Ronster

SilverKey said:

This might not be the thread, nor forum, for it, but I wanted to address these two points, Ronster:

 

1. It was mostly filmed on blue or green screens which did not help the acting as there were very few physical sets

2. different techniques were used to create the sound digitally and not in analogue

Point one is a common misconception. Yes, a lot of blue screen was involved in the making of the prequels, but there were way more sets than people would like to think. In AOTC and ROTS, Padme's apartment, Padme's veranda, Palpatine's office, Padme's different places on Naboo, Jango's apartment, the Geonosian hangar, the Invisible Hand's bridge and observation room and the Mustafar control room were all fully built sets.

Partial sets include the Senate, several landing platforms, and the Geonosian arena. And let's not forget most ships that were built: Anakin's speeder, air taxis, different Jedi fighters and Dooku's solar sailer.

There was a lot of location shooting in AOTC as well. Naboo was shot in Spain and Italy, while Tatooine was shot in Tunesia. ROTS was the first Star Wars movie that did not shoot on location, it was only shot on sound stages. For all prequels, blue and green screen was mostly used during pick ups and reshoots, though I'd concede that a large part of Kamino was realized digitally.

The point I'm making is that blue and green screen alone is not to blame for the PT's visual esthetic. I'd say the digital filming is a large part of it. TPM looks like a Star Wars for the most part, because it was shot on film. AOTC was the first movie to be shot digitally, and I think it shows. It looks plasticy, and that makes some effects stand out in a bad way. They had it under control with ROTS, which is a nice looking film.

It's also the design choices that were made during pre-production. I don't mind parts of them, because the PT is set in a more prosperous time. We also spend time with the elite of the Star Wars galaxy, instead of with a bunch of rebels fighting the man. That said, some corrections could be made, such as color correction to take of some of the shine, and displays.

As for the second point: yes, sounds were altered digitally, but were still captured manually. There is a pretty cool doc on the AOTC DVD on the sound design which shows they recorded rare planes for speeders and made recordings at an assembly line for the droid factory. They even went through the archives to look for sound effects that were recorded, but never used, for the OT.

Anyway, good idea for a thread! :D

 

The point I was trying to make about blue and green screen is that the OT was fully realized.

The PT was mostly done in post production your right about there are location shoots funnily enough one of the locations was a few miles away from where I am living which surprised me.

But where the main differences are is that there were multiple different crew in different studios across the 3 film PT saga

The OT for the most part had much of the same crew and skills and talent that helped to mold the films into something very special.

You basically had the cream of the crop in Creature FX, Animation, Special FX and set building and some strong performances to boot. But these Heads of Departments would have had more say than the PT Saga where George had completely creative control.

as for the sound if you capture something digitally it will sound crisp If you capture something in analogue it will sound warm. I am not disputing that the sound was not good enough but It is not the same as the OT warmer sounding audio track.

It might be worth experimenting around with a EQ setting with dynamics to apply to the whole sound mix but I am sure this can be made better with a remaster to remove or lower the higher pitch frequencies in the mix and slight increase to the overall volume might be worth a try if not lower the high pitch frequencies and put a compressor on it.

I wanted to Highlight some Bad shots in the Hoth Battle that I hope get changed for various different reasons... I don't know if they have been discussed before but probably some of them have previously so apologies in advance but there is too many pages to go through on here.

Ref Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WASr5-mS238

Bad Velocity on Snowspeeders too slow but this one is ok I guess  as they are turning so no big deal on this 03.37

Bad POV shot at 03.59 please something different here

Slow Velocity on Snowsppeder like they are having a sunday drive 06.31

Same Problem slow Snow Speeder at 06.45

And I am sure this one has been discussed but the scale looks wrong very badly 08.13

Mithrandir said:

Who said there had to be battledroids at all?

George did...

unfortunate as it is. I'll maintain the best one I have seen is the one in the Jawas Sandcrawler in ANH:R

Darth Editous said:

 

go-motion before which is the new techniques of adding motion blur to improve the quality of the stop motion either by flicking the model or creating vibration on the surface it was being shot on or the computer controlled rod puppet

Go-motion is the use of a computer-controlled rod puppet which moves during exposure of each frame, so it's accurate motion blur. No flicking or vibrating involved.

 

That's wikipedia for you... And also the lengths they had to go to to get a realistic motion blur effect with the technology available when ESB was made.

Today a lot of stop motion adds Blur in post production digital effects processing.

So I will stand by the potential I see in that Taun Taun model if it was framed to be 3 times the distance away from the camera at least than we see it in the wampa stop motion video and running away from something on the battlefield much larger than itself say an AT-ST as the CGI model is done... I think it would pass for a very close similar.

Add the motion Blur in post effects and it would be even more closer. And I reckon pretty much look like the Rod Puppet go-motion iteration.

Of course this would all depend on the people who did the animation being interested in doing a few more new shots and Adywan being interested in adding something like this but done better. I think both parties would probably be interested and do it for the joy of doing it. It would be kind of special little extra I guess.

But It is an exciting prospect, you cannot have cgi taun tauns and if Adywan is the boss and explains I want this shot and this shot.. They have already displayed the knowledge of framing the shot accurately well but they did not have the post production skills that Adywan really shines at.

If Adywan added motion Blur to the shot of the Wampa hitting the Taun Taun I reckon that would even improve some more and I already like it.

It's also not too much more work for Adywan but more so for the guys with the stop motion taun taun puppet. if it's not good enough it won't make it in will it.

Just saying there is nothing to lose

aalenfae said:

The effect was made by exporting the footage at 15 fps, then reimporting it into a 24 fps composition, then just cutting out the parts I didn't want to be jerky. 

(Where on earth are the mace windu shots from in the space battle?!)


Cylon voices might be a little too much, but I definitely think his voice needs to sound more robot-like. He just sounds like a guy talking through a tin can or something and making a bad Russian accent.  He needs more phasing like the TPM battle droids, maybe.

 

 

 

Interesting good technique I would say add motion blur to it for the go-motion feel

er the Mace Windu space battle shots came from errr you tube...

Someone else did this but I thought it was a lot better than Anakin in space which is stupid and too far fetched in my opinion so I put it in as a place holder. you would never have a kid pilot in a spaceship in the 70's this was a lot more late 80's like flight of the navigator or explorers and too much of a family film when star wars was more for everyone. Adults / Parents and kids not just Parents and their kids

Grievous should not sound exactly like a cylon but he should have the deep vocoder qualities of a cylon which were developed around the 70's it would give him a much better feel not the same but similar essentially or along those lines if you catch my drift

I suggested before maximillion would be a great replacement battledroid. Battledroids don't need to talk or say "roger, roger" they need to be intimidating killing machines that make intimidating sounds that scare you.

That is a battledroid in the picture below by it's design

Theres a good model kit perhaps worth modifying check it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi_ZA1JHGNE

Battle Droids need to..

1. Look Intimidating

2. Sound Intimidating

3. Be intimidating

It would be better to have one or two battle droids similar to maximillion than 6 or 7 of the current canon fodder these things actually are war machines? 

Destroyers do their job ok and are fairly well designed but the battledroids need to go IMO if at all possible

adywan said:

Ronster said:

Don't forget the Rancor will be in ROTJ:R which is great stop motion animation

The Rancor wasn't stop motion. It was a rod puppet filmed at a high framerate then slowed down to 24fps to give it mass

My Bad,

It has a stop motion quality about it though especially when it eats the gamorrean guard and snaps the bone in it's jaws I wonder if those scenes were done slightly differently?... Anyway now you have put me right it does seem like it is a different technique but parts of it do feel a little different to the technique you mention of high frame slowed.

I knew the stop motion effects were good in ESB but I never heard the term go-motion before which is the new techniques of adding motion blur to improve the quality of the stop motion either by flicking the model or creating vibration on the surface it was being shot on or the computer controlled rod puppet... I was even more surprised to learn Rick Baker help set up the creature shop with Phil Tippett

this would seem to be the downfall of the wampa stop motion video no go-motion technique was used but it sounds like quite a difficult process to do the go-motion that was in ESB replicated but stop motion and adding the go-motion blur in after effects would be good enough probably but only at a distance.

theres a good interview with phil tippeett on it here

http://starwarsinterviews1.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/phil-tippett-interview-stop-motion.html

timdiggerm said:

That is one of the stranger ideas I've seen on here.

It's genius but It would be a lot of work to do it I guess any shots would need to have have 2 layers one for the actors to appear normal and one for the CGI stop motion puppets effect the same shot twice with as simple a mask as possible.

Is that effect created by dropping a few frames out of the video then?

for grievous voice best to go the cylon sounding route I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H4fYtDkTxk

not sure if this phone app saves the sounds you record and then you can export them but the extra deep fat cylon voice would suit grievous much better.

When I was trying to rough cut the PT into one film I nailed down what was important from TPM in to about 8 minutes. Based on making a movie that was anakins story I have changed my mind on this now as I feel that creating a Slave story will make TPM more so Anakin's Story and about him and what he wen't through.

The video here was the structure I ended up with.... The last clip after Obi-wan and yoda talk is not included in this structure.(qui-gon and shimi)

Forgive me but you have to imagine sfx shots and background continuity fixes.

It is very rough ideas I used the sam jackson pilot edit against the trade federation in it would be straight after the crawl but the most important thing to watch in this is the Darth Maul Duel.

I have done my best to retrofy it although the grapple hook up to the platform could do with tightening and changing with the editing and footage the rest of the shots are more or less in place. To use qui-gons funeral although it makes his death inevitable I think it works in a strange way but well to tell what happened in the 3 way duel.

https://vimeo.com/64920195

password = trilogy

aalenfae said:

Here's a retro-redux idea. 

Making Grievous (and perhaps many CGI droids) look like stop-motion puppets!
http://vimeo.com/64913920

Now we are cooking!! that's what I am talking about...good...good

I don't mind grievous design but I hate his voice if he had more a deep vocoder voice it would be better rather than the husky crap.

but that is the way to go for sure...

going to load a vid in a sec

aalenfae said:

http://vimeo.com/61159738
Just... gonna leave this here ;P 

I really like what you did there...

It's up to you what you do with these as they are your edits but I am gathering together a few rules on what needs to be removed as a whole from the PT to make the PT feel more like the OT here is a few.

1.No Emperor Holograms until order 66 and no emperor until he says I am a sith

2.No Force Pushes at all

3.Somersaults are ok but no stupid acrobatics this goes for yoda too.

These are the 3 golden rules and the 4th is no Jar Jar of course

What you are doing looks promising and very well done not sure what the main goal is but it's looking good

ray_afraid said:

That stop motion shot would be fine for a stop motion feature, but in Revisited it would stand out like a boner in sweatpants.

Well I have the sweatpants on, I don't have a boner but I quite like that one particular shot of the Wampa smacking the taun taun in the head and it falling down. for all it's glory

I really like stop motion animation, I appreciate it for what it is, it's not cgi and it is in some ways better for it. It has it's own charm

Anyone that has a stop motion taun taun would be an asset to perhaps be utilized for revisited surely at least that is how I see it. what I gather from the model is they look much better at distance and not so good close up

The prequel trilogy could have done with some stop motion animation... If that dude could make a stop motion rebel on a taun taun vs a cgi chicken walker that would be an interesting combination to see anyway. 

whatever I agree it looks pretty crap apart from the one shot where the wampa takes out the taun taun which somehow works for me.

I like that shot the rest is not good enough

Don't forget the Rancor will be in ROTJ:R which is great stop motion animation

No Big deal I am sure it will be great... I know it is late stages but you have to call it final somewhere... I appreciate that... 

I had a bad week so I wanted to do a bit of dreaming up some ideas.

Ady want's his life back and I don't blame him... But there is some real easy ones there anyway

Stop Motion Wampa and taun taun

Just spotted this video a guy has done a stop motion Wampa killing the taun taun. I think it looks the nuts.. So I think that this is a good candidate for revisited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-mDIgk3Y9g

What do you think?

I know it's not Ady and the teams work or I don't think it is but I think the long shot of Wampa taking down the Taun Taun screams king kong and I love it. so this 2 seconds would be a worthwhile addition I think it would be.

perhaps contact this guy through his tube account?

Some final ideas for the battle of hoth... 20 shots left to do is obviously not enough...(only kidding) sorry if it's already been discussed before too

1. When Luke crashes his snow speeder add on a slight bit of the same footage but reversed at a different speed so that it looks more natural before the next shot which is him getting the safety buckles off. he lifts his head and comes around from the crash basically.

2. seeing one of these fly by might be quite a nice touch I thought of when Luke crashes his speeder one could fly by before the cockpit hatch opens or while luke is scrambling to get out... a blurred 2d animation would do like the ties in ANH:R.

3. General veers gets killed by kamikaze as originally intended

4. Use the outtake from return of the jedi that was put into Empire strikes back special edition of Vader landing on the executor/ deathstar... Remove all the background and only keep Vader walking off and the shuttle... The Background can be Hoth with an AT-ST coming into frame as Vader.walks off

5. Show Snow troopers rappelling down from an AT-AT Hatch Doors after the shot mentioned at 4

6. Vader slaughters a rebel with his light sabre inside echo Base

7. Use this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwLurb62LWk

from 0.38 to 0.47 without any enhancement make it worse and show the two rebels we see hit by blaster fire but make it look like security camera footage. which would cut to a flash and white noise The next shot would be Han asking leia if she is alright in the command center.

8. This one is a massive one but somehow show a pack of taun tauns or a single one freaked out stampede and trample a snow trooper to death in echo base.

9. After the asteroid chase and before this shot of bombing run goes ahead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phGlo_TNDp0

this still image would be great...

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130308055503/starwars/images/8/86/DeathStarIIHangar-TCWBRBD2.png

would be good to see some asteroids floating out there though and It might set a good atmosphere.

Conclusion

some of these would be easy to do but some like the taun taun idea and vader exiting the shuttle on hoth probably impossible....perhaps using jurrassic park footage modified or something along those lines for the taun tauns but I thought I would share my last ditch ideas anyway just to make ESB come out late... well not too late anyway

I remember thinking when ANH:R came out that ESB:R would not take very long... Because I thought the film really did not need too much changing with it apart from the color correction and a few edits and replacement matte paintings.

Only after it's totally scrutinized and you look at the change list on the first post you realize how much potential tweaks and improvements there are.

My mind can only Boggle at the size of the ROTJ:R change list it's probably twice as long as ESB:R already if there is a rough list

And the prequel Trilogy films that is an impossible calculation at the moment.

Anyway I just went on Jim Henson's creature workshop to have a look and surprisingly when you click on the films tab Star Wars does not get a mention? 

I wonder if there is some sort of breech of contract that they are not allowed to claim rights to creative services being an outside company from lucasfilm?

you can see the film list here

http://www.creatureshop.com/productions_film.php

I just think it's a bit strange that they did not credit that film to the list... As who would not want to associate themselves with working on the original star wars trilogy? Which makes me think that they can not on legal grounds?

*Edit*

Just found this on Wiki

Despite assumptions to the contrary, Jim Henson's Creature Shop was not responsible for any of the non-human characters in the Star Wars series. The Star Wars creatures were created in-house by Stuart Freeborn in England and at Industrial Light & Magic, George Lucas' special effects shop. Jim Henson and his team, regardless were consultants for the Yoda puppets and Frank Oz, one of the original Muppeteers, performed him.^[1] Henson and Lucas did collaborate on the 1980s cult classic Labyrinth.

I Actually never new that but I thought I would leave this up for others.

AntcuFaalb said:

Ronster said:

Antcufaalb can I ask a favour for this thread please....

Primarily I think Retro Visuals Is key but I would also like you to update the first post with anything else that could be retro.

Which the only other 2 things I can think of is Retro Sound and music and retro plot ideas...

I changed the title and added a note to the OP.

Fixed?

I don't want to sound rude but as it atands at the moment it's not got the punch or the attraction needed to get people posting in here and fleshing out ideas.

Now I will write something and I don't want you to copy and paste what I say but I want you to say what you think and interpret what I write and put it in your own words and how you feel then I will change this post for an idea that I have had. I don't want to sound intimidating either but you started the thread so it should be in your own words and how ever you want it to come over.

Unofficial Revisited Retro Redux thread

The Star Wars Trilogy's first episode appeared on the silver screen in 1977 with the final installment released of the original star wars trilogy in 1983.

There was a gap of around 16 years before we were to see another new episode of star wars hit the cinemas.

In 1999 The Phantom menace was released with 2 more films released to complete a prequel trilogy in 2002 and the final part in 2005.

Now weather you like the prequel trilogy, hate the prequel trilogy are indifferent one fact about the prequel trilogy films vs the original films is...

They look like they were made afterwards.

George Lucas did try to seamlessly bridge the end of the third installment of the prequel trilogy somewhat with the first of the original trilogy but

They felt completely different and had very few similarities  to a movie made in 1977

We did however have some constants across the whole six film saga such as John Williams reprised his role as musical composer and obviously George Lucas had a hand in writing and directing but there are also a number of crucial differences here amongst the constants.

1. It was mostly filmed on blue or green screens which did not help the acting as there were very few physical sets

2. different techniques were used to create the sound digitally and not in analogue

3.Filming was done with many different crews across many locations apart from the phantom menace that was filmed mostly at leavesden studios and location shoots. The Original star wars trilogy was for the most part filmed and done by much of the same crew at pinewood studios UK

4. Really bad stupid stuff found it's way into the films that you look at and say "that's stupid" and you know you are meant to laugh but it is not funny the original trilogy used characters relationships for comedic moments not slapstick that is really poorly done slapstick

5. CGI was employed on a large scale to promote George lucas's company ILM over the traditional techniques used for filmaking in 1977 - 1983 for the most part because the technology was not available in this time period but more could have been done with miniatures and models and make up and creature fx to help bridge the gap between the two trilogies

The aim of this thread is to perceive and try to imagine a prequel trilogy that feels like it was filmed before the original trilogy keeps a continuous style drawing upon the era from the 60's to the 80's and lowering the budget of the prequel trilogy to bring it back down to earth and stop it feeling like a cartoon film and become more of a movie like the original star wars trilogy.

anything goes but It can be anything from techniques used in this era of the original trilogy from retro plot styles retro sounds and retro visual influence or even modern but done in a retro style.

Please draw upon movies, art. culture and ideas and ideals from the 60's 70's and 80's and try to incorporate them into what we know of the prequel trilogy to at least bridge that gap and try to make them feel a bit similar in fasion and like they were filmed before or around the same time as the original trilogy

Post art mock ups, small film edits, sound files or any concepts you feel would bring the prequel trilogy into a more retro style similar to the original trilogy

20 Shots and counting.. Must be a fairly good feeling but sounds like you left some hardest work for the last stretch

The miniatures work for this project really interests me... But I don't want to see any video of it until the film is released but I would like some teaser stills when the work is done...

Can't say I blame you for wanting to take a break from all the hard work... Take a big deep breath and then plunge yourself in even deeper...

Even just planning everything on the year off will be a huge task in itself for what you have already announced.

So when will ESB Revisited be released?

I know it's done when it's done and the sooner the better and all that type of stuff....

But If it came out in December over the festive season I could imagine that being real magic.

I always associated the original trilogy as not only great films that I would watch on vhs ..again and again (I had a betamax first though) as a kid, but they were always on the television at christmas and there was always something special about them being on television as opposed to having to stick a video cassette in.

Empire strikes back and gremlins I think are probably 2 of the best films you could watch over the festive period... Just saying and If you had not seen this particular iteration of ESB before well it goes without saying....

Even if it's done by September they should probably wait to release for Christmas for that magic feel... I don't really like Christmas as a time that much but the film you watch on Christmas day after dinner is always a good point of it. Then again I got quite a small family.

Even if it's out before then I think I may be reserving a 2nd viewing of this on Christmas day this year

AntcuFaalb said:

Bingowings said:

I'm getting an idea for an image thread where people can post their visual mashups of good looking aspects of these sort of films and shows (the Masters Of The Universe film also has some lovely looking sets and costumes) with the PT and come up with some nice new imagery which may be an inspiration.

Go!

Antcufaalb can I ask a favour for this thread please....

Primarily I think Retro Visuals Is key but I would also like you to update the first post with anything else that could be retro.

Which the only other 2 things I can think of is Retro Sound and music and retro plot ideas...

I don't know if anyone liked what I did with the Pod Race as it was only meant for a demonstration purposes.... Yeah the music sounding like something out of an old 80's transformers cartoon... it was between this or fleetwood mac

Like the Ewoks, with stuff that you find a bit iffy sometimes it is better to embrace it and try to make the most of it that was what I was trying to show.

The Pod Race looks like a cartoon put to film so I thought of rolling with that  Similar to Flash Gordon in Mings throne room that becomes an american football brawl and the music used here.

It does not feel like star wars though... Yep the PT did not feel like star wars originally did... In one hand it was trying to be serious and in the other had stupid cartoon antics that really did not work. It was like Star wars meets who framed roger rabbit

Retro Sci-fi and Fantasy never took itself too seriously it was campy and had real world stuff that you could understand and associate with at it's core in the fictional universe presented. The PT does not follow this method and this is what needs injecting in to it somehow to bring it back to it's roots but in some cases you have to roll roll with it.

The prequel trilogy was more like a serious film with a cartoon going on inside of it

But as a rule stop it from feeling too much like a cartoon and more comic book and when you cannot do that embrace it like an old anime cartoon from the 80's and go in balls out.

So in essence the John willams score which works brilliantly in some parts of the film does the Pod Race no justice at all... And I hope people agree with that 

The next step would be to remove the cgi drivers and put proper creature fx (people in costume with make up and Latex masks)

Also I wanted to cite Super 8 as an example of how a film with modern special effects can be done in a retro style... even without making the tech or droids look like something from the 70's or 80's there are many methods of making something feel retro and super 8 is a prime example of successfully achieving this even though the special effects are modern.

I like the idea for the clones classic 70's like flash gordon the dudes with the glasses with lights in them

I keep thinking about making more of the Anakin being a slave story and I will revert back to quoting starchaser the legend of orin.

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB3cVB87_oc

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV0qKU-Mzrc

This is the start of the film that focuses on the slave story...

Aside from drawing inspiration from this plot with filming other characters and cruelty being shown to other slaves aside from Anakin... I was also thinking about the removal of the emperor sending darth maul and darth maul being the head slave master on tattooine.

Zigar in starchaser could potentially be swapped for Maul... Maul wears a mask until an escape attempt is made....

He pursues qui-gon and and anakin to the ship but why is he on Naboo also

Darth Maul is working for the emperor and the slave operation on tattooine which is rich in minerals and ore from before it was a desert planet used to power ships.

Anyway that is my attempt to link the story to the war effort gearing up from Palps and the sith

The Pod Racing is the fruit of the slaves labour and provides entertainment for the hutt as well as gambling revenues without this appeasement the slave operation would not be allowed

Starchaser the legend of orin does the opening extremely well of setting up mine world and uses an disabled old man and a young blind kid to show how cruel the slave masters are. I reccomend this cartoon for developing any slave story for the PT

2 deleted scenes from TPM could be used in this Slave scenario

Anakin fights greedo = this would be better used to show anakin fighting the leg of a bigger slave master after they have done something very cruel to an old man say and he dies. A Break call can be used to save anakin from getting seveirly punished himself by a whip

Qui-hon destroys droid = A Slave master (not Maul) is shouting and following "where do you think you are taking him, he is ours!"Qui-gon kills the slave master and cuts to crouching down with Anakin come on let's go.

This would really improve the drama and if those shots can be modified you can tell this story with this footage and other characters and qui gon really breaks him out like a bit more prison break hero to the rescue. Even if he is freed by gambling or winning the race they obviously don't want to honor the bet or the reward of freedom.

I Hope that they make a Boba Fett costume and film some extra scenes with him..

I'd still like him to die on tattooine but I would not mind seeing him before tattooine either like on the deathstar or on an imperial cruiser or something...

but only if that is for plot reasons not just for the sake of it

Fixed the link above Ready now.. 

Also thinking of the Pod Race it would be better for any slave that wins the Pod Race get's freedom as a reward or dies trying... It makes the stakes higher meaning subulbar and no other one of the racers ever won it before.

And perhaps also the ones who get freedom by winning are not seen again... Wink Wink

Ok may aswell start this thread with something exciting...

Been off work today heard a song by a band called Lazerhawk and I was inspired...

So I have re-cut the Pod Race to this music and removed a lot of the stop start moments and hopefully it does what I intended it to do.

Which is not only be a lot better in terms of watching a race but the music also plays a huge part in the whole race also.

I realize that this is not a visual retro more audio retro (actual modern music in retro style) but it has a retro feel and the cut's are more in line with a typical retro sequence of events in Cartoons and older films.

Not sure how this will go down but I am at least quite pleased with the result I like the sound of the words Retro Remix so thanks for helping me name this small edit done for fun.

Pod Race Retro Remix and I hope you enjoy it

https://vimeo.com/64241281

Password: trilogy

Hopefully it won't get deleted too before some people have a chance to see it but anyway I put a clear disclaimer up on it so fingers crossed it will not.

And please let us know what you think even if you hate it,

Bingowings said:

There is a lot visually in Krull that is right and matches some of the story feel of TPM (both were rather cynically manufactured to cash in on Star Wars).

I'm getting an idea for an image thread where people can post their visual mashups of good looking aspects of these sort of films and shows (the Masters Of The Universe film also has some lovely looking sets and costumes) with the PT and come up with some nice new imagery which may be an inspiration.

It may be difficult to show little Anakin as a slave in the manner you suggest (not all slaves are that mistreated remember) but it might be possible to film some inserts of slaves being mistreated and/or pinch some from historical epics and the like and obscure them in such a way that they fit and manipulate shots so Anakin reacts to them. Perhaps as a podracer he gets special treatment too which explains the nice house (other children less gifted, racing in deadly rocket chariots would make that aspect of the story a lot darker too).

oops I have started something now... But Old films would be good inspiration for the PT

I also wanted to say your spot on there Bingowings... You don't essentially need to show cruelty directly to Anakin but if he is a slave and you show cruelty to others slaves it hurts anakin as well as those he knows physically.

Starchaser the legend of orin does the opening extremely well of setting up mine world and uses an disabled old man and a young blind kid to show how cruel the slave masters are. I reccomend this cartoon for developing any slave story for the PT

2 deleted scenes from TPM could be used in this Slave scenario

Anakin fights greedo = this would be better used to show anakin fighting the leg of a bigger slave master after they have done something very cruel to an old man say and he dies. A Break call can be used to save anakin from getting seveirly punished himself by a whip

Qui-hon destroys droid = Slave master is shouting and following "where do you think you are taking him, he is ours!"Qui-gon kills the slave master and cuts to crouching down with Anakin come on let's go.

This would really improve the drama and if those shots can be modified you can tell this story with this footage and other characters and qui gon really breaks him out like a bit more prison break hero to the rescue. Even if he is freed by gambling they obviously don't want to honor the bet.

Bingowings said:

I'm still waiting for the Krull pictures.

Sword and sorcery with laser guns and aliens.

A little bit  stiff but still better than the PT.

Nope I'm not posting Krull pictures lol

But something else that has occurred to me also is Anakin in TPM really felt nothig like a slave.. There was nothing beating on him and making him do things he did not want to do... It would have greatly improved the plot if he was actually a slave and showed perhaps battle droids (although better designed ones) or slave masters oppressing anakin in an underground mine or something... That to actually break free from this would have felt liberating him was a real achievement and explain why in later films he was messed up  As it's obviously what the plot is, but it was never shown on screen to make it a plot or demonstrated to the audience.

Mining for crystals or mineral ore that is used to power ships being thrown scraps of food while everyone fights over what is theres Being laser whpiped and being held in shackles would have achieved this.

To re-film another Anakin that was actually a slave would really help improve Anakins Arc... 

2 films I'll cite for inspiration would be Starchaser Legend of orin and enemy mine

Sorry for posting all these images but I feel it helps me get a point across...

I would be happy If we had a replacement Han Solo would drive something like this for a couple of reasons.

1. It would make him a lesser smuggler or pirate or rouge or simply a cargo hauler that gets in over his head to make a few extra credits... Millennium falcon is more a like a sports cargo haulage

2. grounds it in a reality we are familiar with and not a character that has a death warrant on his head.

3. truck drivers are here to stay it makes a connection to a world we are familiar with which the PT certainly does not do very well

4. I'd rather this is how the Queen was smuggled off the planet and taken as far a tattooine or has involvement somehow.

5. Driver has a change of heart and goes back for them and takes them to corusant or shows up later (whatever just saying)

6. Needs some people who will carry guns to make lightsabres more out of the ordinary and has a shipmate companion.. Some buddy feel 

But it needs grounding and familiar in ways with our world too in some ship designs and characters that is something it really lacked the PT.

The Naboo royal cruiser reminds me too much of flight of the navigator which really was just ok.. And not star wars