Ronster

Sorry for double posting but I have to say If it could be done but It would probably be perhaps extremely difficult.

The Prequel trilogy done in a 70's sci-fi movie style. Not only would it grant a lot of artistic licence in terms of design but it could borrow a lot from this era.

Droid Cameo's for instance from silent running and the Black hole and it was when I thought of the black hole I realised something.

Should battle droids look like this?

This is one scary droid and somehow I think it would be a perfect replacement for the battle droids. The destroyers are ok but they could be easily made to resemble this a little more and atleast they are intimidating

You can see him in action here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pOiyD4h6E

Not totally saying that it should be this but at least it is intimidating and perhaps a good design to start or modify or even just copy it and put it in there I'd still be a lot happier with this than the current battledroids

also thinking with a mentality of how would people go about creating something in the 70's to achieve a warrior droid rather than all the special effects we have today... Not many moving parts but it's rigidity is not only a bonus in terms of ease of implementation but it is also a lot more intimidating that it hovers about and can rise over you and has spinning metal blade hands for close combat and perhaps mounted lasers.

It serves it's purpose and has less moving parts that could get broken at joints during battle

So in my book this design or similar is a plus on many counts

Although I have read the plan for PT:R it does not essentially say what it is setting out to acheive.

I think if some kind of mission statement was offered up It would help people put better ideas in the melting pot when we know what it's goal is.

You only need to look at one page on this star wars fan edits forum to see how so many different people interpret star wars.

These are the immediate things that spring to mind when I hear PT:R and wonder what it actually is.

1. Is it going to be made to feel like it was made before episode IV or atleast the same in terms of looks or even older and more retro 70's

2. We know that it is going to set about fixing plot points and keeping continuity with the plot but in terms of extra characters are we going to have main character that "breaks the rules" basically a replacement Han Solo character because the PT really needed a character that was not straight laced and goody two shoes... That was not afraid to scream at people to get the job at hand done... Love able rogue type

3. Is using footage from "other" sources an option especially for the likes of the characters in the Trilogy or in others or anything else that might work

4. John Williams score is great but in terms of music will there be any musical numbers this again is something that was absent from the PT people can dig around or even compose for stuff that fits

The reason I ask is because It is such a huge undertaking I am sure people would want to at least if they put ideas over be on the right track

TPM was very much the ugly duckling of the PT and just like the ugly duckling by the end of he film it was the closest to the OT for a small while in parts (like becoming the beautiful swan).

It's hard to know how the cloning plot will be the "missing link" between TPM and ATOC... But it does essentially need a plot device that is relevant or a theme to carry over to the next episode.

I wondered if there were any plans to age obi-wan and give him a cgi beard so this would make all footage from other episodes available but then again that is plots from another episode... He atleast played his part fairly well in ATOC and ROTS but young Obi-wan was not so good... Perhaps that was intentional though as he was still padywan learner.

Some Rob-Roy footage could be used for liam neesom perhaps. But again it's perhaps a stretch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0-2kzujLA8

I don't know how possible integrating footage from other films in terms of plot and characters or just elements of footage are but using footage from battle beyond the stars or other space fantasy films with model work I would welcome that over cgi.

I think the model work from battle beyond the stars has been used in about 3 films already

As far as gunguns go I don't know if this is possible but they could do with a complete re-design a mixture of Abe-sapien the creature from the black lagoon and swamp thing would be how I would imagine aquatic creatures in a star wars universe not what we got in TPM

Does anyone here think Darth Plaguies had a hand in the Immaculate conception of Anakin?

nightstalkerpoet said:

Trying to wrap my head around the cloning idea. Can honestly say, I did not see that coming at all.

Technically, cloning is "the ability to create life". Perhaps this could be what Palpatine tells Anakin in RotS, in a way that manipulate him without ever truly lying. And if, as many believe, Anakin is the product of "creating life" then perhaps Anakin is actually a clone of Palpatine...

Finding some old footage of McDiarmid, and implementing it as the Ghost of Anakin would tie that up rather nicely in Jedi ;)

That is an extremely interesting take on the cloning idea...

Jango wanted an unaltered clone for a son.

Palpatine obviously refers to his mentor that he kills in his sleep that "had the ability to create life.."

Anakin has no father yet why would he be inseminated in to his mother in for conception and not produced in a factory like Boba?

What is so special about his mother? or different about his mother that made her chosen as a host as opposed to a factory?

Or there does not need to be anything special about his mother only that she was implanted with a type of weird force power sperm from Palps mentor (Darth Plaguies) before palps murdered him as a way to avert his total destruction and carry on his life as he may of sensed palpatine wanted to kill him.

The Irony of this is, that Anakin joined the dark side to get the ability to stop people from dying when it was inherrent in him if this was a possible plot but would need to relearn the skill and palps was never taught or powerful enough to do this.

I think if this was to be a plot point for revisited the ultimate revelation of this would be better that luke dies and is brought back to life in ROTJ in the throne room after Vader throws Sideous down to his death.

Quoting again "He could save others but he could not save himself"

It would certainly be a way to go out making any PT story more valid and it is such a small thing to show Luke dead and Vaders Hand Glowing or something before Luke comes over to comfort him.

Very simple effects and will totally blow people way out there and give a whole different meaning to who Vader actually was. But I could also somehow imagine breaking down in tears over that especially if it was done in the right way with proper music.

Luke also acting like he is trying to save Vader when he has no knowledge that he was dead a few moments ago.

I think if there were to be any changes to the OT for story in the PT this should be the only one that would be remotely acceptable in terms of connecting the dots and the huge emotional pay off involved.

Not only this but if you take force ghosts being a power available to the good side of the force of prolonging existance, the dark art of the force the power would be practiced within the normal universe an not an etherial plane. This gives Balance and shows the Good side as ether oriented and the darkside as Physically manifested

So to connect the dots further this would also call for removal of Anakin's ghost entire with Ben and Yoda and Vader's redemption would be different and show the power of the dark side in a different form as the force ghost is a contradiction of Vader's abilities and what the practice of a totally powerful dark side master can achieve.

It is Radical Idea but it's rock solid and unwavering 

adywan said:

The thing with the prequels is that they really don't have a theme throughout the three films to interconnect them. TPM could easily be deleted and it wouldn't really matter. It does nothing apart from introduce characters. Jar Jars character went nowhere, yet suddenly he is instrumental in voting for the army. We get the clones in ep2 and 3 but nothing to connect them in 1.

So how about a change of plot which will interconnect the three films.? I'm going to give a little snippet of what i have planned.....

Screw the damn trade blockade. It's pointless and boring. It needs some other reason for happening, also with the invasion. So what if the Gungans are actually clones who hold the secret to successful cloning and the trade federation want to get their hands on it (profit/palpatines plans?)? The previous queen made a deal with the trade federation under the guidance of palpatine, to force the gungans to give up the secret. But Padme was made queen and reneged on the deal. Jar Jar could have been  willing to hand over the technology but was caught, thus banished. It gives a reason for the invasion instead of being about trade routes. It also helps TPM connect with the next film. But it also gives Jar Jar a different character arc and a sort of redemption scenario when he fights along side his race to defeat the trade federation. 

 

But that's all for now ;)

I think that what is the real shame here is that TPM was really the most horrible of the PT for the reasons you described there is nothing that connects them to the other 2 films and this is a stand alone episode if you like.

When it comes to fan edits my perception of Revisited Team is a group of talented people that overhaul a film make it look, sound and work better and feel better.

I think that although this is the best idea I have heard for the TPM so far that the Gunguns are cloners.. It's still a bit weak and it's not revisited teams fault because of the base material of TPM is an abomination in cinema.

So without sounding bad or at least I don't want to sound rude it really comes down to a bit of a conflict between trying to re-work a trilogy sticking to an episodic format or present a smaller installment and it be perhaps a stronger offering across 1 or 2 films.

There is some good stuff in TPM but it is sparse and separated and dis-jointed could be very easily kick ATOC film off and flash back to Anakin on tattooine for any relationship with mother.

My main concern is TPM:R will be a diluted Revisited I'd rather see it Cut and be given a stronger offering telling Anakins story as the main story across 1 or 2 films....

I don't really care for episode numbers, but I do want to see a better Prequel story Revisited especially for the ROTS ideas and if that means the TPM got by and large cut and slightly amalgamated I would be a lot happier that you cut your workload down and did not tinker with a plot that was ok in ATOC and focused on the meat and potatoes of the PT alongside ROTJ:R and ANH:R.

Although I admire the ambition of the revisited project... TPM is beyond salvage whilst the last 2 have a good chance of being great revisited project. 

The original tag-line of Revisited was "what the special editions should have been"

so now for the PT it's a different beast entirely and you are painting it with the same brush and Ideals of the Revisited project for the OT which is where the conflict is as these are 3 of the best movies ever made.

so your Tag line for PT:R should be "What the prequel trilogy should have been" and that = 1 or 2 films at the most

Basically The PT:R needs to be tackled in a totally different way and not treated the same as the OT:R beacause of TPM it makes it impossible

Bingowings said:

This is why I suggested having Tatooine invaded by the Federation (and Geonosis recoloured to be Tatooine) so in Episode 2 Anakin does come back and free the slaves even if his mother does die. 

I really hope the team can bring me primarily the OT revisited because everything I seen so far looks brilliant.

And I love ANH:R and I am sure I am gonna love ESB:R and they will both be replacements or other options for what we have now.

But when it comes to the PT:R I have changed my mind that I am now a bit excited for it... But there still hangs in there this notion in my brain that the team will be working on this stuff alongside ROTJ:R. and ANH:HD

I understand the Logic and reasoning behind it that extra filming and characters for continuity.

But there also hangs in my mind the thought that even if the footage is there to complete ROTJ revisited and PT:R that by the time ROTJ:R installment is available that we will have Super Hi-Def at 4k and then it will change the dynamic again and the footage won't be good enough.

Technology moves so fast and without prejudice.

I want the OT:R and if I get a very well put together PT film clocking in at about 2hrs 45mins Happy days. Even if it has a caption saying 10 years later or what ever No big deal.

The big problem is it is a project with an estimated time of arrival of 2026 completion which is really unrealistic even if you film it all now it will be obsolete by the time it gets finished.

2 films and a redux of ANH:R perhaps it could be done in 7 years... perhaps

AntcuFaalb said:

There seems to be some debate over how much of the PT is salvageable.

Here's an idea: Change Episode IV to Episode I, Episode V to Episode II, and Episode VI to Episode III.

Then, make an Episode IV that uses the best footage from the PT as a flashback.

You can start this new "Episode IV" with Luke and Obi-wan in Obi-wan's home on Tatooine and start the first flashback sequence just after "...and he was a good friend."

Scenes from the OT can drive what's shown. For instance, a flashback sequence to the birth of Luke and Leia can be shown after showing the clip of Leia claiming that she can remember her mother in ROTJ.

There's a lot of wiggle-room with this idea since it gives Adywan the ability to pick-and-choose what's best to show from the PT, as he'd be cutting 6+ hours down to 2.

Plus, it'd be great for us OT fans since scenes from the OT would be used to drive the story.

What do ya'll think?

Good Idea, but revisited team want to do 4 more films and remake a film ANH:R in HD....

Adywan obviously really wants to do the Prequel Trilogy Justice and make it better and as he quoted unrecognizable.

But I actually don't want him to spend years and years working on something other than the OT... 

But in the same hand after looking at ATOC and ROTS when you cut the crap out they can be one film and if you simply stick the duel of qui-gon + obi-wan and Darth Maul you have the whole plot really.

Any scenes from tattooine in TPM can be told in flashback that are a little heartwarming or nice to show anakins mother etc. But it's still not neccasary.. Because she had so little screen time nobody cared anyway.

There is a shot where qui-gon puts his hand on Anakins mothers shoulder and says we will come back to free you... and Anakin exclaims before he leaves tattooine I will come back to free you.

Next thing you know Anakin is there while she dies and it was 10 years ago. Makes no sense.

What a bunch of crap

regularjoe said:

Darth Maul is just a hulked out...thing.....with a double ended light saber to make the fanboys go nuts.  Nothing about E1 is redeemable for the larger picture fanedit.

 

The Empire as seen in 4-6 is xenophobic and while they outsource to bounty hunters in V it is otherwise white human and male.  I find Maul to not fit into this even if in terms of TPM we are talking proto-Empire.  Maul is ultimately a dumb villian that serves as a lackey for the proto-Emperor who, like Fett in V/VI is dispatched too easily and quickly.

 

Dooku falls to a similar fate.  There is ample opportunity here to have a Lando-esque character whose allegiance is ambiguous and the opportunity is squandered.  Maul should have never been there, imagine E1 if Dooku was the agent of Palpatine and didn't die at the end and was ported into E2 as something more than a weak plot device.

I personally think still that a one film prequel would do the OT justice... But I like the Duel at the end of TPM and I think it was one of the very few things that were done on the most part right.

But you are right about dooku being morally ambiguous is a good thing... Essentially Maul is Maul and he kills qui gon which is by and large the only relevant plot point in the whole film which leads to Obi-wan having to train Anakin as a dying request the rest is filler.

Darth Maul was associated with the only half dramatic moment in the film so fair play to him

obikal said:

Just curious - what do you guys like about Darth Maul?  I know a lot of people like him, and say he's the best thing in Ep 1, so I'm curious what it is about him that people like.

 

(and I know, being the best thing in Ep 1 might not mean much...)

I think The best thing about Darth Maul as it was our first look at something different...

There was no Vader and Vader had huge intuition with the force...

Darth Maul although he had force powers was a lesser being than Vader who very much relied on a combination of technology and skill and force powers.. And he looked quite scary and he had a double light sabre staff.

He had a bit of uniqueness design quality about him and he was portrayed very much like a henchman tracker and hunter.

Darth Maul was like the Boba Fett of the PT but not only this he was a very talented Martial artist and athlete and he played the part well to boot amongst a lot of drab crap he was something that stood out as ok well that was good.

Adywan should hire him to do more on TPM he lives in the UK or is from the UK, I reckon he would be up for it personally. He seemed like a good bloke

Bingowings said:

It might be fun to start of TPM with the Queen's chrome ship but then have them trade it with a beat up looking 'unique fixer upper opportunity' on Tatooine (they gamble for kid Skywalker not the parts, they simply trade the broken fancy ship for a functioning rustbucket to dodge Darth Darth).

Which over two films is added to until...

 

Not Bad Bingo,

But the real problem at least with TPM is that there is a lot of things that look horrible now let alone in 10 years time, Bad Cgi and it is so heavily integrated into this film on most very important scenes more than AOTC and ROTS.

After stripping this film out of stuff I hated about it I was left with about 30 minutes of what I liked

The Good

Darth Maul

Naboo Space and Naboo Culture / architecture

Coruscant

The Bad

Underwater city Naboo

Tattooine and the Pod Race

Anakin

The Ugly

C3-PO & Yoda

Jar-Jar and Gungans

Battledroids.

Questions

Are The revisited team going to re-film another Anakin for this or what?

Design create new battle droids?

Get rid of the Gungans?

Is the Pod Race Staying?

Yoda getting cut? I guess C3-PO will be out...

Going Back to the PT again... Sorry I am off work and been fiddling about with the footage and heres what I have as a few requests or suggestions.

ROTS:R

1.When you remove a lot of the lame jokes and crap cgi or stupid stuff from them... They stand up a lot better as films not only this but miraculously the acting appears to improve a bit too.

2. I hope that in ROTS:R Anakin has the premonition of Padmes death and never tells her directly "she dies in child birth" and Padme in that scene later goes on to dismiss the premonition as "it's only a dream"

Remember No mention from Anakin of death in child birth the first time we hear it is from palps... Gives it a big impact. And actually makes for some really good drama that one.

3. Not sure How adywan is thinking of approaching Yoda and Ben getting to the jedi temple, but I would love to see Ben do the force trick he does in A new hope where he distracts the storm troopers from the tractor beam and sneaks in. New footage, Hooded Jedi Robe yeah would be nice. There is a good close up of Obi-wan fighting though the rest is awful.

4. Cutting a lot of the over the top acrobatics tends to make the fights more realistic and more dramatic... The Obi-wan duel with anakin on the Lava flow... I hope in ROTS:R that Anakin will drop down onto the same raft as Obiwan and they will fight and talk there until Obi-wan jumps off and you then are at "It's over, I have the high ground" Removing the mirrored force push is also a massive improvement

5.Sideous really becomes more sinister if you cut his stupid twisty flips when using a light sabre Also drastically cutting back on Yoda too and the duel removing the "stupid acrobatic stuff" more dialogue and force powers will work to make this better assuming this duel makes it in ROTS:R

But I am now looking forward to a PT:R which I did not before I have done a few exercises to look at it now with fresh perspective.

But as far as episode 1 TPM I really have no ideas for this one, I am stumped... Totally stumped on this I think it will be the hardest to get right for PT:R

AntcuFaalb said:

muddyknees2000 said:

AntcuFaalb said:

How do you feel about Yub Nub?

I think that in a film full of soaring, fantastical and moving pieces of music, that tell as much of a story as the action on the screen does.....Yub Flub is a substantial failure. Again, instead of telling of a slightly tragic victory, where Luke met, and ultimately killed his own father....instead of strains of hopeful dreams for the new galaxy and the growing relationship between Han & Leia.......instead of new beginnings for a once shady, but now much celebrated hero, Lando Calrissian.....we get teddy bears singing a nonsensical little party song.

The song isn't the only thing to blame......I think the ending could have been more bittersweet, and more interesting than the group photo pose that we did get......but the music definitely doesn't help what is already a rather silly film.

This is why we view the films differently...

While I admit that Star Wars fits the literary archetype of the epic journey (a.k.a., the hero's journey), I fail to see its value as anything more than a three-part morality tale with great characters, creatures, and Jim Henson Muppet-monsters. What I'm trying to say is that I, personally, take more away from the Jabba the Hutt scenes at the beginning of ROTJ -- filled with the laughter of Salacious B. Crumb -- than I do from watching Darth Vader's internal struggle when deciding whether or not to save his son from the hands of the emperor.

Don't get me wrong: I certainly enjoy the more serious aspects of the films, but what I most look forward to is Lapti Nek in ROTJ, not the Battle of Hoth in TESB.

I understand how you view the films and see why Yub Nub doesn't meet your expectations. Considering my POV, do you see why it exceeds mine?

I Like Lapti Nek... Adywan said he is removing Jedi Rocks which I am happy about but he has not said that he will be re-instating Lapti-nek.

But if this was a Lapti-nek Vs Yub-nub competition

Lapti-nek wins 

And if it were a Lapti-nek Vs Jedi Rocks

Lapti-nek Wins

At least for me...

Although he has not stated he will re-incorporate Lapti-nek I am hoping he will... But I hope we get something different at the end from both Yub Nub and the ewok song

perhaps Alberto balsalm by Aphex twin might work in a weird and wonderful way to upstage both of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XlTjeNHv-8

I like the Lambda shuttle flying shot in ESB because it shows the characters like pieces on a chess board moving to different locations... But the docking Bay and Vader walking off which is actually on the deathstar needs to get destroyed never to return as does walking out to the shuttle on landing platform on bespin. But if it goes then it goes but I'd like the Lambda flying towards the executor retained if possible.

The way I am currently seeing the ship leave from geonosis is Grevious gets on that ship and dooku gets killed and does not make it. The ship only flys away and does not go to coruscant and we don't see grevious again only hear that he is dead by the hands of obi-wan.

Palpatine held hostage on geonosis also? If it's possible I would say yes the too duels need to be joined into one duel. with no dialogue from palps about leaving obi-wan behind.  But I am not 100% for that idea and not sure It might be better to just have Dooku killed and Grievous escape.

We don't need to see grievous get killed, He is better left more to the imagination I think

This would eradicate the whole stupid action section of ROTS which is a train wreck.

I think Adywans Idea of Darth Vader (in suit) going to the Jedi Temple is the idea that would make ROTS truly amazing if it could be pulled off but re-arranging the plot will be difficult... He must have a draft sub-plot or something to allow this to happen that will need filming... I doubt he would confirm that idea without knowing it is do able

You can make ewoks less silly but you just have to accept them for what they are.....

they are nowhere near as bad looking or as bad sounding as Jar Jar or grievous. But the seeds were planted here with the ewoks

As far as the lightning force powers go... I never actually thought of it like that before... It first showed up in ROTJ but I don'y mind it being there earlier in revisited I think it would be really hard to get rid of... I can live with that

obikal said:

I'm not a fan of Palpatine being able to cloud all of the Jedi's vision completely like he does.  I'm ok with him masterminding the War to get him more power.  That's fine.  Even better if the Jedi sense it, and suspect the Chancellor.  Otherwise, what about Yoda telling Luke that the Dark side isn't stronger?  AND being emphatic about it?  If the Emperor is powerful enough to cloud all of the Jedi Council's vision... maybe the Dark side IS stronger...  Maybe Yoda was so emphatic because he's embarrassed that the Dark side is stronger and doesn't want to admit it...

Along that point, IF Yoda and Palpatine go head to head in a duel (which I'm honestly ok with), I don't think they should be even close to evenly matched.  I want Yoda to thrash the Emperor, but quit the fight because innocent lives are in danger or something like that.  Make it so that Yoda "fails" because he is protecting lives, not because he's weaker. 

The Battle between yoda and the emperor is fine with force powers and lightning from sideous but I don't like acrobatic yoda....

Good call on trying to save others though if the actual senate Auditorium had people in it that were falling to their deaths or getting killed that would perhaps be enough for yoda to call it a day.

Obviously the Jedi would be blamed for the deaths as a retaliation on the republic

ben_danger said:

Can you imagine the tension if the car chase was flipped? So they were rushing to save padme?

Pretty Good call... 

Not trying to dampen your idea it is a good one :)

The conversation probably is not needed outside the room... But the only potential problem I see with it is that they are assigned to protect her so why are they rushing to get there in a car, like they have been off doing something they should not have?

But it certainly might work, not saying it won't

I agree with you nightstalkerpoet that looking over the films and analysis of the PT can start to get you excited for PT:R I also think it is needed right now perhaps to spur some more interest in what people might notice or just kick some ideas about.

It's good to thrash these films out a bit

I am trying to get some creative juices flowing on this thread and actually the main purpose for me at least for a while as my work is quiet is to realize the Prequel Trilogy "OTified"

Not a real word but I like "OTified" to describe what can be done to make the PT feel more like the OT.

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I wanted to add to this post but would it not be better for the whole PT if we never saw the Emperor until ROTS and only Palpatine as it is pretty obvious who he is.. It does not take sherlock holmes to figure out....

Like not see Sidious until Mace Windu threatens to kill him.

I doubt it's possible or atleast removal of all hologram communication and have only radio messages would help that to work making him more conspicuous with only senator / chancellor palpatine getting screen time until the end.

Probably already suggested anyway I thought I would put it forward

I think the assassination attempt is a good scene, the aftermath is where it falls over.... it's the horribly executed sky car chase that ruins any tension or fear of Padme getting killed it's supposed to be a serious moment and it turns into a circus act.

If the droid gets destroyed by sniper fire or even remote detonation and... Obiwan could dive out the way (flipped away from the window or down to ground) of the blast or sniper fire... The actual chase can play out on foot without all the stupid sky diving and lame jokes... Anakin makes a run out of the door we cut to him pursuing the bounty hunter on foot from the start.

This would really up the tension with obi-wan catching up with him at the club and telling him he forgot his light sabre.. etc.

It's all the stupid crap antics that stop the PT being remotely plausible and a switch off and I quote again losing the immersion.

It's like Bladerunner on amphetiines the sky car chase and I have to say I despise it.

Coruscant should degrade over the course of the films agreed

and good call on the order of scenes I like the deleted scene too of the senate and use of deleted scene to identify dart is a much better way to go than dex... Just cut out Jar-Jar looking crap as usual out of senate scene

timdiggerm said:

How is discussion of Ronster's edit part of the Revisited thread?  

sorry I won't cloud the thread with all my ideas but I made the main points I wanted to make about the PT...and they were suggestions for revisited

I have been playing with footage "for ideas" and don't make suggestions unless they are possible it is my method to avoid pie in the sky or elaborate ideas without seeing "opportunity" in footage.

The points are aimed as Ideas for revisited... but goes in hand with messing about and analysis

muddyknees2000 said:

Apart from validating the "high ground" issue, I don't see how any of that fixes anything.....the action set pieces are not the problem really. A few lightsaber battles could be cut down in length.....but the real problems lay elsewhere.

Agreed, just fiddling about as an exercise.... But the action pieces are a major problem, most action scenes have stupid stuff in it like a cartoon that is a massive problem and Film breaker.

Some of the talk get's pretty boring in it and does not go anywhere, and they then re-iterate what they just said in the last scene in the next.

Some of the dialogue is very badly written... What I am doing is slightly making it better.... But I am only editing fast and in rough to flesh out my ideas.... And to see what is there.

The Lars Homestead is probably the worst scene there is so far In AOTC as C3-PO not only just being there but the lines are terrible and completely ruin any sadness or wonderment or, well any mood what so ever. But it's a totally needed scene so you can not just eliminate it.

I have not figured that bit out yet but I am making progress, in making it feel like it is more real.

That is the trick to the prequels... It don't feel real.... Instead of sucking you in it spits you out of any immersion in the movie at regular intervals unlike the OT... It is that immersion level that is missing for the most part 

muddyknees2000 said:

No, he wants to do the full 6 film saga.....and honestly if he manages to make them watchable/enjoyable it'll mean a whole lot more fun than just one solitary film would.

I am playing about with it now... And searching for it.....The Holy Grail of making the PT really feel like the OT

Heres a couple of things.... Thoughts and ideas

Count Dooku has to die on geonosis in my opinion... Which means taking the duel out of ROTS with Anakin and Dooku (last moments only) and compositing some of that fight in the room on geonosis also meaning Yoda does not fight Dooku the deathstar plans get cut too and Anakin never looses his arm.

This also means he does not need to loose the arm because he is going to die (Anakin) at Lava slope on Mustafa

Also so far as the Darth Maul battle goes, I would also suggest when obi-wan falls to the lower level he uses a grappling hook footage from ROTS to get to the higher level where qui-gon fights Maul.... Obi-wan also slices Darth Maul in Half straight after he breaks Mauls part of his light sabre. Meaning he never falls down the hole and does the stupid acrobatic flip cheap trick and defeats him like a bad ass and not stupidly.

It also makes the statement "Don't try it, I have the High Ground" Valid in ROTS and not a complete contradiction

Huge Darth Maul Backflip and Jedi Jumping to follow also cut... Not so sure of what I am doing yet but it is slowly falling in to place in chunks

I have not got to the plot yet but I will post some findings later

Looking at the chase sequence from AOTC (Chasing the assassin) It might be good to use the sniper footage to destroy the droid so Obiwan never leaps through the window... This presents problems of it's own as a double of Obi-wan would need to be filmed getting to the sky car with Anakin... But the Over The Top rubbish needs to go somehow... This is best I can think of for now.

yeah I guess you have a point... But whats Ady planning to do to make Obi-wan appear more reckless use footage from trainspotting?

only joking but yeah I totally get you, the set up is all wrong how to even begin fixing is perhaps futile and salvage what can be salvaged.

The films are pretty bad and to think I actually liked some bits while other bits are like complete rejects and non memorable or memorable in a bad way.

I am still of the opinion that there is a good film in there but not in 3 installments and certainly this is my main concern for PT:R.

The Base material and what is possible vs what is not in the confines of the actors and the story that is already there.

I guess I am just wishfully thinking that the PT:R will be condensed into 1 film leaving only 3 films on Ady and the teams plate after ESB is done.

I have a bad feeling about the PT:R

muddyknees2000 said:

They will NEVER be as good as the OT.......not with the crap that Ady has to work with as his base ingredient.....but they CAN be made into decent films. They'll never be as character driven as the OT....they're always going to be more like documentaries about what happened to Anakin Skywalker.....simply because of the material that George shot (or didn't shoot) and the way he chose to tell his story. But they CAN be made to be entertaining. MUCH more so than they are now.

And Ady has said that his versions are going to come in much shorter than their current running times.....which makes sense what with all the crap that has to be cut out.

You hit the nail on the head there...

Character driven story... Thats what I mean by 3 films in to 1 film

A character driven story only... Sci-fi nonsense out the window a few light sabre duels and that about wraps it up... Lucas did not need to tell this story across 3 films it's only because of the gap between the ROTJ and TPM that it implied and it was an obliged money spinner to do another trilogy.

And by the end of this he got the message about what people actually wanted.

The 3rd film was the real film by the second half and the other 2 were mostly filler

Jar Jar looks terrible even if you dub him over....I don't know what could be done to improve his appearance either....

It's not like I am not trying to think creative, I get it... But I am like also how can it be made to feel like the OT with the presence of Jar Jar even if he is dubbed... Or Grievous or Battledroids

This is where it all seems such a tremendous idea but in execution I want to believe it can happen but feel like it's impossible unless 3 films become 1.

Ruthlessly Cut to shreds deconstructed and then pieced together carefully to tell a story but not so much of an action story sci-fi but what character performances there are just piece them together keeping it not so lightsabre duel centric.

The only possible space battle is above Naboo without Anakin as pilot

That is a far cry from what the original trilogy was but it is the only way the rest has to be very much about politics and characters and there motivations Padme and Anakins relationship and Obiwan trying to find out what is going on as a focus and not about science fiction or fantasy at it's center.

Removing the stupid acrobatic jumping antics and bringing it down to earth if you like...Grounded in physics that are familiar to us across all aspects.

The plot should be center stage and the light sabre duels that do occur need to be toned down heavily and not be a main motivation.

It sounds like a boring star wars film I am talking about but with what there is I can not believe what ever is done to the PT will ever resemble the OT and certainly not 3 films running at 270mins

It needs to feel more boring less stupid and be completley geared towards the plot and run at about 90 - 120 mins

I watched the prequel trilogy yesterday and I have to admit I don't really care for the films much... I want to like them I really try to like them and take snippets of them as yeah ok it's star wars.

But truth is they are beyond redemption.....

Adywan has great skills with his editing and visual enhancements he is doing to the OT but I have to admit that the PT has the following issues and can not be fixed in after effects.

1. Bad Acting

2. Poor character development

3. Don't like a lot of the characters most could be thrown away

4. Rubbish Plot

5. Who gives a s**t

6. Too much CGI Animation does not feel real

Now this post is not intended to offend people who love everything star wars but how on earth could the prequel trilogy be bought up to the same standards as the original trilogy?

It actually troubles me that Adywan will devote years to trying to get the PT to a better place, and it seems impossible....

I think it would be better choice to make the PT as one film using flash backs to tattooine for Anakins history / back story with Padme

It should start at the end of TPM use parts of AOTOC but mainly Be material from ROTS

Grievous should be cut out totally.... Christopher lee can die on Geonosis meaning the space battle also get's cut because it is awful

The Arena Battle should be Cut on Geonosis. As should the invasion of Naboo and the gungans

Actually most of the action needs to get cut out in my opinion as the over the top action really ruins it and what essentially separates it from the OT.

Darth Maul and the count should stay as action pieces but no Yoda vs the count or the emperor. The sand people slaughter + Jango Fett on Camino and chase to geonosis should stay...

Jah Jah needs to be removed so that he never exists

And battle droids also need to be replaced with something else they are just terrible...

Even if all that could be made to flow seamlessly as one movie It still won't solve the bad acting and wooden performances....

I want to believe that it can be improved, but I doubt what ever get's done to any of them I will ever like them as much as the OT.