RogueLeader

I’d argue anyone making sock accounts is not acting like an adult.

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orchidal said:

wonder if anyone is willing to do Ben Solo: a Star Wars Story focusing on and constructed around mainly Kylo/Ben’s scenes (and scenes which pertain to him less directly for context’s sake) from existing ST footage once all 3 films are available on Blu. Could be a lean/interesting beast of a film, free of subplots.

This would be an interesting idea! I have had this idea of doing a stylized 3-in-1 edit following Rey’s journey, and rescoring the film with music from Ennio Morricone, Nino Rota, and others. Seeing a Kylo-centric version would be cool to see too.

Geez. I didn’t remember the homophobic comments…

You don’t see him in the trailer!

Dude, Ian McDiarmid’s still got it! I feel like a lot (not all) of skeptical fans will let go of their apprehension as soon as they see/hear the Emperor. The Emperor is tied to our childhoods, regardless if you are an OT kid or a PT kid, and seeing him, back from the dead, will feel scary and thrilling. I think reading leaks vs the feeling of those characters on screen will lead to different opinions.

I was sort of skeptical about them bringing back Palpatine, but hearing him talk to Kylo Ren, it feels so right to me. Hard to explain.

Did you like it? Seems like people who’ve listened to it think it’s the best of the trilogy.

It’s so nice to hear from you Bingowings!!

I like the idea of the ROTS Death Star having the equator dish like the original plans had it. Having the Death Star II actually be the original prototype is a cool idea I hadn’t really thought of before.

Yeah, they had the baby do an incredible feat, but at least the writer’s stressed the effort it took to do so by having him knocked out for a day.

It’s definitely interesting going back through and reading all the ideas over the years. This is probably one of the longest running threads besides Ady’s.

You could take a cue from ROTS, the balcony scene wipes from the balcony to a black screen, and then the dream fades in, then as the dream ends it hard cuts to Anakin waking up.

Adding onto this, it looks like spoilers from people who have seen preview screenings are starting to show up, so if any of you want to avoid leaks it might be a good idea to take a vacation from online forums until you see the movie!

Some interesting ideas! Depending on how you play with transitioning from shot for shot, you might also consider that there is a shot of Luke placing his hand on R2 from the second TFA teaser that doesn’t have that rain transition like the final film does. I could picture you using lines like, Kylo: The map… Han It’s just a piece… Kylo: You’ve seen it. During this you could show a shot of R2. Han: went looking for the first Jedi temple… [show the island, the tree] “He walked away from it all.” The Han dialogue could also tie into Kylo mentioning him during the interrogation as well.

I do worry about making the dream too elaborate which could make it feel out of place in the movie. I imagined something briefer, like a shot of the island and a shot of the tree. I also felt when you cut to this scene, you start with the dream first and we don’t see Rey until she wakes up suddenly. So something like, “Tell us all you know.” cut to black. Fade in on island. The simplest thing might be to start with her entering frame looking at the tree, and cutting when she is reaching for the books. Simple and mysterious.

You may just have to bounce this one around a little. I’ll have to think some more on it.

DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

NeverarGreat said:

RogueLeader said:

It is still a child. I don’t think it translates
1:1 with human aging, but this species has a particularly long infancy-early childhood stage.

There might be something unique to the Yoda species regarding Force sensitivity, but it’s already been established in canon that Force-sensitive babies in general have a predisposition to using the Force, regardless of species. The idea being, I’m assuming, that babies and young children lack some of the qualities that adults have that can hold back their ability to use the Force (like doubt or disbelief). And it is possible that the time he spends in this young childhood stage plays a part in why he can lift a mudhorn vs a toy ball.

This exactly. There’s a lot of evidence from the movies (especially the prequels) which points to early training as extremely important in developing skill in the Force, and I think you’re right that it has to do with the lack of a rigid experiential framework present in adults. So if the Yoda species has this super long developmental period, it stands to reason that most of the members of this species would gain some Force abilities. I imagine it could be something like 50% or more of the species would have this ability into adulthood, while for humans that percentage would be far less because of how rapidly they progress through infancy. Of course, I doubt that baby Yoda could really control the Force or plan to use it in advance.

There’s also the angle of hereditary Force sensitivity, and it may be that Yoda’s species is essentially just one family, that is if their method of reproduction is different enough to avoid the effects of inbreeding.

It’s an interesting question.

It really is! I think it highlights the uniqueness of the Force as a “magic system”. Yoda’s ESB philosophy that stresses faith and belief clearly has a fantasy leaning, but the idea of the Force “being strong” in a family has a more scientific, genetic angle.

I definitely like the idea that a baby might be especially sensitive because they are free of inhibitions. A lot of people complain but it makes sense that the Jedi would snap up babies for training (and why it would be hard for someone’s Luke’s age to learn). It’s like learning a language.

That’s a great comparison actually! At an old job my boss told me sometimes it is easier to train a new person than a person with experience, because the person with experience will have their own certain way of doing things that might be hard for them to unlearn. Which is exactly what Yoda says to Luke, “You must unlearn what you have learned.”

Personally, the speculation is all well and good but I hope they don’t try to explain it too much. The Force works in mysterious ways and always should.

Although, the power of a bloodline is a mythic trope as well. I know there is a lot of examples in legends, but are there many examples in canon where we see Force-sensitive bloodlines? I believe the protagonist in the new novel Force Collector has a grandfather who was a Jedi, but that is all I can think of currently. Could the connection between Force powers and bloodline be less common than we think?

Well if you think about it, the Jedi are supposed to be celibate so hypothetically the bloodline thing shouldn’t really be much of a thing in the universe.

I totally agree. I don’t want it to be explained, but I do want it to be explored. I want Jedi and Sith to have contradictory views on the Force. I would like to see the Force treated like real religions with various interpretations, without one necessarily being singled out as “the right one”.

There could be a lot of reasons why the Jedi practice celibacy. The main reason being attachment. It’s possible that the child of a Jedi isn’t necessarily any more likely to also be a Jedi (or more gifted) than a normal child. I could also see there being a fear of dynasty, whether that has to do with literal power regarding their bloodline, or just the consolidation of power under a family name and the attachment that comes with having power and a family. I could see their being an interesting Old Republic story that deals with the implications of a Jedi dynasty.

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orchidal said:

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Wow… face melting and demonic with fangs. Wonder what that could be.

Somebody feeds the porgs after midnight!

Definitely sounds like Palpatine teaching a new tier dark side.

I like the movie as-is, too, but it is fun to think about the what if’s sometimes! I also am excited about the Cassian show. I hope we hear something about it at next year’s celebration.

Yo, don’t mention the leaks outside the spoiler thread.

Those are great ideas! Honestly it would be nice to call Benecio’s character “The Codebreaker” rather than just DJ, too. I love your idea for Rose too, because 1) it would help people empathize with Rose more, and 2) we could spend some time on those beautiful streets instead of just speeding by them like in the movie.

I like that idea for Snoke, though I wonder if he’ll get mentioned at all in IX.

Hey, I’m glad you enjoyed my post! I do like your ideas too. I feel like a lot of people would’ve liked if they had emphasized the spy stuff more than they did in the final film.

I know the sleeper agent Finn is sort of campy, but I do feel like that idea would keep the focus on Finn as a character and see how he confronts his own shadow. I know Nando v Movies did a video where he suggested making Rose the spy, which would’ve be been surprising. Alternatively, you could have it just be DJ.

I do think keeping his story on the Raddus could be less visually interesting, but in ANH, one of the big three set pieces was the Death Star, so having the three set pieces of TLJ be Ach-To, Raddus/Supremacy, and Crait would fit in that frame. And then not being able to jump away makes the feeling of them being trapped more serious. I do like the idea you had of them jumping from planet to planet only for the First Order to show up not long after. It would also allow for the audience to actually see more of the state of the galaxy as well. If you had that idea, and also kept their mission to Canto Bight, I think juxtaposition of the frightened allies being attacked by the First Order and the care-free aristocrats on Crait stand out even more.

TavorX said:

A case could be made is that perhaps downsizing the main crew would had helped certain characters have more character moments. Nix Bodhi and Baze. Chirrut indeed was one of the better ones in that movie and I would had liked him to expand on his views about the Force/supposed Church of the Force. Baze, I assume, was meant to be representative of a refugee due to Imperial invasion of his home planet (based off the trailer). Instead he’s more of a tag along friend of Chirrut. Bodhi serves more like a plot device than a character.
Ideally, Rogue One could had shined with this angle:
Jyn is unmoved about the tales of Jedi/the Force, perhaps a skeptic initially.
Cassian does believe in those tales, and fights for the hope of making those old tales a reality.
Chirrut embodies that the Force is indeed real for Jyn and inspires her to realize it’s no longer just about helping her father but the vital importance of the Rebellion’s resilience. Also gives Cassian peace, even in sacrifice, that the Jedi may overthrow the Empire.

It gives clash to Jyn and Cassian in the beginning because their end goal is the same, but motivations may be off, which may cause misunderstandings/disagreements and then eventual acceptance/understanding towards the end.

K-2SO would remain unchanged.

I think they wanted to go for a “team” feel, but this would’ve definitely allowed for the audience to get to know the characters that were kept better than we did. I also could picture some fun interactions between K2-SO and Chirrut. You could’ve cut Bodhi and just have it where Saw’s Partisans intercepted some kind of important message/data before the Alliance could, so they need Jyn to help them find the Partisans and negotiate with Saw in order to learn the contents of that message, something they believe may be important to stopping the Empire.

Instead of getting captured on Jeddha, Chirrut could be the one that takes them to Saw, maybe after Jyn does something that proves her good intentions to Chirrut. Hell, you could even have Saw survive and replace Baze as the “heavy” of the mission, if you didn’t want Forrest Whittaker to just be a cameo.

NeverarGreat said:

RogueLeader said:

It is still a child. I don’t think it translates
1:1 with human aging, but this species has a particularly long infancy-early childhood stage.

There might be something unique to the Yoda species regarding Force sensitivity, but it’s already been established in canon that Force-sensitive babies in general have a predisposition to using the Force, regardless of species. The idea being, I’m assuming, that babies and young children lack some of the qualities that adults have that can hold back their ability to use the Force (like doubt or disbelief). And it is possible that the time he spends in this young childhood stage plays a part in why he can lift a mudhorn vs a toy ball.

This exactly. There’s a lot of evidence from the movies (especially the prequels) which points to early training as extremely important in developing skill in the Force, and I think you’re right that it has to do with the lack of a rigid experiential framework present in adults. So if the Yoda species has this super long developmental period, it stands to reason that most of the members of this species would gain some Force abilities. I imagine it could be something like 50% or more of the species would have this ability into adulthood, while for humans that percentage would be far less because of how rapidly they progress through infancy. Of course, I doubt that baby Yoda could really control the Force or plan to use it in advance.

There’s also the angle of hereditary Force sensitivity, and it may be that Yoda’s species is essentially just one family, that is if their method of reproduction is different enough to avoid the effects of inbreeding.

It’s an interesting question.

It really is! I think it highlights the uniqueness of the Force as a “magic system”. Yoda’s ESB philosophy that stresses faith and belief clearly has a fantasy leaning, but the idea of the Force “being strong” in a family has a more scientific, genetic angle.

Although, the power of a bloodline is a mythic trope as well. I know there is a lot of examples in legends, but are there many examples in canon where we see Force-sensitive bloodlines? I believe the protagonist in the new novel Force Collector has a grandfather who was a Jedi, but that is all I can think of currently. Could the connection between Force powers and bloodline be less common than we think?

Sifo Dyas said:

RogueLeader said:

It is still a child. I don’t think it translates
1:1 with human aging, but this species has a particularly long infancy-early childhood stage.

There might be something unique to the Yoda species regarding Force sensitivity, but it’s already been established in canon that Force-sensitive babies in general have a predisposition to using the Force, regardless of species. The idea being, I’m assuming, that babies and young children lack some of the qualities that adults have that can hold back their ability to use the Force (like doubt or disbelief). And it is possible that the time he spends in this young childhood stage plays a part in why he can lift a mudhorn vs a toy ball.

You say that Luke could not stop and levitate the Rancor because he did not believe he can do it? Despite that Yoda taught him the opposite?
And what about Anakin and Obi-wan? They could not stop the charging monsters either.
And if this babyYoda is so much stronger, then how come that no Jedi ever sensed it’s presence in the Force, nor did Palpatine who sensed a seemingly much weaker Luke.

I mean, Yoda tells Luke that “size matters not”, and the difference between lifting a rock and a ship was “only different in your mind”. So what is the difference between a ship and a rancor?

It is still a child. I don’t think it translates
1:1 with human aging, but this species has a particularly long infancy-early childhood stage.

There might be something unique to the Yoda species regarding Force sensitivity, but it’s already been established in canon that Force-sensitive babies in general have a predisposition to using the Force, regardless of species. The idea being, I’m assuming, that babies and young children lack some of the qualities that adults have that can hold back their ability to use the Force (like doubt or disbelief). And it is possible that the time he spends in this young childhood stage plays a part in why he can lift a mudhorn vs a toy ball.

It definitely raises an interesting question regarding the legality of it all. I agree with you that under current fan editing rules, if you proved you have a subscription to the relevant streaming service, that would prove that you have purchased that product/service in a similar vein as owning a physical copy of the movie/show of the fan edit, and in effect not taking away from their revenue. But yeah, it is a flimsy gray area regardless.

I Ike it! I think it works better as an almost blinding light rather a very clear, properly exposed explosion. I did notice some flickering on the bottom a little.