that “Theatrical Versions” are not immune either to film history still being erased for various reasons. All in all, it is perhaps a messy business film making but I think generally the 70’s and the 80’s where Directors on the whole had way more control over the films they were making than Directors do now especially big budget projects today. Almost Everything now is a re-boot re-tool re-imagine of franchises originally made decades ago with Studio execs rubbing their hands whilst being even more self conscious and self censoring and pretty much lacking in creativity that it’s pretty undesirable apart from a few decent films every year.

You could Argue films are being erased by their remakes or reboots slightly but it’s natural I suppose but Greystoke is still the Best Tarzan film to this day in my opinion. When you look at Star wars it is the same effect with the sequal trilogy re-boot re-tool so on.

So better you call it “version you like” yes. I doubt it applies to Star Wars particularly on anything being imposed studio wise some censorship is it play though but George Obviously is not Happy with Star Wars for some reason that is why he Changed it. Like I said though it feels more a promotion of ILM than any other film he really wanted to make though we see small glimpses of stuff that changes into full blown CGI feast on the most part and that is not a good reason for releasing another version of a film particularly based on revisionism and nothing to do with planned at the time apart from a few fixes here and there.

One I came across today goes on the political spectrum “Poltergeist” is not available in it’s theatrical version because there is a scene where the small girl says “I hate Pizza Hut” or something like that. Removed for political reasons against corporate franchise. Pizza Hut should just make an halloween advert promotion and waive the cut imposed I suppose for slander. Could they have even gotten away in todays world with just “I hate Pizza” cutting “Hut” who knows… Un-creative thinking perhaps but that perhaps still might not wash as it slanders still the product. Lawyer with lawsuit in hand imposes changes to the film.

But I hope you get the point “Version you Like” is the best way to go.

It is about time this material did see the light of day whatever was trimmed or altered to Bring the Cut of Jaws down to a strange or unusual PG Rating down from an R (now raised to 12a in the uk).

To me it seems we are talking a few trims and deleted shots such as this one.

The Pond scene is actually trimmed where the guy is bitten also perhaps or something missing

It also has the scene of him carried away previously mentioned.

There is also a unique cut in the TV version of Quint diddling with his Fishing Tackle box whilst hooper is pulling faces on the Orca feels like Missing Splice in the Theatrical and the TV is based off a workprint but censored.

A scene of Quint in the Cinema watching “Moby Dick” was shot but disallowed to use the footage… This perhaps was no good but who knows?

I feel there is a bit more we don’t know about this film and how it was censored and for it to see the light of day would be very interesting but I doubt we are talking much footage cut just gore and chomp downs it would seem.

You could Argue Steven is Happy with the film and I agree he should be, but for the sake of other Horror films it would help change opinion and help sway attitude that R and X rated horror films are acceptable to huge amounts of adults and such a film as this to break the mold would have eyes open mouths agape.