RogueLeader

I agree, simply changing the dialogue at least keeps his motivations more ambiguous.

Joonas did say that? Super interesting, there are so many lost deleted scenes throughout these films that I wish they would put on the saga home collection…

Bouncing back to the epilogue, I had another weird idea. The Sequel Trilogy didn’t want to touch politics with a 10-foot pole, but if we can insert a character into a new shot and make it look good, we might be able to create one new sequence to address it.

What if we made Lando the new Chancellor of the Republic?

It might seem out of left field at first, but think about it. He’s probably one of the most well-traveled and experienced characters still kicking. He has experience with the underworld during his gambling days, he has leadership experience from when he was the Administrator of Cloud City, and he has military experience during his time as a Rebellion General. Not to mention he is the war hero that destroyed the Second Death Star. Lando has a knack for moving up the professional ladder.

A part of me had hoped Leia might survive Episode IX because ruling the Republic always felt like a natural progression for her, but since she is gone, I could see Lando feeling a sense of responsibility to rebuild the Republic she cared so much about and ensure they don’t repeat the same mistakes that led to the First Order.

As far as implementing this idea, I think it would just be a matter of inserting a decent shot of Lando either into the Senate chambers or the Chancellor’s office. Maybe create a shot of him sitting down or looking out the window.

The biggest thing I wish I could figure out as far as conclusions is regarding Finn and the Stormtroopers. I had a rather ambitious idea previously, but I just don’t see a practical idea involving reformed Stormtroopers outside of shooting new footage.

We have Jannah and her people, but they don’t visibly look like Stormtroopers and Finn has no role in recruiting them, really. The only other thought I had is you could cut Jannah’s line, “He said you were the last hope” to imply that they are friendly, but not a part of the Resistance. Then, when Finn and Jannah are talking, offscreen Finn could say, “We have to fight” (taken from TLJ), then Jannah and Finn could look at each other before cutting to the next scene. So now Finn recruits the rogue Stormtroopers to rise against the First Order.

Anyway, sorry for bombarding this thread with my ramblings. I’m a lot of talk lately but not a lot of show.

Speaking of the ending, note these two pieces that are supposedly from the end of the film.

I don’t know if these images are the artist’s idea or interpreted from how Colin described it in the script, but this was clearly meant to mirror the opening of The Force Awakens when the camera is on an extreme close up of BB-8’s eye. That would’ve been a nice way to bookend the trilogy.

God, I hope so.

Thinking more on how to end the political situation, I really do feel that if you make an edit where Ben Solo lives, you have to find a way to imply reunification between the First Order and the Resistance into a new, New Republic, or whatever. The First Order should see Ben Solo as Supreme Leader regardless if he has turned to the light, unless their entire leadership revolts. Sure, General Pryde takes over at least one Resurgent and the Sith Fleet at the end, but there is no indication that he now controls the entire First Order.

If Ben Solo lives, I think it is logical that he would use his authority to make the First Order surrender. I’ve mentioned this several times, I think this idea of “healing wounds” could be seen as a central theme of Episode IX, so healing the wound of Republic by uniting the two sides feels like a natural progression of that idea.

So the first idea that pops into my mind is that you could alter the Star Destroyer montage at the end so that the ships are leaving the occupied worlds rather than crashing down. And we don’t really see what is causing these ships to crash (we see one ship is kamikazed, but that’s it). So you could keep that same montage, but have the ships fly away and have some kind of VO of a First Order officer saying that they have orders to surrender straight from the Supreme Leader himself.

I mentioned earlier the idea about having the Tantive IV fly to Coruscant in the epilogue. Maybe we could see Star Destroyer’s in orbit of Coruscant, but now they could have blue stripes and the New Republic insignia on their hulls, similar to the Venators in the Clone Wars. Now, I do think you can make the argument that the Imperial/First Order iconography needs to be purged if the war is over, but I do think their needs to be some kind of visual symbolism of synthesis, or the integration of the shadow. I feel emphasizing this kind of conclusion would differentiate the conclusion of this trilogy from the ending of ROTJ, where they just blow the enemy up. This war could end peacefully, and Ben Solo, if he is alive, could do that.

New leaked concept images for The Duel of the Fates.

EC Henry has a great video on this topic.

TL;DW It doesn’t necessarily contradict anything shown or stated in the movies.

NeverarGreat said:

RogueLeader said:

Thanks Idir!! I was wondering where that photo came from.

The Exegol set looks quiet different without it being so blue. I would love to see someone that has a knack with color grading do something more interesting color-wise with Exegol.

I prefer the neutral lighting of the sets to the grading in the film almost without exception. They look almost like real places before the unnatural colors are applied.

Do you think it would be possible to color correct at all? It just seems to blue to do that…

Just wanted to share some more ideas on an extended epilogue for the film.

I’ve mentioned this before, but I think it would be cool to get a brief epilogue that shows what the main characters are up to after their celebration at the Resistance base. I think having three brief sequences (including Tatooine) would be fitting.

I’ve thrown out some more ambitious ideas before but I’m going to try to suggest something a little simpler. I think they are doable because members on here have already done similar shots, one way or another.

The first sequence would pan down like ANH to a lush green world, antithetical to Tatooine. The Falcon flies overhead. We cut to the surface and see Chewbacca looking at a hut in the trees as we hear Wookiee roars in the distance. This is Kashyyyk, and Chewie has family come home. (This would likely be one of the more difficult shots to make, but I think the best option would be to get some high quality plates from the Kashyyyk map from Battlefront 2) Coming home after a war is a pretty standard trope for war movies, and if anyone deserves to go home after decades of fighting it is Chewie. Since Han, Leia and Luke have all passed away, I think it would be nice to see Chewie go home and have a happily ever after. Then we could get a shot of the Falcon flying away from Kashyyyk, similar to this shot by Petrovelly. This would probably be one of the harder sequences to make it feel seamless, but I think it would be a fitting way to end Chewie’s story.

Then we wipe to a shot of the Tantive IV flying toward Coruscant. If the previous sequence repeats the opening of ANH, we won’t repeat it here. Instead, we could repeat the opening shot from TPM. The Tantive IV could fly toward Coruscant and we could PAN LEFT following it to the planet. Again, Petrovelly has made a nice shot using a Tantive IV model, and we could implement something similar. We cut to inside the ship, and get a shot of Poe and Finn sitting inside. We could mask them out of different shots from the movies and place them here, similar to what snooker has done before in this test shot she did of Leia for a ROTJ edit she was working on back in 2018. (Hope you don’t mind me resharing it, snooker!)

This technique could also be used for Chewie on Kashyyyk. As for the Finn and Poe scene, the idea is rather simple, but it could imply they are going to Coruscant to start helping reestablish the Republic, and right the wrongs of the First Order. I originally had an idea of a shot also including a First Order Star Destroyer, but I can’t find any good models online for a resurgent. At least we know there are decent models of the Falcon and the Tantive IV. If the scene was too vague, maybe some comm voice over could be added to the cockpit to infer some kind of conclusion to the political story. Maybe the First Order has surrendered on order of the Supreme Leader, something like that.

I also had an idea of having R2 and 3PO be with Rey at the end on Tatooine, but if that proved to be too difficult, having them be on roaming the corridor of the Tantive IV might be a good place for their story to end as well, back where they started. You could even have a similar line where 3PO could mention that this place looks familiar, if you could find a line that fits with that idea. You could either reuse footage from the end of ROTS or from ANH, or insert TROS R2 and 3PO into Tantive IV corridor shots.

Then, of course, you end with a version of the Tatooine scene. I suppose this is still rather ambitious, but the techniques needed to create all of these shots have already been done before my members on this forum, so I think it is doable.

Thanks Idir!! I was wondering where that photo came from.

The Exegol set looks quiet different without it being so blue. I would love to see someone that has a knack with color grading do something more interesting color-wise with Exegol.

I’ve heard people mention Joonas hinting a scene that got cut, and this would fit the bill (of course it could be something else). The fact that they built the set makes me believe it was filmed.

If I were to play deleted scene bingo, I would say we are more likely to get this scene than the Oracle scene. I feel like this scene would contradict the narrative of the final film less than the Oracle scene likely did. Trying not to get my hopes up either, considering none of the deleted scenes we’ve ever gotten have been that amazing, and these both sound great.

Stumbled across an interesting find today. Someone tweeted two photos today related to TROS. One photo is of JJ on a set from production that seems to have been cut from the final film, and the second photo is a piece of concept art similar to that set depicting a scene where Kylo interrogates a captive Chewbacca. The similarities between the set and the room seem to indicate that a scene between Kylo and Chewbacca was actually filmed. Hopefully if this is true, we’ll get this deleted scene on the home release.

Ironically Hello Greedo posted a video about this very topic.

Sorry if I missed it or forgot, so is Yoda not in the film at all?

“Yoda never shows up to these get-togethers so I don’t know why we keep inviting him.”

I think the fact the score floats around 50-60% on several sites would make you think that in the long run, opinions will be more split on TROS than TLJ. At least they seem to be more consistent, outside the RT audience score.

From what I understand, the Old Republic has existed in some form for a thousand generations, 25,000 years. I’m sure it has changed a lot, grown and shrunk, survived countless wars and conflicts. But the fall of the Old Republic basically was the near or total collapse of the Republic a thousand years ago, coinciding with the “destruction” of the Sith. After that war was over, the Republic was reformed (in Legends it was known as the Ruusan Reformation), which led to the creation of the Galactic Republic we see in the OT.

Based on the time period, you could say the “High Republic Era” was the golden age of the Republic. A Pax Republica. It’s the High Republic because it was the Republic at its best. I guess as conflicts have begun to arisen again leading up to the films, people saw the High Republic Era as over.

I’m reading that this guy was just pretending to be a stunt man involved on Star Wars projects but that isn’t the case. He was “faking”, apparently, but still not sure.

I would say either option 1 or 2. I also wonder if it would be clearer if you replaced the last word in each with ‘reward’.

Two of them, and a droid. The resistance has no business here officer, unless they have a price on their head.

It’s a resistance shuttle alright, probably here to stir up some trouble, officer. Could be worth a good bounty!

Really? I mean it definitely sounds like it. I would say a perfect place to put it would be during the father chase, but you cut that, didn’t you?

And you cut BB-8 on the AT-ST too, right?

It would definitely be better to put it over a moment of levity, rather than a scene that is meant to be taken kind of seriously.

I don’t really think this is feasible, but I feel like the movie would’ve had better momentum if Rey didn’t stop and get a pep talk from Luke before going to Exegol. If Rey had her vision in the Death Star, almost killed Kylo and pushed Finn, then took Kylo’s ship and went straight to Exegol alone, I feel like the tension would be a lot higher. Rey throughout the whole film has slowly been tapping into that dark side more and more, so what if the Rey vs Kylo battle on the Death Star had been like a turning point where Kylo started on the path toward the light, and Rey started descending into darkness. Rey has slowly became more isolated and hopeless, and she feels like all is lost until she realizes Ben came for her on Exegol.

Obviously this would create some issues, like losing the only scene with Luke, creating a continuity issue with Rey flying a different ship to and from Exegol, as well as having no explanation for where Leia’s saber came from. I obviously like the message of the Luke scene, but I feel like we would’ve been more worried for Rey if she had went straight to Palpatine instead.

He’s right, it’s a system we can’t afford to lose.

I was going to say earlier that it must be weird for you to see one of your old posts be bumped up after 16 years.

Haha, it reminds me back when I made that Saga Continuity Thread and it was starting to feel like a committee-made fan editing project! Not exactly my intention. But yeah, I’m going to have an edit where Ben Solo lives regardless, but I think it would be cool if multiple editors worked together to make an alternative epilogue, and that is one of the things I wanted to accomplish.

Unfortunately I think the epilogue is going to have to do a lot of the heavy lifting for the film, since we can only do so much with the main body of the film. But to me, having a better epilogue can go a long way to make the film have a more satisfying ending for the audience, and also leave a lot to the imagination. I guess I would like for it to be where someone could watch this fan made ending and it leaves them wondering about the future adventures these characters will go on. Which is why I want to give people a better taste of how the war concludes or carries on, and what happens to Finn, Poe, Chewie, 3PO and R2, and finally Rey and Ben. Where do their stories go after the celebration?

The version looks nice! Just spitballing, but I’ve been thinking about how Anakin and Obi’s convo could be altered to remove the Empire.

You would have to cut to Obi-Wan checking Padme a little earlier since Anakin starts saying, “I have brought peace, yada yada” in the wide. You might can reverse the insert shot of Obi so he continues down to touch her face, then in the Anakin CU we just see him raising up.
If you could somehow splice the shot of Anakin staring toward camera in the foreground and Obi in the background, as Obi raises up into view you could have Anakin say, “Don’t make me kill you.”
(If you managed to do this, I think it could be useful to keep, “I see through the lies of the Jedi, I do not fear the dark side as you do.” In order to fill the quiet space as Obi checks Padme. It could still work with just some silence though.)
Then you cut to the shot looking over Anakin’s shoulder and have Obi say, “Anakin, face up to what you’ve done!”
Then it cuts to just Obi, and we hear Anakin say, “If you’re not with me…”, which Obi replies with, “I will do what I must.”

If you could manage this, it could be useful to have Anakin still be focused on Padme somewhat, so you could keep, “You will not take her from me!” line.

Technically there is a wilhelm scream, but just not one in the traditional sense. Speaking of which, did you guys hear one in TROS?