Ronster

darth_ender said:

Oh, cool.  I didn't understand that you agreed, but I think your line really does make it more justifiable.  But I'll still put it in the vote, since both you and MrInsaneA both at least once thought it was the way to go.  I think your last sentence answered mine and everyone's concerns though: if the Eclipse is escorted by several other Star Destroyers that stay, it would make more sense for the Eclipse to depart by itself.  Good call, Ron.

D please do me a favour let me finish this complete rough cut before you put anything else up for vote... I always feel like I'm racing against the clock to get things done I'm hoping I will actually have it done today or later in the week...

I am asking this because I want to watch the daneditors version too and perhaps take some inspiration from this... Infact I already have a bit... The inclusion of the music piece Luke and Leia at the end.

There is 3 other cuts I wish to check but I may just have a go without watching dan editors take  because of time restraints regarding cutting Obiwan and luke "A certain point of view" lines C3PO dialogue with Bib Fortuna Jabbas palace, cutting tydirium differently and it's passage to endor to make it more tense perhaps

I have cut the scene with wicket and leia down, made it less patronising but not removed it because I feel it's important to show that Ewoks are not just stupid teddy bears there is some sense to this scene.

So I have been collecting resources to expand the space battle a bit for this rough cut from your take for placeholders aswell as do a new ending I am resolving my idea about luke telling leia on the bridge she is his sister during the celebrations practically the same setting what luck hoping it will add to the end and resolution of my take... And actually sway peoples opinion on what I still feel is the best idea for ROTJ ever :)

I am planning also to show the celebrations around the galaxy where it would normally roll credits and then cut back to ships leaving Endor and joining the fleet then into hyperspace roll end credits I will be removing the ewok JW score from the credits and replacing with across the stars.

So don't think I'm disregarding the script you have worked so hard on I will be merely providing you with a What about this? Aswell as my final rough cut...

I will announce when it's done and if any of you would like to see it please PM me Darth Ender I will send you a copy regardless for your reference. I will cut some of the ideas and compile in a post for ideas too

darth_ender said:

That's a good point on the line about Han's line, which to me further justifies making it a big ship.  I don't see how it is outdoing the Executor.  To me one is a Cadillac and the other is a Lincoln, but they're both luxury cars.  I just have a hard time believing the Emperor would bring something smaller and leave the big ship with Vader.  He's consistently shown that he's arrogant.

Even if we downscale the Eclipse, I don't think it should be the size of a regular Star Destroyer, nor do I think it should stay in the battle.  The Rebels are already outgunned.  We want their victory to be believable, and big or small, the Eclipse is sure to be a heavily armed vessel.  And if we keep it for the battle, the story virtually demands that we address what would happen to it.  We'd need to see its destruction as well.

I don't understand what you mean about two crippled Star Destroyers, Ron.  Luke's line can stay, that's fine with me.  I'll have to toy with the Jerjerrod scene and Vader in the hall as well.

I am talking about my opening mock up... Vader comes in after the 2 star destroyers are crippled by home 1... Perhaps it's not entirly clear what is supposed to be going on as it's very difficult when you cannot create somthing and only modify some computer game :(....

But basically I was suggesting that he would come in the executor instead of a normal star destroyer change that too now to the executor. and keep the executor arrives at DSII

The eclipse would not need downscaling after I hear the line from Han it's basically grants complete artisitic license and your right why would the emperor have a crapper ship than vaders. If the Eclipse had normal star destroyers with it then it would make sense they stay and the eclipse on it's own departs

darth_ender said:

I think we can keep them out of the same shots, and like I said, we'll put it up for a vote.  I may be in the minority.

I have started assembling a complete rough cut today from all I have done already... And was listening to Han while they are on shuttle tydirium trying to get clearance and Han says "there are plenty of command ships" So for me thats a green light for the eclipse and the executor... If somthing like my opening mock-up is a liked voted for idea then Vader should jump in on the executor after the 2 star destroyers are crippled this would also mean vader shows up at DSII as in the script you have already put up D and if the Ralph Mcquarrie tribute is liked then I will go with your suggestion that it should be the eclipse as it suits the emperor much better. And would make more sense that Han also says this line.

But as MrInsaneA has just said I don't want the executor being outdone

So I fixed the cut to obi-wan by cutting you cannot escape your destiny also and it works well this way... I have Observed all other cuts except C3PO telling the story because I don't think it works all that well and luke "Vader is here now on this moon" because he could have been coming from somewhere else on Endor not neccesarily from The Executor or DSII.

Did Vader choking Jejerod in rough and it's ok but has problems the walk towards down the hall does not quite make it up to the camera from lukes lightsabre deleted scene so his appearance on the edge of the screen will need to be re-timed and delayed when cutting to jejerods conflict first scene via masking and compositing. added line from the interactive board game "The responsibility is yours commander" as is all that would work somewhat well just a disrespect to him really and then he gets in the lift from lukes lightsabre deleted scene resumed.

true but my thinking is more like showing that design of the eclipse but only his personl transport and not making anyone even think is that thing bigger than the executor so you would need to establish that it is definatly not outdoing the executor in anyshots they might appear together in be it at coruscant for the ralph tribute or at DSII arrival... So if you do not show it at all together with the executor then no problems but if you show it being escorted say by the executor it needs to be alot smaller

yep it can just leave no audio dubs required

looking at that picture though if you asked me which one was bigger.... Well say no more

It's not all about length you need to take girth into account too lol :)

darth_ender said:

Ronster said:

darth_ender said:

Just found this website if we want to do any physical modeling instead of CGI:

http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~ddwwp/ScaleSolutionsShopResinModelKits.html

Could do the Executor and the Eclipse.

Having not known what the eclipse actually looked like until seeing that image on the link, I would say that it suits the emperor very well in a sense that it is stylized as such that it looks more like what he would travel in and I think now I understand why you have been saying this.... Although I would have had no means to be able to do a mock-up with that ship... But as I recall you saying that It would only serve as a vessel and not be in the battle with it's attributes... But you also lose the sense of the fleet getting bigger and amassing their forces in preparation for the rebels attack.

So I like the idea but I feel that you loose the empires fleet amassing there forces in greater numbers around DSII upon arrival of the emperor

Would it need to be Super-ster destroyer size and could the design be star destroyer size (scale down) and just use the design as opposed to what it actually "is" Then you could have it escorted by the executor for example and have the best of both.

Sorry not discounting that you want the Executor to drop Vader off as per the script... I am just looking at other possibilities.

Here is a finished model from scale solutions... To give you an idea what an assembled one might look like

http://www.starwars-models-images.com/others/SCALESOLUTIONS_ECLIPSE.html

So if you could imagine this as star destroyer size and seeing as they were not built until much later on in the EU Saga it might corelate that they were built at super star destroyer size in rememberence of dear old palps.

Basically I feel the design is it's selling point more spiky, gothic and more evil and better suited to the emperor so with not only seeing the imperial palace (if people like that tribute to ralph) and this it would continue to cunjure a greater cliche to old hammer horror type dracula's castle this bloke is incredibly evil. But I don't think it needs to be as big as it is in reality.

Your reasoning is probably very similar to MrInsaneA's.  I'll just say that I'm not that attached to the Eclipse...I think it'd be fun, but I can live without it.  The reason for ever mentioning it is this: in the novel it  became clear why Vader arrived only in a standard Imperial Star Destroyer--it's because the Emperor arrived in the Super Star Destroyer.  I read this after we'd already changed the script so that Vader arrived in the Executor.  Then it occurred to me...he's the Emperor, he's not going to be outdone by Vader.  Maybe he'd arrive in the Eclipse!  It's even badder in many ways.  Plus it looks pretty darn cool.

Then I thought, "No way.  That ship is too powerful.  Even minus the superlaser, having two giant ships against the Rebels would just be too much to make a happy ending realistic."  But then I thought, well, what if it drops him off and leaves?

You see, if it is to be included, it would have to be on par with Vader's ship, or it's just not worth it.  But then it would have to leave, or it would just be too much.  I know the Empire is amassing ships and men, but an empire as large as the Galactic Empire surely has far more ships and troops than shown here.  They gathered enough to defeat the Rebellion, but their forces still had other missions to perform, such as maintaining martial law throughout the Galaxy.  I can find it believable for the Eclipse to go fill some other role, and perhaps it would be better to explain somehow why it was leaving (not sure how this could be done).  But I truly feel it's better to either keep it big, or leave it out.  I like the idea, but I'm not emotionally attached to it, so either way I'm okay with it.

I guess if anyone can think of a decent way to explain its departure onscreen with available material (perhaps a dubbed line) and without distracting from the story, it might justify its presence a little better.  Any thoughts.

PS I'll include a miniature Eclipse as a voting item anyway.

 

I think you are on the right lines D but like I myself have overdone it with some of miy ideas I think this is perhaps in the similar vein but after seeing this for the first time only today... I think it would be a very fitting ship for the emperor almost like an air force one for the emperor but it's size is too much that is all and I do really want to support the suggestion as I agree looks cool it looks gothic and most of all evil designed no doubt with the emperor in mind it should be his personal transport but the executor cannot be outdone as this is the super-star destroyer of OT and nothing else.

Although thinking if they build him his own star destroyer then he would need a modified shuttle also going down this stram of thought. But it ends there...

If it were decided to go this far I guess heis worth it afterall one of the best evil villains ever he deserves it.

Never new what I was doing in my mock-ups were cannon?

no need for any dubs just show it going into hyperspace... It left...

jonathan7 said:

Just had an idea for the sand storm deleted scene, could  it be an Imperial probe droid which is spying on them as they escape and then have Vader watching it on a screen... The scene would need to be cut, and have an establishing shot of the droid, but with it up on a screen it would establish why the quality wasn't as good perhap?

It's a good idea but it does not lead anywhere because they are meant to be stowed away on a stolen shuttle after the briefing around sullust and nobody pursues them when they leave tatooine so although it's a good idea in essence it does not serve any plot devices and does not help in anyway the empire catch the hereos.

although if rotj was in it's original structure and you kept boba alive could work better that way you would exlpain how vader knows the rebels are amassing near sullust...

darth_ender said:

Just found this website if we want to do any physical modeling instead of CGI:

http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~ddwwp/ScaleSolutionsShopResinModelKits.html

Could do the Executor and the Eclipse.

Having not known what the eclipse actually looked like until seeing that image on the link, I would say that it suits the emperor very well in a sense that it is stylized as such that it looks more like what he would travel in and I think now I understand why you have been saying this.... Although I would have had no means to be able to do a mock-up with that ship... But as I recall you saying that It would only serve as a vessel and not be in the battle with it's attributes... But you also lose the sense of the fleet getting bigger and amassing their forces in preparation for the rebels attack.

So I like the idea but I feel that you loose the empires fleet amassing there forces in greater numbers around DSII upon arrival of the emperor

Would it need to be Super-ster destroyer size and could the design be star destroyer size (scale down) and just use the design as opposed to what it actually "is" Then you could have it escorted by the executor for example and have the best of both.

Sorry not discounting that you want the Executor to drop Vader off as per the script... I am just looking at other possibilities.

Here is a finished model from scale solutions... To give you an idea what an assembled one might look like

http://www.starwars-models-images.com/others/SCALESOLUTIONS_ECLIPSE.html

So if you could imagine this as star destroyer size and seeing as they were not built until much later on in the EU Saga it might corelate that they were built at super star destroyer size in rememberence of dear old palps.

Basically I feel the design is it's selling point more spiky, gothic and more evil and better suited to the emperor so with not only seeing the imperial palace (if people like that tribute to ralph) and this it would continue to cunjure a greater cliche to old hammer horror type dracula's castle this bloke is incredibly evil. But I don't think it needs to be as big as it is in reality.

Talking about the cut to Obi-wan on Dagobah reiterating "you must face darth Vader again"

the line where he says "you cannot escape your destiny" needs to go long with Obi-wan on the log and lukes back turned then cut to lukes face "I can't kill my own father... Atleast thats the best I can see who to achieve this cut.

@Darth_ender just to clarify with you about the lars homestead scene I think you are right I overdone it and would like you to include it up for vote but state that it would not include the flashbacks that I did in the mock-up I created.

That said you still need to show the falcon in space to allow the transition to this scene so I would like to also affirm that if this scene is up for vote then it may aswell have the Millennium falcon with Han and chewie back in the cockpit one last time also but a seperate vote as it is not neccesary but you need to cut away to somthing as I said.

The last item I would like to add is C3PO's eye still hanging out on the top deck of the sail barge before he falls off the edge and now I think I am finally done.

Please do not put the panic in the x-wing up for vote as I now think this should be completly ditched and forgotton

All part of the experimentation anyway to get to some kind of outcome

You might actually be able to use some footage from gremlins or somthing and make R2 a killer lol

It could be hilarious or it could be taking things too far but R2 could cut leias chains with the chainsaw too

certainly a good you tube joke vid if it could be done

perhaps he needs to end up in the sarlac too lol he could fly out the window when R2 shocks him :)

Oh I forgot the slats close up when leia smashes the controls

R2 should get the mini chainsaw out on him then :)

lol I prefer salacious crumb to an ewok somehow I like the fact he clings to Jabba like this little parasite... I do like Henson stuff though so hands up on this

So thinking again about the Sarlac pit and it's beak or no beak dilemma I thought about the mechanisms involved in this strange creature that is almost like a underwater creature or venus fly trap but stuck in a hole in the desert. So would it make sense that the beak surfaces out of the throat only when the tentacles have prey to pull in otherwise a creature of this sort would not expell energy unneccesarily on no prey what so ever especially a sparse desert where normal prey would be limited it would feed by stealth awaiting things to come it's way and pulling them in. when the tentacle wraps on to somthing the beak extrudes or atleast that is my thoughts on a potential biological view of this creature

so where we as himans have a mouth that leads to a throat this craeture has a throat that leads to it's mouth...but the mouth only acts to pull you in to the throat and onto being digested it does not eat from the beak that only pulls things in....

thinking of C3PO losing an eye would it be good that he only has one eye for the remainder of the film might give him a bit more character lol or give him an eye patch evenl sorry I'm being silly nah chewie fixed him up

fishmanlee said:

Ronster said:

you suggested the street singer

That was Mr. Ender I believe.

whoops sorry then my bad

darth_ender said:

Oh, happy to comment on whatever you like.  The only difference I noticed about the sail barge was regarding the actions and death of Mr. Fett, which I already commented on.  Did I miss anything?  I'll again confess that I think you did a good job, and it showed me it can be done and I will be voting yes when presented with your idea.

As for the Lars homestead and surrounding material, I feel you did a good job.  It effectively told the story you wanted, and I thought visually it was very interesting.  But I personally find it a bit distracting from the main story, particularly the flashback stuff.  If we were to include a scene like this, I would suggest forgetting the Falcon once we're focused on Luke; we already know they leave Tatooine and jump to lightspeed.  I'd also probably just cut the flashbacks and the panic in the X-wing and simply have him watching the sunset near his home, the sand blows in, he heads to his X-wing, and we're off.  Especially with the choice of music, we know exactly what Luke is thinking in this moment, and flashbacks don't fit the Star Wars mold that well.  It's not my preferred storyline, but again, if we were to follow your line, I'd probably imply more than I'd show...more powerful and Star Warsy that way.

As always, my comments are meant to be constructive, and I must commend you.  You did good work, Ron.  You should consider investing in the software and taking some movie editing classes.  You've got the natural talent, and you clearly have the passion.

EDIT: in response to the sandworm question, what you'd probably have to do is show several worms throughout the desert, including somebody popping to the surface.  This would make it clearer that there are other creatures present.

These were also my thoughts on the matter also... I probaly over did it with the flashbacks and like you say it's un star wars like to do so it was a concern but I atleast tried a little montage so I think you may be correct in that I over complicated the idea when it's better to leave it up to the audience more

I'd really like to show Han and Chewie back in the cockpit of the falson one last time it completes the tatooine adventure a bit more conclusivley like things are back to normal if only for a momment

@fishmanlee I was working on the beggars canyon scene and you sent me a link to the Bobba Fett Holiday special cartoon which is what indirectly inspired the lines for the scene...

you suggested the street singer which is sort of arabic and bingowings suggested nore exotic arabesque dancing music so I ended up coming up with primitave tribal drums whist using the footage from Max Rebo for Rancors lair... I tried the street singer idea and it did not work because the Worrt Barks at C3PO and the Jawas are whispering and it conflicted with this in the scene so I kept it as the original

unless you know how to remove the music thats there and keep the sound effects which I have no idea how to do?

probably you need to remove everything and start from scratch rebuilding the sound from nothing which I did not have time to do...

Sorry but what do you think about after the sail barge and how they part ways and the Lars Homestead idea as this is totally new territory and was a bit unsure about how it played out myself... This was really difficult to try and do and make it plausible use the other link you can skip now....

your right about the sandworm that where is this hapenning? would it help to show a hairy bantha foot in the foreground perhaps to explain that is meant to be happening right next to the herd.

I tried to accomplish this with sound but it obviously did not work

darth_ender said:

So Rebel Assault II is obviously useless except maybe for some lifting of the audio.  Too bad, because there were some decent cockpit shots in there, if only the resolution weren't so very low.  But from what I've read, the pilots were green-screened in there, so it shows how effective the illusion can be if we have the right costumes.

I'm sorry about your troubles, Ronster, and I don't have an answer.  I'm letting it run through to where I left off, and I'll try to get it done and let you know my thoughts.

I fixed it now so please use this link instead for Part 3 I have deleted the other link this has exported correctly.

http://www.mediafire.com/?xnmjj1u8mn9ivqd

after finally watching the whole of my cut as a whole I had a couple more ideas... This conflicts with your script D but I would like to see C3PO with his eye hanging out on the top deck of the sail barge...

Also I was thinking about the briefing and should the plans depict an incomplete DSII or what it would look like completed as Plans would show it in complete form not half built or was it intended to look half built even though it was finished?

darth_ender said:

That would be great.  I was around 15 minutes into it, paused it to do some studying, came back to it, and it set it back to the beginning :(  But I promise I'll get to it, even if you aren't able to export it again.  It really is fun to see some of your ideas in motion, even if I don't see all of them as a perfect fit for our edit.  You have many interesting ideas.

I am really glad you said that because I had planned to do this post before but had no time....

What I have done is my take but not all my ideas so I wished to do some acknowledgements of how I came to what I have produced.

New Opening scene

Opening Crawl: Darth Ender

Home 1 opens as the first scene : Me

Boba Fett Delivers the plans : Who ever done the mock-up on youtube

Plans Sent via transmission : Bingowings

Bigger Opening : sorry but the name escapes me of the guy that done the previous mock-ups using star trek footage for bothans

Stronger tougher Vader: Mithrandir

Need main characters to make a scene plausible : Bingowings

Vader Lines Interactive Board Game : Darth Ender

Dagobah

Yoda Gives Luke the Crystal : Johannus

Wanted to do cuts from the script but ran out of time sorry D_E :(

Luke goes tatooine / Beggars Canyon

Changes to audio lines :Me

Beggars Canyon Sequence : Me

New audio Lines for Luke : Indirectly but Fishmanlee provided me with inspiration on this

Jabbas Palace

Observed cuts from the script but kept droid torture but cut the stupid tentacle grabbing C3PO: Darth Ender Script amongst others views

Re-Cut Lapti-Nek : Jaita amonst others versions to create this different take.

Drumming in the Rancors Lair: Me but inspired by Fishmanlee and Bingowings wanting more Tribal Arabic music but the street singer did not work :( (yes I tried to do this) so this is what I came up with as a substitute more primative rather than Exotic arabic

Cut Boush / Leia hitting the chimes in the arch while creeping about: Spence

Cutting Boba flirting : Many people agreed on this

Coruscant

revealing the Imperial Palace: Theodo amonst others really wanting to see Coruscant as was intended to be in ROTJ originally

The shot of the imperial Palace big nod to Ralph Mcquarrie : Angel came up with this idea

Executor picks up Emperor: Darth Ender (but I modified from the eclipse)

Sarlac Pitt

Added Music cues from Jerry goldsmith Planet of the apes: Me

Sandworms on Tatooine are normal food for the sarlac: myself but inspired by a youtube video wormsign on tatooine check it out it's quite funny.

Boba Fett Sequence : Kind of listening to everyone in dissaray about what to do about boba remove him keep him in etc so yeah I just wanted to chop his head off whilst giving the coolest star wars character a bigger part in ROTJ

Parting of ways / Lars Homestead

"I need to be alone for a while" : Darth Enders audio cue essentially was the seed to create the scene that I came up with at the Lars homestead instead of hear him say it show it...

Falcon deaparts into Hyperspace : Me and it fell into place naturally also It is a shame that we never saw Han and chewie in the falcon together again in ROTJ so I wanted to fix this one last time as we know them so well as the best of shipmates

Feeling more unsure about lukes psyche : Bingowings amonst others saying they wanted to feel more unsure about luke and I did my best with this when they part ways after the sailbarge is destroyed

So I hope this post helps people not think I am trying to push my ideas alone as many of them have been born from others ideas albeit I did it slightly differently I have been listening whilst trying to come up with this storyboard scripting suggestion very intently and am aiming to mesh alot of ideas together into a cohesive whole So when you say my ideas some of them in fact most of them are actually your ideas?!?

thanks for reading....

Will upload a fixed version of the part 3 in a bit

Edit: There is a problem with the file if anyone can offer up any suggestions would be helpfull it wont close the file off 99% and won't complete

emanswfan said:

Ron, that's looking great.  I can see how much work your putting into this.  The only thing that bothers me is the reusing of previous footage, but I guess there's no other way to do it.

I also share this concern about reusing footage but don't take my mock-ups as gospel only that I cannot do CGI and re-used footage as was my only resource available for getting the ideas out and visualised... I would prefer new shots where possible or make some new footage in some cases.... I don't want it to feel like an amalgamation of ANH and ESB with ROTJ.... Thanks for the feedback yes alot of work... But the first half really has bugged me and I saw no other way but to have to do this treatment to... believe I could execute the ideas that were coming to me and not just coming up with BS..

I put the footage that surrounds the mock-ups in for good reason so you would get the feel of the pacing and any issues arising from the extra scenes for example

It's one thing to have an idea completly different to execure it so if you like I have proved some potential....

@Darthender Sorry about the last clip I don't think it exported properly i.e. did not close the file off thats why you csnnot skip I will export it again and replace the link... And thanks for your feedback too!

Ok as promised the last clip of my work hope you enjoy what I have done....

Why did I do it?

Because I like the way that the structure is but don't want to see another spence edit with loads cut out or loads of stuff unexplained and the pacing being wrong also like where luke goes when they part ways etc so I promised I would do script and storyboarding for this project and that is what I have done...Weather you like it or feel you need to change it.. Shorten it... Expand it.. Ditch it... Build on it or smash it down is ultimatley not my decision

I would like to add though alot of credit does need to go to spence as he was the first to come up with this sort of structure for ROTJ... I am just trying to fix it up a bit and trying not to loose anything of the main characters whilst filling in plot gaps.

I've given it my best shot now it's up to you people who will ultimatly more talented than I with visuals / sound and editing to work the magic, either in this vein or another but my submission is here for reference what happens now I guess is up for final vote.

I wanted to exploit the possibilities of doing ROTJ this way.. And have gone as far as I could with Mine and others ideas or my take on others ideas.

I fell asleep after submitting the second clip I was exhausted racing against the clock to finish this so anyway here is the last part.

http://www.mediafire.com/?c38pn111b5gf1k3

Ok and another clip here

http://www.mediafire.com/?88rx3i8idls891g

Ok first clip is now up

http://www.mediafire.com/?tey93m2apt5nbdw

So what I learned while cutting the first half in relation to the script....

1.The cut to luke saying to yoda on Daogobah "I come back to complete my training" is easy enough just need to mute this line but put the music in from yoda theme.

2. Cutting Ben on Dagobah saying "You Must face Darth Vader again" is not good because there is nothing to cut away to as the previous line is on lukes face.

3, Cutting C3PO saying "look there is Han-Solo and he's still frozen in carbonite" is tricky but possible focus needs to be on R2 whilst adjusting the music cues.

Apart from that can't think of much else at the mo regarding parts of the script I tried to follow but decided to leave these cuts as was more work than I already had done.

D... I have the executor pick up palps and then join the fleet around DSII

99%

darth_ender said:

I'm thinking these sort of ideas to represent the TIE hangar, but aalenfae pointed out that it would much easier to show an inside-looking-out view.

Pic 2 and pic 5 look the nuts,,, This is basically what I want to see in atleast 1 star wars film.....  It would just be very cool to see... Hope it's this edit

Domoinc has a good head on his shoulders he seems to get to the point on things.... His opinion is well decided and unbiased and although he is not pushy he lays it out bare... @Domoniccobb you'll be pleased to know I did the Coruscant scene because you said you'd like to see somthing of this nature and emanswfan made me decide to go back to it and I sorted out my problems with the executor so hopefully it's up here tonight at 85% and converting... It looks better than anything else because it's the last thing I did and It's the best I had done compositing wise it actually quite good scene.

I have no problem with using the BD 2011 but will we be able to do everything else to match as D said it all needs to be decided when the deleted scenes are done by emaswfan what resolution is he getting a good picture from these scenes 720P or lower we could still downsize the 2011 BD anyway.,,, Also before filming anything too so alot rests on the final outcome of what resoliution the deleted scenes look best at. 

@Darth_Ender it's your fault I did the stuff with the executor... That was your inspiration on to me... Because I have the 3 star destroyers at the begining as in the original.

Damn it is taking as long as the edit (58mins) to do the conversion so it's gonna be late because I have to chop it up now and add some subs to the very begining.... Nothing happens too fast with this stuff but I will promise to get some of it up tonight even if it kills me

No offese D but I'm taking a break after this... I will eventually pull it all together into a complete rough cut...