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#636909
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Thought I would post these concept arts up for interest purposes battlefront 3 concept art files that were found hidden in files of another game.

Not sure if this is any help but It may be quite good for visualizing any layouts or inspiring... Or a basis for some mattes

Looking especially at the first picture... I'm not an expert how hoth is laid out but to do a flip shot of the ion cannon shooting during battle and composited on that backdrop (with plenty of blue sky) would not be such a bad thing and to see it fire again... Anyway whatever just more food.

It would serve as a reminder that they are fighting the battle / invasion still on another level and not just on the surface but no need for outer space shots.

I did warn you about my big clunky ideas sorry

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#636901
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Kingherb said:

Just putting this out there, but i would really like to see Jar Jar Binks dead in the Wampa ice cave :)

I was ashamed of myself today with an idea that Gungan technology was responsible for the shield on Hoth and was operated by Gungans... I felt dirty afterwards

Ady should kill Jah Jah in the most disgusting way possible in the special features for each of his revisited editions... It could be a running joke that Jah Jah always gets killed in the special features. :)

In ROTJ perhaps he could have him first burnt by boba fett with his flame thrower and fall into the sarlac pitt but also get beaten to inches of his life by ewoks and then an AT-ST treads on him while he is rolling about in pain

I'll stand by your idea of Jah Jah being Eaten by a wampa but only in the special features

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#636884
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Harmy said:

No, not at all, of course. My point was that with Ady's changes, which are mainly about visual improvement and adding more realism to the visuals, the story and characters stay the same just as they would with added reflections, so the story and characters being the important thing isn't really a valid argument against tastefully done reflections in this case, because it would be very much in spirit of changes like re-rotoscoping all the laser bolts or adding more asteroids to the asteroid field.

There was a lot more than that done in ANH:R use of deleted scenes and footage from the other films too.

It was actually quite Radical although it remained true to it's roots and is actually my definitive version that I would watch now. It has replace the special edition and the original. I have not forgotten the original but I prefer this version. 

You can still expect some radical ideas in ESB:R and just beacuse ADY says he's not doing something or not does not mean that it will not end up being in the edit.

I think he likes to play devils advocate sometimes... And although it will be true to it's roots there will be some radical too. Just think of the glaring issues or faults that Empire has and the new filming that is being done.

I love the radical stuff as long as It feels right and grounded in it's roots bring it on. 

as for the reflection and as you say Harmy it's in the spirit of revisited it's a fair suggestion the only thing that bothers me about it is I have never felt that there was a problem with classic storms troopers so I think it's easy to get protective over something like that when as you say It could be a real improvement but as I said my brain does not contemplate visual effects on this level or how it is done and also you can tinker with something like that and get huge backlash if it's not done tastefully or even overdone... If you leave it alone no problem

I think it's different to the examples you give slightly but not totally.

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#636755
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Return of the Jedi: Radical Re-Edit (Released)
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daneditor said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Re: the "I've got a promise to keep to an old friend". Credit goes to Darth Ender for that. I just stole his great idea. :)

It was my idea I think and used the line "we're not going to regroup with the others" and cut "not" out intertwined with R2 beeps so it said "we're going to regroup with the others" and then "I have a promise to keep...."

But It does not matter to me Darth Ender did a good job of fleshing out ideas to be sure

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Collaborative-Fanediting-An-ROTJ-Proposition-BACK-ON-TRACK-WITH-EMANSWFAN-AT-THE-HELM-SEE-POST-1488-OR-OP-FOR-A-LINK/post/559145/#TopicPost559145

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#636626
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aalenfae sorry my brain does not work in this capacity because I don't do what you or Adywan do all this graphics and after effects and colour correction is really beyond my skills, so I don't really know how much work it is but it seems a lot when your talking about all shots with storm troopers shooting. And I also think because you do graphics is a reason you had the idea. 

I think more about the 2 storm troopers in cloud city that when they get shot no pyrotechnics fired or were not placed on them so there is no sparks or smoke coming from them when they get blasted.... And it looks crap.

I never really thought about your suggestion before, I like classic storm troopers a lot better than clone troopers and I can't tell you weather I would like the idea or not, but because I never thought of it does not mean it's not a good idea but I have watched the films a lot of times and never once have I thought "whys that storm trooper not glowing a bit when he fires his gun" and neither did I realise the clone troopers glowed when they shoot so it's not a big deal for me so I probably would not notice either way...That is what I guess I was trying to say. 

No offense Intended, and I also look at it from the point of any storm troopers being filmed for new footage just saying

I am not so subtle... small / big  clunky suggestions are my speciality I guess

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#636522
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ROTJ is the best Star Wars film... discuss!
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In my personal belief ROTJ has the potential to be the best star wars film out of all of them it is just that, that potential needs to be realized and unlocked.

None of the prequels even come close to ROTJ in my opinion.

And ROTJ as it currently stands is not as good as Empire strikes back or A new hope... But by the time it comes to ROTJ:R prepare yourself for your jaw on the floor lol

Many people have worked on ideas for ways to improve ROTJ very hard and fleshed out an awful lot of ideas including myself Darth Ender, Dan editor is currently doing an edit Spence Edit paved the way for a better ROTJ in the final parts and played with new structure and I suggest you look for the collaborative thread as a wealth of information there.

Anyone who contributed to the Collaborative thread will tell you that there is a far better film waiting to emerge.

As for Ewoks, oh well you just have to accept them and grow to love them unlike Jar Jar Binks and gungans

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#636510
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Well I have finished my suggestions now but I would like to say I do not support the adding colored muzzle flash to the storm troopers... The main reason being

If Ady and the team are going to dress people in any outfits which will be difficult enough it's yet another thing that will have to be done on top of everything else and to also alter it on existing footage across 6 films.

I can not imagine that I would be staring at the screen saying to myself "wow, when the storm troopers fire they change color slightly" A lot of work for very little pay off and I would suggest that the PT should be changed so that no color reflections are present on any cgi troopers that are kept in the edit.

It really has no wow factor about it.

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#636416
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doubleofive said:

AT-ST shots have been replaced.

Cheers 005 good to know that last shot will be done

I also spotted in the 1st post changelist

89 - Replaced some snowpeeders in background due to bad movement

But I won't assume that means the ones I pointed out...there is one more while troops are retreating but It's passable due to distance and it might be slowing to turn or to cover the retreat so I did not bother to list it

The POV shot is really bad I don't mind if it get's cut... I don't think it really adds anything and it's not in the 1st post either as a confirmed change

This is Wedge's Cockpit and luke is voicing "I will cover for you" over the comms

I woluld suggest something like this but the footage is too low quality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALVwzudFC8

some new pov shot and a line from the radio drama. Because the line "I'll cover for you" is repeated before luke crashes so It does not need to be said again and again either. to add to this he also says follow me moments later. So how will he cover  Wedge if he is following him and he has lost his rear gunner?

or perhaps an exterior shot and no line at all as it is not needed and to keep the soundtrack intact

Or just cut it.

Anyway just a suggestion and I hope people agree that it looks bad makes no sense at all seems out of scale like he is going to crash into this really big guy or something and does the sequence no justice

Suggestion for a Audio Line from the Radio Dramatization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9XcQlSvGk

07.02 "The Walkers are moving in on the Power gerenrators Luke"

and this could work cutting to a side shot of Luke or a rear of  helmet POV (behind a Pilot so we don't know who this is) with the Radio Drama Line next shot being Luke in cockpit facing camera commanding wedge "set your harpoon, follow me on the next pass"

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#636393
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Return of the Jedi: Dan Edit - Clips Online (Released)
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daneditor said:

The original edit is online. Check your PMs. The other more experimental one is still being worked on, but I'll upload a workprint soon.

I did some shots in After effects about a year ago... They are really rough shots but I never got around to putting the sequence together... I might actually do this later on today or next week.

Basically a few things that everyone seemed to agree about in the collaborative thread was that The rebels rush for the port / deathstar attack had a few issues. I'll list the main points.

1. No Turret Defense and no ships got taken down by any guns turrets

2. It did not feel like they were being chased by ties across the surface

3. A few rebels needed to get blown up to show more of a struggle

4. No Coms chatter

5. No Shots of Tie Fighter Pilots protecting the deathstar

6. No Shots of tie fighters launching from the Hanger

So I have some clips that I did and I will string it together and post it here but what I found was that I could not get the pacing of it right it felt far too slow.

But I think it's time I had another go at it

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#636391
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Unofficial Revisited Retro-redux Ideas Thread
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SilverKey said:

This might not be the thread, nor forum, for it, but I wanted to address these two points, Ronster:

 

1. It was mostly filmed on blue or green screens which did not help the acting as there were very few physical sets

2. different techniques were used to create the sound digitally and not in analogue


Point one is a common misconception. Yes, a lot of blue screen was involved in the making of the prequels, but there were way more sets than people would like to think. In AOTC and ROTS, Padme's apartment, Padme's veranda, Palpatine's office, Padme's different places on Naboo, Jango's apartment, the Geonosian hangar, the Invisible Hand's bridge and observation room and the Mustafar control room were all fully built sets.

Partial sets include the Senate, several landing platforms, and the Geonosian arena. And let's not forget most ships that were built: Anakin's speeder, air taxis, different Jedi fighters and Dooku's solar sailer.

There was a lot of location shooting in AOTC as well. Naboo was shot in Spain and Italy, while Tatooine was shot in Tunesia. ROTS was the first Star Wars movie that did not shoot on location, it was only shot on sound stages. For all prequels, blue and green screen was mostly used during pick ups and reshoots, though I'd concede that a large part of Kamino was realized digitally.

The point I'm making is that blue and green screen alone is not to blame for the PT's visual esthetic. I'd say the digital filming is a large part of it. TPM looks like a Star Wars for the most part, because it was shot on film. AOTC was the first movie to be shot digitally, and I think it shows. It looks plasticy, and that makes some effects stand out in a bad way. They had it under control with ROTS, which is a nice looking film.

It's also the design choices that were made during pre-production. I don't mind parts of them, because the PT is set in a more prosperous time. We also spend time with the elite of the Star Wars galaxy, instead of with a bunch of rebels fighting the man. That said, some corrections could be made, such as color correction to take of some of the shine, and displays.

As for the second point: yes, sounds were altered digitally, but were still captured manually. There is a pretty cool doc on the AOTC DVD on the sound design which shows they recorded rare planes for speeders and made recordings at an assembly line for the droid factory. They even went through the archives to look for sound effects that were recorded, but never used, for the OT.

Anyway, good idea for a thread! :D

 

The point I was trying to make about blue and green screen is that the OT was fully realized.

The PT was mostly done in post production your right about there are location shoots funnily enough one of the locations was a few miles away from where I am living which surprised me.

But where the main differences are is that there were multiple different crew in different studios across the 3 film PT saga

The OT for the most part had much of the same crew and skills and talent that helped to mold the films into something very special.

You basically had the cream of the crop in Creature FX, Animation, Special FX and set building and some strong performances to boot. But these Heads of Departments would have had more say than the PT Saga where George had completely creative control.

as for the sound if you capture something digitally it will sound crisp If you capture something in analogue it will sound warm. I am not disputing that the sound was not good enough but It is not the same as the OT warmer sounding audio track.

It might be worth experimenting around with a EQ setting with dynamics to apply to the whole sound mix but I am sure this can be made better with a remaster to remove or lower the higher pitch frequencies in the mix and slight increase to the overall volume might be worth a try if not lower the high pitch frequencies and put a compressor on it.

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#636388
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I wanted to Highlight some Bad shots in the Hoth Battle that I hope get changed for various different reasons... I don't know if they have been discussed before but probably some of them have previously so apologies in advance but there is too many pages to go through on here.

Ref Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WASr5-mS238

Bad Velocity on Snowspeeders too slow but this one is ok I guess  as they are turning so no big deal on this 03.37

Bad POV shot at 03.59 please something different here

Slow Velocity on Snowsppeder like they are having a sunday drive 06.31

Same Problem slow Snow Speeder at 06.45

And I am sure this one has been discussed but the scale looks wrong very badly 08.13

 

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#636256
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Darth Editous said:

 

go-motion before which is the new techniques of adding motion blur to improve the quality of the stop motion either by flicking the model or creating vibration on the surface it was being shot on or the computer controlled rod puppet


Go-motion is the use of a computer-controlled rod puppet which moves during exposure of each frame, so it's accurate motion blur. No flicking or vibrating involved.

 

That's wikipedia for you... And also the lengths they had to go to to get a realistic motion blur effect with the technology available when ESB was made.

Today a lot of stop motion adds Blur in post production digital effects processing.

So I will stand by the potential I see in that Taun Taun model if it was framed to be 3 times the distance away from the camera at least than we see it in the wampa stop motion video and running away from something on the battlefield much larger than itself say an AT-ST as the CGI model is done... I think it would pass for a very close similar.

Add the motion Blur in post effects and it would be even more closer. And I reckon pretty much look like the Rod Puppet go-motion iteration.

Of course this would all depend on the people who did the animation being interested in doing a few more new shots and Adywan being interested in adding something like this but done better. I think both parties would probably be interested and do it for the joy of doing it. It would be kind of special little extra I guess.

But It is an exciting prospect, you cannot have cgi taun tauns and if Adywan is the boss and explains I want this shot and this shot.. They have already displayed the knowledge of framing the shot accurately well but they did not have the post production skills that Adywan really shines at.

If Adywan added motion Blur to the shot of the Wampa hitting the Taun Taun I reckon that would even improve some more and I already like it.

It's also not too much more work for Adywan but more so for the guys with the stop motion taun taun puppet. if it's not good enough it won't make it in will it.

Just saying there is nothing to lose

 

 

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#636231
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Unofficial Revisited Retro-redux Ideas Thread
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aalenfae said:

The effect was made by exporting the footage at 15 fps, then reimporting it into a 24 fps composition, then just cutting out the parts I didn't want to be jerky. 

(Where on earth are the mace windu shots from in the space battle?!)


Cylon voices might be a little too much, but I definitely think his voice needs to sound more robot-like. He just sounds like a guy talking through a tin can or something and making a bad Russian accent.  He needs more phasing like the TPM battle droids, maybe.

 

 

 

Interesting good technique I would say add motion blur to it for the go-motion feel

er the Mace Windu space battle shots came from errr you tube...

Someone else did this but I thought it was a lot better than Anakin in space which is stupid and too far fetched in my opinion so I put it in as a place holder. you would never have a kid pilot in a spaceship in the 70's this was a lot more late 80's like flight of the navigator or explorers and too much of a family film when star wars was more for everyone. Adults / Parents and kids not just Parents and their kids

Grievous should not sound exactly like a cylon but he should have the deep vocoder qualities of a cylon which were developed around the 70's it would give him a much better feel not the same but similar essentially or along those lines if you catch my drift

I suggested before maximillion would be a great replacement battledroid. Battledroids don't need to talk or say "roger, roger" they need to be intimidating killing machines that make intimidating sounds that scare you.

That is a battledroid in the picture below by it's design

Theres a good model kit perhaps worth modifying check it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi_ZA1JHGNE

Battle Droids need to..

1. Look Intimidating

2. Sound Intimidating

3. Be intimidating

It would be better to have one or two battle droids similar to maximillion than 6 or 7 of the current canon fodder these things actually are war machines? 

Destroyers do their job ok and are fairly well designed but the battledroids need to go IMO if at all possible

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#636220
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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adywan said:

Ronster said:

Don't forget the Rancor will be in ROTJ:R which is great stop motion animation

The Rancor wasn't stop motion. It was a rod puppet filmed at a high framerate then slowed down to 24fps to give it mass

My Bad,

It has a stop motion quality about it though especially when it eats the gamorrean guard and snaps the bone in it's jaws I wonder if those scenes were done slightly differently?... Anyway now you have put me right it does seem like it is a different technique but parts of it do feel a little different to the technique you mention of high frame slowed.

I knew the stop motion effects were good in ESB but I never heard the term go-motion before which is the new techniques of adding motion blur to improve the quality of the stop motion either by flicking the model or creating vibration on the surface it was being shot on or the computer controlled rod puppet... I was even more surprised to learn Rick Baker help set up the creature shop with Phil Tippett

this would seem to be the downfall of the wampa stop motion video no go-motion technique was used but it sounds like quite a difficult process to do the go-motion that was in ESB replicated but stop motion and adding the go-motion blur in after effects would be good enough probably but only at a distance.

theres a good interview with phil tippeett on it here

http://starwarsinterviews1.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/phil-tippett-interview-stop-motion.html

 

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#636171
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Unofficial Revisited Retro-redux Ideas Thread
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timdiggerm said:

That is one of the stranger ideas I've seen on here.

It's genius but It would be a lot of work to do it I guess any shots would need to have have 2 layers one for the actors to appear normal and one for the CGI stop motion puppets effect the same shot twice with as simple a mask as possible.

Is that effect created by dropping a few frames out of the video then?

for grievous voice best to go the cylon sounding route I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H4fYtDkTxk

not sure if this phone app saves the sounds you record and then you can export them but the extra deep fat cylon voice would suit grievous much better.

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#636162
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Unofficial Revisited Retro-redux Ideas Thread
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When I was trying to rough cut the PT into one film I nailed down what was important from TPM in to about 8 minutes. Based on making a movie that was anakins story I have changed my mind on this now as I feel that creating a Slave story will make TPM more so Anakin's Story and about him and what he wen't through.

The video here was the structure I ended up with.... The last clip after Obi-wan and yoda talk is not included in this structure.(qui-gon and shimi)

Forgive me but you have to imagine sfx shots and background continuity fixes.

It is very rough ideas I used the sam jackson pilot edit against the trade federation in it would be straight after the crawl but the most important thing to watch in this is the Darth Maul Duel.

I have done my best to retrofy it although the grapple hook up to the platform could do with tightening and changing with the editing and footage the rest of the shots are more or less in place. To use qui-gons funeral although it makes his death inevitable I think it works in a strange way but well to tell what happened in the 3 way duel.

https://vimeo.com/64920195

password = trilogy

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#636153
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Unofficial Revisited Retro-redux Ideas Thread
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aalenfae said:

Here's a retro-redux idea. 

Making Grievous (and perhaps many CGI droids) look like stop-motion puppets!
http://vimeo.com/64913920

Now we are cooking!! that's what I am talking about...good...good

I don't mind grievous design but I hate his voice if he had more a deep vocoder voice it would be better rather than the husky crap.

but that is the way to go for sure...

going to load a vid in a sec

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#636152
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Aalenfae's PREQUEL TRILOGY (Heavily delayed - computer exploded)
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aalenfae said:

http://vimeo.com/61159738
Just... gonna leave this here ;P 

I really like what you did there...

It's up to you what you do with these as they are your edits but I am gathering together a few rules on what needs to be removed as a whole from the PT to make the PT feel more like the OT here is a few.

1.No Emperor Holograms until order 66 and no emperor until he says I am a sith

2.No Force Pushes at all

3.Somersaults are ok but no stupid acrobatics this goes for yoda too.

These are the 3 golden rules and the 4th is no Jar Jar of course

What you are doing looks promising and very well done not sure what the main goal is but it's looking good

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#636123
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ray_afraid said:

That stop motion shot would be fine for a stop motion feature, but in Revisited it would stand out like a boner in sweatpants.

Well I have the sweatpants on, I don't have a boner but I quite like that one particular shot of the Wampa smacking the taun taun in the head and it falling down. for all it's glory

I really like stop motion animation, I appreciate it for what it is, it's not cgi and it is in some ways better for it. It has it's own charm

Anyone that has a stop motion taun taun would be an asset to perhaps be utilized for revisited surely at least that is how I see it. what I gather from the model is they look much better at distance and not so good close up

The prequel trilogy could have done with some stop motion animation... If that dude could make a stop motion rebel on a taun taun vs a cgi chicken walker that would be an interesting combination to see anyway. 

whatever I agree it looks pretty crap apart from the one shot where the wampa takes out the taun taun which somehow works for me.

I like that shot the rest is not good enough

Don't forget the Rancor will be in ROTJ:R which is great stop motion animation

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#636017
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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No Big deal I am sure it will be great... I know it is late stages but you have to call it final somewhere... I appreciate that... 

I had a bad week so I wanted to do a bit of dreaming up some ideas.

Ady want's his life back and I don't blame him... But there is some real easy ones there anyway

Stop Motion Wampa and taun taun

Just spotted this video a guy has done a stop motion Wampa killing the taun taun. I think it looks the nuts.. So I think that this is a good candidate for revisited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-mDIgk3Y9g

What do you think?

I know it's not Ady and the teams work or I don't think it is but I think the long shot of Wampa taking down the Taun Taun screams king kong and I love it. so this 2 seconds would be a worthwhile addition I think it would be.

perhaps contact this guy through his tube account?

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#635935
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Some final ideas for the battle of hoth... 20 shots left to do is obviously not enough...(only kidding) sorry if it's already been discussed before too

1. When Luke crashes his snow speeder add on a slight bit of the same footage but reversed at a different speed so that it looks more natural before the next shot which is him getting the safety buckles off. he lifts his head and comes around from the crash basically.

2. seeing one of these fly by might be quite a nice touch I thought of when Luke crashes his speeder one could fly by before the cockpit hatch opens or while luke is scrambling to get out... a blurred 2d animation would do like the ties in ANH:R.

3. General veers gets killed by kamikaze as originally intended

4. Use the outtake from return of the jedi that was put into Empire strikes back special edition of Vader landing on the executor/ deathstar... Remove all the background and only keep Vader walking off and the shuttle... The Background can be Hoth with an AT-ST coming into frame as Vader.walks off

5. Show Snow troopers rappelling down from an AT-AT Hatch Doors after the shot mentioned at 4

6. Vader slaughters a rebel with his light sabre inside echo Base

7. Use this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwLurb62LWk

from 0.38 to 0.47 without any enhancement make it worse and show the two rebels we see hit by blaster fire but make it look like security camera footage. which would cut to a flash and white noise The next shot would be Han asking leia if she is alright in the command center.

8. This one is a massive one but somehow show a pack of taun tauns or a single one freaked out stampede and trample a snow trooper to death in echo base.

9. After the asteroid chase and before this shot of bombing run goes ahead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phGlo_TNDp0

this still image would be great...

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130308055503/starwars/images/8/86/DeathStarIIHangar-TCWBRBD2.png

would be good to see some asteroids floating out there though and It might set a good atmosphere.

Conclusion

some of these would be easy to do but some like the taun taun idea and vader exiting the shuttle on hoth probably impossible....perhaps using jurrassic park footage modified or something along those lines for the taun tauns but I thought I would share my last ditch ideas anyway just to make ESB come out late... well not too late anyway

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#635098
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I remember thinking when ANH:R came out that ESB:R would not take very long... Because I thought the film really did not need too much changing with it apart from the color correction and a few edits and replacement matte paintings.

Only after it's totally scrutinized and you look at the change list on the first post you realize how much potential tweaks and improvements there are.

My mind can only Boggle at the size of the ROTJ:R change list it's probably twice as long as ESB:R already if there is a rough list

And the prequel Trilogy films that is an impossible calculation at the moment.

Anyway I just went on Jim Henson's creature workshop to have a look and surprisingly when you click on the films tab Star Wars does not get a mention? 

I wonder if there is some sort of breech of contract that they are not allowed to claim rights to creative services being an outside company from lucasfilm?

you can see the film list here

http://www.creatureshop.com/productions_film.php

I just think it's a bit strange that they did not credit that film to the list... As who would not want to associate themselves with working on the original star wars trilogy? Which makes me think that they can not on legal grounds?

*Edit*

Just found this on Wiki

Despite assumptions to the contrary, Jim Henson's Creature Shop was not responsible for any of the non-human characters in the Star Wars series. The Star Wars creatures were created in-house by Stuart Freeborn in England and at Industrial Light & MagicGeorge Lucas' special effects shop. Jim Henson and his team, regardless were consultants for the Yoda puppets and Frank Oz, one of the original Muppeteers, performed him.[1] Henson and Lucas did collaborate on the 1980s cult classic Labyrinth.

I Actually never new that but I thought I would leave this up for others.


 

 

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AntcuFaalb said:

Ronster said:

Antcufaalb can I ask a favour for this thread please....

Primarily I think Retro Visuals Is key but I would also like you to update the first post with anything else that could be retro.

Which the only other 2 things I can think of is Retro Sound and music and retro plot ideas...

I changed the title and added a note to the OP.

Fixed?

I don't want to sound rude but as it atands at the moment it's not got the punch or the attraction needed to get people posting in here and fleshing out ideas.

Now I will write something and I don't want you to copy and paste what I say but I want you to say what you think and interpret what I write and put it in your own words and how you feel then I will change this post for an idea that I have had. I don't want to sound intimidating either but you started the thread so it should be in your own words and how ever you want it to come over.

Unofficial Revisited Retro Redux thread

The Star Wars Trilogy's first episode appeared on the silver screen in 1977 with the final installment released of the original star wars trilogy in 1983.

There was a gap of around 16 years before we were to see another new episode of star wars hit the cinemas.

In 1999 The Phantom menace was released with 2 more films released to complete a prequel trilogy in 2002 and the final part in 2005.

Now weather you like the prequel trilogy, hate the prequel trilogy are indifferent one fact about the prequel trilogy films vs the original films is...

They look like they were made afterwards.

George Lucas did try to seamlessly bridge the end of the third installment of the prequel trilogy somewhat with the first of the original trilogy but

They felt completely different and had very few similarities  to a movie made in 1977

We did however have some constants across the whole six film saga such as John Williams reprised his role as musical composer and obviously George Lucas had a hand in writing and directing but there are also a number of crucial differences here amongst the constants.

1. It was mostly filmed on blue or green screens which did not help the acting as there were very few physical sets

2. different techniques were used to create the sound digitally and not in analogue

3.Filming was done with many different crews across many locations apart from the phantom menace that was filmed mostly at leavesden studios and location shoots. The Original star wars trilogy was for the most part filmed and done by much of the same crew at pinewood studios UK

4. Really bad stupid stuff found it's way into the films that you look at and say "that's stupid" and you know you are meant to laugh but it is not funny the original trilogy used characters relationships for comedic moments not slapstick that is really poorly done slapstick

5. CGI was employed on a large scale to promote George lucas's company ILM over the traditional techniques used for filmaking in 1977 - 1983 for the most part because the technology was not available in this time period but more could have been done with miniatures and models and make up and creature fx to help bridge the gap between the two trilogies

The aim of this thread is to perceive and try to imagine a prequel trilogy that feels like it was filmed before the original trilogy keeps a continuous style drawing upon the era from the 60's to the 80's and lowering the budget of the prequel trilogy to bring it back down to earth and stop it feeling like a cartoon film and become more of a movie like the original star wars trilogy.

anything goes but It can be anything from techniques used in this era of the original trilogy from retro plot styles retro sounds and retro visual influence or even modern but done in a retro style.

Please draw upon movies, art. culture and ideas and ideals from the 60's 70's and 80's and try to incorporate them into what we know of the prequel trilogy to at least bridge that gap and try to make them feel a bit similar in fasion and like they were filmed before or around the same time as the original trilogy

Post art mock ups, small film edits, sound files or any concepts you feel would bring the prequel trilogy into a more retro style similar to the original trilogy