RogueLeader

Are you talking about Star Wars: Resistance?

Hal 9000 said:

NFB, if you could find those that’d be very helpful. I’d love to be able to spin it in that direction. The official explanation is just so farfetched. Smuggling spare junk doesn’t lead to the largest fleet in history that exactly replicates an old Star Destroyer model.

Agreed. This is also one the biggest things I would like to change. Sith Fleet, Sith Eternal, Final Order. There’s way too much verbiage regarding it.

During Poe’s first mission briefing, there are tons of Resistance reaction shots that can be used to alter his dialogue. I was thinking you could change a part of his dialogue to something like this:

The Emperor has been planning his revenge for years. He and his followers have been hiding in the Unknown Regions, with the largest fleet the galaxy has ever known. Relics from a bygone era.

Hal 9000 said:

Not really needed, but I think it’d be cool to change 3PO’s interaction with the troopers. (“That’s not even a language!”) He should just haplessly be trying to find protocol to attend to, not necessarily aware that the troopers are hostile.

Is it possible isolate the dialogue from any the Clone Wars episodes? There is this scene from The Clone Wars where 3PO is trying to bargain for some fruit. You could dialogue like:

“Excuse me, fine sir, but do you by any chance have Chewie?”

“How much would Chewie cost?”

“May I please purchase Chewie?”

“Very well, 32, but not one credit more!”

I also wonder if he should be so eager to be in a laser battle? He’s not programmed for battle, so it might make more sense for him to be a little uncomfortable with the action.

It’s kinda like what Pearce said on your TFA thread. “Think smarter, not harder”.

After I first saw the movie, I felt like radical edits we’re necessary in order to make some of the changes I felt this film needed. I was even suggesting filming new scenes. But after looking through the film, and seeing what others have accomplished just with quick and dirty edits, I realized a lot of the changes I wanted to see we’re actually more tangible than I thought.

If it came from there then I apologize, I thought it was from one of the Paxis leaks.

I think the member that is working on it might want to see if the changes work before they share anything on one of the main threads.

EDIT: I also apologize for being cryptic. A few weeks ago I felt really pessimistic about fixing the problems I had with the film, but after rewatching the movie and sharing some ideas and tests with different members, I feel a lot more confident that fixing some of the major issues with the movie is actually doable. I know I talk a lot about ideas I have on here, but just speaking for myself, I think it might be fun if I wait until I have something to show for them! I’d rather give y’all pleasant surprises than false expectations.

NFBisms said:

what about a tank of Reys

Lol. Didn’t see this until now. Brilliant.

Hal 9000 said:

Eh… I don’t really imagine removing it. It’s… fine. I buy JJ intended that to be gently hinted at in TFA, but TLJ dropped it without a trace. So… this might be a reasonable split of the difference. I’m glad they didn’t have him using telekinetic powers or anything, though. Just… feelings.

Apparently he originally was going to use the Force to help open that hatch on the Star Destroyer, but that was changed.

nl0428 said:

RogueLeader said:

nl0428 said:

I think it’d also be best if we remove Finn trying to tell Rey that secret of his, that being his Force abilities. It’s never resolved/answered at all.

Might not be right for Ascendant, but another member is working on a clever way to reuse those scenes for a different context. Maybe they will share it soon! Hopefully it will work.

Not sure what the new context would be. Making it seem that he’s into her seems wrong seeing where their story lines went.

It’s not that!

Hal 9000 said:

It’s present in my ProRes master file. So, rather than going through several hoops to get the source fresh, I just did a crappy shape mask to copy a different portion of the frame. Looks seamless, and took hardly any time at all.

I like to call this laziness efficiency.

nl0428 said:

I think it’d also be best if we remove Finn trying to tell Rey that secret of his, that being his Force abilities. It’s never resolved/answered at all.

Might not be right for Ascendant, but another member is working on a clever way to reuse those scenes for a different context. Maybe they will share it soon! Hopefully it will work.

Also, I think there is a structural necessity in having Finn be there to see Rey leave, so they know she actually left the planet. Though as long as they see her leave that is okay. But Rey pushing Finn arguably contributes to her fear of hurting the people she cares about, like Chewie and BB-8.

NeverarGreat said:

Since it was Snoke who turned Kylo evil (presumably through voices in his head) and since Sheev says that he’s been every voice in Kylo’s head, I assumed that they were trying to have Sheev be responsible for turning Kylo. Whether or not Sheev is directly controlling Snoke or in spiritual possession of an otherwise lifeless meat puppet, the point is that Sheev is Snoke in every way that matters.

Very true. If Palpatine was directly linked to Snoke, whether he be his master or he literally controlled Snoke, I still think you could conclude that Palpatine was responsible for having Snoke turn Ben. I guess the most direct way to do that is by having Palpatine literally control Snoke, or create him for that very purpose.

DominicCobb said:

I think Palpatine clones would be fun, although it might raise questions in regards to Palpatine’s appearance. I think RL probably presents the absolute simplest solution to get rid the Snoke puppet idea - just cut out “you have ever heard.”

This was something I was thinking about too. Visually, it looks like it is Palpatine’s undead body. Although, Ian doesn’t really put the make up on until he drains Rey and Ben’s life force…
this is one of those things that I think people would assume, based off looking at him, that he’s just inhabiting his undead corpse.
Maybe if you created that shot of the Palpatine clones, you could insert that “More than a clone, less than a man” line over it. If the clones were in different states of decay, maybe it could help imply the clones decay rapidly.

I guess I prefer the cloning option because I don’t like the idea that they somehow recovered his body from the Death Star! On the other hand, if they had to recover his charred corpse from the wreckage of the Death Star in order to bring him back to life, then seeing his body explode at the end of the film might feel more like a definitive death for Palpatine.
Still think I prefer the cloning idea though.

EDIT: The cloning pods could contain random body parts, to imply they basically Frankenstein’d what was left of his dead body.

DOUBLE EDIT: Actually, the “more of a clone, less than a man” line would fit really well with that idea. He’s more than a clone, because there’s still parts of him that are his original body, but he’s less than a man because so much of him are cloned parts held together by technology.

It’s the voice line that makes it seem that way to me, more so than the “I made Snoke” line. I would agree with your impression just based off that, but the fact he says he was every voice in his head, including Snoke, makes me thing that Snoke was only a vessel that Palpatine spoke through.

But I guess that is what bugs me about the movie/novelization. It doesn’t really make anything clear. Palpatine made Snoke, but was he his puppet or his servant? Did Snoke know he was serving Palpatine? Was Palpatine a corpse or a clone? Did Palpatine FUCK, or was his son a test tube baby? It feels afraid to give a concise answer, so it leaves everything ambiguous.

I guess that is why I like the idea of Palpatine clones in the vats instead of Snoke, because it gives you a visual answer as to how he is back. Not just a Dominic spitballing ideas to the audience. I guess I like that in the same way I like Snoke being trained by Palpatine. It lets Snoke keep his agency, but still makes him a pawn of Palpatine. So, you could make that voice line just be, “[Palpatine voice] I have been every voice [Vader voice] inside your head.”

You could leave it as-is, too. But like I said, Snoke being his own character with his own goals makes Kylo killing him in TLJ more satisfying, IMO. It doesn’t have to be that way though of course.

I didn’t feel like I jumped to that conclusion. I honestly felt like the film was inferring that.

But maybe my interpretation is an outlier. I would like to hear how other people interpreted all of that.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that if we get several varying interpretations, then maybe it would be worth clarifying in a fan edit. That’s all.

If you just watch the movie, and don’t read outside material. The only context you get is:

• Palpatine literally made Snoke.
• He has multiple clones of Snoke.
• He says he’s been EVERY voice in Kylo’s head, and even says it in Snoke’s voice. It didn’t seem like he meant it figuratively.

I mean, you could’ve argued “I made Snoke” was figurative, like he helped Snoke become the powerful Supreme Leader, but then we see literal vats of Snoke’s.

I think the novelization takes a different direction than the movie implies in a few places. Like Palpatine himself. The state of his body makes you think that is Palpatine’s actual body, with the dead eyes and the broken, stitched together hands. Using a giant mechanical apparatus to try and keep what’s left of him alive. But then the novel says it is a clone body.

I don’t know. It just seems like instead of picking one explanation for anything, they vaguely hinted at multiple explanations so the audience could fill in the gaps themselves. I don’t know if that was a benefit or a detriment.

EDIT: I don’t necessarily have strong feelings either way about Snoke or Palpatine, but I think it would be worth trying to provide a little clarification regarding them, and I think trying to determine the simplest explanation might be the best way to do it. As of now, it is all too vague to me.

idir_hh said:

Yeah it takes away too much agency from Kylo, instead of “I made Snoke”, he could say “I trained Snoke”

That could be a simple change actually!

DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

Thanks for sharing. At first I really liked the idea that Snoke was some kind of homunculus controlled by Palpatine, but I really don’t like the idea that killing Snoke was actually some sort of test for Kylo. The more I think about it the more I feel like Snoke being Palpatine’s apprentice would’ve been a much simpler explanation.

Who was Snoke a clone of? Was he a clone or a creation? Did Palpatine control him directly? Or was he given false memories?

I don’t know. I just think Snoke would’ve worked better if he had his own agency, rather than basically being Palpatine speaking through a puppet body.

I still don’t get this. Saying he was a test kinda implies he wasn’t a puppet, no? To me it sounds like Palpatine made Snoke and sent him out to do his bidding but knew if Kylo was as powerful as he could be he would overthrow the inferior Snoke. That’s how it all reads to me at least.

The line, “I have been every voice you’ve ever heard inside your head” with Snoke being one of the voices, implies to me that Palpatine was Snoke.

Thanks for sharing. At first I really liked the idea that Snoke was some kind of homunculus controlled by Palpatine, but I really don’t like the idea that killing Snoke was actually some sort of test for Kylo. The more I think about it the more I feel like Snoke being Palpatine’s apprentice would’ve been a much simpler explanation.

Who was Snoke a clone of? Was he a clone or a creation? Did Palpatine control him directly? Or was he given false memories?

I don’t know. I just think Snoke would’ve worked better if he had his own agency, rather than basically being Palpatine speaking through a puppet body.

Not really trying to start a discussion on the ideas behind those lines, but I wonder if you cut out Rey’s “And I…” dramatic pause might help improve the moment a little.

Battlefront has alien dialogue for that species.

Luke is taunting Kylo in order to get him angry, and overlook the illusion. After Luke wipes his shoulder, you can see how Kylo goes from shock to resolve. He’s gonna go down there and finish Luke, regardless of what anyone says. I get why you feel it isn’t serious enough, but I feel it is appropriate for the moment. But that’s poppa’s choice!

I think you could recut it to remove those last few shots. And you could end it with Ren just staring out the window.

idir_hh said:

Your welcome guys, it’s not a lot of footage but it could help out here and there. That last shot is a little nod at the kind of ending I have in my mind 😏

I know exactly what you mean, idir! I have a feeling we will get that kind of ending to work.

As far as that extra material, there’s definitely a few shots that I think could work well for some of the vision flashes, like Dark Rey lifting her head to reveal her face.

It would require some vfx work but the extra shots of Luke and Leia training would be cool to use.

Is that full sequence of Rey sitting and then grabbing oil to help with D-0’s squeaky wheel in the movie? I remember her using it on him, but I don’t recall her sitting down and then getting up to grab it. If you cropped that shot to remove that stick, or key it out, that would give you a bit extra breathing room for that scene.

Hey! That’s not a bad idea! I recall there being another version of that shot in one of the visions. Also, it could be a great way to recontextualize why Rey saw that ship in her TFA vision, too.

You could do that! But the last shot on Pasaana is Kylo watching them run toward Ochi’s ship. So you could cut from that, to Rey looking at her hand on the Falcon.

That might actually work though! Perhaps if you needed to smooth the transition, you could do a J cut to have Rey‘s dialogue start before we cut away from Kylo. You could also have engine sounds in the background to make it seem like Poe is off-screen flying them away from Pasaana. Then we would get that establishing shot after they’ve found a place to hide.

Are you looking for a specific tv spot, Dom?

Regarding how to handle postponing the reveal that Chewie is alive, could you
not just splice the two scenes in Ochi’s ship? You could just keep the shot of the TIE fighters hauling in the Millenium Falcon, then wipe back to the gang on Ochi’s ship.

Alternatively, you could order the scenes like this:
Chewie is presumably killed.
Est. of Ochi’s ship hiding in asteroid field.
Poe, Finn and Rey decide to go to Kijimi.
They leave the asteroid field, with the Knights of Ren on their tail.
Finn and Rey talk about what happened [remove BB-8 insert].
BB-8 reactivates D-O and brings him to Rey.

It might be weird because Rey is quiet in the first scene, but then still shaken with tears on her face in the second.

Or, you could just use the Falcon being hauled in, plus the brief scene of Kylo in the hallway where Palpatine communes with him. But you could change the context of that scene, too.