Ronster

darth_ender said:

Watching Ronster's cut now, and I have to admit there are interesting ideas there.  While I personally want to keep the opening the way we already have it, I really like what Ron did with this one.  Very exciting, fast paced, and informative in that it tells us how the Rebels get the plans.  Again, not my preferred opening, but a well-thought alternative.

I'm at the Battle of Endor now, and I'm wondering where Ron got some of the Rebel commando footage!?  This sort of thing would truly be helpful and save us some work if we can find decent size quantities of it.  Ronster's shots were very brief, but potentially useful.  Hoping for more.  I'm going to keep watching.

yeah I kept that one quiet :) It is only a place holder but it is from Tydirium the fan film teaser these guys are from germany so perhaps they could help get some shots done as they did pretty good costumes for the rebel commandos.... Although this has been in production for years

Glad your doing it all in one hit! This is was what I was hoping people would do to get the bigger picture... The opening again is more or less a placeholder although a big one very hard to do that with what I was working with but seems so far you are enjoying it :) and that is what I wanted to achieve somthing people could enjoy as a whole idea and not just a bunch of ideas... The ending needs touching / tightening up like I said I ran out of energy but I hope it puts a smile onto your face :) either way.

I have you to thank D for the inspiration on adding Jejerrod but I did it totally different for some reason I keep standing up at the end of space battle and wanting to go wooohoo!

edit: ok I did stand up and go woohoo! but keep it quiet

it's a tricky one what ever the decision is you are screwed with anakin force ghost but the safest bet is to keep it as the person it was originally intended upon it's first release

I think D is right that you cannot have both young and old as you would essentially be pissing off both sides on this matter as opposed to trying to keep people happy it would have the reverse effect

I got rid of him alltogether which again could be construed as upsetting both sides but I hope that people will understand the reasons behind it.

fishmanlee said:

Here is a more ironed out version of my Rancor pit video: http://www.peeje.com/files/358910871/SWEP6_The_Rancor_RESCORED.wmv.html

It's a definate improvement on this rescore I think the beats at the end are grea which go with each cut after the gate slams downt shame it lacks the sound effects and cheering in the mix to really show what this would be like.

aalenfae said:

As long as people are posting cuts and such, I thought I'd post what I just finished last night - a mockup for Anakin's ghost appearing personally to Luke, and not with Obi-Wan and Yoda:
http://vimeo.com/36883170

Good work alanfae... It's well executed how you put the flames on Vaders mouth I really liked that touch... Although I think you put the wrong anakin in but you see for me that bloke from the PT is an imposter so I'd like to talk you into doing a sebastian shaw too but I don't expect you to. Thats what I don't like about the anakin force ghost as dominic previously stated in the thread before it's not even about who it is it becomes who it was / when and why it's been changed there is so much division over the matter....

but none the less great work the way the idea has been executed is great.

Anyone who is interested seeing the rough cut I made can contact me via PM and I will send you the links it contains many references to the script aswell as some of my own ideas.

I fixed it I am trying to get it uploaded now so should be good in 30 mins

Damn none of the subtitles came out

darth_ender said:

Yeah, I think every editor must say that.  Wow, Ron, you've really put a lot of work into this.  I'm sure it will be helpful.  I'll give people a few days to review it before putting up the vote.  Let me know if there are specific aspects you want me to put up, since I can't imagine voting on every little detail.

I can't think about the changes there are just too many to list It would take me a whole day to list them I think...like an essay... there are so many things moved cut and added This cut is for reference I did my best and I flaked out at the celebrations a bit... but the ideas and cuts are all there so It's worth a go but certainly needs more tightening at the very end and in places but I have to call it somewhere and this is it... I won't be doing another rough take or amending anything it's now over and complete for me on this rough storyboard take.

I cannot spend anymore time with this now but will partake in voting and stuff for sure.

I ripped out ROTJ's guts and handed it back in a bag :) I don't even know if the main idea works as well as I would like it to now but there is a better way to do the celebrations at the end for sure. It is very heavy editing cut but somehow not alot is lost.

I followed the script Very close in alot of things but deviated where I felt I wanted to go in a different direction

darth_ender said:

That's great, Ronster.  I'm really looking forward to seeing it.  Ronster, what timezone are you in?  I've been wondering when on earth you actually get any sleep.

GMT it's 7.15pm here and I've been going since 8.00am and I did from 6pm until 11:30pm last night I have alot of work on rest of this week and next so I had to get it done and now finally I can say I did it... Most involved project I think I have ever undertaken as a hobby project.

I don't know If I can even face watching it... I've had far too big a dose of Return of the jedi

ok I'm done and exporting it now yipeee I'm free The end is a bit shabby I ran out of steam but it is done finally

2hrs 20mins 36secs I reckon this could be trimmed back anyway

darth_ender said:

Hey Ron, I'm getting kind of anxious to move on with the vote.  After this vote is settled, I'm backing off for a while, and I really need to back off as soon as possible.  I hope you're okay if I put the vote up some time this week.  I know you've been working on your rough edit.  How much more time do you need?

Today.... Hopefully the next few hours I want to come away too from doing so much work but I also want to finish what I started over 2 months ago it's been an interesting journey that is for sure and the end is in sight...

Jaitea said:

Rough:

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yep that's certainly more along the right lines for palps... I think that looks wicked

I imagine david hasslehoff is under one of the imperial guards uniforms

So I have some good news I should have my complete storyboard rough cut done by tomorrow I did not touch some of the scenes I thought I would make cuts to but I did change some of jabbas dialogue could not resist it tbh anyway,,,

I am running at 2hrs 6.42 at present and growing at a guess I think it will be 2hrs15mins and thats without some of the proposed space battle stuff included All the cuts I planned I have now made so I only have to add from here. so I am hoping that it will balance at about the original running time of 134mins

nearly done and it's a relief I'll try to write a changelist but there is so much it's mind boggling at present

darth_ender said:

Ronster, while ben_danger uploaded those videos, he didn't create them...they were actually the work of a guy called SSWR I guess, who apparently had lots of great ideas, and then vanished, as did his videos over time.  I think they are "public domain" so to speak.

As for the shuttle, I honestly don't care if it changes or stays the same, but I do find some of the alternate ideas interesting.  I agree, bat wings may not be the way to go, but making it distinct and more powerful looking could go a long way--perhaps just arming it with some big guns or something.

I'd like it to be dark like the eclipse...

Sorry for my bad sketch it was not meant to look bat wing like spiked and concave definatly not bat wings

timdiggerm said:

Although that's true, remember that there's nothing particularly evil looking about Vader's TIE versus other TIEs. Heck, the features that made it so unique ended up getting mostly incorporated into the Bomber in the very next film. Vader's TIE looked more powerful than the other TIEs (although it didn't actually demonstrate that), which fits with Vader's character. He is powerful.

What is the distinctive essence of Palpatine? How can that be reflected in a ship while still keeping the aesthetics of the Empire? As much as I understand why bat-wings (well, that is what that looks like) make sense, they don't fit with everything else the Empire builds.

And there's nothing wrong with naked.

I'm sorry do you think it makes kind of sense or it's a bad call because I thought of it the other day whislt I don't want it to look like the batmobile of star wars like

more spiky

Vader had a unique shaped tie-fighter In ANH I think the emperor should have a unique shaped shuttle that suits him otherwise keep it normal IMO but thats just my thinking

or perhaps add the emblem as bingo wings suggested

I feel naked after doing that sketch in microsoft paint

Bingowings said:

I rather like the 'more red' version as it ties the shuttle colour to the Imperial Guard armour.

Here was my more space Nazi version :

Looks like starsky and hutch... Lol

I'm sorry but I'm not agreeing to this... Can't you make it look evil?

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You can laugh at mine now.. I mean change the shape of the wings

ben_danger said:

hey ronster. just finished watching your clips.

you have done really well considering the materials provided are really awful quality, and although there are alot of choices that have been made which i don't think work perfectly, you have really pulled something together that refreshes ROTJ!

where did you get the footage for the tatooine fly through? i am assuming some sort of nature documentary? it works awesomely!

Hi there... Thanks yes lots of footage from all over the place A combination of films and pics

1. Final approach - psycholical thriller first digital sound mix was what it was famous for. this a deleted title now

2.Imax Grand canyon - Hidden secrets documentry

3, Some stills various and bits and pieces from the trench run ANH composited

4.Audio files are from The Bobba fett holiday special cartoon

5. Phantom menace POD race far shots  and deleted scenes

It's only a storyboard rough mock-up I hope the it would not look like this if it were done as a final... I needed to get alot of ideas out quick rather thean spend ages on a particular sequence + I only began learning the CS5 suite on the trial whilst doing this stuff so the rough framework is there for the ideas they are far from perfect I agree it needs in alot of cases new footage or use 3DS max models but they are only ideas still

I'm a bit gutted that I did not do the shot of him flying towards tatooine as Is missing but hey time restraints my trial ran out and you get the idea

was watching your clips again last night and you have some good stuff there I plan to use your sequence to assemble into my final storyboard cut for the C3PO sequence story telling the ewoks so thought I had better ask your permission on this?

MrInsaneA said:

fishmanlee said:

here is a redder version

Couldn't just have a red stripe or something? This seems like too much.

I think it might look better black with red windows...

I thought about what the emperors shuttle might look like the other day and I thought about basically the same design as normal lamda shuttle but the tips of the wings reach a spike and the wings are concave and curves to the end to meet the apex point and it's like not white but dark like the eclipse.

Met my first hurdle so I need to find the original ROTJ bummer I only have the SE

The added scenes in the SE with Boba flirting with the dancer girls was just a cut away as you loose the footage that was originally there? need to check Harmys version to see what the score is here not on any change lists so I guess thats the answer perhaps cannot remember off the top of my head.

fishmanlee said:

here is a redder version

lol

fishmanlee said:

Here is my clip:

http://youtu.be/bOezx31N3Ms

Like the way it starts but then it loses it a bit and then redeems itself when luke is the other side of the door...

Who is it? Jerry Goldsmith? What film?

Another soundtrack I started thinking of that might be usefull is salute of the Jugger (Blood of Hereos) theres some good drums and arabic type sounds in this too might find a use for somthing in that soundtrack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKdxW9UCcvQ&feature=related

fishmanlee said:

Rancor lair is what I am working on right now! :)

well check it I smashed it out over oola and chopped it short for luke to let JW in :)

The idea was it was like rining the dinner bell because they must let him out to stretch his legs so it's the signal that dinner is served. :)

fishmanlee said:

I have an idea I am working on, that I think you guys will like, It was inspired by Ronster mentioning Jerry Goldsmith.

Check Part 3 a few pages back of my structure mock-up I included the Jerry Cues to the Sarlac pitt totally unsubtle and then altogether subtle amongst a few others would be good if you could improve upon what I did as your better than me at that sort of thing...

I could do with the lars homestead / Binary sunset re-scoring without the flashbacks if you want to get your teeth into that? as I should not have done the flashbacks got drawn into that black hole again

Drumming to Rancors lair in pt2 also might interest you?

fishmanlee said:

I have an idea I am working on, that I think you guys will like.

finish the sentance pls :)

fishmanlee said:

Ronster said:

my cut already is at 2hrs+ and I have not even finished it yet lol :(

I can actually see why they end up shorter now I'm doing one

Did you see my post about ATS?

You could be right and I may change this and reprise luke and leia theme again so I listened to it earlier and it is too slow so forget that I'm already changing my mind on this

besides you know I won't let you down that bad! :)

my cut already is at 2hrs+ and I have not even finished it yet lol :(

I can actually see why they end up shorter now I'm doing one.. Still the same storyboard rough cut footage as before too thers just so much to take into account