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Hope this is inspiring....

darth_ender said:

Ronster, that's great news!  I'm excited to see what you've done, and I'm sure your skills are improving.  As for Star Tours, I actually am finally figuring out how to color correct it better, and I've nearly gotten it to a point where I'm pleased with it, though it will always have its shortcomings while I work with it.  I'll try to upload that today along with my script.  I look forward to seeing what you've done with the various clips for your mockup.  Keep up the good work.

I tried to colour correct it myself and kept over doing it I think but I just could not get the colours how they should look without losing somthing else... I have decided to move on now and get the meat and potatoes of my ideas out the way but if you can do it as your results were way better than mine I'll do the rest i.e. cockpit stuff and render as a mock-up hopefully before the trial runs out...

I'm excited because I have improved a  little and some of my results look better which is spurring me on to atleast get some of these ideas visualized for reference for the people who really know how to do this stuff really well.

so just about to start on some more now....

Well I have good news.... I ploughed into visualizing and doing sound clips for what I have left on "my list" to mock-up and visualize and complete what I started 2 months ago... Quite a bit of progress was made yesterday and I am thinking or believe that I will have a complete rough cut of ROTJ of my vision and in some cases our vision by the end of the weekend if not begining of next week.

I will not be able to share it in whole here due to forum restrictions but I will be sending a link to Darth_Ender, Mr InsaneA and fishmanlee atleast for their refererence. But I will share the clips here.

I have completed the executor arriving at Deathstar II and the parting of ways after the sail barge blow up now on tatooine and many of the missing shots to luke finding the falcon on tattooine. Done Vaders Audio Lines for the new opening also. Rough Title crawl is also done. And Audio cuts to Mon Mothma in the briefing

Whats left on my list?

1.Lars Homestead and the Haboob sandstorm with inclusion of deleted scene Luke going to the x-wing.with flashback sequence not sure how this will turn out but I'm hopefull

2.Adding Some Audio to the opening and a quite a few new shots and the inclusion of Vaders lines from interactive boardgame re-using footage from ESB Bobba fetts console animation.

3. Adding drumming to the Rancor pit entertainment (FX not required)

4. Add elements of jerry goldsmiths planet of the apes to the opening and the sarlac pitt see below (FX not Required)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJnBF3Taf4A

5. Add luke saying "yoda" after Vader says in the final duel "Obi-Wan has taught you well." (FX not required)

6. insert the middle journey to endor speeder bikes etc & insert celebrations and end credits etc (FX not Required)

7. Might expand the final space battle with the inclusion of darth_enders cues on falcon gunners re-using some ANH footage. @Darth_Ender if you can colour correct the Death star surface shots and some of the approach from the star tours DVD you got I will include this also and put it in the falcon cockpit window. I plan to do a cockpit shot of a ship slamming into the shield also if i can. And the falcons approach to Deathstar 2 using star tours 2 cgi footage too. But may not have time for all this extra stuff but I'll do what I can.....

8. 1 shot remaining to complete Lukes arrival at tatooine and finding the falcon + insertion of audio lines.

on it's way soon hopefully.... I only have 5 days left on my CS5 trial so any effects shots after this point are not possible for me to do and is my deadline at present.

It is only a rough cut but I am excited to finish this now.... this is also a bit of a reference list for myself so sorry for the long post All FX shots will take preference first everything else later So hope I am not underestimating but I probably am I will not be including Jerjorod targeting Endor because I don't like this idea.

Johannus that was a really great post before and I really do not think you sound like your ranting It is a concern shared and as you said you will never please everyone no matter how hard you try.

I truly like your idea I think it's brilliant as I would not have bothered doing some work on it myself... Just to clarify with you I'm not against your expanded idea I just would not know how to execute it that is all.... I hope you liked what I did with the glow fx?

I wish you had a black glove on too if that was your hand in the footage lol

Somthing to bear in mind for version 1 or this edit...

The simplist of ideas are often the best

@Darth_Ender you have done an amazing job thus far and this is a suggestion for the final round of votes aswell as any new ideas that could be voted on there should perhaps be a multiple choice section to avoid conflicting ideas so perhaps you could use a site like this and make life a little bit easier on yourself.

http://pollcode.com/

there is others too I just put that site for an example

Say for instance there has to be some sort of craft to the script being essentially nailed down and final for MrInsaneA and the purging of any inconsistancies or conflicts in what has been voted and as Johannus has suggested there needs to be a little dictatorship also as you'll end up with a wishy washy not going in any particular direction as everyone has different ideas or there own.... Yes no and maybe cannot surfice in this regard and perhaps multiple choice is the way to nail via choices between rather than somone voting yes or no to everything.

a control method of you like...

For example Luke and Leia as siblings

Multiple choice options could be

1.Leave it unaltered

2.Remove it altogether

3.Have Obi-wan confirm Luke is leias sister remove the stupid jelousy from Han, Have Luke nearly tell Leia but keeps it a secret as obi-wan instructed, Vader finds out when leia gets shot in the arm while luke is onboard DSII It also triggers lukes rage ... Vader pleads with Luke on his deathscene "tell your sister...." Leia still does not know yet at the end but she realises she has some force powers

4. As above in option 3 but luke tells leia via telepathy after destruction of DSII she is his sister to reolve plot

THis type of vote also needs to be done with the Anakin force ghosts or complete removal to mention another 3 pronged scenario. you get the idea I'm sure as at the momment the voting is somewhat comprmised You could vote down all options or vote for all options without making a specific choice or direction to take.

I'm not saying the voting was not conclusive either I'm just saying use this tool for some things

XyZ said:

Will you call this project "Blue Harvest" ?

lol blue about harvesting loads of ideas i'm incapable of executing? Yeah why not....

I wanted to go with "Last of the Jedi" because yoda says it just before he dies and we don't see any jedi's return exactly so I liked that

Harmy said:

Yeah, I don't think Lando should die in the final battle, I think Han should, Lando should die during the Sarlacc sequence. My idea (that just came to me) is this: They plant the explosives in the shield generator but they don't go off. If they don't blow up the shield, the fleet would be destroyed and everyone would die, so Han sacrifices himself and detonates the bomb manually. This could coincide with Luke hiding in the shadows refusing to fight Vader, and Luke could feel Han dying and it could be the trigger that makes him go after Vader, thus eliminating the need for Vader to talk about Luke's sister and thus enabling the removal of the whole stupid sister subplot.

But I understand it's probably pretty late now and it would also be hard to pull off (though not impossible).

i still think my best idea yet was that Leia was lukes sister but luke never tells her because obi-wan told him not to do so and all the jelousy is gone from Han it also makes vaders death more sad because he knows he has a daughter but leia still does not know her father....

Leia being shot in the arm triggers Lukes rage

It's all in my last act re-structure and I'm still sad about it getting voted a no :(

Got voted a solid no though... I wanted to make a more mature ROTJ but this is not my edit

Harmy said:

That works.

I've updated my list of ideas and mock-up stuff in the first post under ronsters ideas... all my main submissions are there including the final act restructure forget about Lando kicking the bucket it was an experiment.

for the drumming like 1.59 in this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otJ95PWVG6c

This is what I came up with and jaitea has done a version with a bit of mrebo in it

Re-Cut Lapti-Nek

Link below... Hope you like it, I tried to get rid of the close up dodgy puppet singer and make it work including some SE footage also. Short and sweet and I think it works ok.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ndfubkhrsa1m6ix

Theres also some footage of guys hitting drums in max rebo from the special edition and my thoughts on this were that this should be for the rancor entertainment and have some kodo drums for this for when Oola was actually in the pit rather than when the band is playing...

This would happen again when luke falls in also....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PiDRgDmXGi4#t=0s

It might work but have not thought about it since

darth_ender said:

Had a test today.  Have a lot going on.  But I'll get it soon.  Seriously, most of the significant changes are with the Battle of Endor.  You'll have the script by...Friday I hope.  Putting the kids to bed right now, and then I've got chores :(

I hope things do get off the ground.... I've put alot thought into this and would hope a final cut results eventually,,, I would not mind even trying to do my own ideas too but that is not possible for me to pursue this at the present time.

Remember obi-wan said "there are always alternatives....."

what would be to stop you putting this 360p footage into a cockpit to make up the remainder of the picture or even as bingowings suggeested  on a video screen.... The footage is all POV anyway so I cannot think of any other use for it other than a POV cockpit sequence or out of a window.

I'm not pushing hard for it's inclusion but let's face it, there is not much else out there that could lighten the workload so don't discount it just yet....

Don't get too wrapped up in HD 1080p most people on the planet do not have the capability of even seeing anything at that resolution so infact you are narrowing your audience by choosing that option go figure....

Edit: although there is only so much you can also polish a turd

darth_ender said:

Well, you know what they say, if you want something done, you've got to do it yourself.  I am using a free program called AVIdemux, and I'm having some decent results.  It will probably never be anywhere close to perfect under my hand, but at least I can show what is possible, and perhaps somebody with the know-how will fix it some time.  I really feel there is a ton of potential to this footage.  I'll post it when I'm done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9CWq5JmGOs&list=UU20caLOvw_MpHB0phCpVMXA&index=190&feature=plcp

This is the original rip the definition is better as it has the test bars and his video player adjusts the tracking lol which other people edited out but was obviousky ripped from video tape...

I nearly had it there before so I will give it another go in after effects using the satuation and colour correction but with this footage instead

this is once agin the pissy yellow one but a bit better

the test bars will come in really handy for the colour correction also :)

ShepardCommander said:

Ronster said:

http://www.mediafire.com/?yh38u0d8a5dx831

To join the dots the audio in the briefing from mon mothma is changed to "The infomation brought to us(cut by the Bothan spies) pinpoints(add sss) the exact location of the deathstar" and "Many (cut Bothan spies) died bringing us this infomation"

Nice video, but that involve a lot of cgi, and phisical modelling thou. :P Here is another cool funny video: :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdukWtJwlPU&feature=sh_e_top&list=SL

Thats really funny,,,,

Yep alot of work just putting this mock-up together also...

It's a big opening... Thats meant to leave you satisfied, aswell as fill in the plot gaps until luke starts fighting the rancor 40mins later. and the sail barge 50mins later The models on sci-fi 3d could be used so It's only the animation that would need doing which I guess Is a 3rd of the workload gone so I don't feel too bad about suggesting such an elaborate opeing or re-using some footage in it also .  But it needs pilots  thats the problem

but you also get to see more of boba fett and slave 1 and vader would also be added I like the idea home 1 is the ship to open the film also rather than another star destroyer...

So nobody's up for a 2.5 minute space battle at the begining to set the sub-plot story up? Nevermind...

darth_ender said:

Not a bad mockup, and now that I understand it better, it seems very exciting.  Considering what the team is going for, I'm not sure it's a good fit for our edit, but I have to be honest, I really like where you're going with it.  I hope you do choose to flesh it out.  I really mean it.  I want you to make your own edit as well, as you've got some great ideas.  I of course hope you'll continue to contribute heavily here, but your ambitious ideas could make a very interesting alternative version.  In my opinion, there is no definitive version of these movies.  I can enjoy several different takes, and if you make an alternate, I'm sure I'd be very pleased :)  Your skills are really improving there, and you've talked me into downloading the trial version as well, though I'll probably end up wasting most of the time.

Thanks D...

It's really time consuming wether it is because I am a beginner or all this stuff just takes time anyway......

So what is the opening scene? is it nailed down as solid now as a dagobah opens it all?

I just did this idea, because I wanted to fill the gaps in what was there story wise and amalgamte alot of other peoples ideas including my own into it... It would be a big undertaking and It has taken me ages just to pull the mock-up together and adjust it etc

Anyway I could not do this on my own either because it would need alot of cgi models sfx and music too,,,, I think I will leave it there

Ok so I got my suggestion put together for a new opening/begining no audio and no scenes with vader as I did plan to but don't want to spend anymore time if this gets shot down so Vader is on the last star destroyer that jumps in and the sequence would end on him looking out the window or choking an admiral of the other star destroyer undecided but I would need an overwhelming response of yes this is a really good idea to develop it further but this is a way ROTJ could start....Or perhaps ditch it or draw inspiration from it

The first shot is intended to be immediatley after the opening crawl

Basically Bobba Fett sends a transmission of the plans to home one after they pay him which would be displayed on the screen inside slave 1 after this all hell breaks loose

Audio lines are:

Rebels on radio bobas cockpit"Do you have it?"

Boba "After I get Paid"

after star destroyers jump in madine looks about " Star destroyers have enetered our sector!"

could use some pilots!!!

Madinde "prepare to make the jump to hyperspace on my mark" after he lost lots of souls bless him

Vaders lines from Interactive Boardgame undecided

http://www.mediafire.com/?yh38u0d8a5dx831

To join the dots the audio in the briefing from mon mothma is changed to "The infomation brought to us(cut by the Bothan spies) pinpoints(add sss) the exact location of the deathstar" and "Many (cut Bothan spies) died bringing us this infomation"

Ok so I've ditched the emperor getting picked up by the executor on coruscant.... I'd like to do It but I am running out of time and there is more important shots and storyboarding to focus on so I have started doing the a new opening and then I will try to focus on finishing up tattooine and the emporers arrival I have some mock-ups for coruscant but I'll load them up later on... It's alot of work but I really want to get it all done before my trial expires of after effects

I was trying to erase stuff from a clip 3mins long and it crashed so I have cut it into 2 parts and the first part is now done but thats only part of the total amount that needs to be done

darth_ender said:

New plan:

Everything just takes too darn long.  What I'm doing is borrowing the googledoc used to describe the various changes throughout the movie's numerous releases.  I'm deleting any extraneous stuff and only keeping the GOUT and 2004 DVD (and maybe the 2011 BD) details.  In the column describing the changes, I will note all the desired changes we have pretty firmly decided on.  I will also include links to audio, video, and pictures to best capture ideas.  I will upload it and make it available to editing by the team of editors, who can then annotate what they're working on and what is completed.  Editors, what do you think of this plan?  Will this give you guys appropriate direction?

Tell me about it.... I just lost what I was working on now I have to do it again urrrghh

Bingowings said:

Maybe those Bothan spies have hidden cameras on the Death Star and transmit the details of the Emperor's visit to a base or ship in the form of holograms.

Things like the Star Tours footage could be holograms projected from the briefing room table during the battle.

i have a sequence partly inspired by your idea of a transmission Bingowings... And I have to do some work on it before putting it up here as a concept... It is a bit lacking in terms of there being more human elements in the sequence... But am planning to start on this today... and over the weekend...

Hopefuilly I will have it up soon.

Edit - Just found those human elements so It will be alot more plausible now

If you went with the camera idea Bobba fett could shoot it and use return of the ewok footage

darth_ender said:

Honestly, if I got nothing visual out of that movie other than that walk down the hall, I believe it would be sufficient.  But if we were to go further, you're probably right that it would be best interpreted as "lost" footage.

I Tried to colour correct that Jap star tours original footage and it's no good or atleast I found it really hard to do... It's saturated with yellow yet even when you take that out it still looks wrong as you loose part of the red when doing so..... So I will now say that this footage is now unusable but I never did colour correction before until then... The resolutions not great either... But I'll keep my fingers crossed for that DVD you picked up D and hopefully this will be key to expanding some of the endor battle... Atleast across the DSII surface even through a cockpit window

I like the idea of using the deleted scene footage for Jejerrod and this footage for before Reaching out to luke It's a good idea if it's usable...

I think your somewhat right on counting what needs to be done.... so I will suggest a numbering system so say split the film into logical portions and then denote a second number for the task for example 1.3 might be dagobah bens ghost recoluration and 2.4 might be on tattooine at jabbas palace iron door. That way atleast you can see which portions would need the most work aswell as they can be easily brokendown and viewed and struck off the list too.

Unfortunatley it would be hard to quantify how much a 2 figure number would be to strike so then it would add a 3rd number by the technical editors for each consecutive shot to complete the task for instance task 2.4 is to have the Iron Door droid scan c3po and R2 at jabbas palace so this could be broken down as 2 effects shots and would translate as 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 respectivley.

If you want to go further a fourth number would be audio and music cues specific to shots with sfx and music or vocal editing so 2.4..1.1 sfx of the scan and 2.4.1.2 would be a new music sting say

I hope this would seem logical to list this way and it is expandable and trackable

Angel said:

Ronster said:

Do you think they basically ripped Ralph off or what I mean the resemblence between the 2 buildings is basically a carbon copy apart from that symbol but good thinking Angel for the swap of symbols.... And brilliant find!

Possibly but there arent many to remember that, or mention the similarities :)

Its rather funny to assume that the throne room is somewhere there (the light condition fits)

The movie have a couple more shots of this building i remember. The only bad(if you can count as bad) is the ash that raining all the time. I would leave it tho as artistic liberation :P

-Angel

I thought it was a still so this was a concern initially but as it's footage yeah why not if it's moving ash plumes no problem like coruscant techno city descends into to industrial hell I like it. :)

Angel said:

Its from a movie called Priest

You can take a preview of this shot in the trailer

I can imagine changing that cross with the imperial symbol and that blue monitor with something imperialish i guess.

Higher rez images can be taken from the movie or the HD trailers.

-Angel

Do you think they basically ripped Ralph off or what I mean the resemblence between the 2 buildings is basically a carbon copy apart from that symbol but good thinking Angel for the swap of symbols.... And brilliant find!

Angel said:

Ronster said:

So does anyone want to have a go at a matte of this but I have some stipulation about the colourisation being Blues and darkly lit with night lights on in buildings /dusk nightfall the sky will have a lightning storm footage as a backdrop so do not worry too much for the sky. Think more along the lines of the tower of Barud-dur or draculas castle than coruscant as we knew it... It needs to look more gothic than techno city basically If anyone wants to have a go it will make the sequence complete

I think Priest is the one shot you are looking for :)

Thanks Angel.....This is pretty perfect apart from the luminous symbol which will be going....Where do I find this image original format or what is the file name for a search?

Harmy said:

It's way too bad to be usable after cropping, even in SD. But here's a quick crude mockup of how it could be made semi usable:

Thats a cheeky little trick mirroring the left and right but it works well enough.....

I have the sound clips and will be playing about with them later on I will make them more like the real thing hopefully Cheers D

Now one of my mottos is that I don't like to have to ask anyone for somthing I would not be prepared to do myself but I don't have the skill and I am sure there is an artist that might want to do this for fun anyway... So I have all the resources to do the emperor leaving corusant but there is nothing I can use for the imperial palace as ralph mcquarrie envisioned it.....

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So does anyone want to have a go at a matte of this but I have some stipulation about the colourisation being Blues and darkly lit with night lights on in buildings /dusk nightfall the sky will have a lightning storm footage as a backdrop so do not worry too much for the sky. Think more along the lines of the tower of Barud-dur or draculas castle than coruscant as we knew it... It needs to look more gothic than techno city basically If anyone wants to have a go it will make the sequence complete

darth_ender said:

I've downloaded several different versions from different sources, but thus far I can't find something that would be an easy restoration (near-proper colors, stable frame), not even on the well thought out DVDs.  However, I may have found someone willing to sell me a movie for around $25 (for a 4 1/2 minute movie...).  I've asked if it is a good quality version, and hopefully I'll get feedback soon.  This really needs to be put on MySpleen or something, and if I do end up getting it, I will provide it for all.  I think it could be a good resource for several edits, not just this one.

I'd be careful because the person will no doubt say it's good quality... So how will you be able to tell until after you have paid for it?

Ovan Marekal said:

Been fiddling with the rough "Boba beheaded" scene; I've tightened up the final hop onto Luke's side of the transport and put in a better shot of Boba's head flying off. 

No idea how to put it on here, though; maybe you folks could suggest one? :-)

Would be great to see what you have done... I only started using after effects on a free trial so I don't have much time left to put my ideas to screen this was about 2 weeks ago so I am a complete beginner and apologies for the quality of what I have done but I needed a way to atleast show my ideas in the hope somone who knows how to use the software could improve upon it...

My strategy just might work? perhaps I'll need to make another account too because I am going to run out of time soon....And hopefully I will run out of ideas also :)

Try mediafire I have no problem with it at all it's easy to use and look forward to seeing the clip soon....

@DarthEnder I was reading the thread about the star tours restoration and some dude put it on DVD already.... I wonder if that is the version that is on youtube with improved colour but widescreen transfer... Although grainy.... I think the Jap version may shape up better with colour correction.

@Bingowings It looks like that clip might be all CGI....looking at it the stills on the youtube look alright but there is a certain dirtyness lacking by the looks of it.... Like star tours 2 it's too clean but the deathstar II zoom shot is ok the star destroyers look weird though I wonder if we could make that look grainier / dirtier and soften it might improve it in a way.

It a terrible case of footage either being too digital CGI or poor source quality and being able to find that happy medium in between to get it all to match up