I would go with one that is easy to use… Or you could simply separate the audio from the video and synch the 2 sountracks in Audacity(free software) then add it to the video.
Han backing away from the door has been fixed now and I will re-up the video soon but this is the only further change and it also matches the sound mix now as I added sounds because it didnot match and also “workprint” the scenea bit better.
Anyway basically audio clean up and sound effects work has begun to get the deleted scenes working. As I stated before no video clean up will be done. But I am plesantly surprised by the results so far not perfect but much much better and passable as a lot better.
The planning of how to execute the deleted scenes has also begun and some things are yet to be seen how they will work yet. But it is a WIP.
How I execute them will be how they are presented but to be helpful to others I think providing a sound mix for the scenes with music that I will add eventually and without would be more helpful to other projects possibly.
The Luke Binoculars scene will have to have music added as there is no other choice but the other scenes can be dropped without music for the benefit of others.
I was kind of assuming or at least expecting the conference room extended dialogue for star wars on this set that was shown at celebration.
Just seems weird to show stuff then not include it.
Like new ghostbusters release will have extra deleted scenes they found some of them very good…
If they have it prepared and showed it at a live event Then why not include it?
Have to wait a bit but I probably wrong to assume anything.
I thought you only ripped the audio…
So your VHS is NTSC 29.97fps
so now you can convert it to 24fps you can use perhaps the free program handbreak to do this convert it to an mp4 then you can try to synch them both up in a Non Linear Editor.
Hope that helps.
whilst doing a bit of research of the deleted scenes and before starting on them I decided to first get a groove on with completed footage a bit of a muscle flex and a get a feel for things.
I have done an edit of the Detention cell block shootout.
Change list:
Added missing splice Han shoots stormtrooper to achieve synch
Added Sound from Death star docking bay shootout of Door being hit restoring the sound and music added the shot of the Door control being shot from earlier initial arrival which I imagine would need swapping out for something else now as the sound never matched the Door control being shot anyway. Cropped un-destroyed door control out of the following shots.
Added Audio for C3P0 on the comlink from radio drama of audio Luke can’t Hear in the corridor.
Moved footage and audio for “Now What!” in respose to “There’s no other way out” As per the script
Added missing Laser for Han shooting Storm trooper “I can’t hold them off forever”
Fixed Leia’s Laser fire down the corridor by reversing the speed of the first few frames
Fixed Magenta Flashes
I would think the next step on this one would be to add the Special edition corridor fix would top it off.
EDIT:
Just noticed 2 shots of Han shooting are still the wrong way around at the start of the sequence. Using some extra frames of the Door controls being destroyed it might be possible to restore the correct scene order of Han backing away without going back in time…
Dianoga Restored
Restored the position of the Dianoga tentacle as per the script and fixed music and sound effects obviously the scene would now be removed from the trash compactor scene to make way for it’s inclusion in this scene for the tentacle by the door.
This scene has now been restored to the Tantive shoot out and works very well in terms of footage and fixes synch with the airlock and vaders footsteps but not so much in terms of audio. Is there any audio for this scene in question? i am looking for an alternative to “It’s all your fault” as this does not work… “Help! I think I’m Melting” is fine.
The original Star destroyer and tantive elements for the Binoculars have been located in the art of star wars book…
I think I may have also found a music cue for Biggs farewell Part 2! I know there is no music for Toshi station Bar but I have a good tune in mind 😃 I am searching for Biggs farewell Part 1…
I may have something for the opening Binoculars that will work.
The discovery of these 2 things contradicts that these scenes were cut earlier than what thet were perhaps but the Binoculars did have temp effects already bare that in mind but music for Biggs farewell part 2 if it is indeed for that scene is very interesting.
Only 4 shots have some troops falling, but not caused by Leia’s laserblast. Rather than duplicate any frames from these said footage, perhaps you can use CGI to come up with an alternative shot of that same angle by adding a few falling troops and use the smoke diffusion in front of the troops, that was established in these footages, to your advantage.
You can never discount the possibility that a shot could have been moved in the timeline I have not really looked at it or looked for there being any discrepencies in this part, but what you are saying does make sense that they came in there to rescue Princess Leia and she end’s up rescuing them. Does it matter that she does not shoot a storm trooper? Not really but It does fit the narrative that she becomes the Hero. Almost every gun battle has footage in the wrong order but I must admit the cell block has always felt like the best gun battle that was not messed about with… It would require a bit inspection of laser bolt angles and do they correspond with the person firing them and does the angle match up… That would be all you could perhaps deduce but it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility it had shots moved about given the state of all the other gun battles but there would be no need to create CGI storm troopers.
EDIT:
I can confirm that Lukes laser blast down the corridor after he get’s off the radio was moved so you have made a valid point and that shot’s were moved about looking down the corridor but not scenes with the actors weather that means Leia shot a storm trooper remains to be seen but good shout 😃 The Chinese puzzle can begin.
My only gripe on this one was the controls being shot on the other (last) Door to stop more troops coming in which sealed off their “only escape route” was used for the Blast Door that sealed Vader off from docking bay 327. If you watch carefully Han Nearly hits it as he is running then the storm trooper shoots and I imagine the door control is then destroyed a short insert of footage. In the following shot the door control is intact because they probably blew these things up at the end of shooting the scene, so the door control would need cropping out of the scene where the storm trooper waves on the others to make it a scene without problems. Or it simply is inserted after the stormtrooper waves the others on.
Upon Initial analysis of simply looking at the Deleted scenes with Regard to the Luke Binoculars / Toshi Station / and Biggs Farewell I have noticed a few things.
I don’t put much importance in the binocular scene other than it is the start of the thread and my Goal with this would be to cut it down as much as possible include the scene with the bare minimum amount of footage to achieve the scene being present and justified but for it to be a very quick snap shot of a scene with no dialogue.
The Toshi Station Arrival I actually like this scene quite a bit and agree with it’s placement in the script. The rhythm is quite fast paced and I feel that quick tempo music would suit the scene to suit the rhythm. It is in a good shape in terms of how it is cut together but audio issues remain but some can be eliminated.
In Regards to Biggs Farewell I was initially only planning to have about half of it… But I now understand it is a 2 part scene and the only assumption I can presume is that as R2-D2 and C3P0 split ways we then cut to Biggs scene Part 1 we then cut to C3P0 being picked up by the sandcrawler or him waving at it if you like. Now we have Biggs scene Part 2 where he says goodbye and then we cut to R2-D2 getting captured in the canyon.
The next step is to put the footage in an editor and start chopping.
I am going to re-do the shootout sequence with C3PO tangled in the wires this is the missing shot from the sequence… I have a feeling it might work with the revised edit so I just totally glossed over that factor of the scene because I felt it could never work but I am changing my mind.
Possibly the best way to do this would be to go up to the point where R2-D2 is captured as a complete edit… But it will take a while. The only loose end would then be to tie up Vader and Bast separately.
I won’t be cleaning it up at all if there is a bit better version I will use that.
The main problem with the deleted scenes are that they are not edited down and have no sound effects or music.
Once they are made useable in terms of these factors then somone else can clean it up and use the edit or simply bounce off the ideas.
Something happened recently that might mean I have more spare time for a bit.
I am planning to make the 4 deleted scenes from Star wars work.
Luke Binoculars
Toshi station
Biggs Farewell.
Vader and Bast
I am not going to clean up the scenes or do visual effects unless it is easy enough.
But I will try to get them working as best I can in terms of editing and sound. And get them streamlined and useable or as useable as I can.
If anyone would like to contribute special effects skills then do so. I do not feel I have the skils for the binoculars visual effects basically. But I will try to achieve a rough temp version.
If somone can point me in the direction of a bit cleaner version that would be great.
I assume you have a PAL speedup vhs.
If the speed of the audio is different on the VHS audio to that of the new cleaned versions of the film you will have to conform the audio from the VHS to the new release.
Rip the audio from the new release and put both audio files in audacity.
You will have to change the speed most likely of the VHS to that of the new release. You must get them now to match up pretty much exactly.
Look in the how to sections here about conerting PAl speed to NTSC or what ever frame rate the new version is. You basically need to synch them up then you can put it on the video.
I would like to reccomend a film I saw the other day.
War of the Arrows Korean film from 2011. I thought it was a good film well worth a watch. Comes highly reccomended.
The Twilight Samurai also is a good film bit more of a slow burn charcter based film but worth your time.
Here is a few of my own that is one of those “should be” I think…
Replace the Black triangle 3P0 is waving to with the missing sandcrawler element or an image of the sandcrawler.
Add the missing tube background to the escape pod launch and have the escape pod rotate.
Put the tantive in the clamp under the star destroyer.
Restore Ponda Babba’s original arm chopped off.
Add missing star destroyer when falcon flys away from tattooine.
Remove Alderran from deathstar viewscreen so Leia does not look silly until it is announced planet of Alderaan. Use only one version of alderaan matte element. Have stars and planet go in opposite directions on alderaan viewscreen shot.
Add missing shot of viewscreen with stars after deathstar escape. “Are they away?”
Use alternate Angle for Han running up the ramp Docking bay 94.
Add alternate angle for Motti so his face is in camera when explaining final checks complete and viewscreen graphic.
Add a shot of smoke from behind sand dunes for establishing shot sandcrawler destroyed.
Uncensor cell block gunfight.
Put dish on the falcon docking bay 94
Make new binary sunset sky to remove bad matte shot.
Add short dialogue extension conference room scene.
Remove rubbish special edition CGI from mos eisley and go back to the original also remove Jabba. Make a nice matte painting establishing shot of mos eisley job done. Restore storm trooper waving through sleek yellow and black landspeeder.
Restore Han pulling a face at Chewie on Yavin Base
Cut to close up Dodonna “May the force be with you” end of briefing.
Restore the original take off from Yavin but put the Massasi temple in the shot. Then cut to Space leaving atmosphere.
Restore at least the audio “Let’s get out of here before that thing goes supernova” prior to death star explosion. And add the chain reaction to the surface of the deathstar. Show Tarkin watch the viewscreen go off.
Restore original death star explosion and alterate explosion out of x-wing back window on “may the force be with you always” luke in cockpit.
Put all sequences in the correct order of chronology and add any laser missing elements.
Fix battle of Yavin sequences missing shots elements and scene orders.
Create chasm matte of abyss when luke looks down death star bridge shoot out.
Fix death star sphere graphic
Add live action close ups for storm troopers riding Dewbacks alternate take.
Fix choppy edit of falcon flying away from deathstar. Sound and video feel cut off from next scene.
Add missing shot of sentry ships tie fighters before the rumbles and “here they come”
Restore missing scene of holo chess pieces stop motion animation.
Replace or improve Matte paintings of death Star docking bays.
Use 81 star destroyer opening shot flyover first scene.
Fix Green lasers missing yellow core and going turqoise / cyan.
Fix Red / orange going pink
Fix flashes going full on Magenta rather than Red / yellow
Fix tractor beam matte painting weird coloration.
Fix Death star elevator matte painting big black strip running through it.
Restore music for the Dianogu trash compacor scene.
Add missing shot of Dianogu tentacle at door Han shoots at “wait they’ll hear!” Or use the eyeball tentacle for this if it is moved shot.
Use Alternate angle for Vader swipe at Ben Kenobi during duel where Vader strikes the wall from trailer.
Restore Greedo scene to original version but use wide angle from SE for Han Killing Greedo.
Use alternate takes for cantina Dr evanzan approaching Luke. Han Jenny Kissing. Move Greedo spying on Han back to original placement. Move when Luke and Kenobi leave cantina Insert Gasmask Character to join the Han and greedo scene together rather than broken timeline.
Restore Original Destruction of Alderaan special effects and fix music cue removing small footage overun mistake of tarkin from behind mouthing a line with no audio. Also fix Vafer misiing chestplate.
For the death of John Doe x-wing pilot restore the explosion from the trailer for his death and move the x -wing destroyed travelling across the surface prior to luke making his attack run that is destroyed by surface gunfire.
Add Red leaders dive on the trench that is missing.
Fix Luke flying being chased by tie fighter missing background element. Should be up and away from surface seen in concept art drawings. Replace the moment Luke is hit by laser fire which is actually porkins being hit by laserfire. So correctly the tie fighter scores a hit and not surface guns.
Show a tie fighter in the trench shooting for gold leaders death vaders Tie shooting for Biggs death short inserts. Sloppy footage overuns.
Fix only 2 xwing rather than 3 fighters appearing for intial Luke Biggs and wedge attack run. “We’re going in we’re going in full throttle”
he was simply checking the cloak to make certain the body was completely gone.
Actual, Literal Laugh Out Loud
Also, not sure if serious…
I was half serious and yes I know its silly. :p
I just don’t get how him checking the cloak doesn’t make sense in the context of the series if it apparently does in the context of a standalone. Just asking for elaboration.
Because they had pyrotechnics for the actual Strike on the cloak dummy (it was meant to have flames) Vader stomping on the cloak would presumably been to put the flames out although what is shown is not a cloak on fire or any smoke even.
Probably they used a shot of a test of Vader putting out the flames with his foot rather than him actually putting out the flames with his foot.
You can see the cloak pyrotechnics in the documentary empire of dreams.
Bit of flames on the strike missing
On foot stimp Smoke is missing basically
Swap the dummy for Obiwan like adywan did is also good idea.
Super samurai!
Nobody could be bothered to drill a hole in the floor and feed a pipe with smoke coming out from the cloak. Hindsight is a beutiful thing but Obi-wan death was not always planned so nobody thought about it until it was already shooting. Too late.
Anakins Body should disapear problem is he was demasked when he died. You could look at Vader having his machine body left behind and his human parts disappearing I suppose… His head vanishing when he dies might look incredibly stupid while luke looks on. So a good call to not do that works ok I think. His head dissapearing might work on a gentle fade if done right would need music.
Yes I agree it is an assembly and it would have had for instance different options included within it.
My point about montross is that this was turned into a continuation of the Jabba scene first and unwritten if we are to trust the actor that originally played greedo.
Then a new version was filmed during principle photography that allowed for another option and a much better way to do the scene.
It is an assembly of options all on the table at once. You will have multiple takes of scenes also perhaps strung together it would not be like watching a film but multiple versions of scenes with options. At 13 reels it will have a lot of alternate angles and various dialogue changes and tonality deliverance of lines from actors.
It’s not that there is a massive amount more just that there are options to what is there with a bit of deleted scenes naturally most things are alternatives than a deleted scene in film.
Yes I have…
- Fourth Draft (January 1976)
- Revised Fourth Draft (Shooting Script) (March 1976)
You will have to navigate to the scene only found in the 4th draft revised. Peter Mayhew shooting script he showed on twitter contains the Montrose character scene meaning that the Greedo scene simply was not there originally and a re-write and removed Montrose that became Greedo for the purposes I already stated. It is about the only re-write apart from killing Ben Kenobi on Death Star and let’s get out of here before this thing goes supernova. Literally not much changes.
That is it apart from it being a rough cut a few alternate angles some different dialogue the Luke Binoculars Toshi station Biggs scenes a few tid bits here and there some incidental scenes.
This Dialogue is quite interesting
LUKE
See Threepio ... do you copy?
THREEPIO
I read you, sir.
LUKE
Are you safe?
THREEPIO
For the moment. We're in the main hangar,
across from the ship.
LUKE
We're right above you. Stand by.
Insert! (Han is watching the dozen or so troops moving in and out of the
starship).
HAN
Getting back to the ship's going to
be like flying through the Five Fire
Rings of Fornax.
LEIA
You came in that thing? You are braver
than I thought! Look I made a mistake apologies about that but I did note that the Alien yet to be named Greedo apeared on 4th Draft revised not on 4th Draft so it is safe to assume that Montross became Greedo in the re-write that was the main point, but it negates the need for the Jabba scene IMO but would still be included in an assembly.
This is an alternate angle for scene D42.
Presumeably it would have been this angle when the Lines are spoken
MOTTI
“The final check out is completed
and all systems are operational.
What course shall we set?”
We then would get the Final Checks Graphics and Motti’s face in shot.
I don’t really think there is much more to it but there are a few shots I must admit I would like to see like the close up of the storm trooper riding the Dewback is another.
It would seem the repeated shot of Tarkin Thinking before the Death star explodes replaces Luke in cockpit saying “Let’s get out of here before that thing goes supernova” or it would seem the placement is correct as per fourth draft and was filmed seen in the blooper reel.
Did they ever film smoke rising from behind a sand dune as the establishing shot for the Sandcrawler found destroyed?
We may never know… But as with all films there are a few incidental moments.
Sorry I missed it on the list my bad. So it is an Assembly everything in it.
Sorry missed it on the list
You need to remove Greedo in the Cantina as this was a re-shoot to pair everything down then. I prefer the way it was done without the Jabba scene in terms how the handled it though.
No, definitely no.
The Cantina scene with Greedo is in the fourth script (Jan.1976)Yeah, the Greedo cantina scene not a reshoot - when the Jabba scene was cut, the dialgoue in the Greedo scene was altered (by changing Greedo’s subtitles and lifting a Han line directly from the Jabba scene) to give the same information that the Jabba scene did. When they restored the Jabba scene in 1997, though, they forgot to revert the Greedo scene back to its originally-filmed state.
The Greedo scene is not a re-shoot but it was obviously caught that the Jabba scene was not working so the Jabba scene it would seem was discarded way before Tosche station and Biggs and so on all the other stuff.
There is no mention of the Jabba scene being in the Lost Cut.
https://starwarz.com/tbone/the-lost-cut-of-star-wars/
This is interesting as it means the Lost Cut is NOT an assembly
Is the Jabba scene in the Black and white version serious question… That is really what I am asking?
If Greedo is in would Jabba be removed?
Or as it’s an assembly everything is in no matter what it is… Which would mean you would have everything that was shot more or less in it?
Yes this is all correct but on inclusion of the Jabba scene… I think that Montross became the Rhodian that come to collect Jabba’s money essentially Jabba changes his mind.
Once Montross was written out they needed to still establish Mos-Eeisley was shut down… We have the short scene with Vader and Bast to accomplish this.
But since it probably felt a bit sort of slow and even was getting caught up with the Montross thread as it did not progress the plot the decision was made to take the Idea of the Rhodian Bounty hunter which they had and do the re-shoot of the Greedo Cantina scene which covers all the plot from the Jabba scene apart from Mos-Eisley is Shut.
Presumably the Rhodian at the Falcon was similar to the Cantina scene and how it was shot like a Mexican stand off he was easy to remove because Han and the Rhodian were only seen together probably for only one shot. (It was a short interupted Mexican Stand off gate crashed by Stormtroopers)
You need to remove Greedo in the Cantina as this was a re-shoot in England primarily to remove Jabba and to pair everything down then. I prefer the way it was done without the Jabba scene in terms how the handled it though.
This is the only occasion in the film / script that something quite major was done to change the way it worked. I can’t see any other major changes apart from Killing Kenobi but he had nothing to do at the end anyway apart from give the briefing. When was the Greedo cantina scene shot in the United states after principal photography at elstree?
There would have to be an awful lot of stuff removed creature wise too! Seems Greedo was in and Jabba was out but they had to make Greedo work Better and add more fun alien creatures music and so on.
Everything else like the Biggs Scenes are straight up removals with the threads seen throughout the film pointing to their existance and interwoven.
I think you feel a bit conflicted about the fact Greedo was not always there? You can’t get rid of Greedo I agree so no need for Jabba 😃
been looking for this scene can’t find it… Is the graphic on the screen a map of the detention block prison?
Sorry just going back to the peter Mayhew script tweets about his shooting script.
I seem to remember a discussion about a scene which is yet another variation at mos - eisley docking bay. Somone coming to tell them that they did not have clearance for travel or could not take off… I don’t remember to be honest. But I do remember people getting excited about the potential character that pays a visit to the falcon before they take off.
Montross character you mentioned he pulls a gun on Han…
The thread is in the general discussions here somewhere in regard to peter mayhew tweets on his shooting script.
Sorry but I am really tired been a busy day I just do not have the energy to search for it right now.
Thanks for the script links
Is there any mention of the extended conference room dialogue we saw only recently in any of the scripts?
Is there any script where Ben Kenobi does not die on the death star? This is an admitted change to the script by Lucus himself.
Could you actually link to some versions I did look at one version.
I think it is quite impossible to know you need original shooting script and shooting schedule and shooting script revisions. It would be quite complicated due to the various rewrites during shooting.
I hope we can keep the discussion open about what was shot and what might be included in this cut. But I think it is clear that the Lost Cut we are discussing probably followed the script pretty closely and that a lot of trimming was done to get down to the final edit. I have an fan edit in mind that would put back and undo as many of the changes as are possible, but with the final music and FX left in place. So I am very interested in what all exists that we can use to get as close as possible to this cut.
I Think the video on the lost cut was good overall I have pointed out where I disagree on one point. I don’t really feel it is possible to talk openly about it here. If I start to try to explain why I said something it will cause even more trouble.
Nobody has to agree with my opinions I don’t mind people disagreeing with me. As much as I would like to elaborate on what I said and the reason why I said it and I do feel the greedo Rhodian character scene is legit I don’t think the actor under the mask is a liar. You will have to think about what I normally look for and what I normally talk about…
I don’t actually have anything else to say because it would not be relevant to the black and white first assembly…Although the falcon shoot out is.
You also must remember in the video from this thread it talks about the script being changed many times throughout shooting. I don’t think the script is entirely trustworthy because it is revised to not include many things we know that were shot. It would be good to have the one Peter Mayhew was sharing on twitter… That would be the one you need 😃
Not sure about the E.T. deleted scene I thought it was only available on laserdisc…?
I think one of the Jaws laserdisc simply has the unaltered day for night opening and the unique cut to Quints tacklebox.
Aeon Flux simply had some small auidio parts changed from it’s original broadcast on the Dvd. It premiered on MTV.